I know it's messing with Trumps head, and there ain't a damn thing he can do about it. He wants it over and done with.
Nancy Polosi is Fucking With Republicans By Not Sending Article's Of Impeachment To Senate...Brilliant Move Or Not?
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Absolutely a brilliant move!
This. They thought it would be a quick kangaroo court. Pelosi played them like the cheating bitches they are.
Let's see what happens. If the Dems can get Senate control after the election. It's curtains for Trump whether he wins the election or not.
Should call it the " No change during election year McConnell rule"
Should call it the " No change during election year McConnell rule"
Chess move... Classic mind fuck on Agent Orange.... MADE HIS DUMB ASS WANNA TESTIFY... Reverse pshcology at it's finest...
Trump will win a second term.
bruh she aint got to deliver the articles of impeachment AT ALL.
Yes she can a little longer
Not
So many precedents being made during this chumps presidency.
US is slowly but surely moving towards a Banana republic status...Politics are too partisan.
So many precedents being made during this chumps presidency.
US is slowly but surely moving towards a Banana republic status...Politics are too partisan.
no its not...evidently there are some missing pieces that the bruhs missed. let me state for the record that i dont support trump nor the repugs or demorats. but here is the problem. if they send the impeachment findings to the senate for a trial. there is zero doubt that trump is going to bring up all the dirt of the democrats regarding ukraine. i mean joe bidens son getting paid 50k a month for a job he was unqualified for along with 3 other high democrats including pelosi, jon kerry, and i forgot who the last one was. if they bring up trump on charges his lawyers will definitely have reason in launch an investigation into the ukraine deal and all these rich democrats that have their kids working for the ukraine oil/gas company with ridiculous salaries....this will expose the dirty deeds of the demorcrats too....see i tell you they are both wings of the same dirty bird. we are witnessing nothing but political theater in the mean time wasting tax payer money and flint still dont got clean water. demorats are getting desprate bc they got noone to beat trump yet.....even HRC talking bout coming out the woodworks later. fuq all of them. they not working for the american people they working for the corporations and themselves.
Nope
Repubs had he house and senate at the time and saw nothing wrong then. Lets not even get started on trumps shady ass family winning patents and contracts out the blue...
She has to sent it within a certain time frame.
You cannot hold on to the articles for too long.
Just like the senate cannot deny and not hold trial once they receive the articles.
I don’t see what the democrats end game is here. Republicans only have to defend 3 seats in 2020. Let’s just say the democrats win all 3 seats
You still need another 15 GOP senators to convict. The democrats will still have too wait until 2022 to get enough seats to meet the 2/3 senate requirement.
You cannot hold on to the articles for too long.
Just like the senate cannot deny and not hold trial once they receive the articles.
I don’t see what the democrats end game is here. Republicans only have to defend 3 seats in 2020. Let’s just say the democrats win all 3 seats
You still need another 15 GOP senators to convict. The democrats will still have too wait until 2022 to get enough seats to meet the 2/3 senate requirement.
Still don’t understand the democrats overall strategy. She is eventually going to have to send the articles over and then she is still going to look stupid for delaying it.
I don’t understand how delaying the articles changes anything ? Unless they want to wait until 2022. Senate takes over January 2023 which is pretty pointless as trump will leave office 2024 anyway if he gets re-elected.
The Senate doesn't want to have witnesses. They just want to acquit Trump and let him take a victory lap like he did after the Muller report, for the next 11 months. The dems want 4 people with direct knowledge that the WH wouldn't allow to testify. Once they are under oath, either they toast Trump, or perjure themselves and possibly go to jail trying to cover for him.
Nancy has said she can't appoint managers until she knows how Mitch is going to run the trial. I don't think this is the true reason, but it's put the GOP in disarray for a bit, and it's bringing to public attention what the Senate is trying to do to give time for the public to apply pressure to GOP members when they go home on break.
I don’t know if your not going to send over the articles why rush impeachment. The democrats could of went to the Supreme Court, remember Nixon and Clinton trials took over 2 years worth of investigations calling witnesses and they also had a independent prosecutor.
