NBA HOF Worthy

[TimRock]

Let's name some players (if they are currently playing, they will have had to play 10 or more years) and discuss if they belong in the HOF.

I got two names.
Robert Horry - Clutch Shooter, 5 championship rings. Solid defender. Numbers aren't great but he does things that don't show up on the stat sheets.

Mitch Richmond - Played on some bad teams, but was a great scorer. Averaged 21 ppg for 10 straight seasons (Jordan, Big O, Shaq and Kareem are others), Gold Medalist and 6 Time all star. Won a ring his last year in a limited role with the Lakers.

Are they worthy?

 

[TrojansFan]

IMO, I think Horry belongs because as you mentioned his stats arent great but he has won championships everywhere he played (except that short stint in PHX) and was an integral piece of all those teams not just along for the ride. I don't think Richmond is deserving. He could score, but as you pointed out he never contributed to a championship and never really had an impact on the game besides his scoring.

 

[cranrab]

Robert Horry - Clutch Shooter, 5 championship rings. Solid defender. Numbers aren't great but he does things that don't show up on the stat sheets.

the HOF is such a peculiar and fickle animal. if bill walton can make it in, then robert horry should also be in. bill walton's professional resume pales in comparison to that of robert horry's.

Mitch Richmond - Played on some bad teams, but was a great scorer. Averaged 21 ppg for 10 straight seasons (Jordan, Big O, Shaq and Kareem are others), Gold Medalist and 6 Time all star. Won a ring his last year in a limited role with the Lakers.

NO. mitch richmond was a solid player, but if adrian dantley is not in the HOF, then mitch richmond does not belong. mitch richmond made it to the post season only 4 times his entire career. and the 4th time he played a grand total of FOUR minutes. though roughly the same size, adrian dantley was the markedly superior player.

 

[cranrab]

here are some names i believe deserve future consideration

artis gilmore
maurice cheeks
buck williams
kevin johnson

 

[TimRock]

KJ. That was my boy. Averaged 20 and 10 3 times. Although I wasn't watching basketball when his career first started, i can't agree or disagree. 10 straight seasons making the playoffs, that might be hard to over look.

Those other guys i never really saw play, but Mo and Buck i think should be in there. From what I hear about them.

How about Dennis Rodman? Same boat as Horry? Minus the clutch shooting.

 

[cranrab]

KJ. That was my boy. Averaged 20 and 10 3 times.10 straight seasons making the playoffs, that might be hard to over look.

with KJ, it goes well beyond his statistics, though they are impressive. KJ averaged a double double 4 CONSECUTIVE seasons, and flirted with it again in 3 others. the only season in his career he did NOT make the playoffs was his rookie season, like shaquille o'neal.

but kevin johnson was a fierce competitor, a motivator, a winner, and a leader who was able to step up his game in the playoffs.

lead this squad to the NBA FINALS:

kevin johnson
dan majerle
richard dumas
charles barkley (the anchor)
mark west

 

[Spectrum]

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NO. mitch richmond was a solid player, but if adrian dantley is not in the HOF, then mitch richmond does not belong.

As a Pistons fan, I hate to see how the organization played Adrian Dantley though. Although I understand how is style of play often slowed down the flow of the offense and especially disrupted the role of Thomas as the center of distribution of the offense.... i just to see how he helped the team get the promised land and then go moved to a basement dweller and Mark Aguirre got the damn rings.

 

[cranrab]

As a Pistons fan, I hate to see how the organization played Adrian Dantley though. Although I understand how is style of play often slowed down the flow of the offense and especially disrupted the role of Thomas as the center of distribution of the offense.... i just to see how he helped the team get the promised land and then go moved to a basement dweller and Mark Aguirre got the damn rings.

it's almost 2 full decades later, and i'm only just NOW (sad, i know) discovering the whole beef between AD and isiah. FOUL. and coach dantley is still sour about how it all went down.

people who think tobe didn't railroad shaquille o'neal off the fakers simply aren't old enough to remember how things almost identically transpired with AD and the pistons. perimeter player v. inside player. money gripe. touches and style of play beef. even the posturing of the owners and GMs during and after the trades are damn near identical.

