NO tobe = fakers W

[cranrab]

posting twice 1am in the morning

uh, white boy, you DO know that made your post after 1 a.m. too, right?

actually, i'm changing my to because your simple ass doesn't know that BGOL boards default to EST in thread mode...

i should've known...

so that means BY DEFAULT that any time i responded to your fruity nonsense would HAVE TO BE past 1 a.m.

tranny alert on the sports board, y'all!

 

[Havoc]

wow. i knew fakers fans were DUMB, but who knew they had such short memories too?

so the fakers and jazz split at each others' house. BIG DEAL. you DO remember just 6 short days ago that the jazz defeated the fakers, right?



as for the "1st place" jazz, are you talking about the same team that has lost 3 of it's last 4 games? all by more than 10 points each game?

since you've revealed to us that your entire basketball universe revolves around tobe, i'll provide you with some insight into the utah jazz: they're losing because euro andrei kirilenko has returned to the starting lineup.

FACT, not fiction.

I'm sure you've explained it before because I can recall asking you about it. But I'm sure you won't mind (you never do) sharing something as simple as an explanation as to why you dislike "Euros" so much. Is it all of them? Is it just the ones in the NBA? How about the European League? Are they hated by cranrab, too?

 

[Havoc]

THIS SEASON before tobe:

fakers are 2-0

O averages 112 points per game

D averages 102 points allowed per game

the fakers won 1 game at home, and 1 game on the road

the fakers shot 50.2% FGAs.

THIS SEASON after tobe:

fakers are 2-2 (WORSE)

O averages 101 points per game (WORSE by 11 points)

D averages 104.5 points allowed per game (WORSE by 2.5 points)

the fakers won 2 games at home, and lost 2 games on the road (WORSE)

the fakers shot 49.2% FGAs (WORSE by 1%)

i think it's fair to say that tobe has a tremendous NEGATIVE impact on the fakers.

let's take a closer look:

fakers without tobe averaged 42.5 FGM and 84.5 FGA per game

fakers with tobe averaged 34.75 FGM and 70.5 FGA per game

THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT TOBE IS HAVING A DETRIMENTAL CHILLING EFFECT ON HIS FAKERS TEAMMATES. when tobe plays, the fakers average 14 FEWER FGAs per game as a team, and average 7.75 FEWER FGM per game as a team.



FOOTNOTE: before some fanboy attempts to argue fiction over fact, let me add that the fakers current win-loss record has been compiled against the hapless WORSTern conference.

current w/l % of faker opponents before tobe: .333
current w/l % of faker opponents after tobe: .400

All of this is bullshit, and we'll see as the season progresses that this time is in fact better than the Lakers we saw last year, and the ones the year before.

 

[cranrab]

I'm sure you've explained it before because I can recall asking you about it.

most recently, i gave a pretty thorough explanation in response to a member named "neo". use the SEARCH function on this board and i'm sure you'll find it without problem. it's no more than a couple weeks old at most.

But I'm sure you won't mind (you never do) sharing something as simple as an explanation as to why you dislike "Euros" so much.

you're correct. i never have a problem sharing the TRUTH.

Is it all of them?

in general, yes. oddly enough, i had a lot of respect for andrei kirilenko's energy and the "intangibles" that he brought to the court BEFORE his injuries. his effort plays, hustle plays, and help D were qualities rarely found in european players. however, his injuries over the past several months have hindered his mobility and athleticism, which negatively impact his performance.

Is it just the ones in the NBA? How about the European League? Are they hated by cranrab, too?

find that other post. you'll have your answer and the reason why.

and how about you? do you admire the euro style of basketball? if yes, why?

 

[cranrab]

All of this is bullshit

bullshit as in UNTRUE? if that's your contention, then you are WRONG.

or bullshit as in due to the size of the sample, the conclusions are unreliable based on the correct but insufficient (in your opinion) data?

we'll see as the season progresses that this time is in fact better than the Lakers we saw last year, and the ones the year before.

i respect your optimism. can you clarify your predictions?

are you predicting that the fakers will end the regular season with a better record than both of the previous two seasons?

are you predicting that the fakers will advance farther into the playoffs than last season?

and perhaps most importantly, are you suggesting that if both of the predictions above are correct, that the improvements will be PRIMARILY due to the contributions of tobe?

thanks in advance for clearing that up. i'll bookmark this thread so we can revisit it in 2007.

