My Master's Wasn't Worth It

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Be careful what you study. Going to grad school isn't always worth the time, effort and money.

MBAs: A dime a dozen?

Courtesy: Aaron FraserName: Aaron Fraser, 42
Place: Virgin Islands


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I once looked at the MBA as the crème de la crème of business degrees, but now I realize I'm a dime a dozen.

I have an MBA in media management from Metropolitan College of New York and a master's in organizational leadership from Mercy College. I am in debt to the tune of $120,000, and for me, it just wasn't worth it.

After graduating, I applied for jobs in New York for at least a year. In interviews, I was either overqualified, or high risk.

I am high risk, so I'm told, because I have multiple degrees, which means it's more likely that I would pursue other means of employment if I am offered a higher salary.

I'm 42 years old, and I'm competing with 25-year-olds who have MBAs from Harvard. There are so many young people with MBAs from exclusive schools, it's very difficult for somebody like me to compete. Employers don't expect middle aged people to be innovators.

My master's is a joke

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Courtesy: Jen SmialekName: Jen Smialek, 31
Place: Boston, Mass.

I work in such a completely different industry, it's a joke amongst co-workers that I have a master's in education.

I completed that degree -- which was my second master's -- in 2010, and taught for a year in Boston. It was the hardest work I've ever done, but I loved it.

A year later, it was first in, first out in terms of layoffs. I didn't have any seniority and I was unfortunately laid off.

I couldn't find another teaching job, so I returned to marketing. I had about $26,000 in student debt from that master's, and I've since paid off most of it (I completed my first master's for less than $500).

If I could go back, I wouldn't earn the education degree again. It was a good personal enrichment activity, but for someone like me who does Internet marketing, my career would benefit more from an MBA.

I work 3 part-time jobs

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Courtesy: Nick HintzName: Nick Hintz, 28
Place: Kansas City, Mo.

When I graduated from my undergraduate program in 2008, I had a bachelor's degree in psychology, which was too general to get me a job. I wanted to go into business, so I decided to earn a master's degree in human resources at the University of Minnesota.

At the time, it was rated as the number two HR school in the nation, and it cost a lot to go there. I took out $120,000 in student loans. The economy was unraveling at the time, but I hoped that over a couple years, the job market would improve.

Instead, things got worst. I graduated in 2010 at the bottom of the U.S. job market. At the time, only about half our class found jobs.

Now it's been more than two years, and I'm competing against fresh grads for entry-level positions and leadership training programs. A career counselor told me I missed the boat on getting a solid return on investment for my master's.

I have three part-time jobs. I am an unpaid volunteer in a local hospital's HR department, I'm a content manager for a video game website, and I clean typewriters... yes, typewriters.

I'm stuck with a large amount of debt, I have this fancy master's no one cares about, and I can't get the experience I need. I'm really at a loss of what to do.



Name: Daniel Snyder, 38
Place: Chicago, Ill.


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I've always been in tune with other people's emotions, so I studied psychology, hoping to be a clinician or a therapist.

I earned a bachelor's and then master's degree in clinical psychology, but at the end of my final internship, I became ill and was hospitalized for a few days. I still graduated from the program, but because I had not finished my internship, I was unable to get a license to practice as a psychologist.

I was told I could return in a year to re-start the internship process. In the meantime, I hoped I could still get a job, applying the degree to other fields that don't require a license. I sent out more than 300 applications.

It's been almost a year and I have not been able to apply my degree to any jobs in human resources, psychology consultation or even restaurant management. I am just starting school again, now for a master's degree in human resources. I've been living off credit cards essentially, acquiring about $25,000 in debt. And that's in addition to the $60,000 in student loans I acquired in grad school.

I had to sell my car. It got so bad that some points, my phone or power would be shut off.

Not only was my first master's not worth the debt, it wasn't worth the emotional journey of going through a program that requires such introspection and self reflection. If I had to do this all over again, I probably would have just gotten an HR degree instead of a social science degree.


Name: Mary LeMay, 47
Place: Stevens Point, Wisc.

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After working 18 years in financial counseling, I went back to school in my 40s to earn a master's degree in community counseling.

I had always aspired to be a school counselor, but when I started the program, I was informed there were very few job openings in schools. I chose community counseling instead, because I was told it was a larger umbrella with more opportunities.

After graduating in May 2010, I knew that most counselor positions would require certification as an LPC (Licensed Professional Counselor). In Wisconsin, that would entail an additional two years and 3,000 hours working under the direction of someone in the field. I didn't know how difficult it would be to obtain that certification.

I've been looking for those positions, but it seems there are so few job opportunities for someone to become a counselor-in-training. Very few employers are willing to supervise you.

Why do graduate schools keep churning out counselors when there are so few jobs or opportunities for certification?

I funded my masters degree with $20,000 in student loans. I'm still looking forward to being able to use my degree, but I'm just wondering if that's ever going to happen.


Name: Sean Padden, 42
Place: Providence, R.I.

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I have more education than I know what to do with, and I am one of the long-term unemployed who have given up hopes of finding a job.

After a double major in chemistry and microbiology as an undergrad, I earned a master's degree in molecular biology and gained teaching experience in cellular, micro, molecular and plant biology.

I thought this wide array of experience would at least get me interviews. After hundreds of applications over the past four years, I have had less than five interviews.

My solution has been to try and employ myself. I resorted going back to a high school hobby, as a job.

I'm working on starting a woodworking business that makes canes, using a special kind of diseased wood. Basically, I'm using my chemistry background to create functional pieces of art.
 
:yes: Not everyone can do that though. Some kats just aint built to run their own shit.

