National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!)

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Conservative National Review Magazine made a bold declaration that if McCain loses NC, he's going to lose the election.

They have some tips on helping McCain beat Obama there, including getting the voters from the Eastern part of NC.

NC peeps, you know what you gotta do!

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Losing North Carolina

North Carolina was not supposed to be part of the discussion.

Once the Democratic primary was over, the state that had not voted for a Democratic president since 1976 — and had not been competitive since 1992 — was supposed to go quietly into its predictable “red” column and not be heard from again. It hasn’t worked out that way. Here we are in October with the candidates spending precious time in the state. And, according to which polls you see, either the Senator Barack Obama has a two-point lead or the race is at a 49-49 deadlock.
To those on the outside, North Carolina is seen as bedrock of southern conservatism, a state that gave rise to the career of Sen. Jesse Helms and gave Ronald Reagan a crucial 1976 primary victory. It is not a state, the conventional wisdom held, that could well cast its electoral votes for a Democrat and the first black nominee.

The reality within the state, however, is different. For starters, the state has long held a progressive streak, which propelled the careers of Democrats Terry Sanford and Frank Porter Graham and explains the tendency of voters to vote for Helms and John Edwards. The state also has a tendency to support Democrats for state offices, even while voting Republican for president or Senate. It’s a state that has become more “purple” over the years, as northerners flee high property taxes in New Jersey and New York and retire or relocate in growing areas throughout the state. North Carolina also has a large African-American population, estimated last year by the U.S. Census to be just over one quarter of the population.

In other words, Obama may have always had a shot here. Add to the demographic mix the current economic climate and especially the collapse of Charlotte-based Wachovia, who also has significant operations in Winston-Salem, and you have a state decidedly in play.

For Sen. John McCain to win what has become a battleground state, he will have to look back to May and take a few pages from the campaign playbook of Sen. Hillary Clinton. Clinton made a concerted effort to target conservative Democrats uncomfortable with Obama’s liberal record. She essentially ran a Republican campaign in a Democratic primary; appearing on programs such as The O’Reilly Factor and courting local press in conservative vote rich eastern North Carolina, including small but influential conservative newspapers such as the Dunn Daily Record.

Although Clinton did not win North Carolina, her campaign can serve as a road map for McCain to find the conservative Democrats and swing voters he needs to carry the state.

The Clinton campaign made it clear — they were targeting the East. It was a smart strategy — even for Democrats. Heck, maybe especially for Democrats, as North Carolina races are often won or lost in the East. In campaign after campaign, a dominant narrative among political reporters and observers has been the battle for the East.

Eastern North Carolina, as the Clinton campaign knew well, is a conservative area. It’s still the home of voters known as “Jessecrats,” conservative Democrats who generally vote Republican.


In addition, eastern North Carolina is flush with military and veteran voters predisposed to support McCain. In a state with the second highest population of military personnel in the nation, the overwhelming majority of personnel are found near military installations in eastern North Carolina such a Fort Bragg, Pope AFB, Seymour Johnson AFB and Cherry Point Air Station. These are McCain voters.

The McCain campaign was smart to send Governor Sarah Palin to Greenville, the largest city — and largest media market — in northeastern North Carolina. Swing voters in the region have shown a tendency to support Republican candidates. In 2004, the Northeast gave Senator Richard Burr his second highest margin of swing voters in the state — second only to his home region of the Triad.

McCain needs the South to be a Solid South. Without North Carolina, it is nearly impossible to see any scenario for a McCain victory. The recent poll numbers — and that Obama outspent McCain by more than $1M in the state just last week — are cause for concern. But even at this late date, we are still a long way out..

The North Carolina presidential race will be won in the east. Campaign after campaign has been fought there.

In the Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton demonstrated that there were a lot of North Carolina Democrats uneasy with Barack Obama. Her campaign essentially signaled who those voters were and where they lived.