 

[Spectrum]

it's almost 2 full decades later, and i'm only just NOW (sad, i know) discovering the whole beef between AD and isiah. FOUL. and coach dantley is still sour about how it all went down.

people who think tobe didn't railroad shaquille o'neal off the fakers simply aren't old enough to remember how things almost identically transpired with AD and the pistons. perimeter player v. inside player. money gripe. touches and style of play beef. even the posturing of the owners and GMs during and after the trades are damn near identical.

That whole thing was dirty man. AD HATED ZEKE... it got hot and heavy behind the scenes because Thomas felt he did not have undisputed control over the team with Dantley there. I love Isaiah and what he did for the Pistons.. but this situation was the only thing that really left a salty taste in my mouth. Not only did he get Dantley traded..he basically sent him to a shitty team(killing his career and chances for a title) and brought on his buddy: Aguirre..who really added nothing to the team that Dantley did not already provide. But I am not surprised the owner and GM sided with Thomas on that because he was the Franchise player.. the owner was notoriously in love with Thomas.. much similar to the LA situation. However, the LA situation was much worse...because although Dantley was a first class player.. Shaq WAS the franchise and one of the most dominant players to ever play the game. The Pistons were partial to Thomas.. but LA proved they were stuck on stupid by trading Shaq away because of the Kobe situation. They better hope they dont suffer the curse of the Bambino like Boston when they got rid of the Babe.

 

[RunawaySlave]

I don't think Worthy, Richmond and DEFINITELY not Robert
Horry belong in the HOF

I also believe post season should have little to do with it.
As if the entire regular season could be disregarded. Just
making a few "big shots" should not be all that is required.

And please kick out all billionaire owners

 

[TimRock]

DEFINITELY not Robert Horry belong in the HOF
As if the entire regular season could be disregarded.

I agree. It will be interesting to see if he does get in. He has hit a lot of shots, so most of the voters may pick him solely based on that. I think it can be said that he hit shots that determined the outcome of series. Like in game 4, Lakers v. Kings. He misses that shot, and LA is down 3 to 1, and they'd have to go into arco and win 2 games. But you can't really say because it didnt happen that way. But I dont think his stats will get him in.

 

[cranrab]

But I dont think his stats will get him in.

on face value, i agree. all things being equal, robert horry is NOT a HOF type player.

but IF we go by stats, that entire argument goes out the window. IF we use statistics, robert horry stands head and shoulders above bill walton. yet bill walton gets inducted the same year as julius erving?

 

[xfactor]

on face value, i agree. all things being equal, robert horry is NOT a HOF type player.

but IF we go by stats, that entire argument goes out the window. IF we use statistics, robert horry stands head and shoulders above bill walton. yet bill walton gets inducted the same year as julius erving?

You guys have to remember that the basketball hall of fame recognizes amateur players as well. And although Walton was a mediocre pro player IMO (despite winning a Finals' MVP) I think he'd have gotten in off of his college career alone. I saw tape of the 1973 Title game against the Memphis Tigers. @ what that pot head did to Larry Finch and crew.

As far as Horry... I dont think he's HOF worthy because his stats arent good enough. He's one of the best clutch shooters of all time but that I think you have to truly be the most dominant player at your position for years to get that honor.

The only current players I think are guaranteed in right now are Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Allen Iverson and Jason Kidd.

 

[cranrab]

You guys have to remember that the basketball hall of fame recognizes amateur players as well. And although Walton was a mediocre pro player IMO (despite winning a Finals' MVP) I think he'd have gotten in off of his college career alone. I saw tape of the 1973 Title game against the Memphis Tigers. @ what that pot head did to Larry Finch and crew.

for me, that serves to dilute the meaning of the HOF. without question bill walton was part of a historic run by UCLA, but his professional career is SUSPECT.

played 86 games in his first TWO seasons combined?

portland didn't have a winning record until AFTER maurice lucas arrived from the ABA?

