My "Un-American" List

QueEx

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unamerican

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Main Entry: un–Amer·i·can
Pronunciation: \ˌən-ə-ˈmer-ə-kən\
Function: adjective
Date: 1818
: not American : not characteristic of or consistent with American customs, principles, or traditions </font size>

Meriam-Webster Online.


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<font size="3">un-American
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Adjective

1. not in accordance with the aims, ideals, or customs of the US

2. against the interests of the US

The Free Dictionary, online


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There are others, I am sure.

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un-American
n adjective
1 not in accordance with American characteristics.
2 United States contrary to the interests of the US and therefore treasonable.

DERIVATIVES
un-Americanism noun


Cf. Oxford English Dictionary
 
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Rush Limbaugh
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Who:
Near, if not at, the top of my list: Rush Limbaugh.

Why:
Not because he is a conservative; not because he doesn't have the God-given, if not Constitutional Right, to speak his piece. Having listened to this guy over the years and especially the last few days (including his CPAC rant and response to Michael Steele) I am convinced that his passions run deep enough, with respect to what HE believes is right, as to wreak havoc and ruin upon the ideas of another, even if that means destroying the very country and ideals, he claims to espouse.

There is simply no other way that I can fathom his current attack upon President Obama, the policies of Barack Obama and anyone WHOME HE BELIEVES even remotely - though not in-fact, appears to have an open <s>eye</s> <u>foot</u> towards those policies -- to the point that he would wage an agenda to block policies he doesn't like, malign people he doesn't like -- even if in his favored party, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, even if his war against that agenda hurts and brings ruin to the United States of America, the citizens of the United States of America including, but not limited to, the people whom he claims to represent.

To me, thats just plain, Un-American.​

QueEx
 
Hmmm...

i thought the guy was extremely consistent with american values and customs...:D
 
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Rush Limbaugh
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Who:
Near, if not at, the top of my list: Rush Limbaugh.

Why:
Not because he is a conservative; not because he doesn't have the God-given, if not Constitutional Right, to speak his piece. Having listened to this guy over the years and especially the last few days (including his CPAC rant and response to Michael Steele) I am convinced that his passions run deep enough, with respect to what HE believes is right, as to wreak havoc and ruin upon the ideas of another, even if that means destroying the very country and ideals, he claims to espouse.

There is simply no other way that I can fathom his current attack upon President Obama, the policies of Barack Obama and anyone WHOME HE BELIEVES even remotely - though not in-fact, appears to have an open <s>eye</s> <u>foot</u> towards those policies -- to the point that he would wage an agenda to block policies he doesn't like, malign people he doesn't like -- even if in his favored party, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, even if his war against that agenda hurts and brings ruin to the United States of America, the citizens of the United States of America including, but not limited to, the people whom he claims to represent.

To me, thats just plain, Un-American.​

QueEx

lol leaning towards the left on this one huh...

I'm curious, do you actually listen to his show, or you just hate that he put "fail" with "Obama" in the same sentence?
 
Hows This For Un-American?

Senators Obama, Clinton, Biden and Dodd Vote AGAINST English as our Official Language 33 Senators Voted Against English as America 's Official Language on June 6, 2007.

On Wed. 06 June 20 07, Colonel Harry Riley, USA , Ret. wrote:

Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348.... to make English America's official language is astounding.
 
actinanass said:
I'm curious, do you actually listen to his show, or you just hate that he put "fail" with "Obama" in the same sentence?
First, I'm not a newcomer to Rush, as is yourself. Secondly, I really try hard to look to what is actually being said (and sometimes what is omitted) to form my opinions -- which is actually what I get "paid" to do.

If you will note in the "Rush defacto thread" on this board, I posted a video along with a short transcript of what asshole said in the video. Also, if you check the youtube cite, you will find that there is no such transcript; thats because I listened to the vid a couple of times and made the transcription, myself. I did that because I like reading and I am of the opinion, perhaps mistakenly, that others prefer reading over video. For one reason, reading and re-reading and thinking and reading provides an analytical advantage (hell, that could just be my idiosyncracy not share by others) over just listening/seeing (and, most people read much faster than typical speach, hence, you can cover more ground).

Now, based on a whole lot of your comments, I would suggest you do something similar. You may not be able to do a transcript by listening a couple/3 times (my fingers are slowing down but I used to be clocked around 85 words per min at 90% accuracy) but you could certainly benefit by reading, or at least listening, more critically.

QueEx
 
Hows This For Un-American?

Senators Obama, Clinton, Biden and Dodd Vote AGAINST English as our Official Language 33 Senators Voted Against English as America 's Official Language on June 6, 2007.

