anybody saying scott pippin is overrated just starting following basketball.
NBA's 50 greatest: most overrated/underated?
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It was a Typo bitch. Hell more than Scottie would. My poin was Scottie was not as good as he was made out to be.
And I think I more than provided enough evidence to counter you "poin." I'm really not trying to be a dick about it, but you've presented nothing to back up what you're saying. I guess in the end it's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but a word of advice for the future - when you present some sort of case, you really should do better than, "Hell more than Scottie would" because a) You don't really know that and b) Michael (the man himself) said that he doubts he would have won all those championships without Scottie.
Scottie Pippen missed the first 30 or so games during the second year of the second three-peat and the Bulls were barely a .500 team. When he came back, the reeled off a double-digit winning streak immediately on their way to winning the second championship during the second three-peat.
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I agree.
I have to admit, I am utterly shocked at the number of people who listed Scottie Pippen as the most overrated. I think it's a simple case of people following the first person to say it. I really think someone should put up that list because I'm positive there is someone else on that list more deserving of the distinction. I think that most cats on here are not thinking of everyone on the list. As much as I love basketball and watched it avidly, I can't even remember more than 35 off the top of my head.
Holds NBA records for:
Assists by a forward, career (6,135)[9]
Steals by a forward, career (2,307)[10]
Steals, Playoffs, career (395)[11]
Three point field goals made, NBA Finals, game (7, shared with Kenny Smith and Ray Allen)
One of three players in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks, season (1989-90 season)
Michael Jordan performed the feat back-to-back in 1986-87 and 1987-88 seasons
Hakeem Olajuwon in 1988-89 season
Half of only the 10th tandem in NBA history to score 40 points in the same game
Pippen scored 40 points and Michael Jordan scored 44 points against the Indiana Pacers on February 18, 1996
Half of only the 9th tandem in NBA history to record triple doubles in the same game
with Michael Jordan
Achievements:
Pippen recorded 17 career triple-doubles in the regular season.
Led NBA in Steals (232) and Steals Per Game (2.94) in 1994-95 season.
Second Most Three-Point Field Goals Made by a Member of the Chicago Bulls (664)
His 10 NBA All-Defensive honors and 8 NBA All-Defensive First Team honors are each one shy of the NBA record
Man you guys who think pips is overrated need to blazing that cattle manure in your spliffs
Furthermore lets take away those figures, have you seriously watched those six bulls championships and see what pips did. They always sent Pips on the toughest defensive assignments.
Assists by a forward, career (6,135)[9]
Steals by a forward, career (2,307)[10]
Steals, Playoffs, career (395)[11]
Three point field goals made, NBA Finals, game (7, shared with Kenny Smith and Ray Allen)
One of three players in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks, season (1989-90 season)
Michael Jordan performed the feat back-to-back in 1986-87 and 1987-88 seasons
Hakeem Olajuwon in 1988-89 season
Half of only the 10th tandem in NBA history to score 40 points in the same game
Pippen scored 40 points and Michael Jordan scored 44 points against the Indiana Pacers on February 18, 1996
Half of only the 9th tandem in NBA history to record triple doubles in the same game
with Michael Jordan
Achievements:
Pippen recorded 17 career triple-doubles in the regular season.
Led NBA in Steals (232) and Steals Per Game (2.94) in 1994-95 season.
Second Most Three-Point Field Goals Made by a Member of the Chicago Bulls (664)
His 10 NBA All-Defensive honors and 8 NBA All-Defensive First Team honors are each one shy of the NBA record
Man you guys who think pips is overrated need to blazing that cattle manure in your spliffs
Furthermore lets take away those figures, have you seriously watched those six bulls championships and see what pips did. They always sent Pips on the toughest defensive assignments.
I agree.
I have to admit, I am utterly shocked at the number of people who listed Scottie Pippen as the most overrated. .
I'm a Pistons fan so I cant really like Pippen... but I'm surprised too...Pippen was always overshadowed because he played with Mike... but in his prime.. Pippen was a top 5 player in the league...he could do everything on the court..on both ends... the only thing he lacked sometimes was toughness...
Thank you. Again, I just feel that the first person listed Scottie as his most overrated choice and the rest of the dudes on here just "followed the leader" without even really trying to think for themselves.
