freaky_1 said:Vern defined a position so that's why he starts on my team, not a personal favorite.
So are you basing the list on OBJECTIVE standards based on research or personal feelings? You keep switching your perspective.
Which is it?
freaky_1 said:Vern defined a position so that's why he starts on my team, not a personal favorite.
Tripster said:How was his comment "prejudiced"???
pimp187 said:Both Shaq and Wilt should start over than white-whore loving nigga.
freaky_1 said:Thank you!
Brother Blues said:.You know Kareem wasn't much of a rebounder,much as I liked his game.
That's a good team, and it makes sense. I'm glad you have an understanding of these players.Brother Blues said:First off,I don't know who Vern Mikkelson is even if you tell me....is that Phil Mikkleson's daddy?
Me,I'm starting Wilt in the middle...then I'll put Kareem at the power foward,where he probably wanted to be all along.You know Kareem wasn't much of a rebounder,much as I liked his game.
Then of course its Elgin Baylor at the small forward.
With Magic and West in the backcourt.
Kobe will be my 6th man,with Jamal Wilks,Michael Cooper,Stormin Norman,Big Game James Worthy making up the rest of the bench.
Bob McAdoo does not belong on the team.He was just a role player with the Lakers.
Same with Connie Hawkins...
And Greedy Gail Goodrich???...a nice player,but....
My point exactly.eewwll said:For people making the case about Kobe.
For all of Kobe's individual ability to score points. He has not proven that he makes his "TEAM" or that he is a great "teammate".
The only reason I would personally put Kobe in my "All-Laker" team would be for the sole person of having instant offense coming off the bench...when you bring a player off the bench to purposely focus on offense and give the team an offensive lift and he is not burdened with other responsibilities. I am not comparing the level of ability of these players..but I am just giving an example. The Pistons had Johnson as their 6th man. He was a streaky shooter much like Kobe. He came off the bench and his sole purpose was to score points and lift the offense. He could come off the bench and either be broke or on fire and give you instant points. His role was not to stack up assists, rebound, etc.. his sole purpose was to put the ball in the basket and take shots.
Kobe, as he has played his entire career, would fill that purpose well on an "All Laker team".
However, putting him on a starting 5 with Magic, Kareem, Baylor,etc would do nothing to help that team..they could already points up... Kobe would do nothing (in the style that he currently plays) but fuck up the offensive flow of the team.
I wouldn't him want him on my starting All Laker TEAM either..if we are talking about constructing a TEAM and not just throwing together players based on individual talents.
Magic and West would be perfect. And I damn would not replace Baylor with Kobe. Baylor could do anything that Kobe did and better and didn't need to control the ball or the offense..
Brother Blues said:Me,I'm starting Wilt in the middle...then I'll put Kareem at the power foward,.
eewwll said:Magic and West would be perfect. And I damn would not replace Baylor with Kobe. Baylor could do anything that Kobe did and better and didn't need to control the ball or the offense.
Damn, tell em why you mad son!Frank Wilson said:man Basically Fuck The Damn Fucking Lakers Basketball Team. I Hate The Damn La...no...la-lackers Basketball Team. Fucking Team Think They Can Have Their Entire Schedule Be The Fucking Game Of The Week Every Fucking Week On National Television. Not Only That I'm Fucking Sick And Tired Of Seeing Jack Nicholson, His Prostitutes, And His Vain Actor Friends Comming To The Game Like Some Fucking Promotional Advertising Banner Telling Me To "oh Go Watch The Fucking Lakers" And That Fake-jordon-wannabe-arrogant-no Team Player-shitlevel Of A Basketball Player Kobe Bryant Who Really Is Nothing But A Overrated Piece Of Shit
So Fucking What About The Damn La-lackers Basketball Team? Fucking Nba Organization Think That Is The Only Fucking Team. That Is Why Nfl, And Major League Baseball Is Doing So Much Fucking Better Then The Nba. If The Nba Give Equal Coverage To All Teams, Maybe The Nba Will Be A Little Bit More Exciting.
Blunt said:No one would replace Magic and West with Kobe, but to not rank him third (without question) among all-time LAKER guards is just plain irrational.
BTW, Bryant has shot better and dished out more assists than Baylor, though you shouldn't compare those two anyway.
Bryant has also averaged around 6 REBs and 5 ASSTs over his last 9 years. The 20-6-5 combo for a career is rare. He does more than shoot, when he has someone else to work with.
I hear you man. Putting him last on the list was more a wakeup shot to his fans, than where I would really place him. He is a great scorer and the Vinnie Johnson comparison was dead on. The Lakers have had great players at all positions and I'm not even a fan. It seems that most Kobe fans are not even real Lakers fans. To even suggest breaking up a backcourt of West and Magic is beyond idiotic. They have no respect for what players have contributed to this game. All they know is now. I would not start anyone over Kareem. He had game and a shot that no one has came close to perfecting and hasn't been seen since he retired, (with 38,000+ points) You gotta respect him.ARDMORESTAR said:![]()
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i wasn't even gonna comment.. on this shit but yall made me....