On Wed. 06 June 20 07, Colonel Harry Riley, USA , Ret. wrote:

Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348.... to make English America's official language is astounding.
Which makes this thread, Very American: we get to say what does/does not float our boats; and to disagree without being disagreeable.

For the record, I didn't favor that decision. Hell, LOL, it could have (intentionally or un-intentionally ???) affected a lot of "us".

On the other hand, it would be hard to see how not making english the official language would have had the kind of deleterious upon our country to qualify as un-american as is Mr. Limbaugh's present crusade.

QueEx
 
Which makes this thread, Very American: we get to say what does/does not float our boats; and to disagree without being disagreeable.
QueEx

Agreed, popular speech doesn't need protection, it is unpopular speech that is protected by the 1st Amendment. I'm not questioning what others say, but rather, the language.


On the other hand, it would be hard to see how not making english the official language would have had the kind of deleterious upon our country to qualify as un-american as is Mr. Limbaugh's present crusade.

QueEx

I'd seriously, like to know the motivations behind this action, and I'll leave it at that.
 
First, I'm not a newcomer to Rush, as is yourself. Secondly, I really try hard to look to what is actually being said (and sometimes what is omitted) to form my opinions -- which is actually what I get "paid" to do.

If you will note in the "Rush defacto thread" on this board, I posted a video along with a short transcript of what asshole said in the video. Also, if you check the youtube cite, you will find that there is no such transcript; thats because I listened to the vid a couple of times and made the transcription, myself. I did that because I like reading and I am of the opinion, perhaps mistakenly, that others prefer reading over video. For one reason, reading and re-reading and thinking and reading provides an analytical advantage (hell, that could just be my idiosyncracy not share by others) over just listening/seeing (and, most people read much faster than typical speach, hence, you can cover more ground).

Now, based on a whole lot of your comments, I would suggest you do something similar. You may not be able to do a transcript by listening a couple/3 times (my fingers are slowing down but I used to be clocked around 85 words per min at 90% accuracy) but you could certainly benefit by reading, or at least listening, more critically.

QueEx

Makes sense now. You're writing is always so exceptional...in terms of just pure logic and clarity that now it makes sense to me...you are really a "pro" in that sense.
 
Hows This For Un-American?

Senators Obama, Clinton, Biden and Dodd Vote AGAINST English as our Official Language 33 Senators Voted Against English as America 's Official Language on June 6, 2007.

On Wed. 06 June 20 07, Colonel Harry Riley, USA , Ret. wrote:

Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348.... to make English America's official language is astounding.

I would hazard to guess they voted against that measure because it was an empty gesture meant to incite the sort of feelings in the right wing base that you are expressing now. Making English the "official" language of the U.S. means absolutely nothing. If you run a store in the Hispanic part of town and want to compete, are you going to find yourself a bilingual sales person or are you going to insist all of your customers speak English? Some day the majority of Americans may speak Spanish (it is actually highly likely Spanish will be spoken in a majority of households in this country in 50 years). When that day comes (and it likely will), does America cease being America because the people that comprise America no longer look like YOU or speak YOUR language?

That vote was not about being American or not being American, it was about pandering to simple-minded bigots who lack the intelligence to actually evaluate REAL issues and decide which side of them they fall upon and instead need to be fed "wedge issues" that get them riled up.

The people that penned that bill knew exactly what they were doing. You put that bill under a UV light and the word "English" turns into the phrase "White, Christian and speaks English".

I realize I (like ALL Americans these days) am supposed to pretend I don't see the coded messages thrown out to the right wing base by it's leadership, and even when I do see those messages plainly, I am supposed to lie and say I didn't, but since it is of no benefit to me, I'll pass.
 

Rush Limbaugh


Who:
Near, if not at, the top of my list: Rush Limbaugh.
Why:
Not because he is a conservative; not because he doesn't have the God-given, if not Constitutional Right, to speak his piece. Having listened to this guy over the years and especially the last few days (including his CPAC rant and response to Michael Steele) I am convinced that his passions run deep enough, with respect to what HE believes is right, as to wreak havoc and ruin upon the ideas of another, even if that means destroying the very country and ideals, he claims to espouse.

There is simply no other way that I can fathom his current attack upon President Obama, the policies of Barack Obama and anyone WHOME HE BELIEVES even remotely - though not in-fact, appears to have an open <s>eye</s> foot towards those policies -- to the point that he would wage an agenda to block policies he doesn't like, malign people he doesn't like -- even if in his favored party, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, even if his war against that agenda hurts and brings ruin to the United States of America, the citizens of the United States of America including, but not limited to, the people whom he claims to represent.

