NBA Debate: Harden says wins should be top factor in MVP race, AGREE?

It works like that if the numbers are comparable

If niggas is all around the same numbers but 1 dude lifted his team to the best record that's why he's the mvp

Unless


A player is having an all time transcendent season


If harden was averaging a triple double too tie would go to doing it on a better team

Since he is not just tip your cap
 
Gotdamn. OKC drafted three MVP-caliber players. Durant won one. Russ winning this year. Harden is coming in second this year.

Sam Presti is a genius drafting, but his bosses are dummies for making them trade Harden. Talk about a Big 3? They drafted a Big 3. That never happens.

We did it now and went to back to back finals with ours
 
Harden need to stop lobbying......makes him look like a bitch. With that being said, I hope they give the MVP to Westbrook.
 
Y'all niggas remember when Allen iverson won MVP?

Same shit
Fuck Outta here with that dumb shit!!!! when AI won philly was the best team in the east; and they were the best defensive team in the league; and he won MVP of all star game that year; and the only team to win a game against the Lakers in the playoffs; they would have won more if Snow and McKee didnt get hurt; fuck that dumb shit you said!!!!
 
James Harden says wins should be top factor in MVP race

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Houston Rockets star guard James Harden said Sunday that wins should matter when it comes to the Most Valuable Player award.

On the season, Harden's Rockets have 54 victories, good for the third-best record in the tough Western Conference. The other major candidate for the MVP award, Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook, is leading a team with 46 victories, sixth in the West. San Antonio's Kawhi Leonard, another candidate, has 61 victories with his team as the No. 2 seed in the West.

"I think that's the most important thing. I thought winning is what this is about -- period," Harden said after recording his 21st triple-double of the season in the Rockets' win over the Sacramento Kings on Sunday. "I'm not going to get in-depth with all that, but I thought winning was the most important thing. If you set your team up in a position to have a chance, at the ultimate goal, that's the most important thing."

Harden addressed the topic a day after Rockets general manager Daryl Morey began a series of tweets that weighed in on the debate.


According to Elias Sports Bureau research, the past 34 MVPs' teams have been ranked in the top three of their respective conferences in wins. In that stretch, only two were ranked outside the top two: Steve Nash in 2005-06 and Michael Jordan in 1987-88. Overall, 45 of the 61 MVP winners finished the season first in the conference. Only 12 of the 61 MVP winners finished the season ranked first in triple-doubles.

Westbrook set an NBA single-season record for triple-doubles with his 42nd in Sunday's victory over the Denver Nuggets.

"It's a huge accomplishment," Harden said of Westbrook, whom he's close friends with. "He's been playing extremely well all season long, it's never been done before, it's a great individual accomplishment, and it's great."

Harden is also setting himself up for a special accomplishment. Coming into Sunday's games, Harden was scoring or assisting on 56.3 points per game. The NBA record for the highest combined single-season average of points and points off assists is 56.8 set by Tiny Archibald in 1972-73.

"It's just another great individual stat," Harden said. "But like I said, my job is to go out there and try to get my teammates involved, try to build their confidence so we're able to go out there and play and everybody is feeling good that's the most important thing. If none of my teammates are feeling good, I won't be anything, and we won't be far as to where we're trying to go.

"That's the most important thing. That's my job every night, and I think for the most part, guys are feeling good. We just got to continue to keep going."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...houston-rockets-mvp-wins-most-important-thing
If thats the case then Steph or Leonard should win then:lol::hmm:....
 
Fuck Outta here with that dumb shit!!!! when AI won philly was the best team in the east; and they were the best defensive team in the league; and he won MVP of all star game that year; and the only team to win a game against the Lakers in the playoffs; they would have won more if Snow and McKee didnt get hurt; fuck that dumb shit you said!!!!
You can't tell me harden isn't doing the same shit as iverson

Mckie = Lou williams

Capela = mutumobo

Ariza = George lynch

Nene = Tyrone hill ugly ass

Pat Bev = Eric snow

Gordon = RAja bell

Dantoni = Larry brown
 
You can't tell me harden isn't doing the same shit as iverson

Mckie = Lou williams

Capela = mutumobo

Ariza = George lynch

Nene = Tyrone hill ugly ass

Pat Bev = Eric snow

Gordon = RAja bell

Dantoni = Larry brown
Rockets are not the best team in their division and barring a major injury they not coming out of west; actually this rockets team is far better offensively then that sixers team; to take that sixers team to the finals and best record in the east; is far more impressive then what Harden is doing, to me.....
 
