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Yeah that's silly. I'd give MJ more props than knock him for that shit. That Wiz team was bad and maybe Jordan felt obligated to do it since he fucked the team up anyway. :lol:

I'll say this about Lebron....we all remember that 2003 draft.....everyone claimed that shti was one of the best of all time......just think about all them dudes from that deep draft....all of them for the most part are out of the league except Melo who's playing a supporting role. Lebron is the only one standing that hasn't fell. Still the best player in the league. That's incredible. I don't see no signs of that changing anytime soon either. It depends how long he wants to play but his 36 ain't the average 36....he still in his prime. That's crazy.

I definitely gave MJ credit for coming out of retirement after t3 years and coming back and playing . I don’t hold those years against him be they weren’t expected to do anything.

I do agree with Fuckup in it was wrong for him to want the offense run through him though.

And you’re right, what Lebron had done is Amazing and something that is unprecedented! We’re truly witnessing one of if not the greatest career in NBA basketball as a whole. He definitely has my respect and I’m very happy and proud of him for him and his accomplishments!
 
But the question is why did MJ only make the Finals 6 times?

Lebron is expected to take lesser talent to the Finals but MJ isnt?

Why is that?
MJ didn’t play with the quality of talent that LeBron has played with, MJ didn’t team up with a Wade or Bosh to form a Big 3. LeBron did. Now LeBron got AD, another top 5 talent sidekick.
 
“Quitting”?

The man’s Dad was killed and he lost his love to play basketball or do anything. His Dad loved baseball so he started playing basketball to bring his spirit closer to his Dad.

The second retirement he said that he wasn’t going to play for a different coach and the didn’t give Phil a contract which meant Jordan was retiring.

And you call that “Quitting”?

Your perception isn’t always the reality.
You gave excuses for the quitting (and thats fine) . You didnt debunk the fact that he indeed quit.

The guy quit man. It is what it is. And not to sound callous but he isnt the first athlete to lose a parent.
 
You gave excuses for the quitting (and thats fine) . You didnt debunk the fact that he indeed quit.

The guy quit man. It is what it is. And not to sound callous but he isnt the first athlete to lose a parent.

Everyone handles death differently, Brett Farve lost his Dad and came out and had one of his greatest game’s ever.

To each his own.
 
You gave excuses for the quitting (and thats fine) . You didnt debunk the fact that he indeed quit.

The guy quit man. It is what it is. And not to sound callous but he isnt the first athlete to lose a parent.

Pippen is that you?:confused:

Sounds like you wanted to win 8 straight!:roflmao:
 
MJ didn’t play with the quality of talent that LeBron has played with, MJ didn’t team up with a Wade or Bosh to form a Big 3. LeBron did. Now LeBron got AD, another top 5 talent sidekick.

You keep dodging the question.

Why are we ok with MJ losing to tougher competition, to the point where its not held against him and we pretend it never happened?

Lebron does not get the pass, and by the way he took his lesser talented teams to the finals. No excuses.
 
MJ didn’t play with the quality of talent that LeBron has played with, MJ didn’t team up with a Wade or Bosh to form a Big 3. LeBron did. Now LeBron got AD, another top 5 talent sidekick.

if ACTUALLY look at the numbers and WHO he played with?

that is a really lazy bullsh*t narrative

tell Ron Harper he was just an extra and Jordan AND him will punch you in the mouth.

Ron Harper, rodman, Pippen, Kukoc, BJ Armstrong, Kerr, Paxton, were NOT scrubs.

that Cavs team Lebron DRAGGED to the finals the first and last year in Cleveland?

WTF you talking about.

Now THAT was something.
 
You taking wade in his prime over Pippen in his prime?

Real talk, Wade was my favorite player at the time, but after that first year with Lebron Wade was just a shell of himself, a part time player who had to be managed due to all the knee injuries. He was no longer top 5, maybe a top ten player at times.
 
if ACTUALLY look at the numbers and WHO he played with?

that is a really lazy bullsh*t narrative

tell Ron Harper he was just an extra and Jordan AND him will punch you in the mouth.

Ron Harper, rodman, Pippen, Kukoc, BJ Armstrong, Kerr, Paxton, were NOT scrubs.

that Cavs team Lebron DRAGGED to the finals the first and last year in Cleveland?

WTF you talking about.

Now THAT was something.

dudes in here will lie and say that they would pick
bosh and wade or kyrie and love over pippen and rodman
 
Real talk, Wade was my favorite player at the time, but after that first year with Lebron Wade was just a shell of himself, a part time player who had to be managed due to all the knee injuries. He was no longer top 5, maybe a top ten player at times.

sadly this is true

Dwyane Wade Proving a Shell of Himself in 2014 NBA Finals
ADAM FROMALJUNE 13, 2014

USA Today
What happened to Dwyane Wade?
The Miami Heat shooting guard submitted another stinker during Game 4 of the 2014 NBA Finals, and it's quickly starting to look like a trend, not just an aberration. While Wade will almost certainly go on to make the Hall of Fame, he's not doing much to improve his historical standing.
Nor is he helping the three-peat chase, which is much more important at the moment.
Unfortunately for Miami, he looked like just a shell of his old self during the 107-86 rout on Thursday night, recording only 10 points, two rebounds, four assists, four steals and three turnovers. Making it even worse, he shot only 3-of-13 from the field, consistently leaving everything short during the opening minutes.