To me, thats just plain, Un-American.​
QueEx

The highlighted part makes him VERY American. Too many interest groups in this country has become zealots who would rather see the country fail than succeed on someone else's terms (even if it hurts them in the process).

This applies to the left and the right and extremists from every racial and cultural category.

Sad part is, the REAL silent majority falls well in the center, but you don't hear from them because they tend not to be the same sort of attention seekers that are drawn to the fringes (I guess you could call Ed Schultz the "Centrist Rush Limbaugh", but lets be real, a centrist is NEVER going to be as exciting as an extremist. Since when was simple common sense entertaining?
 
The highlighted part makes him VERY American. Too many interest groups in this country has become zealots who would rather see the country fail than succeed on someone else's terms (even if it hurts them in the process).

This applies to the left and the right and extremists from every racial and cultural category.

Sad part is, the REAL silent majority falls well in the center, but you don't hear from them because they tend not to be the same sort of attention seekers that are drawn to the fringes (I guess you could call Ed Schultz the "Centrist Rush Limbaugh", but lets be real, a centrist is NEVER going to be as exciting as an extremist. Since when was simple common sense entertaining?

I agree, especially with the statement: This applies to the left and the right and extremists from every racial and cultural category.


QueEx
 
this thread made me think of something...

FUCK AMERICA or more accurately, FUCK THE U.S.

it's amazing that people continue to refer to this region of the hemisphere in such a way as to obscure the other nations in it...

fascinating perpetuation of foolishness...
 
Hows This For Un-American?

Senators Obama, Clinton, Biden and Dodd Vote AGAINST English as our Official Language 33 Senators Voted Against English as America 's Official Language on June 6, 2007.

On Wed. 06 June 20 07, Colonel Harry Riley, USA , Ret. wrote:

Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348.... to make English America's official language is astounding.
1st -
What language did your ancestors speak?

2nd -
Don't be simplistic in your retort to emotional draw - there are costly financial implications of making English the official language... and why should government tell us what language is official or not?

Is that the role of the government? Is the government over-regulating? :rolleyes:
 
Hows This For Un-American?

Senators Obama, Clinton, Biden and Dodd Vote AGAINST English as our Official Language 33 Senators Voted Against English as America 's Official Language on June 6, 2007.

On Wed. 06 June 20 07, Colonel Harry Riley, USA , Ret. wrote:

Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348.... to make English America's official language is astounding.

And neither did the so called "Founding Fathers” They had the chance to make English the official language. Just as French is in France (since the 1500s), English in England and Australia. The official language "test" is just another divisive political technique.
 
1st -
What language did your ancestors speak?

Interesting question: honestly, I have no idea what language my ancestors spoke but maybe, just maybe, that will provide insight to where I'm going. Throughout history, language has been used as a tool of division. Without the ability to communicate through a common language, the customs, principles, traditions etc. will be lost. Thats when I look at QueEx's definition of UnAmerican: not characteristic of or consistent with American customs, principles, or traditions.

Is that the role of the government? Is the government over-regulating? :rolleyes:

And I agree with you 100%, however, One role of govt should be to protect our borders but thats another debate
 
And I agree in principle. But I, seriously, question the motivation since Bush was on side with Clinton, Dodd & Obama.

Why would Bush support that when he got more Hispanic votes than any Republican before him and most likely any Republican since him will? Bush really did not pander to racists much himself, he left that to other members of the party. Bush was all about cronyism, he could give less than two shits about all those wedge issues unless it was mid-election cycle.
 
good find Thought: 'Socialism' is Un-American, 'Fascism' is Un-American

'Socialism' is Un-American

Was FDR Un-American?

Social Security...

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Henry Ford Fascist?

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Says you. Try and get rid of it.

I don't have to do a thing, it will collapse due to its own weight, just like Madoff's scheme. The reason Madoff got away with his scheme was he kept introducing new players to the mix but when the revenue from the new players started to dry up, Game Over. The same will happen to SS, just a matter of time.

Or maybe the Chinese can sustain our standard of living!
 
I don't have to do a thing, it will collapse due to its own weight, just like Madoff's scheme. The reason Madoff got away with his scheme was he kept introducing new players to the mix but when the revenue from the new players started to dry up, Game Over. The same will happen to SS, just a matter of time.

Or maybe the Chinese can sustain our standard of living!

You right wingers have been hoping for that for years. In fact your right wing ancestors said it wouldn't last 20 years when it was first instituted. It's going on 75 years. Reagan and daddy Bush tried to kill it by raiding the fund. Clinton fixed it and GW tried to kill it again. It won't happen. Hoping for the government to fail makes you so predictable. Sorry to bust your bubble.

