NBA Coaches = Interchangeable?

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Change You Can't Believe In
Why hiring a new coach won't solve your favorite NBA team's problems. (Unless the old coach was Isiah Thomas.)
By Ryan McCarthy|
Tuesday, Nov. 18, 2008


For almost one-quarter of the NBA's 30 teams, 2008 is a year of change. Whether it's Mike D'Antoni's fast-paced offense in New York or Larry Brown getting the lowly Charlotte Bobcats to "play the right way," fans in seven cities have new head coaches and great expectations. They shouldn't get their hopes up. Despite years of careful analysis, nobody has determined what it is that NBA coaches actually do.

In all sports, the coach's supposed mission is to impart wisdom to his callow charges. In the NBA, though, the students sometimes have just as much coaching experience as the teacher. Along with vets like D'Antoni and Brown, this year's new class includes Vinny Del Negro of the Bulls, who has never coached anyone on any level. Michael Curry, who replaced veteran NBA coach Flip Saunders in Detroit, has served just one year as an assistant. In a couple of years, both could very well be out of work. A back-of-the-envelope calculation shows that the average tenure of today's NBA coaches—the amount of time each coach has spent in his current job—is just more than three years, about a year shorter than the current figure for the NFL and MLB. (The figure is even smaller if you account for Jerry Sloan's tenure in Utah, which dates back to the Reagan administration.)

Del Negro and Curry are, of course, ex-NBA players—a reliable back door into the NBA coaching cabal. Hiring a contemporary pro, we're told, is a smart move—nobody can relate to today's player like a recently retired jock. But despite this hiring strategy, the NBA is the only league in which coaches regularly get "tuned out"—that being the condition in which players stop paying attention to everything that comes out of their boss's mouth. Just two years ago, Avery Johnson led the Dallas Mavericks to the NBA Finals. This summer, Mavs owner Mark Cuban reported that Johnson had alienated his players to the extent that they demanded trades unless he was fired. The players weren't traded. Instead, the Mavericks dumped Johnson and replaced him with Rick Carlisle, who had previously been tuned out by the Indiana Pacers.

If you think that being an NBA coach sounds a lot like having a position in human resources, you might be right. According to a new study co-authored by David Berri, an economist who runs the sports blog Wages of Wins, most NBA coaches are similar to company managers. In the study, Berri and his colleagues sought to investigate whether Adam Smith's theory that workers make up the value of an organization—and that managers are nothing more than "principal clerks"—applies to the NBA. The economists looked at a group of 19 longtime NBA coaches that had helmed multiple teams, using a Bill Jamesian statistic called Win Score to evaluate how players performed under their tutelage. Only eight of the 19 coaches had any statistically discernible effect on team performance. Seven had a positive impact, with Phil Jackson topping the chart. Next on the list: Rick Adelman, Rudy Tomjanovich, Rick Carlisle, Don Nelson, Flip Saunders, and Gregg Popovich. The only coach who had a demonstrably negative impact on his players: the historically inept Tim Floyd. (For what it's worth, Berri didn't study Isiah Thomas. The NBA coaches study hasn't been published yet; a version of it will be included in the 2009 book Stumbling on Wins, by Berri and Martin Schmidt.)

More interesting than the names on Berri's list is his finding that the influence of even the best coaches was statistically very small and was distinguishable only from the worst-rated coaches, like Floyd. Even title-winning, Hall of Fame coaches like Pat Riley and Larry Brown were shown to have almost no impact on their teams. Players leaving Riley-led teams actually got better (except, it seems, for Antoine Walker).

Before we jump to the conclusion that most NBA coaches are just clerks with clipboards, we must acknowledge the inherent problems with measuring a coach's impact. First, coaching is collaborative, and accounting for the effects of trainers and assistant coaches (think of Tex "Triangle Offense" Winter and defensive guru Tom Thibodeau) is pretty much impossible. Second, at the risk of sounding like a motivational speaker, can leadership even be measured? Could you come up with a statistic to evaluate Doc Rivers' use of Ubuntu?