Now it’s up to McCain to get them.
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

K,

Here are the latest poll numbers for North Carolina from Real Clear Politics:


Poll: Rasmussen
Date:
10/08 - 10/08
Sample: 700 Likely Voters
Obama: 49
McCain: 48
Spread: Obama + 1


Poll: Civitas/TelOpinion (R)
Date:
10/06 - 10/08
Sample: 600 Likely Voters
Obama: 48
McCain: 43
Spread: Obama + 5



Poll: SurveyUSA
Date:
10/05 - 10/06
Sample: 617 Likely Voters
Obama: 46
McCain: 49
Spread: McCain + 3



Poll: CNN/Time
Date:
10/03 - 10/06
Sample: 666 Likely Voters
Obama: 49
McCain: 49
Spread: Tie


Poll: PPP (D)
Date: 10/04 - 10/05
Sample: 1202 Likely Voters
Obama: 50
McCain: 44
Spread: Obama + 6


<font size="4">RCP (Real Clear Politics) Average
of the above polls:</font size>

Date: 10/03 - 10/08
Obama: 48.4
McCain: 46.6
Spread: <font size="3">Obama + 1.8 </font size>



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_mccain_vs_obama-334.html
 
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Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

Thanks. To close to call that state.

I really hope Obama takes NC. It would shatter the "solid south" Republicans have always prided themselves in Presidential Elections there.

I don't think Clinton was ever able to win North Carolina.
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

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Note:

In 2000, Bush took North Carolina over Gore by 12.8 points

In 2004, Bush took North Carolina over Kerry by 12.4 points.

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Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

I don't think Clinton was ever able to win North Carolina.
Bob Dole took North Carolina over Bill Clinton by 4.69% in 1996

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Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

Were is Micheal Jordan's support for Obama in North Carolina? Remember than when you covet those Air Jordans.
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

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North Carolina; Obama v. McCain
Polls through October 15, 2008:
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Poll: Research 2000
Date:
10/14 - 10/15
Sample: 600 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 4.0
Obama: 46
McCain: 44
Spread: Obama + 2 [/indent]



Poll: InAdv/PollPosition
Date:
10/13 - 10/13
Sample: 474 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 5.0
Obama: 48
McCain: 46
Spread: Obama + 2



Poll: Fox News/Rasmussen
Date:
10/12 - 10/12
Sample: 1,000 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 3.0
Obama: 48
McCain: 48
Spread: TIE



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Real Clear Politics (RCP) Average
of the above Polls for the period
October 12, 2008 - October 15, 2008:

Obama: 47.3
McCain: 46.0
Spread: Obama +1.3


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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_mccain_vs_obama-334.html
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

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'Socialist,' 'Muslim' — Ugly North
Carolina reception for Obama</font size></center>



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Obama's stop at a diner in Fayetteville, N.C.
underscores the continued resistance of some
voters to his candidacy—and his identity.
Photo: AP


By POLITICO STAFF
October 19, 2008


Barack Obama's stop at Cape Fear BBQ and Chicken in Fayetteville, N.C., this afternoon underscored the continued resistance of some voters to his candidacy — and his identity. The trip, according to a pool report, offered “some powerful and at times ugly interaction.”

Campaigning in a traditionally Republican state, the Democratic nominee found lots of supporters of John McCain, at least one woman who believes the Illinois senator is a "closet Muslim" — and another who repeatedly shouted “Socialist.”

The following is a compilation of pool reports from print, TV and wire reporters who accompanied Obama to the diner:

Obama arrived at the barbecue joint around 12:30 p.m., where an older and majority white clientele of several dozen were eating lunch after church services. Many patrons applauded as he walked into the diner, but Diane Fanning, 54, began yelling “Socialist, socialist, socialist — get out of here!”

Obama did not look directly at her, as she was across the diner, but it was loud enough that he most likely heard her.

The gentleman next to Fanning, Lenox Bramble, 76, flashed an angry look at her. “Be civil, be courteous,” he admonished her. Another woman, Cecilia Hayslip, 61, yelled back at Fanning (per Reuters), “At least he’s not a warmonger!”

