Netflix says it will kill the DVD

[Andros the magician]

Fam., what are you talking about? This shit was already tried last year by Timer Warner. I'm not talking make believe. Yes it got smacked down, but the shit ain't dead. Other ISPs looked at that model and saw straight dollar signs. While I respect how you see it, I think you're wrong.

I too work in the technology field for a major company. My brother also works for a major ISP and he's hearing the same thing. This metered shit is being talked about RIGHT NOW and is on the table. Will it happen? From what I understand there is more than a 50 percent chance that it will. There's just to much money for it not to happen sooner or later.

From a business perspective, I can see why ISPs would want to do it. ISPs are in business to make money. I'm not saying all of them will roll with this model, but if enough money is being made many will fall in line. Some people won't like it, but many will, ESPECIALLY if they are not a heavy user of the internet. Why would someone that consumes less than 10gb a month want to pay the same as someone using 60gb or 70gb a month?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/03/att-metered-internet.html

http://gigaom.com/video/will-internet-tv-be-a-victim-of-bandwidth-caps/

http://abovethecrowd.com/2010/04/28/affiliate-fees-make-the-world-go-round/

Never happen.

50% chance it will happen? I'm not trying to insult, but you make yourself look dumb when you through out numbers like they are facts.

As I said before, at most, some companies may start offering this as a option alongside normal plans. Time Warner was doing that nonsense because the company was hurting. I have several friends that live in the Austin area, including my dad. I'm fully aware of why they tried it and how they failed. Again, they attempted it because they were hurting for money and wanted a option outside of raising their rates. This is not or was not a plan held by half, most, or all communication companies. Why do you think it failed? People started canceling by the 100's weekly.

This will never become a ongoing must do plan for all companies. At most, it may be come a option for some companies focusing on low internet users alongside normal plans.

 

[MindHunter II]

I would pay the $20/mo for unlimited streams if they updated they library to match even 60-70% of they dvd selection

Same here... I wouldn't mind that... I downgraded to the stream only... shit I don't watch the dvd's they send anyway.

 

[216]

This is what I'm talking about.

Time Warner tried to roll out this pricing model last year for internet access.

5 GB: $29.99/month
10 GB: $39.99/month
20 GB: $49.99/month
40 GB: $54.90/ month
100 GB: ?

Each household chooses one of five cap levels, ranging from 5 GB/month to 100 GB/month. Pricing resembles that of cell phone plans: Those who use the most broadband pay the highest amount and those who exceed their allotment are charged a fee—in this case, $1 for every excess GB.

Yeah, it got smacked down, but there's to much money in it for most ISPs not to eventually move to this model.

How many devices does the average household have that allow for network connectivity? How many households have multiple people downloading gigs of stuff monthly? The average modern household with 2 adults and 2 teens at the 40 GB a month cap will smash through that in a couple of weeks if they're not careful. Now add to that two or three people steaming HD movies over the course of a month and the bandwidth usage adds up quick.

Netflix ain't streaming movies because it cares about the consumer and want to save us money... they're doing it because it's going to save them a ton of money (i.e. packaging, mailing fees, DVD costs, etc.). It's the consumer that may see increased expenses in the form of having to upgrade their internet tier package to accommodate increased bandwidth usage from streaming movies and TV shows. If shit don't change and ISPs don't move to this model, then both Netflix and the consumer win. If what I've been told, by people that know, is true... heads better get ready.

Real talk...I don't know why ppl don't see this coming.

 

[crossovernegro]

I just hope they work on getting more of their titles available for streaming/on-demand viewing. probably 7 times out of 10, when I go looking for a flick to watch online, it's not available. Cool service... they just gotta improve upon that though.

 

[Alumni]

Never happen.

50% chance it will happen? I'm not trying to insult, but you make yourself look dumb when you through out numbers like they are facts.