By the way, I feel like he was robbed one year when he didn't make the All-Defensive team. That was a sham and a shame.
I also thank the person who posted the list of the top 50.
See, I can agree with everything you said. You provided an objective view on the topic. Thank you for being level-headed about the issue. Too many other cats just came in here and decided to talk sh*t and not back it up in any way.
By the way, I hope the Pistons return to dominance. I miss seeing them play well.
Wait Wait Wait
You are basing your opinion on that one incident?
Lets take someone like Kobe. Now Kobe is an outrageously talented player, deserves to be mentioned in the pantheon of NBA greats.
But even he has fucked up, in fact we have seen times when he cost his team games at critical junctions with his play.
It can be argued that he was a cancerous influence at times on his team due to his oncourt and offcourt behavior.
But that wouldnt keep reasonable people from thinking he deserved to be listed as a great.
I guess what I am really trying to say is
YOU ARE TALKING A PILE OF CUNT
Cosign all of this !! Pippen was a Beast !! He guarded the best player (from pg to pf) every night. The Bulls would have lost to the Lakers without Scottie for the first Ring. Magic was abusing Jordan (and every other bull guard) in the post in game 1. Then Phil put Scottie on Magic and the Laker offense got shut down (resulting in 4 straight for the Bulls and their first ring). All of this while basically being the point forward for the squad...
Yeah, I'm officially done with this whole argument. So many people have provided more than enough proof of Pippens baller status, yet people come in here, talk sh*t and don't back it up with any facts. We even had some dude come in here and point out the one incident where Pippen refused to go back into the game. I'm not saying he was right for that, but c'mon. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion. For me, Scottie most definitely deserves to be on the list and he will be a HOFer one day.
What people seem to conveniently be forgetting, especially those talking about rings, is that it was NEVER Jordan who was guarding the other team's toughest offensive threat. Scottie Pippen ALWAYS drew that assignment. You're absolutely right. Pippen made the Laker offense grind to a halt once Phil made the move. Pippen frustrated Stockton and Gary Payton when they met in the Finals. He totally took Mark Jackson out of the Eastern Conference Finals when they played the Pacers. He gave the Knicks fits on defense. Even when Oakley was trying to rough him up (which he did), Pippen still played well.
What people seem to conveniently be forgetting, especially those talking about rings, is that it was NEVER Jordan who was guarding the other team's toughest offensive threat. Scottie Pippen ALWAYS drew that assignment. You're absolutely right. Pippen made the Laker offense grind to a halt once Phil made the move. Pippen frustrated Stockton and Gary Payton when they met in the Finals. He totally took Mark Jackson out of the Eastern Conference Finals when they played the Pacers. He gave the Knicks fits on defense. Even when Oakley was trying to rough him up (which he did), Pippen still played well.
To nowhere.
Pippen made Larry Bird who was the coach of the Pacers complain to the NBA about his defensive work in that conference finals. Mind you it was all clean but Bird had to try sumthin
He harassed Mark Jackson like that dude owed hom money.
good call Bluntster
Like the Hawks in the playoffs during Wilkins' reign??
Yup. I remember Bird made the remark about wanting to see if Pip could do the same thing to Jordan. Whatever, Bird. Your boy got shut the f*ck down, just like Pip did to just about everyone he defended.
What are you talking about? The year when Jordan retired Scottie carried the bulls. He was second in the MVP balloting to the Dream. I coached Kobe and I know him. I wonder what he would do if in a playoff game Phil Jackson drew up a play for Buachich or however you spell it for the game winner? Like Phil did for Kukoc when Scottie was clearly the leader of the team. He would be damn mad too, especiall after waiting your turn patiently while Jordan got props for 8 years for making every big shot. He reacted like a bitch and that's what he was but he was still a great player.
As for Dominique I think that Bernard King belongs on the list before him. Dominique struggled to score in the half court set for most of his career. When he got a jumper and a floor game where he could dribble and get his own shot his athleticism was waning. Not every great dunker was a great player.
Shaq was dominant. How was he overrated? I agree with you on Pettit. He was a 6'9" power forward who could handle and shoot. Way before his time.