Bramble told Reuters’ pooler that he wasn’t voting for Obama because he didn’t think he had enough experience. Bramble’s wife, Kit, 75, said after meeting Obama, “He was very nice,” but added she’d been a conservative Republican since Barry Goldwater’s era and said she wouldn’t vote for Obama.

Fanning said she’d heard that former Secretary of State Colin Powell had endorsed Obama but said that “Colin Powell is a RINO, R-I-N-O, Republican In Name Only.”

Later, Obama came to the long table where Fanning and other members of a local First Presbyterian church were gathered. He held out his hand to her and asked, “How are you, ma’am?” but she declined to shake his hand.

Fanning asked Obama about a North American union, and Obama responded: “Well, you know, I am opposed to it if it were happening. But it doesn’t seem to be actually be happening. The truth of the matter is there is no plans. I’ve talked to a lot of people, including folks down in Texas. There’s no plan to create a common government between Mexico, U.S. and Canada. That’s just not … that’s just not happening. I know some people have been hearing rumors about it. But as far as I can tell, that’s just not something that’s happening. We would never give up our sovereignty in that way. Any other questions?

In an interview, Fanning said, “I still think he’s a closet Muslim.”

Obama spoke at length with many of the others parishioners at the long banquet table and got a much friendlier reception as he spoke about health care, taxes and Social Security. Fanning told your pooler, “Some of ‘em are just nicer than I am. I know how some of ‘em think.”

But several of her fellow churchgoers said their support was genuine.

Betty Waylett, 76, told Obama, “You’re doing a great job.” She told your pooler that she is a Republican but that she will vote for Obama because she likes the way he speaks and his manner. Waylett, who is white, said Obama’s race is not a factor. “I never thought about it one way or the other.”

Pastor Randal Bremer, also at the table, said Obama told him, “Whether you vote for me or not, I’ll need your prayers.”

“I’m very impressed by his ability to meet people on a down-to-earth level,” Bremer said in an interview. He said that he would pray for Obama but that he planned to vote for McCain, mostly because he prefers smaller government and McCain’s position on the Iraq war. He thinks there have been important gains in Iraq, and “I don’t want to see that damaged by a premature pullout.”

Mike Long, 33, a first-time voter in furniture sales, said after talking with Obama about health care that he’d gone from less than 50 percent likely to vote for him to “98 percent” likely.

Sheila Evans, 39, who is biracial, told Obama, “I’m so proud of you.” She told your pooler Obama had chosen a restaurant frequented more by whites, while one a couple of doors down had predominantly African-American diners on Sundays.

But some of the other older white diners looked surprised and slightly uncomfortable as Obama stopped at their tables to shake hands. “I’m surprised, but I’m not going to say anything else,” said Pat Smith, who was joined by her husband.

A group of six retired women said they were mostly Democrats — but mostly undecided about how to vote.

“I have to pray about it, think about what’s best for our country,” said Dorothy Buie, one of the women.

Obama ordered some food to go for himself and his aides. They ordered chicken, collards, baked beans, slaw and wings. The tab was $13.91. The visit lasted about half an hour.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14728.html
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

I have always said if Obama wins Virgina and North Carolina, the election will be over by 9pm Nov. 4th. The rest will confirm a landslide.
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

i live in NC and me and 2 of my boys went to go vote yesterday...and while we were down there a few people who came in (black people) were told that they had already voted:confused:... one of them said "how did i vote already,this my first time every tryin to vote?!?" another guy that i knew was tryin to register to vote even though it was to late to do so...and the lady at the desk (white lady) told him "that he was already registered and that he had voted already" he said "how did i vote already when i havent even registered yet?" tell me why she said "well somebody must have registered u without u knowing":hmm:
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

^^That's wild:smh:

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama will hold a rally Wednesday on Halifax Mall outside the Legislative Building in downtown Raleigh. Gates open at 10 a.m., and the program begins at 11:15 a.m.

The event is free and open to the public. Tickets are not required.

Michelle Obama also will campaign for her husband in the state on Wednesday.

