NBA Debate: Harden says wins should be top factor in MVP race, AGREE?

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James Harden says wins should be top factor in MVP race

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Houston Rockets star guard James Harden said Sunday that wins should matter when it comes to the Most Valuable Player award.

On the season, Harden's Rockets have 54 victories, good for the third-best record in the tough Western Conference. The other major candidate for the MVP award, Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook, is leading a team with 46 victories, sixth in the West. San Antonio's Kawhi Leonard, another candidate, has 61 victories with his team as the No. 2 seed in the West.

"I think that's the most important thing. I thought winning is what this is about -- period," Harden said after recording his 21st triple-double of the season in the Rockets' win over the Sacramento Kings on Sunday. "I'm not going to get in-depth with all that, but I thought winning was the most important thing. If you set your team up in a position to have a chance, at the ultimate goal, that's the most important thing."

Harden addressed the topic a day after Rockets general manager Daryl Morey began a series of tweets that weighed in on the debate.


According to Elias Sports Bureau research, the past 34 MVPs' teams have been ranked in the top three of their respective conferences in wins. In that stretch, only two were ranked outside the top two: Steve Nash in 2005-06 and Michael Jordan in 1987-88. Overall, 45 of the 61 MVP winners finished the season first in the conference. Only 12 of the 61 MVP winners finished the season ranked first in triple-doubles.

Westbrook set an NBA single-season record for triple-doubles with his 42nd in Sunday's victory over the Denver Nuggets.

"It's a huge accomplishment," Harden said of Westbrook, whom he's close friends with. "He's been playing extremely well all season long, it's never been done before, it's a great individual accomplishment, and it's great."

Harden is also setting himself up for a special accomplishment. Coming into Sunday's games, Harden was scoring or assisting on 56.3 points per game. The NBA record for the highest combined single-season average of points and points off assists is 56.8 set by Tiny Archibald in 1972-73.

"It's just another great individual stat," Harden said. "But like I said, my job is to go out there and try to get my teammates involved, try to build their confidence so we're able to go out there and play and everybody is feeling good that's the most important thing. If none of my teammates are feeling good, I won't be anything, and we won't be far as to where we're trying to go.

"That's the most important thing. That's my job every night, and I think for the most part, guys are feeling good. We just got to continue to keep going."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...houston-rockets-mvp-wins-most-important-thing
 


Here he comes with this shit :lol:

Acting like this isn't how it goes anyway

The award is usually given to the best player on one of the best teams if not the best team

Which would disqualify Harden too since he ain't on the best team either

Westbrook averaged a triple double so if he wins it is what it is that shit is historical
 
He is right wins... should count. It is embarrassing for an MVP to collect his award and not receive it in front of his fans in the second round of the playoffs. An MVP usually, and should be for playoff seeds in either conference 1-4... those who can at least secure homecourt in the playoffs.
 
Under normal circumstances, sure.

But, if a nigga bugged all the way the fuck out like Westbrook did ...

...come on. How do you NOT reward that kind of effort? A triple-double average and you gon' say somebody is a MVP, simply because they were fortunate enough to have better teammates?
 
Harden must got escalators in his contract if he wins MVP. I never seen someone lobby this hard to win this shit while throwing other candidates under the bus at the same time.

He definitely has incentives in both is NBA contract and Adidas deal. Definitely 7 figures, but probably 8. I'd be lobbying for myself too
 
Here he comes with this shit :lol:

Acting like this isn't how it goes anyway

The award is usually given to the best player on one of the best teams if not the best team

Which would disqualify Harden too since he ain't on the best team either

Westbrook averaged a triple double so if he wins it is what it is that shit is historical

Don't want to hear that shit breh because they have the shit too Nash twice who's team had the best record but Kobe had the better season
 
Nope... Now by no means can u have a 10 win team and win it, but basically using wins means your GM, possible injuries, etc should factor in to an individual performance award. Equal measure should be playoffs not number of wins.
 
He is right wins... should count. It is embarrassing for an MVP to collect his award and not receive it in front of his fans in the second round of the playoffs. An MVP usually, and should be for playoff seeds in either conference 1-4... those who can at least secure homecourt in the playoffs.
So the GM should share the award ad co MVP huh?
 
Under normal circumstances, sure.

But, if a nigga bugged all the way the fuck out like Westbrook did ...

...come on. How do you NOT reward that kind of effort? A triple-double average and you gon' say somebody is a MVP, simply because they were fortunate enough to have better teammates?

People have a prob with it because more than hand full of times he was stat padding when he didn't have too..

Nigga was hunting assist and rebounds.. comical type shit
 
No question #0 gets it
Russ Westbrook is a problem... Two more seasons and OKC will be a real issue... Sam Presti got plans
OKC = late 80s Chi
Golden State= late 80s Detroit
 
Don't want to hear that shit breh because they have the shit too Nash twice who's team had the best record but Kobe had the better season

But I said that's how it goes

They DO look at records and the mvps are typically given to the guy with the better record

Hardens team is 3rd in the West so it's not like they are at the top of the conference
 
But I said that's how it goes

They DO look at records and the mvps are typically given to the guy with the better record

Hardens team is 3rd in the West so it's not like they are at the top of the conference
Yeah but Houstons record is better than OKC
 
Explain to me how a PG hunting assist and a 6-3 player going hard for rebounds is a bad thing again?! :

Case in point against Phoenix.. game was over and it's 3 mins left and He was passing up wide open shots just to get that last assist and when it wasn't working Donovan finally took him out of the game..

Triple doubles come within the flow of the game.. it's a natural progression and not forced..
 
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