Or maybe the Chinese can sustain our standard of living!

We would have no issues if the private sectors derivatives gambling didn’t break the treasury. Oh that's right, banks are not the private sector, they are a communist, socialists plot.:lol:

(See the financial weapons of Mass Destruction thread you conveniently avoid.)
 
Clinton fixed it and GW tried to kill it again.

:smh: Clinton fixed it...........:smh: Clinton fixed it......Dawg, he robbed the SS fund to "balance" the budget.

Clinton’s $3 Trillion Raid on Social Security

We would have no issues if the private sectors derivatives gambling didn’t break the treasury. Oh that's right, banks are not the private sector, they are a communist, socialists plot.:lol:

(See the financial weapons of Mass Destruction thread you conveniently avoid.)

Derivatives Gambling!!!!! That was Clinton's creation too, (November 12, 1999) Can you say Glass / Steagall? As you know, or may not know, it allowed investment banks to work with commercial banks to engage in risky investment / speculation. I'm not gon defend Bush or Reagan but I'm also not gonna say the Dems did any better (NAFTA). Thought, your posts made more sense when you were quoting the Bible! 2nd, cancel that left / right talk. Tell me 1 thing Obama is doing different the Dubya in regards to Economics ? ? ?
 
:smh: Clinton fixed it...........:smh: Clinton fixed it......Dawg, he robbed the SS fund to "balance" the budget.

Clinton’s $3 Trillion Raid on Social Security



Derivatives Gambling!!!!! That was Clinton's creation too, (November 12, 1999) Can you say Glass / Steagall? As you know, or may not know, it allowed investment banks to work with commercial banks to engage in risky investment / speculation. I'm not gon defend Bush or Reagan but I'm also not gonna say the Dems did any better (NAFTA). Thought, your posts made more sense when you were quoting the Bible! 2nd, cancel that left / right talk. Tell me 1 thing Obama is doing different the Dubya in regards to Economics ? ? ?


"There is only one place to put the Social Security surplus - in the Personal Retirement Accounts of hard working Americans..."

Where would the retirements funds be today if they were removed from social security and placed in Wall Street based, private sector accounts? In your immortal words, "where is the $23 trillion." Social Security has not missed a check in over 60 years.:smh:

Of course the best way to fix social security permanently is to pass strong health care insurance reform. That way the gouging the insurance, pharmaceutical and medical device corporations will be brought down to increases equal to or below inflation. How simple!


:lol:FreedomWorks

"In December 2004, FreedomWorks employee Sandra Jacques was introduced at a White House economic conference as a "single mom" from Iowa who supported the Bush administration's Social Security privatization plan. According to White House budget director, Jacques was was an example of how Bush promotes his agenda with testimonials from "regular folks." As the New York Times pointed out, however, "Ms. Jaques is not any random single mother. She is the Iowa state director of a conservative advocacy group." [5]

The Times also noted that Jacques "spent much of the past two years as a spokeswoman in Iowa for a group called For Our Grandchildren, which is mounting a nationwide campaign for private savings accounts."

In January 2005, FreedomWorks announced that it was organizing a "Fly-in' to Washington DC as part of a "grassroots" lobbying effort for Social Security privatization and to attend a "White House town hall meeting" on the issue with President George W. Bush.[6] One of the 80 people the group brought to Washington was a Seattle-area businessman, Scott Ballard, the son of a long-time Republican politician in Washington state. The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported: [7]

He was contacted by the White House last Wednesday about his willingness to participate in an event. White House aides called again Thursday and told him they'd like him to appear at a town hall event with the president. Later that same day, Ballard got a call from FreedomWorks, a group founded by former Republican Reps. Dick Armey and Jack Kemp, offering to pay his expenses. "

Derivatives Gambling!!!!! That was Clinton's creation too, (November 12, 1999) Can you say Glass / Steagall? As you know, or may not know, it allowed investment banks to work with commercial banks to engage in risky investment / speculation.

That’s your argument, Clinton? Am I supposed to defend Clinton? Clinton did some good things and some bad things. The bottom line that you cannot dispute is at the end of the Clinton administration, this country had a $3 trillion debt that was slowing down from the previous 10 years and the first balanced budget in years. At the end of GW’s reign we had a $10 trillion debt and the worst economy in 70 years. We should be so lucky to have the economic problems after the Clinton administration.

I’m confused, you claim regulation has caused the problems in the economy, yet you blame Clinton for signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Are you for or against regualtions?

