I'm dying to get this guy's book. Both of them
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News Flash Obama: No such thing as non-combat troops
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I heard this guy interviewed last week on NPR. Pretty damn good interview and he made some really interesting points, not all I agree with.
I don't get why he saying Obama's war will be longer than Bush's. This is still the shit Bush started.
And this guy reads a lot of tea leaves because he doesn't know what will happen 3 years out anymore than Obama does. Moreover, he's not in the position to make decisions on anything that will affect anything other than his own bottom line. Decisions Obama makes will affect lives.
Well, I don't want to shit on the guy because I think he is a pretty good guy and he interviews well. Definitely worth the time to hear his point of view. Good info OP.
-VG
I don't get why he saying Obama's war will be longer than Bush's. This is still the shit Bush started.
And this guy reads a lot of tea leaves because he doesn't know what will happen 3 years out anymore than Obama does. Moreover, he's not in the position to make decisions on anything that will affect anything other than his own bottom line. Decisions Obama makes will affect lives.
Well, I don't want to shit on the guy because I think he is a pretty good guy and he interviews well. Definitely worth the time to hear his point of view. Good info OP.
-VG
You're really pissing me off with this retarded, childish bullshit of yours.
The democrats voted for the war. It's not all Bush's fault.
I swear, dumbasses like you are incapable of looking at the possibilities of the worst case scenarios.
Obama is a politician and the president... not a fucking messiah. Get that through your thick skull, knucklehead.
Am I supposed to give a fuck that you're getting pissed off? I'm just sick of you white man loving coons. You lust after Ron Paul, now these fake ass liberal cynical crackas spark your interest like he's saying something new. You pseudo intellectual profit of doom ass uncle tom pussy niggas make me sick.
I never said Obama was the messiah or savior but I'm sick of you whining bitch ass niggas crying about him even if he's only been in office for less than 100 fucking days, after taking over the worse fucking president in American history. YOU seem to be the ones thinking he's jesus like he can change shit over night. Give the man a chance you bitch ass minstrel. Fuck off and fuck your post. I hate you white man worshiping bitch niggas.
Uh-huh, so because he hasn't been in office for 100 days that absolves him of any criticism?
Lame. People who react based on emotions always discredit useful ideas and constructive criticisms espoused by others.
based on your title you came in here with an agenda.
News Flash Obama:
what I hate is when you disagree with Obama it's cool and you get cosigned. Any time you agree with Obama you get labeled as following the Messiah.
Democrats voted on the war, sure, but neo-Cons said (and Conservatives cosigned) there were nuclear and biological weapons there and that we were in imminent danger.
grow the fuck up.
This is not Obama's war. Let the man end the shit in the safest way possible to protect our troops and the Iraqi's who still want us there.
If somethings not a good idea then say that, if you have an alternative then say that, but coming in here to bash Obama with every reply, on a war that is not his, is the equivalent of coonin for the Repubs that started the shit.
News Flash Obama:
what I hate is when you disagree with Obama it's cool and you get cosigned. Any time you agree with Obama you get labeled as following the Messiah.
Democrats voted on the war, sure, but neo-Cons said (and Conservatives cosigned) there were nuclear and biological weapons there and that we were in imminent danger.
grow the fuck up.
This is not Obama's war. Let the man end the shit in the safest way possible to protect our troops and the Iraqi's who still want us there.
If somethings not a good idea then say that, if you have an alternative then say that, but coming in here to bash Obama with every reply, on a war that is not his, is the equivalent of coonin for the Repubs that started the shit.
AS I recall, Bush had the attitude if "you're with us or against" not just to the democrats but to the world using terror and scare tactics to fool the democratic congress to vote. The man had a 6 year honeymoon with Repubs and passed everything without any protests.
You're agenda is noted, provide proper criticisms and not just to knock him down. The man inherits a whole lot of mess and frankly i don't want to be in his shoes. Provide alternative ideas that are new and not the same rhetoric of the past. I will evaluate him after 100 days just like any employee after 90 days until then he is working harder than any prez in his first 35 days since the 1900s.
He is following military advisers who recommended this tactic and signed on by Gates...
For a dude with lot of posts, you sound like you never been here before.
Still, it's early... criticizing him for war issues just doesn't fly right now. Wars, just or injust, yours or not yours, are not something to be handled in a rushed manner.
And by the way, don't forget that democrats, and the nation as a whole, was lied to by the neo-cons...
Everyone has an agenda of some sorts. Irrelevant.
Sir, this can work an either direction. You know, very well, that if you criticize Obama on this board, you get called a coon, or white. If you cosign Obama, than you're smart. Irrelevant point, here.
So, what? This does not absolve the democrats from the mistake for voting on the war. If the democrats were so responsible, they would have been more like Obama when he objected to the war.