 

[Complex]

Why don't you just bump your post from last year and save yourself the typing. You keep typing the same shit over and over.

 

[cranrab]

Why don't you just bump your post from last year and save yourself the typing. You keep typing the same shit over and over.

i'm sorry. did you cut and paste that from last year too?

 

[cranrab]

THIS SEASON before tobe:

fakers are 2-0

O averages 112 points per game

D averages 102 points allowed per game

the fakers won 1 game at home, and 1 game on the road

the fakers shot 50.2% FGAs.

where you at, queer 'TWON-TIME? or was it WANT-ME?

3.56 glorious american basketball fakers games without tobe. correction. 3.56 UNDEFEATED fakers games without tobe.

what happened tonight?

balanced scoring - FIVE fakers in double digit scoring

unselfish play - THREE fakers with at least SIX assists

efficient shot selection - 55.7%

defense - held atlanta under 100 points

ELEVEN point margin of victory, fakers won going away, controlling the 2nd half all the way...



pops collar, lights cigar...

SCIENCE, bitches...

 

[xfactor]

That's not a surprise the lakers took care of business without Wobe in the lineup.

I believe that that victory took Lamar Odom's record to 10-9 in games he plays but Wobe doesnt.

What are your thoughts on the lakers against the Spurs tonight on NBA TV? Is LA finally ready to make the leap and challenge one of the Western Conference's elite teams? They have played well at home this year.

Also what do you think about Jordan Farmar? In the games I've seen he's been playing solid basketball.

 

[cranrab]

What are your thoughts on the lakers against the Spurs tonight on NBA TV? Is LA finally ready to make the leap and challenge one of the Western Conference's elite teams? They have played well at home this year.

against a healthy spurs squad, i think the fakers have little or no chance of winning. it would be the experience and execution of the spurs where i would give them the nod.

Also what do you think about Jordan Farmar? In the games I've seen he's been playing solid basketball.

most definitely. i was/am very hard on PUSSific 10 players, so i didn't expect to see the level of consistency and contribution that he has provided. so far, i give him a thumbs up for a rookie.

i think A LOT of attention needs to be paid to maurice evans.

let's see what happens.

 

[cranrab]

against a healthy spurs squad, i think the fakers have little or no chance of winning. it would be the experience and execution of the spurs where i would give them the nod.

let me be the first to say that I was incorrect.

I had NO idea that coach popavich would put the TO machine of beno udrih and manu ginobili on the floor at the same time. that combination was lethal in Q3 and sank the spurs for good.

so much has changed for the spurs. oberto at C? elson as backup C?

michael finley STARTING at the 2?

beno udrih and manu ginobili at the same time? what happened to brent barry in the rotation with the 2nd squad?

oh well. congratulations to the fakers. they showed some poise holding off the Q4 run of the spurs. the spurs hurt themselves slightly down the stretch by being unable to make their FTs.

 

[xfactor]

let me be the first to say that I was incorrect.

I had NO idea that coach popavich would put the TO machine of beno udrih and manu ginobili on the floor at the same time. that combination was lethal in Q3 and sank the spurs for good.

so much has changed for the spurs. oberto at C? elson as backup C?

michael finley STARTING at the 2?

beno udrih and manu ginobili at the same time? what happened to brent barry in the rotation with the 2nd squad?

oh well. congratulations to the fakers. they showed some poise holding off the Q4 run of the spurs. the spurs hurt themselves slightly down the stretch by being unable to make their FTs.

Oberto, Elson, and Udrih shouldnt even be in the league, let alone getting minutes for a championship contending team

I like the improved play of Andrew Bynum and Kwame Brown in the post. Both made some aggressive moves with the ball on offense. Lamar Odom is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Bryant is much more effective in a controlled game but is anyone surprised that he always seems to "spaz out" in key moments in the game (jacking a couple of shots and having a key TO trying to force a pass between two defenders).

They're 14-5 now but chance are they'll be 14-8 in their next 3 games. I think they'll get murdered on their upcoming road trip.