As I said before, at most, some companies may start offering this as a option alongside normal plans. Time Warner was doing that nonsense because the company was hurting. I have several friends that live in the Austin area, including my dad. I'm fully aware of why they tried it and how they failed. Again, they attempted it because they were hurting for money and wanted a option outside of raising their rates. This is not or was not a plan held by half, most, or all communication companies. Why do you think it failed? People started canceling by the 100's weekly.

This will never become a ongoing must do plan for all companies. At most, it may be come a option for some companies focusing on low internet users alongside normal plans.

No offense taken. You aren't in any of our meetings --hell, maybe you are for all I know. BGOL heads seem to be everywhere-- and I am. In light of that revelation, I'm not asking for your co-signature on what's being talked about in them. I'm not here to make you a believer. I gave my informed opinion as well as some links that spoke to the fact this pricing model is still under consideration by ISPs. I've done my part. You've looked at what I've had to offer and deemed it lacking. Cool. That's your choice. We'll see who's right sooner or later and BGOL will be here to clown one of us behind it.

Be easy fam.

 

[Damn Right]

just changed my plan to streaming only today......

i woulda BEEN done it but the problem is some new movies aren't streamed right away. some BRAND new movies comes on dvd, then available for streaming like weeks and sometimes months later. makes no sense

 

[Flawless]

Never happen.

50% chance it will happen? I'm not trying to insult, but you make yourself look dumb when you through out numbers like they are facts.

As I said before, at most, some companies may start offering this as a option alongside normal plans. Time Warner was doing that nonsense because the company was hurting. I have several friends that live in the Austin area, including my dad. I'm fully aware of why they tried it and how they failed. Again, they attempted it because they were hurting for money and wanted a option outside of raising their rates. This is not or was not a plan held by half, most, or all communication companies. Why do you think it failed? People started canceling by the 100's weekly.

This will never become a ongoing must do plan for all companies. At most, it may be come a option for some companies focusing on low internet users alongside normal plans.

dude you forgetting where u live and that sarah palin could be our next president. Never underestimate the dumb shit the public will accept.

 

[divine]

Fam., please reread what I typed. I said they tried. I also said it got smacked down after they rolled it out last year.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2009/tc20090331_726397.htm

So if it got smacked down why are trying to pretend this is coming soon?

 

[BGcruiser]

WDTV media player killed my DVD player.

Mine too! Now, I seldom use my Blu-Ray DVD player!

 

[Mr chase]

What about the picture quality of live streams?

 

[The Technician]

I love netflix streaming, but I'm keeping my DVD plan until they improve their streaming library. Most of the stuff I check is still only DVD.

 

[MadWun]

What about the picture quality of live streams?

The quality is superb and they even have HD versions of some movies.

I just downgraded my plan to streaming only.

I haven't used my DVD player in a while, and I even packed away all my movies a while back.

Streaming is sweet: I have my Netfix account on my PS3, and 360, can watch from my PC if I want to, and also from my iPhone4. It gets no better!!!

 

[Playboi]

I love netflix streaming, but I'm keeping my DVD plan until they improve their streaming library. Most of the stuff I check is still only DVD.

exactly...don't know how these "stream-only" cheap bastards do it...RIGHT NOW.

 

[MadWun]

This is what I'm talking about.

Time Warner tried to roll out this pricing model last year for internet access.

5 GB: $29.99/month
10 GB: $39.99/month
20 GB: $49.99/month
40 GB: $54.90/ month
100 GB: ?

Each household chooses one of five cap levels, ranging from 5 GB/month to 100 GB/month. Pricing resembles that of cell phone plans: Those who use the most broadband pay the highest amount and those who exceed their allotment are charged a fee—in this case, $1 for every excess GB.

Yeah, it got smacked down, but there's to much money in it for most ISPs not to eventually move to this model.

How many devices does the average household have that allow for network connectivity? How many households have multiple people downloading gigs of stuff monthly? The average modern household with 2 adults and 2 teens at the 40 GB a month cap will smash through that in a couple of weeks if they're not careful. Now add to that two or three people steaming HD movies over the course of a month and the bandwidth usage adds up quick.