This is Obama's responsibility, now. He already tried hoodwink us into thinking that 50,000 combat troops are not combat troops in order to give the impression that the war really will end. That's shaky. So, what? Obama just sent 20,000 troops to Afghanistan. End a war and continue another while spending billions of dollars to do it when our economy is in the tank.
That is exactly what I did when I posted this video. How could you not see that? This was not Obama bashing. This was constructive criticism. I don't believe I ever named called you.
And you just contradicted yourself. You're agenda is obvious. You want to call someone a coon. That's all anyone ever does when President Obama gets criticized around here.
Poorly constructed argument, I'm sorry to say.
Oh, come on. Sending 20,000 troops to Afghanistan and criticizing him for it doesn't fly?
The problem with these politicians is that they don't understand that the people over there hate us because we're over there.
Who created Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden?
How about this for an alternative idea: Start pulling all of the troops out of Iraq/Afghanistan NOW.
Hasn't anyone noticed the pattern started by the Bush regime? "Oh, we will downsize... Oh, we will pull the troops out by _________" (insert elusive calendar date here).
Obama never really had any intent on withdrawing troops unless it was to send them somewhere else to fight some mystical threat. He knew that it was a sensitive issue so he put the carrot on a stick and told ya'll what you wanted to hear during his campaign.
Now that he's in, you find that the withdrawal date has been pushed back.
And forget waiting 100 days to evaluate ANYTHING! I evaluate on a day by day basis. What if your "employee" was stealing from company funds? You gonna wait 100 days before you confront him about it?
so do you know what the situation on the ground before you jumped to conclusions? Do you think its that easy to pull troops overnight?
Are u a military expert? No
So practically he doing what the commanders suggested!
There are mission for troops that are considered non combat. Combat is a most of the time reserved as a way to describe state of the mission. If you are an US military person there a numerous states of readiness. Combat is just one. Dudes need to get off POTUS Obama's dick.
Practically and Politically speaking he can't just pull all the troops out immediately, it would leave a power vacuum that would be disastrous. That's just Politics 101.
It has nothing to do with who's in office.
And the withdrawal date has been pushed back a whole three months....Pretty Dramatic.
And Obama always said during the campaign he would withdraw the troops from Iraq and end the war there, which he's doing. And send troops to Afghanistan, which he's doing.
Although he's not sending as many as the Generals wanted (he's sending 17,000 and they wanted 30,000) primarily because they couldn't give him a straight answer when he wanted to know what the troops' mission would be in that country.
Forget all that... Why are we over there? We don't have to pull troops overnight, I understand that logistics are involved. But we can start NOW.
And don't sleep, I may know more about the military than you think.
Are you sure he's doing what the "commanders" suggested?
Or is he following the agenda of someone else? Because basically he's doing the same as those in the Bush regime: Give a fake date for pullout, then when the day comes, give another.
The truth of the matter is: THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THAT REGION.
The thread starter was just trying to open your eyes that there is no such thing as "non-combat" troops. I don't care if a person in the military is a sniper, general, janitor, or a cook. There is a reason why all military go through basic training...
Yes, it would leave a power vacuum. In other words the U.S. would no longer have power in that region. So why do we need power in that area?
I agree it has nothing to do with who's in office, because Presidents like Obama and Bush are not making these decisions, someone else is and it ain't the military commanders either.
This not the first time a timetable has been given for troop withdrawal. Obama is not doing anything new here.
So why are we in Iraq and shifting to Afghanistan? To fight al-CIAda? Who is so important in Afghanistan that Obama is willing to withdraw troops to beef up that region?
Has everyone forgotten that we have no legitimate business being in that area in the first place?
Damn, the fuck happened to you? I thought you wanted to open a dialog of back and forth. Turns out you only want to sell books and chastise those who disagree with you. I should have spoke to the topic tittle like I started to; seeing it was the real reason you came here.
That's a foul way of doing business.
-VG
funny how someone who looks like he was never in the fucking military knows so much about it by reading...there is such a thing as a non-combat troop....medics, engineers, supply clerks, admin clerks, mechanics, military police.......they don't PROACTIVELY engage in combat......this dude is an assclown!
Are you not aware of the irrelevancy of Dr. Truth's posts? Even in my chastising, I was pointing at the fact of other people's (Dr. Truth's) unwillingness to look at other possibilities of worst case scenarios.Damn, the fuck happened to you? I thought you wanted to open a dialog of back and forth. Turns out you only want to sell books and chastise those who disagree with you. I should have spoke to the topic tittle like I started to; seeing it was the real reason you came here.
That's a foul way of doing business.
-VG
Don't see how that was close-minded at all. Actually, the opposite, since I was tearing at this idea of close-minded "fuck that cracka" responses that are so prevalent on here, which add absolutely nothing to the discussion.
How would you like it if someone came in your thread and tried to steal it away from you by trying to create a race-bating, anti-white thread, instead of an actual discussion? Would you not point that out, or just let that get out of hand?
Another note: the title of the thread was direct quote from the video.