Source: Wikipedia

"The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54-44 vote in the Senate[12] and by a bi-partisian 343-86 vote in the House of Representatives.[13] After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90-8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362-57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999. [14]

The banking industry had been seeking the repeal of Glass-Steagall since at least the 1980s. In 1987 the Congressional Research Service prepared a report which explored the case for preserving Glass-Steagall and the case against preserving the act.[7]
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I’m confused, you claim regulation has caused the problems in the economy, yet you blame Clinton for signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Are you for or against regualtions?

I'm gonna say what I've been saying: Regulate the Money Supply! Whether you wanna believe it or not, I'm on your side but Govt regulation of any industry only hurts the "little guy" who might have product or business model to bring about competition but because of govt regulation, he / she is priced out of the market. You agree that competition creates lower prices, right?

To be honest, my argument aint right vs left, they both doin what the banks tell them to, Say I'm Wrong! ! !
 
I'm gonna say what I've been saying: Regulate the Money Supply! Whether you wanna believe it or not, I'm on your side but Govt regulation of any industry only hurts the "little guy" who might have product or business model to bring about competition but because of govt regulation, he / she is priced out of the market. You agree that competition creates lower prices, right?

To be honest, my argument aint right vs left, they both doin what the banks tell them to, Say I'm Wrong! ! !

Govt regulation of any industry only hurts the "little guy"

Haven’t we had unfettered regulation since Reagan’s pronouncement, “no government is good government” and as such, the Walmarts, Exxon/Mobils and Bank of Americans have just gotten larger and more powerful? How much competition has Wal-Mart eliminated since the 1990s until now? They were no where as large as they are now as they were back in the 1970s and 1980s, when regulation was stronger. Since the dismantling of Taft Hartley (regulation) corporations have owned us. Don’t you see it!
 
Haven’t we had unfettered regulation since Reagan’s pronouncement, “no government is good government” and as such, the Walmarts, Exxon/Mobils and Bank of Americans have just gotten larger and more powerful? How much competition has Wal-Mart eliminated since the 1990s until now? They were no where as large as they are now as they were back in the 1970s and 1980s, when regulation was stronger. Since the dismantling of Taft Hartley (regulation) corporations have owned us. Don’t you see it!

"Less govt is the Best govt"
I must say this in regards to China-Mart, I'm a proponent of 'fair' trade, not 'free' trade, in this instance. In order to maintain a certain standard of living and "good" jobs, the Nation must assert its sovereignty and defend "American" jobs, but our politicians sold us out! F*ck NAFTA! I may have opened a large can of worms but.......:angry:

With regards to Exxon, B of A, Goldman etc, they took advantage of the EZ $$$ & credit and they made a killing by speculating in the market, and buying smaller companies, simple. Thats why I say Regulate the Money Supply. If those cozy relationships were not there, they wouldn't be able to manipulate the market.
 
"Less govt is the Best govt"
I must say this in regards to China-Mart, I'm a proponent of 'fair' trade, not 'free' trade, in this instance. In order to maintain a certain standard of living and "good" jobs, the Nation must assert its sovereignty and defend "American" jobs, but our politicians sold us out! F*ck NAFTA! I may have opened a large can of worms but.......:angry:

With regards to Exxon, B of A, Goldman etc, they took advantage of the EZ $$$ & credit and they made a killing by speculating in the market, and buying smaller companies, simple. Thats why I say Regulate the Money Supply. If those cozy relationships were not there, they wouldn't be able to manipulate the market.

You can interpret history, but you can’t deny history. Check out this audio.

source: University of Virginia

Franklin D. Roosevelt Speeches
Democratic National Convention (June 27, 1936)


Actual Audio of Speech
 
Pastor, I don't know, you tell me.

You do realize Social Security is a bigger Ponzi scheme than anything Madoff ever dreamed about, right?

Says you. Try and get rid of it.

I don't have to do a thing, it will collapse due to its own weight, just like Madoff's scheme. The reason Madoff got away with his scheme was he kept introducing new players to the mix but when the revenue from the new players started to dry up, Game Over. The same will happen to SS, just a matter of time.

Or maybe the Chinese can sustain our standard of living!

What a bunch of clowns!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

source: Daily Paul

*Texas* Bill Reasserts 10th Amendment Rights

Posted February 20th, 2009 by Allegory

Authored by Texas State Representatives Brandon Creighton, Bryan Hughes, and Leo Berman, H.C.R. 50 has been introduced to the Texas House to reassert Texas’s rights of sovereignty under the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution.

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RESOLVED, That the 81st Legislature of the State of Texas hereby claim sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States; and, be it further RESOLVED, That this serve as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers; and, be it further RESOLVED, That all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed....
 
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