Netflix ain't streaming movies because it cares about the consumer and want to save us money... they're doing it because it's going to save them a ton of money (i.e. packaging, mailing fees, DVD costs, etc.). It's the consumer that may see increased expenses in the form of having to upgrade their internet tier package to accommodate increased bandwidth usage from streaming movies and TV shows. If shit don't change and ISPs don't move to this model, then both Netflix and the consumer win. If what I've been told, by people that know, is true... heads better get ready.

I hope that bitch ass ISPs do not come out with a tiered internet plan.

I recently found out that Comcast has a limit of 250gb a month. I average about 110gb monthly right now

Apart from that, there was a report that Netflix and other streaming, accounts for 20% of internet bandwidth during peak prime time hours. Let's hope that the ISPs do not bitch up and try to pull some shit like what Time Warner tried to pull.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Haha so you think ISP's are going to swap to a broadband cap plan?

No, it will never happen. Any company stupid enough to try this, will lose a big hunk of business. Who in their right mind would go to a company with a plan like that?

It will never, ever happen.

Dude, it's ALREADY HAPPENED WITH CELL PHONES!!!

Both Verizon and at&t now have tiered pricing for new customers, Sprint, T-Mobile and Metro PCS don't (but for how much longer?).

And 40 Gigs for a family of 4???

Like Alumni said, they will blow thru that in weeks, probably even sooner with HD programming coming down the pike!

 

[MadWun]

exactly...don't know how these "stream-only" cheap bastards do it...RIGHT NOW.

It's not about being cheap. I can speak for myself, I have other "sources" I get movies from other than Netflix.

I had the 1 DVD at a time plan, but I NEVER watched any of the DVDs that got sent to the house. It sat on the shelf till I placed it back in the mail.

I agree that Netflix needs to improve the Instant Queue selection, but I do not rely on Netflix to watch new movies anyways

 

[veritech]

lol how can this fool still be smiling

 

[MadWun]

Nah...Do you know how many Blockbuster stored have closed down?

Shit the one by me was replaced by a fucking machine, basically over 10+ jobs gone, and replaced by a machine.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Never happen.

50% chance it will happen? I'm not trying to insult, but you make yourself look dumb when you through out numbers like they are facts.

As I said before, at most, some companies may start offering this as a option alongside normal plans. Time Warner was doing that nonsense because the company was hurting. I have several friends that live in the Austin area, including my dad. I'm fully aware of why they tried it and how they failed. Again, they attempted it because they were hurting for money and wanted a option outside of raising their rates. This is not or was not a plan held by half, most, or all communication companies. Why do you think it failed? People started canceling by the 100's weekly.

This will never become a ongoing must do plan for all companies. At most, it may be come a option for some companies focusing on low internet users alongside normal plans.

Fam, you seem to have forgotten what capitalism is all about.

I remember just a few short years ago when people said any airline stupid enough to start charging for luggage would go out of business.

How did we as consumers make out with that?

As pointed out, here in NY there are several housing complexes including condo and Co-ops that have exclusive deals with 1 provider and as pointed out in today's digital world it's becoming a necessity to be "plugged in".

All it will take is one ISP to stick to its guns and the others will follow suit, there's just too much money to be made.

What EVERY company dreams of and looks for is a way to make more $$$ from an existing situation, that my friend is capitalism 101!

It's why Jerry Jones made a side deal with Nike.

It's why there are now revolving signs in baseball stadiums behind the batter, if you can make x for 1 ad you can make x(4) for 4 ads!

 

[veritech]

Nah...Do you know how many Blockbuster stored have closed down?

Shit the one by me was replaced by a fucking machine, basically over 10+ jobs gone, and replaced by a machine.

the image i posted is blockbuster's version of netflix. you never have to go to a store.

yeah, they have had a bunch of closures. but they are making smarter moves than netflix right now. i actually cancelled my in store blockbuster account (expires today) for netflix. i am really thinking about going back for four reasons.