It's also worth mentioning that not every basketball stats guy agrees with Berri. Dean Oliver, the director of quantitative analysis for the Denver Nuggets, examined NBA coaching in his 2004 book Basketball on Paper. Oliver's research was based on using various methods of establishing an expected number of wins, things like comparing a team's field goal percentage to its opponents'. Oliver then compared these expectations with a coach's actual record. His findings: Coaches like Phil Jackson can be worth up to an additional 12 wins per year. Oliver admits his methods have their limits, and even if a coach is exceeding expectations, it's hard to know exactly why. "I don't want to say seat of the pants, but many of the coaching decisions in the NBA are made so very quickly," Oliver says. "I'm not even sure that they could break down exactly what they were thinking at any given point in the game."

So, how do you know if your coach is doing anything worthwhile? To paraphrase Bill James, there's no consensus on what statistics should be on the back of a coach's trading card—in any sport. In basketball, where decisions are made on the fly, it's hard to break a game down into a set of discrete choices. Roland Beech, the statistical mastermind behind 82games.com, gave it his best shot, though. At the behest of ESPN columnist Bill Simmons, Beech created the Bad Coaching Index as a way to measure the efficacy of Doc Rivers' decisions. Beech compiled statistics on blown leads and offensive and defensive crunch time performance. The index, while mostly a goof, suggested that Rivers may not have been as bad as Simmons thought. Beech found that in 2004-05, Doc Rivers' Celtics came back to win 40 percent of the games in which they trailed in the fourth quarter, the fourth-best percentage in the NBA.

In the NFL and MLB, stat geeks and economists have made more serious attempts to measure the impact of similar situational decisions—that crucial call to the bullpen, the choice to go for it on fourth down. But even in the coach-as-deity world of the NFL, a place in which a writer can earnestly pen a tome called The Genius: How Bill Walsh Reinvented Football and Created an NFL Dynasty, there's still no magic data on coaching effectiveness. The same goes for baseball. In his 1997 book The Bill James Guide to Baseball Managers, the baseball writer came up with a makeshift ranking of the greatest field generals of all time but also insisted that there's no such thing as a good or bad manager. Instead, he argued, managers are specialists: Tony La Russa likes the hit-and-run, Bobby Cox loves to platoon, and Sparky Anderson is the king of the intentional walk.

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Head coach Mike D'Antoni of the New York Knicks

Berri's study shouldn't be interpreted to mean that NBA coaches don't have strengths and weaknesses. Mike D'Antoni and Don Nelson are known as offensive gurus; former Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy, who tutored Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau, is more defensive-minded. It's also probably not fair to assume that Berri's work supports the classic complaint that the NBA is dominated by the whims of self-serving millionaire athletes. NBA coaches seem to have their biggest impact when their tendencies blend with their players' quirks. (The New York Knicks' castoff group of shoot-first players seems to be doing fine in D'Antoni's run-and-gun offense.)

Still, in the NFL and MLB, the path to a head-coaching job is usually paved with years of toil as an assistant. Why is it that, in the NBA, inexperienced coaches can step in and succeed right away? (First-time coach Avery Johnson was named the NBA's coach of the year in his second season on the job; newbie Doc Rivers won it after his first.) Berri's contention is that an NBA coach's record is determined almost entirely by the quality of his players. The claim makes sense: In comparison with football and baseball, NBA statistics vary little from year to year. The job of an NBA coach, then, may be less about coaxing better performances out of athletes than about getting their skills and personalities to fit together. By the time a player has moved through the basketball machine to the NBA, he's a relatively finished product. Despite Mike D'Antoni's best efforts, the plodding center Eddy Curry is doomed to be himself. "Think about it," says Berri. "What is a coach going to say that will get Eddy Curry to rebound?"

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2008/11/change_you_cant_believe_in.html
 
A Former NBA Coach Argues That Coaches Are Not Responsible for Outcomes
Dave Berri
05/30/2013


The coaching carousel continues to spin in the NBA. In recent days, the Los Angeles Clippers – coming off the best season in franchise history – have decided not to bring back Vinny Del Negro as head coach. The Phoenix Suns — coming off their worst season since they were in expansion team in the late 1960s – have decided to turn to Jeff Hornacek to lead their team back to respectability. And the Atlanta Hawks – who were essentially average this last season – have turned to Mike Budenholzer to lead the team next year.