This impeachment is only 12 weeks. Quickest in American history.
Still don’t see there end game. But only time will tell we will see who blinks first.
I have my money that Democrats will blink first.
You need 75 senators out 100 to convict. Which means majority of the senate and there best shot is 2022 and I still doubt there is going to be 75 democrat senator seats
GOP does not have to take her case. If they don’t want too.
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The impeachment needed to happen because Trump was trying to manipulate the 2020 elections again. Congress had already gone to court over people like McGahn not appearing when subpoenaed during the MUELLER investigation. A judge ruled he needed to comply, but they are appealing again to the SCOTUS. By the time Trump stops stalling via court, we'd be in Trumps 6th year. We couldn't count on the election being fair to simply let the voters decide.
At this point I consider the delay symbolic because everyone was going on Christmas break and no action would be taking place now anyway. It serves the purposes I stated in my other post tho... public pressure to ensure witnesses, or consequences if they don't hold a proper trial. Even if the Senate acquits, the dems want Trumps actions public so the voting public can have the facts and vote accordingly come 2020.
McConnell and Senate republicans were also supposed to hold hearings, votes and consideration of Obama's supreme court pick but they never did. They claimed it shouldn't be done during an election year.
Well...McConnell and other senate republicans are on tape saying they are working directly with the White House. They have already proven that they are no type of objectional jury. That and they refuse to allow witnesses. That is not the makings of a real type of trial.
Maybe she got inside knowlege. If Rudy and some of the other pieces start to fall and/or get in trouble...its still looking pretty bad on Trump heading into the election.
Yes but if the democrats were smart. I would just do a regular impeachment trial. Keep calling witness, I will go to the Supreme Court. I would keep impeachment in the tv airwaves as long as possible during the election.
Moscow Mitch is not going to bend to the democrats if you know his track record. If she delays the acticles.
The GOP Senate does not have to take the case and in the Public Eye, it will look like the democrats are just playing games especially with independent voters.
I Also don't see what is the point of wasting time and calling witnesses We already know the end game in the senate. The GOP is not going to convict. They have already made up there mind especially when no GOP members voted in the house.
Dems have said they are still investigating his conduct, and there have been some FOIA requests that has brought more info forward, so I think more info will come out regardless.
Trump has said he would allow people to testify in the senate, because he thinks it would be beneficial with the GOP in charge. The Senate can refuse to call witnesses tho, they can do this and only allow dems to make a case based on what we have already heard. I think it's an excuse, but Nancy said she needs to know which it will be because the people better at questioning will be different than the ones who would make a case.
The thing is, if what we have heard so far is true, and I'm pretty sure it is, then ANY witness they bring will either have to lie under oath and risk jail time, or tell the truth that Trump committed a crime. So the GOP doesn't want witnesses. Witnesses are damaging to Trump if they tell the truth. Impeachment is mostly outside the purview of the SCOTUS. Chief Justice is largely ceremonial.
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A classic, who is going to blink first
tweet thread...
(SUMMARY) The status of the articles of impeachment is this: Pelsoi and McConnell are fine with the status quo, and Trump is livid. If you understand negotiations, you understand this means Pelosi is winning. In the next tweet I'll tell you the one thing that could defeat Pelosi.
1/ The fact that media has waded into the negotiations because a) they want a Senate trial for ratings and b) the sort of analysts they favor are those whose inherent conservatism of logic favors tradition means that media *is one of the negotiators*.
And they're hurting Pelosi.
2/ It is hard to watch media play a role in history they won't acknowledge. But every cable news segment I've seen has either featured an analyst who wrongly implies the focus has "already moved to the Senate" (hurting Pelosi) or an anchor who assumes McConnell will get his way.
3/ The reality: the passing of articles of impeachment initiated a *negotiation process* in which Schumer and McConnell *would* have been the only players had McConnell not (a) admitted he's just a proxy for Trump (the defendant), and (b) wrongly presumed he had all the leverage.