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In defense of my choice of Pippen as most overrated - it is easy to be a good player when the opposing team is focusing their entire defensive scheme on someone else (Jordan). But when Jordan was gone - nothing. Like the saying goes "Jordan made his teammates better." Now IMO, Pippen was good, but is he one of the 50 greatest? No.
Honestly Big Philly, you're wasting your time trying to reason with these clowns. I posted (more than once) what Scottie was able to do in Jordan's absence, but like any other valid argument, it got ignored. People don't care to hear facts. They just want to clown and try to be funnier than the guy before them. Whatever, though. Scottie's on the list and, much to the dismay of everyone it seems, he's staying on. And whenever there is a discussion about the best players ever, he will be mentioned.
To all those trying to clown on him, I'll see you all at his HOF induction.
I'm not going to go into this Walton shit but Bill Walton was a top ten center all time. His idiotness on the air now take away from his personna but he could pass, shoot, rebound and defend. He was awesome the year they won the title 77. Injuries ruined his career but he could play. I would pick him way infront of Dominique
this is history right here. i dont ask for bans but this is the 1st 1. kobe should be what?? i'm a laker/kobe fan as you can see by my lakers vs spurs thread tonight but to put kobe over MIKE! my brother you have to chill in the corner for a while until you get yourself together...
i'm kidding about the ban but serious about the kobe thing
+1
........ At dudes calling Pippen overrated! Listed below is ALL who voted Pippen in:Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (player), Marv Albert (media), Al Attles (team), Red Auerbach (team), Elgin Baylor (team), Dave Bing (player), Larry Bird (team), Marty Blake (team), Fran Blinebury (media), Bill Bradley (player), Hubie Brown (team), Wilt Chamberlain (player), Mitch Chortkoff (media), Bob Cousy (player), Billy Cunningham (team), Chuck Daly (team), David DuPree (media), Wayne Embry (team), Julius Erving (player), Joe Gilmartin (media), Sam Goldaper (media), Alex Hannum (team), Lester Harrison (team), John Havlicek (player), Chick Hearn (media), Red Holzman (team), Phil Jasner (media), Earvin Johnson (player), John Kerr (player), Leonard Koppet (media), Bob Lanier (player), Frank Layden (team), Leonard Lewin (media), Jack McCallum (media), Dick McGuire (team), George Mikan (player), Bob Pettit (player), Harvey Pollack (team), Jack Ramsay (team), Willis Reed (team), Oscar Robertson (player), Bill Russell (player), Bob Ryan (media), Dolph Schayes (player), Bill Sharman (player), Gene Shue (team), Isiah Thomas (team), Wes Unseld (team), Peter Vecsey (media), Jerry West (team)
Underated: Joe Dumars, Bernard King and Sidney Moncrief
Overrated: Bill Walton
correct. the lemmings always repeat whatever they heard on sportscenter. it NEVER should've been "jordan and pippen" identified as the dynamic duo. it should have been "jordan and coach jackson".
standing ovation.
please see big philly's reply.
did houston or portland advance farther after adding scottie pippen? coach jackson MADE scottie pippen.
see above.
that's a little overboard. still a solid player, but the system made him look better than he was.
coach jackson's system can make players look better than they are. more accurately, it can hide/disguise a lot of flaws.
i think that's a little overboard, but mostly fair.
at least banned from this type of thread.
it would still be bullshit no matter how many times you repeat it.
scottie pippen may have lead the bulls in scoring, steals, and assists, but not rebounding. please.
standing ovation for this man!
damn. i never thought i'd see this occur in nature.
in my ENTIRE life, i've never met a fan of ANY team other than the fakers who repeatedly made shit up about a player to try and fake his/her way through a point.
in the 2nd year of the 2nd 3-peat, scottie pippen played AND started in all 82 games.
Whatever you say buddy. Like I said before, I'm done with this argument, especially when people start using the SO OVERUSED "system" argument.
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damn. i never thought i'd see this occur in nature.
in my ENTIRE life, i've never met a fan of ANY team other than the fakers who repeatedly made shit up about a player to try and fake his/her way through a point.
in the 2nd year of the 2nd 3-peat, scottie pippen played AND started in all 82 games.
I may have gotten the exact year wrong, as I'm going off the top of my head, but surely there was one year during that second run at the three-peat. Look that up since you're good at that.
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