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Rockets are not the best team in their division and barring a major injury they not coming out of west; actually this rockets team is far better offensively then that sixers team; to take that sixers team to the finals and best record in the east; is far more impressive then what Harden is doing, to me.....
The east was beyond ass those years
 
J Kidd was with Phoenix that year, Kittles didnt play at all and Kenyon Martin was first team all rookie... :hmm:

New Jersey went to 2 Finals the year after and kept AI from sniffing a Finals ever again in his life. Early 2000s Lakers had the weakest comp in NBA history. Even that 6er team was weak as fuck. Won 1 game and showed "heart" :hmm:
 
In the 5 season prior to 2003, the western conference averaged 42 wins more head to head each season vs the east...

In the seasons 2003-2016, the west averaged 62 wins more head to head each season vs the east...

Yep, the eastern conference is much stronger now than then, east was the weakest in history especially compared to the last 14 years. Its hard as fuck to make it out of the powerful eastern conference now.. Da fuck people talmbout?!?!? :rolleyes:
 
New Jersey went to 2 Finals the year after and kept AI from sniffing a Finals ever again in his life. Early 2000s Lakers had the weakest comp in NBA history. Even that 6er team was weak as fuck. Won 1 game and showed "heart" :hmm:
I was responding to the wrong info you presented is all Bruh...
 
In the last 6 seasons the west has averages 66 more wins head to head than the eastern conference, including a whopping 118 more wins in 2013-2014.... Didnt believe how strong the east had been lately.... Teams should get an award just for making it TOO the damn finals the last few years out of the east :yes:
 
In the 5 season prior to 2003, the western conference averaged 42 wins more head to head each season vs the east...

In the seasons 2003-2016, the west averaged 62 wins more head to head each season vs the east...

Yep, the eastern conference is much stronger now than then, east was the weakest in history especially compared to the last 14 years. Its hard as fuck to make it out of the powerful eastern conference now.. Da fuck people talmbout?!?!? :rolleyes:

How many wins combined did the Eastern Conference Champs have in the Finals from 2000-2003. 3? AI is a "legend" off 1 Finals win.:roflmao: The era was that weak. The bar was set waaaaaaaaay lower. George Lynch ass niggas. Tell me these great teams out the east in that time period? Keep using them REGULAR SEASON records.:smh:
 
In the last 6 seasons the west has averages 66 more wins head to head than the eastern conference, including a whopping 118 more wins in 2013-2014.... Didnt believe how strong the east had been lately.... Teams should get an award just for making it TOO the damn finals the last few years out of the east :yes:

The defending champs out the west. They won 73 regular season games last year and couldnt be beat. :yes:
 
James Harden says wins should be top factor in MVP race

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Houston Rockets star guard James Harden said Sunday that wins should matter when it comes to the Most Valuable Player award.

On the season, Harden's Rockets have 54 victories, good for the third-best record in the tough Western Conference. The other major candidate for the MVP award, Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook, is leading a team with 46 victories, sixth in the West. San Antonio's Kawhi Leonard, another candidate, has 61 victories with his team as the No. 2 seed in the West.

"I think that's the most important thing. I thought winning is what this is about -- period," Harden said after recording his 21st triple-double of the season in the Rockets' win over the Sacramento Kings on Sunday. "I'm not going to get in-depth with all that, but I thought winning was the most important thing. If you set your team up in a position to have a chance, at the ultimate goal, that's the most important thing."

Harden addressed the topic a day after Rockets general manager Daryl Morey began a series of tweets that weighed in on the debate.


According to Elias Sports Bureau research, the past 34 MVPs' teams have been ranked in the top three of their respective conferences in wins. In that stretch, only two were ranked outside the top two: Steve Nash in 2005-06 and Michael Jordan in 1987-88. Overall, 45 of the 61 MVP winners finished the season first in the conference. Only 12 of the 61 MVP winners finished the season ranked first in triple-doubles.

Westbrook set an NBA single-season record for triple-doubles with his 42nd in Sunday's victory over the Denver Nuggets.

"It's a huge accomplishment," Harden said of Westbrook, whom he's close friends with. "He's been playing extremely well all season long, it's never been done before, it's a great individual accomplishment, and it's great."

Harden is also setting himself up for a special accomplishment. Coming into Sunday's games, Harden was scoring or assisting on 56.3 points per game. The NBA record for the highest combined single-season average of points and points off assists is 56.8 set by Tiny Archibald in 1972-73.

"It's just another great individual stat," Harden said. "But like I said, my job is to go out there and try to get my teammates involved, try to build their confidence so we're able to go out there and play and everybody is feeling good that's the most important thing. If none of my teammates are feeling good, I won't be anything, and we won't be far as to where we're trying to go.