1. Netflix doesn't get some new releases until a month later. (Netflix negotiated this with some studios in order to improve its instant streaming catalog) But that is stupid to me. I want to see new releases. Blockbuster negotiated to get new releases on the day of release. (smart)

2. The recent price increase. I had settled on paying netflix 16.99 per month for the three out option. Now it is the same price as Blockbuster at 19.99.

3. Blurays cost 4 bux additional per month on Netflix. With Blockbuster there is no additional charge.

4. You can rent games at blockbuster and keep them as long as you like. wow.

The blockbuster I frequent isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It is one of the more popular locations so I am probably going back.

the only issue is streaming because netflix is well integrated into a number of devices. but you can still stream on blockbuster total access. it is just not as well integrated into devices right now.

if blockbuster folds then i will just go back to netflix. not a huge big deal.

 

[veritech]

Fam, you seem to have forgotten what capitalism is all about.

I remember just a few short years ago when people said any airline stupid enough to start charging for luggage would go out of business.

How did we as consumers make out with that?

As pointed out, here in NY there are several housing complexes including condo and Co-ops that have exclusive deals with 1 provider and as pointed out in today's digital world it's becoming a necessity to be "plugged in".

All it will take is one ISP to stick to its guns and the others will follow suit, there's just too much money to be made.

What EVERY company dreams of and looks for is a way to make more $$$ from an existing situation, that my friend is capitalism 101!

It's why Jerry Jones made a side deal with Nike.

It's why there are now revolving signs in baseball stadiums behind the batter, if you can make x for 1 ad you can make x(4) for 4 ads!

what you are saying is true. i just hope it does not happen. i will be hit for real.

if metered usage happens then all of us at bgol are in trouble.

 

[MadWun]

the image i posted is blockbuster's version of netflix. you never have to go to a store.

yeah, they have had a bunch of closures. but they are making smarter moves than netflix right now. i actually cancelled my in store blockbuster account (expires today) for netflix. i am really thinking about going back for four reasons.

1. Netflix doesn't get some new releases until a month later. (Netflix negotiated this with some studios in order to improve its instant streaming catalog) But that is stupid to me. I want to see new releases. Blockbuster negotiated to get new releases on the day of release. (smart)

2. The recent price increase. I had settled on paying netflix 16.99 per month for the three out option. Now it is the same price as Blockbuster at 19.99.

3. Blurays cost 4 bux additional per month on Netflix. With Blockbuster there is no additional charge.

4. You can rent games at blockbuster and keep them as long as you like. wow.

The blockbuster I frequent isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It is one of the more popular locations so I am probably going back.

the only issue is streaming because netflix is well integrated into a number of devices. but you can still stream on blockbuster total access. it is just not as well integrated into devices right now.

if blockbuster folds then i will just go back to netflix. not a huge big deal.

I used to have Blockbuster, but canceled them due to their price increases.

It was convenient to take a move to exchange in-store but when they increased their price I said fuck them.

I agree that Blockbuster has an edge with the games, and it will be a plus if Netflix could offer this too.

BB better step up their game as Netflix is killing them on the number of devices they are on.

See for me I never jumped on the whole blu-ray thing as I always knew the future will come down to streaming making DVDs/blu-ray obsolete and that is more and more evident with companies like Hulu, Apple, Netflix, Blockbuster, and even the cable companies.

 

[veritech]

I used to have Blockbuster, but canceled them due to their price increases.

It was convenient to take a move to exchange in-store but when they increased their price I said fuck them.

I agree that Blockbuster has an edge with the games, and it will be a plus if Netflix could offer this too.

BB better step up their game as Netflix is killing them on the number of devices they are on.

See for me I never jumped on the whole blu-ray thing as I always knew the future will come down to streaming making DVDs/blu-ray obsolete and that is more and more evident with companies like Hulu, Apple, Netflix, Blockbuster, and even the cable companies.

well they are the same price now.

once streaming becomes more viable with new releases i may have to re-evaluate. however, blockbuster claims to stream new releases now. device count means nothing if the company doesn't have the content. i will see.

 

[JD Walker]

Nah...Do you know how many Blockbuster stored have closed down?