These are hardly the only teams to make a change. Since the end of the 2012-13 NBA season, the Brooklyn Nets, Charlotte Bobcats, Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons, Milwaukee Bucks, and Philadelphia 76ers have all decided that the person who coached the team at the end of this past season shouldn’t be around for the next season. In all, at least nine of the 30 NBA teams will have a new coach next year.

These changes – as I have argued before –will probably not make much difference. A study published in the International Journal of Sport Finance (full PDF here) – which I conducted with Mike Leeds, Eva Marikova Leeds, and Mike Mondello – found that most NBA coaches across a sample covering 30 years did not have a statistically significant impact on player productivity. And in other sports, we also have evidence that coaches cannot systematically change outcomes.

One would expect that coaches would disagree with these studies. Certainly a team is not likely to commit millions to a coach who claims the coaches really don’t matter. That is why I was surprised to read the following from Brendan Savage of mlive.com a few weeks ago. The article includes extensive quotes from Jeff Van Gundy, a former NBA coach (and current television broadcaster) whose brother (Stan Van Gundy) is actively seeking employment as an NBA coach.

Without mentioning Joe Dumars by name, Van Gundy blamed Detroit’s president of basketball operations – and not Lawrence Frank, who was fired… after two seasons – for the Pistons’ failure in the past few years.

Here’s what Van Gundy had to say when asked about the recent NBA coaching changes that included Doug Collins resigning in Philadelphia and Byron Scott getting fired in Cleveland.

“Detroit Pistons basketball slogan: When the going gets tough, we fire the coach,” Van Gundy said. “It’s unbelievable. It’s unbelievable. You know what surprises me, Chris? These new owners in Detroit have to be exceedingly bright to have made as much money as they have. And to be duped again that your G.M. tells you that the roster is good and the coach is bad … what was the problem with Michael Curry? What was John Kuester? Now Lawrence. They run through coaches and they haven’t even begun to address their problem. They have very little talent and very little basketball character. You combine that, you’re going to be in a long rebuild.

“I’m just surprised that when everybody acknowledges it’s a player’s league – everybody would agree with that – then the most important player or person in any organization is the person that picks the players. But we don’t, as organizations, examine them. We just take the easy way out time and time again. You lose, the G.M. convinces the owner ‘We got good players. It’s the coach’s fault.’ We fire the coach; we bring a new coach in; we continue to lose. We fire that coach, saying that ‘We have better players.’ It just goes on and on. It’s typical and I can’t believe that the Detroit owners fell for it. I just can’t believe it.”​

One suspects that the new owner of the Pistons “fell” for this story because this is the story coaches tell. NBA coaches are paid millions of dollars. To secure these contracts, one suspects that these coaches argue in the interview process that coaches are truly important.

But now we have a former coach (again, with a brother looking for work) telling a very different story. And again, I think the data supports what Jeff Van Gundy is saying.

As Van Gundy notes, the Pistons have recently gone through three coaches. And the Pistons have not had much success after these coaches came to Detroit. Before these coaches arrived, though, the Pistons were quite successful.

The difference, though, doesn’t appear to be the coach walking the sidelines. When the Pistons were successful the team simply employed more productive players.

To see this, let’s look back at the 2007-08 season. That year the Pistons won 59 games.

When we look at Wins Produced (calculation detailed here), we can see that most of these wins were produced by a minority of the team’s roster.

The Pistons in 2007-08 (numbers from theNBAgeek.com)

An average player produced 0.100 wins per 48 minutes (WP48). Of the players who played at least 1,000 minutes in 2007-08, five players were above average. And these five produced 46.2 of Detroit’s wins.

But since the end of the 2007-08 season, these players departed and/or aged. For example:

Chauncey Billups – who led the team with 15.0 Wins Produced – was traded for Allen Iverson after a few games in the 2008-09 season. Iverson was never as productive as Billups in 2007-08, so this trade didn’t help (something noted when the trade was made). One should note, Billups went on to have several more productive seasons with the Denver Nuggets (Iverson, though, was not very productive after the trade).