4/ Once McConnell overplayed his hand by not being willing to give an inch to Schumer and being slave to the president's desires, he *opened up the negotiation* to a third party:
Pelosi. From that moment on, this was a joint, House-Senate negotiations process with 3 key players.
5/ The *only* legitimate analysis regarding "where the articles are at now" is to say that they're sitting in the center of a table at which four people are sitting: Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, and Trump. And if you understand that, you understand who is winning the negotiations.
6/ Here's the situation of each party at the table:
PELOSI: She's already won—inasmuch as she passed the articles. There's nothing more for her to gain except a) more time for investigation, b) more time for litigation, c) potentially a "real" Senate trial of the articles.
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PELOSI (cont.): Pelosi is running the table because she's the one with nothing to lose and the one who therefore wins in almost any scenario. The trial doesn't take place until 2021? She wins. A *real* trial in 2020? She wins. A long delay so more articles can come? She wins.
8/
PELOSI (cont.): A delay that pushes the issue closer to the election? She wins. A delay allowing for more investigation? She wins. A delay allowing for more litigation? She wins. America gets bored and temporarily forgets the articles? They'll eventually remember—so she wins.
9/
MCCONNELL: McConnell wants this over—which means he's losing, because that's out of his control and likely won't happen soon. He also needs to please the president—which he's not, so he's losing there too. He thinks he has a rhetorical advantage, but he doesn't: another loss.
10/
MCCONNELL: The Senate Majority Leader doesn't have a rhetorical advantage because America has already spoken via polling *and it wants a real trial*—which he doesn't (and which his master, Trump, actually doesn't either, unless he's forced into it to get *any* trial at all).
11/
SCHUMER: Schumer wants a real trial—and to a lesser extent, doesn't want to look diminished relative to the House generally and Speaker Pelosi specifically. But he more than anyone at the table is a bit player who's central and a bystander at once, and may want it that way.
12/
TRUMP: Trump knows he'll win *either* a real trial *or* a fake one—though the former could be a much closer vote, as witnesses could *really* hurt him—but has been laboring for so long under the delusion he and McConnell are in control he's now flummoxed to find it's untrue.
13/ So with the four chief negotiators situated in this way, Pelosi is winning because Trump is volatile and a child and compulsive and brash and over-confident and most importantly controls McConnell. So in time, McConnell will have to bend to the weakest "player" at the table.
14/ Only one thing can change the dynamic, and right now it's the biggest threat to this playing out in a way that's consistent with how a negotiator would assess the situation: the media. The media could interfere in the process—while saying it's not—to save Trump and McConnell.
15/ So, the fifth player:
MEDIA: Media wants a trial for ratings. If it can't get it when it wants it, it'll throw a tantrum and identify a villain so it can run a process story with bite. The clearest villain to identify here—because she's making things unpredictable—is Pelosi.
16/
MEDIA: Media gets its way by misreporting stories and bringing in analysts who'll give an assist to misreporting. It doesn't necessarily do so maliciously; it does it because it has an institutional bias—at all levels—for moving a story toward where the media needs it to be.
17/ So what you'll see in media are erroneous statements about how this is "supposed" to play out, erroneous statements about who has the power here, erroneous statements about what Trump "wants" (which he consistently lies about) and conservative judgments about who's "winning."
18/ Sans media pressure, Pelosi *will* win this. Trump will force McConnell to give a little to Pelosi and Schumer on witnesses, and there'll be a trial with one or two live witnesses that Pelosi and Schumer will rightly deem a "win" and that will make the conviction vote closer.
19/ *Or* Pelosi will win because Trump/McConnell give up on a trial for now—which leads to four scenarios that all benefit Pelosi: a real *or* fake trial closer to the election; a delay that permits more investigation and litigation; more articles from new evidence; a 2021 trial.
20/ The *worst* that happens for Pelosi is that America forgets all about the trial and the media moves on, but that's actually fine—because *if* new damaging evidence emerges, Pelosi can always jump-start this issue in a thousand ways because the ball will still be in her court.