 

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Fuck outta here its KOBE HATIN ASS BITCHES!!!



And hate it with all ur heart hate that

 

[cranrab]

Charles Barkley my favorite NBA personality bashing the greatest (yeah I said it) greatest player in our game today

ESCO,

in your own words, if you are capable, please explain why you believe tobe to be the "greatest player in our game today." what measures are you using to reach your conclusion?

BTW, why are you spamming the board with your myspace page?

 

[cranrab]

in your own words, if you are capable, please explain why you believe tobe to be the "greatest player in our game today." what measures are you using to reach your conclusion?

SPORTS board participants,

a member sent me a PM with his/her response. i will acknowledge his/her request to keep his/her comments anonymous by not revealing the name of the person, but for purposes of furthering our discussion, i will share the basketball related points s/he made:

Kobe has been on the all defensive team, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd 7 times since he has been a pro

let's clean that up a bit for you.

tobe has made the all defense 1st team FOUR times since 1997
tobe has made the all defense 2nd team TWO times since 1997

SINCE TOBE BECAME A STARTER, there have been 2 seasons where tobe hasn't made the all defense 1st or 2nd squad. IN TOTAL, there have been 4 season where tobe hasn't made the all defense 1st or 2nd squad.

in comparison to a TRULY remarkable player like tim duncan, tobe PALES IN COMPARISON in this regard.

tim duncan has made the all defense 1st team SIX times since 1998
tim duncan has made the all defense 2nd team THREE times since 1998

SINCE TIM DUNCAN BECAME A STARTER, there have been ZERO seasons where tim duncan hasn't made the all defense 1st or 2nd squad. ZERO.

furthermore, tim duncan has more CONSECUTIVE 1st team all defense squads (FIVE) than tobe has in total.

so, BY YOUR OWN MEASURE, tobe is not superior to, and not even comparable to, tim duncan.

BTW, if D is your yard stick, how many defensive player of the year awards has tobe won?

ZERO.

funny, but gary payton, ron artest, dikembe mutombo, ben wallace, alonzo mourning have all won more than tobe.

and finally, let me explain something to you:

AWARDS are SUBJECTIVE measures. why don't you provide a REAL LIFE evidence of tobe's ability? because you can't/don't really understand basketball?

 

[cranrab]

remedial class

AWARDS are SUBJECTIVE measures. why don't you provide a REAL LIFE evidence of tobe's ability? because you can't/don't really understand basketball?

here's proof and an example so you can start making intelligent basketball points.

EXAMPLE:

tobe was voted to the all defense 1st team in 2003.

PROOF of SUBJECTIVITY:

in 2003, the san antonio spurs eliminated the fakers 4-2 in the WORSTern conference semis.

during that series, tobe matched up against starter bruce bowen and his substitute euro ginobili.

during the regular season, bruce bowen averaged 7.1 PPG.
during the series against the fakers, bruce bowen averaged 11.16 PPG

during the regular season, euro ginobili averaged 7.6 PPG.
during the series against the fakers, euro ginobili averaged 11.6 PPG

both players increased their scoring average IN A PLAYOFF SERIES BY MORE THAN 150%

doesn't sound like an all defense 1st team player to me.

want more? OK

during the regular season, bruce bowen averaged .7 ORG.
during the series against the fakers, bruce bowen averaged .83 ORG.

during the regular season, euro ginobili averaged .7 ORG.
during the series against the fakers, euro ginobili averaged 1.16 ORG.

both players increased their OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING average IN A PLAYOFF SERIES because tobe wanted to leak out and cherry pick.

doesn't sound like an all defense 1st team player to me.

so tobe couldn't decrease his opponents' productivity during a playoff series. what about his own?

during the regular season, tobe averaged 2.2 steals per game.
during the series against the spurs, tobe averaged 1 steal per game.

during the regular season, tobe averaged .8 blocked shots per game.
during the series against the spurs, tobe averaged .16 blocked shots per game.

tobe's STEALS and BLOCKED SHOTS dramatically declined IN A PLAYOFF SERIES.

doesn't sound like an all defense 1st team player to me.

 

[hanginbals]