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Adds nothing to the discussion and, again, a plea to get this thread into a "CAC" bashing wasteland.
You know, I'm not posing these types of threads here anymore.
Mr
We don't need to hear you're dying to buy this guy's books. Just go buy 'em. But I'm betting you won't spend a dime on either book. More than likely you're just an "Ima" advocate. Ima do this; Ima do that.
How is this not all but obvious? BUSH came in office with the intent to go to war with Iraq and eventually Iran. HE started this war. There are no other "possibilities". There is EVIDENCE to support this and his own cabinet members have confirmed it.
You can't use the worst case scenerio as a guide to how to handle foreign affairs.
Most of the democrats who supported the war on September 12th 2001 no longer support the war. Only "Bushie" Republicans are on this "finish the job" shit.
The war is coming to an end because the U.S. can't afford it. Its that plain and simple. Unless you've got 10 billion a month to spare, it HAS to end. After 8 years of propaganda and fear-mongering, Barack is just trying to get the country re-focused on what's important - US. The U.S. doesn't have the money to be on some "world police" bullshit right now. WE ARE BROKE and in the hole.
By the way, Afghanistan is where the real terrorists are. That was the case from the beginning - BUSH went to war with the wrong country. President Obama is just trying to pick up the pieces.
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Re: Mr
Are you really that desperate for attention so as to come in a thread, ignore it, and just pull some insult out of left field?
And this is relevant to the thread how?We don't need to hear you're dying to buy this guy's books. Just go buy 'em. But I'm betting you won't spend a dime on either book. More than likely you're just an "Ima" advocate. Ima do this; Ima do that.
Are you really that desperate for attention so as to come in a thread, ignore it, and just pull some insult out of left field?
Um . . . guys when you win the election, YOU INHERIT THE LAST GUYS WAR. That's how it's ALWAYS been. Guess what? Richard Nixon inherited LBJ's VIETNAM. Now, when we think of Vietnam, who do we think of ? Nixon, of course. He aint start it, but he did finish it.
That's kind of how things have always been.
Nigga, fuck you. I criticized Bush BEFORE he was president, and I'm gonna criticize this nigga, while he's president, because HE'S THE PRESIDENT.
It IS his war, just like every president inherits the Last guy's war. Ever hear of VIETNAM?
That's a lie. Why do you think Osama Bin Laden and them are mad at us? Because there are U.S troops in Saudi Arabia, which is considered "sacred" by those people. As long as you have U.S. Troops in the Arab world, you're going to have problems.
So. . . they're NOT going to have guns? Is that what you think? You think there's going to be 50,000 sitting ducks just sitting around in Iraq waiting to be blown up?
Get real man.
Yeah, that's right because anybody who doesn't agree with something Obama does is a Cracka Ass Cracka who wishes John McCain would have won. Bush, Cheney, and Condoleeza were criticized roundly by the ENTIRE WORLD for 8 years, because they sucked. Unless you're talking about Alan Keyes ass niggas, I don't know nobody who didn't say shit when them niggaz were in office. People were burning them in effigy EVERYDAY around the world.
Get the fuck outta here. That's tired as fuck. I disagreed with Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush II. I've more than been critical of every motherfucker who's ever run this country. Fuck all you Obama worshiping clowns who think that every Black person has to agree with EVERYTHING the guy does, just because he's the first Black president.
Nigga, my grandmama could be president, and I'd talk about her too.
Most of you niggaz probably didn't even waste the energy to protest the war. I did. I was out there on March 21, 2003, while y'all niggaz were probably jackin' off on BGOL.
^ Now THAT is a response!
Another thing I noticed about this whole "CAC" phenomenon. This is essentially fear-mongering. I don't know if any of you have noticed this, but whenever Obama is criticized, there's an immediate attempt at fear-mongering by accusing the criticizer of being a racist in order to get him, or her to be silent and, therefore, end criticism.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who has noticed this. Respond to this by quoting it and saying something like "Fuck You, CAC!!!!!" if you will, but know this: you are an uneducated fear-mongering agent. An Obama-ized continuation of the Bush fear-mongers.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who has noticed this. Respond to this by quoting it and saying something like "Fuck You, CAC!!!!!" if you will, but know this: you are an uneducated fear-mongering agent. An Obama-ized continuation of the Bush fear-mongers.
the iraqis have wanted the US out for years. last opinion poll I saw was 80% for withdrawal and that included the kurds!
obama has those generals saying he can keep troops in to keep control but its not gonna happen. the us will be run out once iraqis think they have the upper hand. then they will do oil deals with china.
as for afghanistan its a fiasco in the making. and yes obama gets responsibility for what happens since he's ramping it up.
obama has those generals saying he can keep troops in to keep control but its not gonna happen. the us will be run out once iraqis think they have the upper hand. then they will do oil deals with china.
as for afghanistan its a fiasco in the making. and yes obama gets responsibility for what happens since he's ramping it up.
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