She will speak to the General Baptist State Convention of North Carolina around midday on Wednesday; the event is open only to convention attendees.

Later Wednesday, she will hold a rally at Rocky Mount Senior High School, 308 South Tillery St., Rocky Mount. Doors open at 3:30 p.m. The event is free and open to the public, and tickets are not required.
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

i live in NC and me and 2 of my boys went to go vote yesterday...and while we were down there a few people who came in (black people) were told that they had already voted:confused:... one of them said "how did i vote already,this my first time every tryin to vote?!?" another guy that i knew was tryin to register to vote even though it was to late to do so...and the lady at the desk (white lady) told him "that he was already registered and that he had voted already" he said "how did i vote already when i havent even registered yet?" tell me why she said "well somebody must have registered u without u knowing":hmm:

:eek::smh::smh::smh::smh:
 
Re: National Review: If McCain Loses North Carolina, He Loses the Election (NC Heads!

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North Carolina; Obama v. McCain
Polls through October 15, 2008:
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Poll: Research 2000
Date:
10/14 - 10/15
Sample: 600 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 4.0
Obama: 46
McCain: 44
Spread: Obama + 2 [/indent]



Poll: InAdv/PollPosition
Date:
10/13 - 10/13
Sample: 474 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 5.0
Obama: 48
McCain: 46
Spread: Obama + 2



Poll: Fox News/Rasmussen
Date:
10/12 - 10/12
Sample: 1,000 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 3.0
Obama: 48
McCain: 48
Spread: TIE



<font size="4">
Real Clear Politics (RCP) Average
of the above Polls for the period
October 12, 2008 - October 15, 2008:

Obama: 47.3
McCain: 46.0
Spread: Obama +1.3


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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_mccain_vs_obama-334.html

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North Carolina; Obama v. McCain
Polls through October 26, 2008:
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Poll: Reuters/Zoghby
Date:
10/23 - 10/26
Sample: 601 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 4.1
Obama: 50
McCain: 46
Spread: Obama + 4



Poll: NBC/Mason Dixon
Date:
10/22 - 10/24
Sample: 800 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 3.0
Obama: 47
McCain: 47
Spread: TIE



Poll: Fox News/Rasmussen
Date:
10/26 - 10/26
Sample: 1,000 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 3.0
Obama: 48
McCain: 49
Spread: McCain + 1.0



Poll: WSOC - TV
Date:
10/20 - 10/21
Sample: 500 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 4.0
Obama: 48
McCain: 46
Spread: Obama + 2


Poll: CNN/Time
Date:
10/19 - 10/21
Sample: 644 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 4.0
Obama: 51
McCain: 47
Spread: Obama + 4



Poll: Survey/USA
Date:
10/18 - 10/20
Sample: 627 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 4.0
Obama: 47
McCain: 47
Spread: TIE



Poll: Politico/InAdv
Date:
10/19 - 10/19
Sample: 619 Likely Voters
Error Margin: 3.6
Obama: 49
McCain: 48
Spread: Obama + 1



<font size="4">
Real Clear Politics (RCP) Average
of the above Polls for the period
October 18, 2008 - October 26, 2008:

Obama: 48.6
McCain: 47.1
Spread: Obama +1.5


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Dissecting the vote:
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Raleigh News & Observer
By Michael Biesecker and
David Bracken
Saturday, November 8, 2008


RALEIGH — The area of North Carolina known as the Triangle — Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill — is turning bluer.

John McCain got nearly 6,000 more votes in Wake County on Tuesday than George W. Bush did four years ago. Even so, Barack Obama crushed McCain on the same turf -- flipping Wake from red to blue with the help of independents and more than 47,000 newly registered Democrats.

Cary resident Nancy Anderson was a life-long Republican until this year, when she switched her party affiliation and voted for Obama.

"It was the candidate," said Anderson, 58. "He's got a mix of pastor, parent and statesman. [The Republicans] probably won't win my vote back."

In heavily Democratic Durham and Orange counties, there are now about 7,500 fewer registered Republicans than in 2004, though the total number of voters has grown.