As Bill Simmons put it after the broadcast on ESPN, "Wade was terrible."
He'd go on to explain that he wasn't even hustling back on defense during the proceedings, but let's have that statement stand alone. Wade, the legendary 2-guard with plenty of accolades to his name, was terrible.
And let's not forget just how good he can be.
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Erik Spoelstra intentionally held Wade out of the lineup for maintenance days throughout the 2013-14 campaign, trying to keep him both fresh and healthy throughout the playoffs.
And at first, it worked.
During the first three rounds of the postseason, he averaged an impressive 18.7 points, 3.9 rebounds and 4.3 assists per game while shooting 51.9 percent from the field and a surprising 38.9 percent from downtown. He played well enough that it seemed like a career resurgence.
There was a spring in his step, he was knocking down jumpers and he was actually making Miami better. And nearly everyone was singing his praises, as Bleacher Report's Dan Favale did in late May:
Dwyane Wade is back.
Statistically, anyway. There's nothing especially familiar or vintage about his playing style these days. He's different, having adjusted to his limited physical abilities, catering to his jerry-built knees, adhering to safer, less reckless methods of attack.
And yet, he's back—scoring, running, defending, actually playing. He's been back for a while, using most of these playoffs as a new dawn, assuming a familiar role behind LeBron James and no one else, helping the Miami Heat navigate their postseason gauntlet and reassert their status as reigning NBA champs who haven't the slightest intention of vacating their throne anytime soon.
Where did that Wade go?
"Vintage" is no longer a word that you want to use when describing the artist formerly known as Flash. And based on their performances in Games 3 and 4, the Heat sure seem intent on vacating that throne.
Just take a look at Wade's outings against the Spurs, who have systematically tortured him on both ends of the court:
Wade's Finals Struggles
PointsReboundsAssistsTurnoversShooting
Game 1193228-of-18
Game 2147455-of-9
Game 3224258-of-12
Game 4102433-of-13
Some of those numbers seem far more impressive than they should, as meaningless statistics were accrued during garbage time. The eye test is more important here, and Wade earns a big red "F."

Speaking of which, that's the same grade Bleacher Report's Andrew Bailey gave the 2-guard for his Game 4 outing.
Wade doesn't have any spring. He doesn't play with confidence, and when he does, it's misplaced (more misplaced confidence later). The possessions in which he dribbles down the court and shoots a contested mid-range jumper without bothering to make a single pass are killing any semblance of offense for Miami.

USA TODAY Sports
That lack of explosiveness—which didn't exactly go unnoticed by the world, as you can see below—is particularly troubling.
On top of that, he's been slow to recover on defense, often spending time pondering his offensive mistakes and complaining before getting back to the other side of the court.
Of course, Wade downplayed the struggles while sitting at the podium and addressing the media after his inexplicably awful performance.
"I’ll take those same opportunities next game for sure," he claimed during the ESPN broadcast. And on top of that, there's this statement: "I'm a very accurate shooter. I don't like missing. I'm not used to missing."
See? I told you there would be more misplaced confidence.
Problem is, Wade hasn't been accurate, unless he's intentionally aiming for the rim. If that's the cause, Miami has even more problems than it currently realizes.
During Game 4, the Spurs outscored Miami by nine points when he was on the court. That's coming off a minus-nine performance in Game 3, minus-eight in the Game 2 victory and minus-18 in the opening contest.
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If the Heat are going to become the first team in Finals history to come back from a 3-1 series deficit, they have to get more from Wade.

This team was built around the contributions of three superstars, but it's devolved into LeBron James trying to carry the Heat from start to finish. Chris Bosh is no longer getting as many touches (which needs to change ASAP for them to turn things around), and Wade isn't, well, Wade.
"And it makes you wonder: When's the last time Dwyane Wade mattered for this Heat team?" asks Zach Harper of CBS Sports before providing us with the answer. "He certainly matters right now, and it's for all of the wrong reasons."
The concern here is no longer that Wade could get hurt and throw a wrench in Miami's plans.
It's that the shooting guard is as healthy as he could reasonably be expected to be, but he's failing to do anything positive at the most crucial part of the season. Unless that changes, the Heat are dead in the water heading back to San Antonio.
He's not wrong.
Before pinning all the fault on Miami for lackluster energy and declining play from key players, take the time to give the Spurs credit. They're playing some of the most beautiful basketball imaginable, moving the ball in ways that few teams are even capable of dreaming up, and their defense has been undeniably impressive.
But Wade has the unique ability to change things.
We know he's capable of lighting up the scoreboard, locking down on defense and dominating every facet of the game. He's made a career out of doing that, even if these Finals are making it awfully hard to remember that.