Shit the one by me was replaced by a fucking machine, basically over 10+ jobs gone, and replaced by a machine.

If you live in L.A., this is a good thing.

 

[Jagi]

i still like my blu rays. my downloaded copy and my streams of watchmen for example dont compare to the blu ray copy. mind you we are talking about wanting to watch and hear it at its best. i myself dont have my downloaded media connected to my ps3 or tv. its connected to a pc in another room so i can multiroom stream. that alone downgrades the quality slightly. is it awesome? yep, equal to the blu ray? nope.

the only thing next a physical copy. is a digital purchase downloaded or ripped directly..

doesnt matter most of the time but there are days, i want to roll a blunt or use my pipe. make a really good drink, sit with family, friends or by myself and enjoy incredible quality. that's when i pull out the blu ray.

i find it hard to accept peoples opinion of quality and good enough when i see them downloading and buying poor quality movies that were not meant to be watched in low quality. especially if its visual quality is its only appeal. people were watching bootleg grey transformers movies really?

Real talk...I don't know why ppl don't see this coming.

because people feel they are entitled to paid content for free.

 

[MadWun]

i still like my blu rays. my downloaded copy and my streams of watchmen for example dont compare to the blu ray copy. mind you we are talking about wanting to watch and hear it at its best. i myself dont have my downloaded media connected to my ps3 or tv. its connected to a pc in another room so i can multiroom stream. that alone downgrades the quality slightly. is it awesome? yep, equal to the blu ray? nope.

the only thing next a physical copy. is a digital purchase downloaded or ripped directly..

doesnt matter most of the time but there are days, i want to roll a blunt or use my pipe. make a really good drink, sit with family, friends or by myself and enjoy incredible quality. that's when i pull out the blu ray.

i find it hard to accept peoples opinion of quality and good enough when i see them downloading and buying poor quality movies that were not meant to be watched in low quality. especially if its visual quality is its only appeal. people were watching bootleg grey transformers movies really?

because people feel they are entitled to paid content for free.

I get and understand your point Jagi, but unfortunately, I am not that picky (for the most part), and for most instances DVD quality is good enough for most movies for me. Of course there are those exceptional movies were you just have to watch it in blu-ray to enjoy the superior picture and audio, but even those are just a handful of movies.

 

[veritech]

i find it hard to accept peoples opinion of quality and good enough when i see them downloading and buying poor quality movies that were not meant to be watched in low quality. especially if its visual quality is its only appeal. people were watching bootleg grey transformers movies really?

cosign!

 

[Brother Blues]

DVD has long been dead in my household...

On all three floors is a WD or Seagate media player...my blu-ray and DVD players are covered with dust.Figuratively speaking...

 

[Studio718]

just another step to big brother having full access to our every living moment. watch and see.

Wow, finally...you posted a funny.

 

[Flawless]

So y'all cats dont believe in owning your own media anymore? IF this cloud bullshit keep on happenign u can kiss bootlegs goodbye, so unless you will be happy with some streaming rips this isn't a good thing

 

[kool_keef]

Do you get hi-def shit for that $7.99?

 

[peterpiper1978]

Fam., please reread what I typed. I said they tried. I also said it got smacked down after they rolled it out last year.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2009/tc20090331_726397.htm

I remember this. I was in California with time Warner. I switched to FIOS when they tried it

 

[peterpiper1978]

Do you get hi-def shit for that $7.99?

Yes, many shows and films in HD on here, many not

 

[divine]

So y'all cats dont believe in owning your own media anymore? IF this cloud bullshit keep on happenign u can kiss bootlegs goodbye, so unless you will be happy with some streaming rips this isn't a good thing

The media is just the vehicle the industry uses to distribute its content. You never "own" the movie regardless of what "media" it is delivered on. if you're worried about having a "copy" of the streamed movie.. there are ways to record the netflix stream. So I don't understand your concern.

 

[RunawaySlave]

everyone needs excellent broadband speeds to make this happen

and that's all you need to know...
key word EVERYONE (not just tech heads)