"I think people moving into the area are more cosmopolitan, more sophisticated," said Amy Ford, 40, of Chapel Hill. "I was hoping Obama could pull off a win here -- but when he did, I was surprised."

Even in Johnston County, where the GOP still rules, this week's electoral results show Democrats gaining.

All told, Obama beat McCain by 15 percentage points across five Triangle counties -- Wake, Durham, Orange, Chatham and Johnston -- a decisive margin that helped him become the first Democrat since Jimmy Carter, in 1976, to carry North Carolina.

Farther down Tuesday's ballot, candidates such as newly elected Wake commissioner Stan Norwalk rode a wave of Obama-inspired straight-ticket voters, giving Democrats control of the county board for the first time in six years.

Durham resident Jenny Peters, who grew up in St. Louis, updated her Facebook page online this week to proclaim that she now lives in a blue state.

A friend from Missouri -- where the presidential tally remains too close to call but leans toward McCain -- replied in a text message, "Don't rub it in."

"I think it's a fundamental change in the population of the state, more so than a change in the people who are already here," said Peters, 45. "And that will feed on itself, because people who wouldn't have wanted to move to North Carolina because it's so conservative would possibly want to move here now."

Trouble ahead for GOP?

The trend has some Republicans worried. Tom Beaird, 57, a life-long GOP voter from Holly Springs, longs for the days when steadfastly conservative candidates were reliable winners.

He fears that even a Republican icon like the late U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms couldn't be elected now, as the state and the Triangle become more urban and culturally diverse.

"Southern white males, they don't enjoy the status they once did," Beaird said. "I fit that mold -- and I'm on the outside looking in."

Though it is true that minority voters turned out in high numbers and many new arrivals appear to have voted for Obama, an analysis of the results across the five counties suggests that many Triangle residents who supported Bush in 2004 didn't vote for McCain in 2008.

In Wake County, at least 11 precincts that went for Bush in 2004 appear to have gone for Obama this year. As the ballots of early voters are added to the precinct-by-precinct totals by elections officials in the coming weeks, even more of Wake County is likely to turn blue.

One such precinct votes at Brier Creek Community Center in northwest Raleigh, which voted heavily for Bush four years ago. On Tuesday, it went for Obama.

Beverly Vollat, who lives near Brier Creek Country Club, said she switched from Republican to Democrat when she and her husband relocated from Ohio in January.

Vollat said she was turned off in recent years by the Republican Party's rhetoric, which she described as mean and counterproductive.

"It's like the old boys, they haven't kept up," said Vollat, 57. "It's a new world. We need to be looking for different ways of trying things."

In Obama, Vollat saw a candidate with the ability to handle challenges gracefully. "I love the man's temperament," she said.

Skeptical of big shift

Andrew Taylor, a political science professor at N.C. State University, said voters such as Vollat could always switch again.

"They may be a Republican in a different kind of year," he said. "It's the context of the election and the nature of the candidate."

Carter Wrenn, a Republican strategist in Raleigh, doubts this year's election will prove transformational. Besides the increased turnout among blacks, Wrenn said he doesn't see anything like a permanent shift in the way the Triangle and the state will vote in the future.

"The election didn't come down to some big trend in terms of demographics," Wrenn said. "It came down to a verdict on eight years of Republican government. If we [Republicans] really want to correct that, we have got to figure out how to govern better."

Chris Hawk, 36, a luxury-car salesman who voted for Bush in 2004, said disenchantment with the outgoing president was not the reason he supported Obama. He thinks Bush has done a good job. Hawk, who lives in North Raleigh with his wife and 12-year-old son, said Obama's tax plan would provide him with more relief than the Republican proposal.

But it was McCain's selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate that he described as the final nail in the coffin.

"I didn't want an old hothead in the White House with Sarah Palin as vice president," said Hawk, who is registered as unaffiliated. "[Obama's] demeanor matches mine. I'm in sales. You typically buy from somebody you know and like."

For now, at least, the Triangle is buying Obama.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/55538.html
 
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