21/ The only way Pelosi loses is if media intercedes to make her to deal away her power before Trump blows a gasket and forces McConnell to cut a deal (to get him his fake exoneration). Trump won't last long, so you'd think Pelosi's in good shape—but media won't last long either.
22/ Media is so accustomed to getting its way *and* not recognizing how *it shaped the situation* to get its way—it always *feels* noble and aloof and objective even when its institutional biases shifted a story one way or another—that it doesn't appreciate what a behemoth it is.
23/ Already a narrative is forming: "liberal lawyers pushed Pelosi to this"; "the focus has now shifted to the Senate"; "there will, of course, eventually be a trial and Trump will be acquitted"; "McConnell is very happy with what's happening"—all false narratives that aid Trump.
24/ So my assessment as someone who negotiated cases daily for years and years is that with four players at the table, Pelosi would definitely have won and her strategy would have been airtight. With five players—media included—at the table, it's a contest of wills and who knows.
tweet thread...
(SUMMARY) The status of the articles of impeachment is this: Pelsoi and McConnell are fine with the status quo, and Trump is livid. If you understand negotiations, you understand this means Pelosi is winning. In the next tweet I'll tell you the one thing that could defeat Pelosi.
1/ The fact that media has waded into the negotiations because a) they want a Senate trial for ratings and b) the sort of analysts they favor are those whose inherent conservatism of logic favors tradition means that media *is one of the negotiators*.
And they're hurting Pelosi.
2/ It is hard to watch media play a role in history they won't acknowledge. But every cable news segment I've seen has either featured an analyst who wrongly implies the focus has "already moved to the Senate" (hurting Pelosi) or an anchor who assumes McConnell will get his way.
3/ The reality: the passing of articles of impeachment initiated a *negotiation process* in which Schumer and McConnell *would* have been the only players had McConnell not (a) admitted he's just a proxy for Trump (the defendant), and (b) wrongly presumed he had all the leverage.
4/ Once McConnell overplayed his hand by not being willing to give an inch to Schumer and being slave to the president's desires, he *opened up the negotiation* to a third party:
Pelosi. From that moment on, this was a joint, House-Senate negotiations process with 3 key players.
5/ The *only* legitimate analysis regarding "where the articles are at now" is to say that they're sitting in the center of a table at which four people are sitting: Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, and Trump. And if you understand that, you understand who is winning the negotiations.
6/ Here's the situation of each party at the table:
PELOSI: She's already won—inasmuch as she passed the articles. There's nothing more for her to gain except a) more time for investigation, b) more time for litigation, c) potentially a "real" Senate trial of the articles.
7/
PELOSI (cont.): Pelosi is running the table because she's the one with nothing to lose and the one who therefore wins in almost any scenario. The trial doesn't take place until 2021? She wins. A *real* trial in 2020? She wins. A long delay so more articles can come? She wins.
8/
PELOSI (cont.): A delay that pushes the issue closer to the election? She wins. A delay allowing for more investigation? She wins. A delay allowing for more litigation? She wins. America gets bored and temporarily forgets the articles? They'll eventually remember—so she wins.
9/
MCCONNELL: McConnell wants this over—which means he's losing, because that's out of his control and likely won't happen soon. He also needs to please the president—which he's not, so he's losing there too. He thinks he has a rhetorical advantage, but he doesn't: another loss.
10/
MCCONNELL: The Senate Majority Leader doesn't have a rhetorical advantage because America has already spoken via polling *and it wants a real trial*—which he doesn't (and which his master, Trump, actually doesn't either, unless he's forced into it to get *any* trial at all).
11/
SCHUMER: Schumer wants a real trial—and to a lesser extent, doesn't want to look diminished relative to the House generally and Speaker Pelosi specifically. But he more than anyone at the table is a bit player who's central and a bystander at once, and may want it that way.