"Right now" has only led to a 3-1 deficit, not a series loss. "Right now" doesn't impact Game 5, nor does it have any bearing on the games that could come after that contest.
The odds are stacked against Miami "right now," but Wade turning back the clock could reverse that. In fact, it might be the only way for the Heat to complete their coveted three-peat.
 
dudes in here will lie and say that they would pick
bosh and wade or kyrie and love over pippen and rodman

^^^^^^

Remembering just BEFORE Love went to Cleveland?

they were out here claiming he an all time great cause he was racking up those double doubles?

and when he got to Cleveland it was LEBRON FAULT?

and ALSO forgetting that Love AND Kyrie were injured and Lebron played the Warriors ALONE

and MIRACULOUSLY something Jordan did (or had to do) and got 2 wins against one of the GREATEST teams ever assembled?

and made Delavadova a damn STAR?

Delavadova?

You would like the Proud boys would wear Lebron tattoos the way he making average as white dudes millionaires off his sweat.

where you at Caruso?
 
Real talk, Wade was my favorite player at the time, but after that first year with Lebron Wade was just a shell of himself, a part time player who had to be managed due to all the knee injuries. He was no longer top 5, maybe a top ten player at times.
Yea i tell folks Wade was like Forest Gump, he shot his load early. That's why when folks talk that Miami big 3 shit I'm like it might have been a "big 2.5" cuz Wade wasn't really Wade at that point
 
Yea i tell folks Wade was like Forest Gump, he shot his load early. That's why when folks talk that Miami big 3 shit I'm like it might have been a "big 2.5" cuz Wade wasn't really Wade at that point

looking back?

Those Miami championships?

were really epic

the story lines and performances form a relatively NEW TEAM in such a short time isn't appreciated enough.
 
you not wrong.

I keep hearing East vs West

but I never hear how Jordan "had it easy" playing in the East.

funny how that works.

I have no problem calling MJ the goat.

MJ built the NBA, built Nike and the entire sneaker/sponsorship culture we live in today.

But when we talk about what happened on the court, Im not with judging him only by his success and ignoring his fails, cause we dont do that for anyone else.

When he came up we never said he cant be the goat until gets to 12 rings.

We never held his teammates success against him.

...
 
I have no problem calling MJ the goat.

MJ built the NBA, built Nike and the entire sneaker/sponsorship culture we live in today.

But when we talk about what happened on the court, Im not with judging him only by his success and ignoring his fails, cause we dont do that for anyone else.

When he came up we never said he cant be the goat until gets to 12 rings.

We never held his teammates success against him.

...

agreed

and MJ is the GOAT

there aint no disputing that

NEVER

but I just don;t like how it SOMEHOW always translates to be like

Bill Russell Kareem etc aint GOATS in they OWN right.
 
You keep dodging the question.

Why are we ok with MJ losing to tougher competition, to the point where its not held against him and we pretend it never happened?

Lebron does not get the pass, and by the way he took his lesser talented teams to the finals. No excuses.
LeBron had a great team and he lost to Dallas in the Finals. The Heat was favorited to win that series in 2011. I would bet money that MJ wouldn’t have lost that series with him and Pip and the other guys.
 
if ACTUALLY look at the numbers and WHO he played with?

that is a really lazy bullsh*t narrative

tell Ron Harper he was just an extra and Jordan AND him will punch you in the mouth.

Ron Harper, rodman, Pippen, Kukoc, BJ Armstrong, Kerr, Paxton, were NOT scrubs.

that Cavs team Lebron DRAGGED to the finals the first and last year in Cleveland?

WTF you talking about.

Now THAT was something.
Ron Harper wasn’t no D-Wade and Kukoc wasn’t no Bosh.
 
agreed

and MJ is the GOAT

there aint no disputing that

NEVER

but I just don;t like how it SOMEHOW always translates to be like

Bill Russell Kareem etc aint GOATS in they OWN right.
Bill Russell played against a lot of white scrubs, he was dogging them guys easily. Kareem is a better debatable question. Same as Wilt, he was dogging a lot of smaller white guys.
 
Not even 24 hours later and this whole thread has become LBJ vs MJ .... again :smh:

I really hate this entire debate. It's a unwinnable argument unless one of the BGOL baller crew is pulling up with Doc Brown in a tricked out DeLorean. Other than that, there will NEVER be a way to determine a right or wrong answer.

No need for another 7 pages of this shit, let's keep it simple. Jordan was the best of his era and Bron is the best during his era.
Done and done.
 
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Not even 24 hours later and this whole thread has become LBJ vs MJ .... again :smh:

I really hate this entire debate. It's a unwinnable agrue. I mean unless one of the BGOL baller crew is pulling up with Doc Brown in a tricked out DeLorean. Other than that, there will NEVER be a way to determine a right or wrong answer.

No need for another 7 pages of this shit, let's keep it simple. Jordan was the best of his era and Bron is the best during his era.
Done and done.

finally someone with sense.....
 

Sounds like a mufuckin pattern to me


Comment is sort of stupid

because it's not like Lebron came by himself

Lebron and another All Star in Chris Bosh came to Miami

Lebron and then AD came to the Lakers

People need to stop blindly agreeing with shit just because someone on TV said it
 
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