Tayshaun Prince (8.6 Wins Produced) was 27 in 2007-08. NBA players tend to peak in their mid-20s, so as expected, Prince began to offer less and less as time passed (until he was eventually traded to the Grizzlies this past season).

Antonio McDyess (7.8 Wins Produced) was part of the Iverson trade, but came back to the Pistons (at the age of 34) for the 2008-09 season. He then departed for the Spurs in 2009 (where his career ended after the 2010-11 season).

Richard Hamilton
(7.5 Wins Produced) was 29 in 2007-08. He did stay with the Pistons until the 2010-11 season, but not surprisingly, offered much less after 2008.

Jason Maxiell (7.2 Wins Produced) was only 24 in 2007-08 and is still on the Pistons roster. And although he was still above average through the 2009-10 season, as he has aged he has also offered less.​

For the Pistons to remain competitive, this production had to be replaced. And when Iverson’s contract expired at the end the 2008-09 season, the Pistons had an opportunity to acquire productive talent in the free agent market. Unfortunately, the Pistons – and specifically, this means Dumars — decided to spend much of this money on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva. At the time I noted that neither player had ever been very productive. And since this trade, neither Gordon nor Villanueva has been very productive.

Unfortunately for the Pistons, not only did the Gordon and Villanueva acquisitions fail to work out, the team also had trouble finding other productive players.

Again, the Pistons had five above average players in 2007-08. Here are ALL the above average players the Pistons have employed since 2008 (minimum 1,000 minutes played).

Player, Year: WP48, Wins Produced

Antonio McDyess, 2008-09: 0.214, 8.30

Jason Maxiell, 2008-09: 0.193, 5.65

Tayshaun Prince, 2008-09: 0.141, 8.97

Ben Wallace, 2009-10: 0.267, 11.00

Tayshaun Prince, 2009-10: 0.150, 5.19

Jonas Jerebko, 2009-10: 0.147, 6.83

Jason Maxiell, 2009-10: 0.121, 3.89

Greg Monroe, 2010-11: 0.192, 8.89

Ben Wallace, 2010-11: 0.190, 4.91

Tracy McGrady, 2010-11: 0.153, 5.38

Greg Monroe, 2011-12: 0.194, 8.41

Jonas Jerebko, 2011-12: 0.149, 4.55

Andre Drummond, 2012-13: 0.313, 8.11

Greg Monroe, 2012-13: 0.140, 7.85​

The list only includes eight names. Three of these players – Maxiell, McDyess, and Prince – were on the 2007-08 team. As noted, these players aged and so their production had to be replaced.

Two more names – Ben Wallace and Tracy McGrady – were both quite old when the Pistons added each to the roster. So both could hardly be thought of as the sort of players the Pistons were acquiring to build for the future.

That leaves us just three names. Jonas Jerebko, Greg Monroe, and Andre Drummond were all acquired in the draft. Of the 14 players drafted by the Pistons since 2008, these are the only players that have become productive players. So the Pistons have missed more than they have hit in the draft.

In sum, the Pistons – since 2008 – have not been adding enough productive players to contend. Joe Dumars – as Jeff Van Gundy notes – has been the person responsible for assembling these rosters. And he has also been the person who seems to believe that if he just finds the right coach, somehow these players – who generally do not have a history of producing large sums of wins – will somehow become productive NBA players. But the data says this is unlikely. Basketball players tend to be consistent across time, and changing coaches doesn’t often change what players offer on the court.

The good news is that the Pistons still have Drummond, Monroe, and Jerebko. So the cupboard is not bare. But also, the team needs more.

Can Joe Dumars be counted on to find those players? Or is he currently looking for the next Gordon or Villanueva?

We don’t know which players Dumars plans on adding. We do know that Dumars is currently looking for a coach. But as Jeff Van Gundy has argued, that is probably not going to make a difference. It is the players that matter. And until Dumars finds more productive players, fans of the Pistons (and yes, I am one of these) will continue to be disappointed.

http://www.freakonomics.com/2013/05...hat-coaches-are-not-responsible-for-outcomes/
 
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The Economics of Building an NBA Dynasty
In a player's league, general managers matter more than head coaches.
Matthew O'Brien
Jun 14 2013


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It's not easy being an NBA head coach these days (although being a millionaire helps). A record 12 of the league's 30 teams have let their coach go this off-season, and six of those clubs actually made the playoffs. But in this age of the punitive luxury tax, when developing the players you draft is even more premium, teams are less patient with their bench gurus.