Any kat can learn to run their own shit if they make it a priority.

If an immigrant from a 3rd world country who doesn't even speak english can do it, you can.
 
Any kat can learn to run their own shit if they make it a priority.

If an immigrant from a 3rd world country who doesn't even speak english can do it, you can.

^^^^:yes:

My Dad did it without a degree or even a GED (different times). Retired early at 55 in DR and just got his HS diploma over there. :lol:
 
^^^^:yes:

My Dad did it without a degree or even a GED (different times). Retired early at 55 in DR and just got his HS diploma over there. :lol:
2 words: Arnold Schwarzenegger....




but back on topic... there was another thread on this a few weeks ago... the MBA is only as good as you make it, but none of those examples graduated from top tier schools, so they should have been prepared to hustle to flip that degree...

Op your thread title is bullshit - don't use these poor examples of ambition as a reason to cop out of advanced education...

I strongly advise against the MBA these days in favor specific disciplines...
IMO - Masters of Science in Math, Engineering (any), Finance and maybe Communications depending on the program, are much more lucrative today than the MBA.
 
All those people had BS areas of study except the last.

You need a trade or profession to make a dollar period. Only a few make it to the top of the herd with those type of degrees...
 
You gotta be realistic. The brotha who was 45 and had all these degrees should have gotten a wake up call about 20 years ago. Don't be a sheep.
 
Only way you should be getting masters and your in your mid to late 30s is in Physician Assistant studies.THEY ALWAYS get hired right after school some before they even graduate.
If I had my Bachelors I would have done it.
 
Well, i don't have a Masters degree to speak of, I have a BA and Im a certified electrician now... And I did that shit just because I kept seeing the muthafuckin commercials.... lol thank you Stark state...but i must say this.. Life Is what you make It. You pretty much just have to say I'm taking this job, Where Is my fucking office !!!. Go Mr. Darnell from lean on me on the whole area. im kidding but take charge of what it is you want is the point. The weak shall parish or something, Thats what the good book said... Get in or get the fuck out. :cool:
 
So just cause these few individuals education isn't working for them yet you write off the thought of getting an education? My masters degree is working in my favor and it damn sure didn't put me 6 figures in debt. Nobody and I mean nobody pursuing their masters should ever be in a 6 figure debt to student loans. That's someone borrowing the maximum amount in loans to get refund checks which in most cases they spend on the wrong reasons.
 
Their stories are ever so true. Most Americans that have degrees can't find a job in their area of study and are deep in debt. Starting your own business is the way to go and everyone can do it. The question is, "Will you have the same work ethic and be disciplined enough to build it correctly?" Unfortunately, most people think they can't do it because it is easier to be broke and not try than to be rich and try. I am not saying that college is worthless but you have to do what is best for you. If you want to work for someone else for 40+ hours a week for 40+ years and still be broke, then don't complain everyday that you are not making enough money to feed your family. If you want to be rich and control your own destiny, then owning a business is where you need to be. I retired from military after 21 years of service but wasn't rich. After 2 years of starting a home based business, I am on my way to becoming a millionaire in a few years and showing others how to do it. email me at anbak69@hotmail.com
 
Nothing wrong with getting a degree

College should be u obtaining knowledge of self

Mofos don't know how to network

Plus if you don't have a trade to do along with that degree u pretty much worthless
 
Truth be told, your personal relationships with the people with job connects will get you in the door....A degree just says your eligible, that doesnt mean that you can stop networking just because.......Theres too many people that think once you get a degree a job will magically fall out the sky, and it doesnt work like that.......Also, you have to be flexible and able to move out of state if you have to, especially in this day and time

Theres an old saying "Who you know will get you in the door, what you know will keep you there"



Heres some tips on networking and an article about the role connections play in getting a job


http://www.askmen.com/money/successful_100/106_success.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hiring-friend-prospect-indeed-021603740.html
 
I hate to say it, but most people are uncharismatic drones. They don't "wow" in an interview. They can't network worth shit. They don't do anything to stand out.
 
I hate to say it, but most people are uncharismatic drones. They don't "wow" in an interview. They can't network worth shit. They don't do anything to stand out.

Truth. You gotta have some type of charisma, especially in the interview because you gotta sell yourself
 
I am in debt to the tune of $120,000,

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :smh::smh:

This is why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad dropped out of school while in the 3rd grade.


I am gwad that I dropped out of high school! that is too much damm muny to schpend.

Fuck school mullafukcas!:dance::dance::dance:

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad went no farther than the thoid gwade and look at what he became! He sits right next to the seat of Master Fard Muhammad, almighty God Allah himself! Yoo don't need no edumacation! Look at me!:dance:

I was the craziesst cwass cwown in school and look at the clown I've become today! Shit! Im the messenger for Bgol for a man that dropped out of school in the thoid gwade, and I am representing him for bgol! I teach that the white man is the devil and I make $18,000 a year runnin my mouf teaching this doctrine of holiness to the black man! Im ballin! At least I aint in no damm debits to the white devil!

:dance::dance::dance::cool:
 
Yeah, that's why I said fuck MBAs and always wanted to do a technical Masters. Now I'm done and looking to make moves. I keep encouraging mofos to look mad long term in your industry of choice. Like 10 years and shit. You need some ROI for what you do. I swear the MBAs missed that lesson. Irony.
 
I interviewed a young lady (25 years old)a few weeks ago for a customer service position who had her MBA in business and accounting from Purdue, but was currently working at Target. She had just moved back to Houston, and was finding it really tough getting a job. I will probably hire her and try to get her in our procurement department.
 
To many people pass over programs at community colleges. I paid 2,400 for my associates and make good money.
 
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