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I would rather have a team without him on der.. kobe does not know the meaning of how to pass the ball... kobe is a good player no doubt.. but just not on the all star team that u have listed above.. kobes style of play does not match the style of play for that laker's all time ever team..
u have alot of people that share the ball up there.. and u have rapest ass kobe the only one that doesnt know how to pass...
I aint hate'n on kobe but the dude dont know how to play TEAM BALL..
side note... Wilt at Center and Kareem at pf...I mean daym.. i would not even run to the side of the court.. that would phuck up any lay up/dunks attempts any player in the nba would have now and forever..
the thing about the lakers and Celtics is that they are 2 teams that have had historic big men in the paint..
great list doe.. but i would leave kobe ass off of it... because like football and baseball, basketball is a team game.. and kobe is not a team player..
eewwll said:I said I would have him coming off the bench as a guard. I would probably put him as third...maybe.. but I still would take a different player... because Kobe is not a good teammate.
I would fill the position with a defensive specialist like Cooper..since I already have all the scoring I need with Baylor and West... I respect his scoring ability but I am not a fan of his style of playing.
If you meant..you shouldnt compare the two because Baylor was so much better I agree ...
... but considering that Kobe has often been listed as a small forward...and Baylor was a 6 foot 5 small forward who often played shooting guard..you can compare the two easily..
Baylor averaged 27.5 his entire career (5 more than kobe) and 13.5 rebounds per game (almost 8 more than kobe) ... but kobe only give you 1 more assist per game... so Baylor wins by a long shot in terms of total contribution.
Kobe has been a form of anemia for offensive fluidity. If the Lakers shake the team up, we will see what he does with a different squad... but he has definitely not exhibited great leadership ability...and even his scoring is a bit suspect because he went on scoring rampages against weaker teams... however..in the playoffs..when it would have been the time to take over..especially in second half..he was non-existent for the most part..not as bad as Dirk though for Dallas... but that is another discussion.
Nigga you started this thread beccuz secretly you love kobe...get off his and let him enjoy his offseason talk about something thats relevant TODAY...let it go faggotfreaky_1 said:C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
PF: Vern Mikkelsen* (The games' first Power Forward)
SF: Elgin Baylor
SG: Jerry West
PG: Magic Johnson
Bench
C: Wilt Chamberlain
C: George Mikan
C: Shaquille O'Neal
F: A.C. Green
F: James Worthy
F: Connie Hawkins* (Number retired with the Phoenix Suns)
G: Gail Goodrich
G: Kobe Bryant* (Didn't really want him on it, but he's a good scorer so he makes it.)
Coach: Pat Riley
There's my team, let the Shobe dickriding begin.![]()
Blunt said:. "Teammate" Kobe led the Lakers to 3 straight titles (going 30-7-6 in the 2nd playoff run).
Blunt said:Huh? Bryant has made the All-Defensive First Team as many times as Cooper did (5), and he's still only in mid-career.
Blunt said:. He's performed consistently, year-in-and-year-out, during the regular season and during the playoffs. He's won 3 titles.
Blunt said:Not sure where this personal animosity comes from, unless folks simply identify more with the goofy Shaq than the so-called "golden boy." But make no mistake about it, Kobe is 100x the pure b-ball player that Shaq is.
LURK DAWG said:Ask Any Gm,any Commetater,anybody Who Knows Anything About Basketball(cause Its Obvious Yall Haters Dont,only Thing Yall Know Anything About Is Stupid Jealousy,and Envy)who Is The Best Player In The N.b.a Today? They Will All Have The Same Answer ,kobe Bean Bryant.
I agree that Kareem is a more skilled player, but Shaq just dominates even though it may not be pretty.Blunt said:Huh? Both Shaq and Wilt had far more "white whores" than Kareem (who was one of Pam Grier's two great loves) ever did.
Shaq is a freak of nature and a force, but he's no way near the truly great b-baller, nor the skilled center, that both Kareem and Wilt were.
Bitch pleasejohnnybills said:Nigga you started this thread beccuz secretly you love kobe...get off his and let him enjoy his offseason talk about something thats relevant TODAY...let it go faggot
West at SF? just to put Kobe on the starting lineup? InvalidPimpstarP said:Vern Mikkelson
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My team would be
C- Wilt
PF - Kareem (I'd have to slide him to PF...he'd still dominate)
SF - Jerry West
SG - Kobe (here comes the hate)
PG - Magic
2nd string
C/PF - Shaq (Imagine him and Wilt in at the same time abusing niggas
PF - James Worthy
SF - Elgin Baylor
SG - Michael Cooper
PG - Gail Goodrich
3rd
C - George Mikan
PF - Lamar Odom
PG - Nick Van Exel
First off you should'v learned in grammar school that you don't have to capitalize ever first letter in a word. Second you misused the term Hater. My list showed you Kobe man crushers where he would rank in my view. Just because you beat off to his posters don't mean he's an all time great. He's not the best player in the history of his team. For all your dickriding on him, he still can't start on the all time team, period. West and Magic is a deadly backcourt and you can't bump either one for him.LURK DAWG said:To All You Bitch Ass Haters In This Tread ..i Will Only Say This..im Sorry Kobe Hurt Your Feelings..i Mean What Else Could It Be?..i Simply Dont Understand The Pure Bias Hatred Towards The The Dude!! I Hated The Detroit Pistons When I Was A Kid , But Even I Can Admit There Greatness As A Unit!! Simply Put Ask Any Gm,any Commetater,anybody Who Knows Anything About Basketball(cause Its Obvious Yall Haters Dont,only Thing Yall Know Anything About Is Stupid Jealousy,and Envy)who Is The Best Player In The N.b.a Today? They Will All Have The Same Answer ,kobe Bean Bryant.