12/
TRUMP: Trump knows he'll win *either* a real trial *or* a fake one—though the former could be a much closer vote, as witnesses could *really* hurt him—but has been laboring for so long under the delusion he and McConnell are in control he's now flummoxed to find it's untrue.
13/ So with the four chief negotiators situated in this way, Pelosi is winning because Trump is volatile and a child and compulsive and brash and over-confident and most importantly controls McConnell. So in time, McConnell will have to bend to the weakest "player" at the table.
14/ Only one thing can change the dynamic, and right now it's the biggest threat to this playing out in a way that's consistent with how a negotiator would assess the situation: the media. The media could interfere in the process—while saying it's not—to save Trump and McConnell.
15/ So, the fifth player:
MEDIA: Media wants a trial for ratings. If it can't get it when it wants it, it'll throw a tantrum and identify a villain so it can run a process story with bite. The clearest villain to identify here—because she's making things unpredictable—is Pelosi.
16/
MEDIA: Media gets its way by misreporting stories and bringing in analysts who'll give an assist to misreporting. It doesn't necessarily do so maliciously; it does it because it has an institutional bias—at all levels—for moving a story toward where the media needs it to be.
17/ So what you'll see in media are erroneous statements about how this is "supposed" to play out, erroneous statements about who has the power here, erroneous statements about what Trump "wants" (which he consistently lies about) and conservative judgments about who's "winning."
18/ Sans media pressure, Pelosi *will* win this. Trump will force McConnell to give a little to Pelosi and Schumer on witnesses, and there'll be a trial with one or two live witnesses that Pelosi and Schumer will rightly deem a "win" and that will make the conviction vote closer.
19/ *Or* Pelosi will win because Trump/McConnell give up on a trial for now—which leads to four scenarios that all benefit Pelosi: a real *or* fake trial closer to the election; a delay that permits more investigation and litigation; more articles from new evidence; a 2021 trial.
20/ The *worst* that happens for Pelosi is that America forgets all about the trial and the media moves on, but that's actually fine—because *if* new damaging evidence emerges, Pelosi can always jump-start this issue in a thousand ways because the ball will still be in her court.
21/ The only way Pelosi loses is if media intercedes to make her to deal away her power before Trump blows a gasket and forces McConnell to cut a deal (to get him his fake exoneration). Trump won't last long, so you'd think Pelosi's in good shape—but media won't last long either.
22/ Media is so accustomed to getting its way *and* not recognizing how *it shaped the situation* to get its way—it always *feels* noble and aloof and objective even when its institutional biases shifted a story one way or another—that it doesn't appreciate what a behemoth it is.
23/ Already a narrative is forming: "liberal lawyers pushed Pelosi to this"; "the focus has now shifted to the Senate"; "there will, of course, eventually be a trial and Trump will be acquitted"; "McConnell is very happy with what's happening"—all false narratives that aid Trump.
24/ So my assessment as someone who negotiated cases daily for years and years is that with four players at the table, Pelosi would definitely have won and her strategy would have been airtight. With five players—media included—at the table, it's a contest of wills and who knows.
yes
Well like I said I know Moscow Mitch, He is not eager for any impeachment trial.
Susan Collins and Cory Gardner are in purple states. So im sure they are happy about the delay in impeachment articles.
They do not want to vote on it.
That's from one of the FOIA requests I mentioned earlier. They are documents the WH refused to give Congress, but citizen groups got them, meaning they weren't classified or privileged. They were just obstructing to be obstructing and we have folk around here repeating the GOP RW talking point that this is too rushed and that the dems should have exhausted all options in court, tho they have been in court over subpoenas for a couple of years now. These talking points work on folks who don't have time to follow what's happening, tho.
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....by a wider margin than 2016.
Only because the democrats have weak candidates. If they had somebody that was charismatic that can deliver there message.
Trump would lose.
But they have nobody so most people will default like most re-election in the past 40 years.
piss off trump some lol. the outcome is a given. its like calling a timeout with a minute left and down by 20. might as well be a dick
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