"That's the most important thing. That's my job every night, and I think for the most part, guys are feeling good. We just got to continue to keep going."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...houston-rockets-mvp-wins-most-important-thing
didn't read any of the responses yet but i will say yes and no... no because you could have an incredible season but for whatever reason your team mite be 5 or 7 seed..some dudes are lucky they are on real great teams so the record is nice because the whole team doin their part not juss him..some people have to carry their team while others don't.. still the reason why i think kobe should've won yrs ago cause that nig had luke walton, smush parker, and kwame brown and still got those losers into the playoffs..those guys prob wouldn't even made it to the ncaa tournament that yr without kobe and u def kno they prob wouldn't even won 20 games in the nba by themselves
 
didn't read any of the responses yet but i will say yes and no... no because you could have an incredible season but for whatever reason your team mite be 5 or 7 seed..some dudes are lucky they are on real great teams so the record is nice because the whole team doin their part not juss him..some people have to carry their team while others don't.. still the reason why i think kobe should've won yrs ago cause that nig had luke walton, smush parker, and kwame brown and still got those losers into the playoffs..those guys prob wouldn't even made it to the ncaa tournament that yr without kobe and u def kno they prob wouldn't even won 20 games in the nba by themselves

Cats who choke away 3-1 leads dont deserve to be MVP. Nash and Raja sonned him. Mofo wasnt shit without Phil.
 
Muthafuckas act like Westbrook ain't making the playoffs. If they played in the East the would have an even better record. Then if Harden is going by record, K. Leonard record is better than his team. So should Leonard be the MVP.
 
It works like that if the numbers are comparable

If niggas is all around the same numbers but 1 dude lifted his team to the best record that's why he's the mvp

Unless


A player is having an all time transcendent season


If harden was averaging a triple double too tie would go to doing it on a better team

Since he is not just tip your cap

Exactly. And it's not like the supporting casts are the same. I can't believe this MVP race is even a fucking discussion. :smh: Westbrook willed his team to wins. Without him, they win like 17 fucking games.
 
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Muthafuckas act like Westbrook ain't making the playoffs. If they played in the East the would have an even better record. Then if Harden is going by record, K. Leonard record is better than his team. So should Leonard be the MVP.
Thats my whole point Bruh... Dude lost a top 3 player in the league and his starting PF AND made the playoffs as a higher than 8th seed and Dudes are talking like hes on a 10 win team with this shit...FOH!:lol:
 
Exactly. And it's not like the supporting casts are the same. I can't believe this MVP race is even a fucking discussion. :smh: Westbrook willed his team to wins. Without him, they win like 17 fucking games.
Bruh its been proven based on team play and efficiency when hes not in the game... Funny how people avoid that shit in the context of this discussion tho...
 
Cats who choke away 3-1 leads dont deserve to be MVP. Nash and Raja sonned him. Mofo wasnt shit without Phil.
season and playoffs are two diff things... 82 games is the season..anything after that is the playoffs..remember when lebron would lead the cavs to 60+wins and stay losing in the second round?? well by your logic he should've gotten his mvp trophies taken away..kobe was the best that season juss like lebron was when he was winning 60 and getting eliminated early
 
season and playoffs are two diff things... 82 games is the season..anything after that is the playoffs..remember when lebron would lead the cavs to 60+wins and stay losing in the second round?? well by your logic he should've gotten his mvp trophies taken away..kobe was the best that season juss like lebron was when he was winning 60 and getting eliminated early

Tell me an NBA player who won MVP as a 7th seed? Ill wait.
 
Tell me an NBA player who won MVP as a 7th seed? Ill wait.
juss because it never happen dosen't mean it cant.. westbrook should win the mvp this yr has a mvp ever won as a 6 seed?? if that has never happen than it will be the first..see how that goes??
 
Why he didn't beat the Heat

Are you saying Heat > Lakers?
YeS

Brian SHAW ain't stopping Wade

And Rick fox ain't sticking bosh

Lebron , Wade , bosh was beat that lakers team breh

That 2012 heat team wasn't playing no games

Had okc trading off harden n shit
 
juss because it never happen dosen't mean it cant.. westbrook should win the mvp this yr has a mvp ever won as a 6 seed?? if that has never happen than it will be the first..see how that goes??

Post Kobes 2006 stats and Ill post Westbrooks. And lets see if they compare. No long paragraphs, no using LeFag as a shield. Post math like you tell your stripper whores.
 
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