But do teams have any idea what makes a good coach?

Not really. NBA coaching is something of a catch-22: You need to be successful in order to be successful. Coaches need the credibility to get players who are much less replaceable (and know it) to buy into their system and roles. In other words, it's not as much about Xs and Os -- there are only so many ways to run or defend a pick-and-roll -- as it is about managing egos and motivating players. That's why teams gravitate towards former head coaches, assistant coaches from top clubs, and players -- they can convincingly say they know what it takes to win in the league. (And that's possibly why college coaches who try to transition to the pros tend to have a harder time).

Of course, it's still a crap-shoot. Economists have found that most coaches don't statistically improve their teams' performances in any significant way. But what if front offices hired assistants from the few teams that have head coaches who make a difference? Matthew Yglesias of Slate thinks that might be the next frontier in exploitable inefficiencies: Rather than bringing in retreads or retired players, teams should poach top assistants from the Spurs or Lakers. In particular, Yglesias thinks the New Jersey Nets should have opted for former Lakers guard and Phil Jackson assistant Brian Shaw over the very recently retired former Nets star Jason Kidd.

But Matt should pay closer attention to recent history: Hiring a former assistant coach from a successful team is the most wrinkled page in the GM playbook.

New Jersey itself just went through two coaches with Spurs ties. Interim head coach P.J. Carlesimo served as San Antonio head man Gregg Popovich's deputy for five years -- and he had replaced Avery Johnson, another Spurs alum, who quarterbacked the team to its first championship back in 1999. Now, it's true that both Carlesimo and Johnson were retreads, but the fact that franchises would give them second (or third) chances shows how much rival teams keep trying to sprinkle the San Antonio pixie dust on themselves. As you can see in the chart below from SB Nation, seven head coaches last year had either coached or played under Gregg Popovich.

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This is a pretty impressive list of coaches. Sure, Vinny Del Negro doesn't have the best reputation, and Jacque Vaughn and Monty Williams are too soon into their rebuilding projects to judge, but Mike Brown and Avery Johnson have enjoyed real success. Both won NBA Coach of the Year and took a team to the NBA Finals ... but both also got let fired from their second job this past year. Indeed, Brown's got let go just five games into his Lakers tenure after his ill-fitted flirtation with the Princeton offense.

If it wasn't already clear, coaching is nowhere near a science. But front office management is much closer. Smart teams like the Spurs have always done a superior job identifying under-the-radar players who fit their system, but they've gotten even better at it with the Moneyball-ization of the NBA. I mean, just look at the roster of ex-Spurs execs above who have gone on to lead other teams after learning from Spurs GM R.C. Buford. It's incredible. Sam Presti probably has nightmares about giving away James Harden, but has nevertheless turned Oklahoma City into a perennial contender overnight; Kevin Pritchard lost his gamble on Greg Oden's knees holding up, but otherwise built up a strong team in Portland; and, in one of the biggest upsets in front office history, first-year GM Rich Hennigan somehow managed to almost win the Dwight Howard trade for Orlando, and robbed the Bucks of Tobias Harris.

But why have the Spurs' front office alums done better than its coaching alums? Well, building a team is a skill that, unlike motivating a team, doesn't depend on what the players think of you. Either you pick the right players or you don't -- and if you do the former, you can make a lot of coaches look good. After all, there might not be a statistical impact from who leads a team, but there sure is for who's on a team.

In other words, teams should stop trying to find the next Gregg Popovich, and focus on finding the next R.C. Buford.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/06/the-economics-of-building-an-nba-dynasty/276903/
 
why identical posts in 2 forums?

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Because if you didn't log into the main forum on the 17th you'd never see it and the sports forum doesn't seem to hurt from an overabundance of content.

And, I'll add, I sometimes do this with the political sub-forum, which actually has a pulse, and the main board and have seen very different threads develop on the two.
 
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