SUSPECT - won the MVP in 1978 IN A YEAR WHEN HE PLAYED ONLY 58 GAMES? AND had lower averages in significant statistical categories than the previous year?

bill walton beating out george gervin (who played in all 82 games, shot over 50%, and averaged 27 PPG) for 1978 MVP is/was some straight up bullshit. cracker ass bitches were mad that kareem abdul jabbar beat out their great white hope in 1977 and were on some payback bullshit.

where's tampabayclitsucker's sig when you need it?

 

[cranrab]

i can't leave it alone

furthermore, you got that croatian euro shitbird drazen petrovic in the HOF, but not solid american players like dennis johnson, patrick ewing and david robinson?

you got what, like 100 NBA players in the HOF and that sorry bitch gets a pass?

again, not off what he did in the NBA, but what he did overseas? so he had a 100+ point game against some dudes living in caves and trying to make fire with rocks. so he played very well against some dudes who preferred to be bullfighters and play soccer. i bet yao ming lit shit up in china, too.

in the end, drazen petrovic was a euro who liked to shoot and could score. has there been a euro in NBA history whose game couldn't be summed up by that sentence?

yet he gets inducted before charles barkley and dominique wilkins?

 

[TimRock]

The only current players I think are guaranteed in right now are Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Allen Iverson and Jason Kidd.

What about KG and GP? And why Iverson? Not saying i disagree, but just want to know why?

 

[jlred39000]

yall touched on so many points. basketball is such a weird sport to judge shit like this on because the team plays such a part. KG might never win a ring, and his performance wit his team in the playoffs is weak, but who is going to contest him being inducted? also, the rodman comment, dennis redifined the rebounding game. he was the only 6'9 brother to lock down shaq and bitch slap Karl Malone. anf where is his name ib all the HOF talk? the shit is all fucked up

 

[xfactor]

What about KG and GP? And why Iverson? Not saying i disagree, but just want to know why?

I failed to mentioned Garnett as I think he is a stone cold lock to make it on the first ballot. Payton will definitely get in but has his status as a role player the last 4 years hurt him? It might. But Im not a HOF voter so I cant comment on their mindset.

Iverson may not have been the best team player of all time but his resume speaks for itself. 3rd highest scoring average in NBA history (behind Wilt and Jordan), Rookie of the year, NBA MVP award, 3 time ALL NBA first team. And he did all of that being under 6 ft.

 

[Maleman]

This guy gets heavy consideration

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[Rollie_Fingaz]

Personally I feel that the HOF should be reserved for player that were MVP candidates multiple times OR led the league in a category multiple times.

My picks:
Dennis Rodman
Kevin Johnson
Jason Kidd
Allen Iverson
Shaq
Hakeem
David Robinson
John Stockton
Karl Malone

Borderline players:
Ewing
Barkley
KG

 

[xfactor]

Personally I feel that the HOF should be reserved for player that were MVP candidates multiple times OR led the league in a category multiple times.

My picks:
Dennis Rodman
Kevin Johnson
Jason Kidd
Allen Iverson
Shaq
Hakeem
David Robinson
John Stockton
Karl Malone

I agree with your criteria but no Tim Duncan?

Borderline players:
Barkley

Charles Barkley is already in.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

I agree with your criteria but no Tim Duncan?

Yeah, Duncan is automatic. He just slipped my mind...and I forgot Barkley was in already.

 

[witmoe]

kobe goes to the hall right off the back, duncan, kg, kidd, what about a guy like marcus camby, he was on that knick team with lj and spree, even allan houston all of those guys were more then solid players in the league, and oh yeah ZO punk @*ss too, penny cwebb?

 

[500dollars]

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