eewwll said:For people making the case about Kobe.
For all of Kobe's individual ability to score points. He has not proven that he makes his "TEAM" or that he is a great "teammate".
The only reason I would personally put Kobe on my "All-Laker" team would be for the sole purpose of having instant offense coming off the bench...when you bring a player off the bench to purposely focus on offense and give the team an offensive lift and he is not burdened with other responsibilities. I am not comparing the level of ability of these players..but I am just giving an example. The Pistons had Johnson as their 6th man. He was a streaky shooter much like Kobe. He came off the bench and his sole purpose was to score points and lift the offense. He could come off the bench and either be broke or on fire and give you instant points. His role was not to stack up assists, rebound, etc.. his sole purpose was to put the ball in the basket and take shots.
Kobe, as he has played his entire career, would fill that purpose well on an "All Laker team".
However, putting him on a starting 5 with Magic, Kareem, Baylor,etc would do nothing to help that team..they could already put points up... Kobe would do nothing (in the style that he currently plays) but fuck up the offensive flow of the team.
I wouldn't him want him on my starting All Laker TEAM either..if we are talking about constructing a TEAM and not just throwing together players based on individual talents.
Magic and West would be perfect. And I damn would not replace Baylor with Kobe. Baylor could do anything that Kobe did and better and didn't need to control the ball or the offense..
My list...not yours...Any Laker fan could understand why I got nick the quick on my list...it aint like he's first string...u'd be pressed to find a Laker pg that i didn't list thats a whole lot better than how nick was playin on the Lakers. Same goes for Odom...lets not talk about jokes mr vern mikkelson. Dude never averaged more ppg than Lamar Odom has this year. Never had more RPG than Odom has this year. And has only tied Odom in assists...this year...i havent even gone to Odoms past seasons...oh and Vern led the nba in personal fouls for 3 str8 seasons...and he holds the tech record. As for fittin in Kobe...no I don't have to fit him in nowhere. I believe thats the most deadly lineup to win...too many weapons. Magic with his court vision giving everyone the ball where they need it. Kobe and could score at will...whenever he has trouble shootin...magic could get him open shots and high percentage shots on the fast break. And Jerry West could be the shooter if Kobe goes cold and vice versa. Whats your argument b. I know u hate Kobe an all but it aint that serious.freaky_1 said:West at SF? just to put Kobe on the starting lineup? Invalid
Van Exel and Odom on an all time Lakers team? Even bigger joke.
I love how people always put up the first championship numbers and claim that as the summary of the entire 3peat instead of the second 2, where the numbers were closer to Shaqs. Thats all i gotta say about that issue.eewwll said:Could be nothing but further from the truth. You are a stat person. You like to look up stats.
Look at the 2000 NBA Finals Stats
Per game stats
Shaq
37 points 18 rebounds 4 assists
Kobe
12 points 4 rebounds 4 assists
Shaq was the leader of those teams. Kobe was apart of the supporting casts. He didn't LEAD anything..and as he began to play more and take more shots..the winning percentage of the lakers decreased. Now one could question whether this is a cause of confusing correlation with causation..but the numbers definitely correlate. Playing on a great time hid Kobe's flaws.. now they are being exposed.
Even quotes ALL three title runs... individually and collectively... Shaq had better numbers... and also factor in the first title.. Kobe hardly contributed and it had NO material effect on the outcome of the Final's series. The reality is that you could have plugged any moderately skilled 2 guard on that team and it would have been ok.
However, if you took away Shaq, that team would not have even gone to the conference finals.
Like the Nash example. it is a testaments to level of play in the league than that player's individual talent level. Nash is MVP in today's league but he wouldnt even be a starting point guard in the all star game during the 80s or 90s for any conference.
Same thing on the defensive in with Kobe. No one in their right mind, despite the myths and gifting of Kobe's defensive accolades, would call Kobe as good of a defender as Michael Cooper.
Simply is not true. All of his number decrease in the playoffs. Look at this stats..scoring, rebounding, assists, field goal percentage, free throw percentage ALL go down in the playoffs. The only thing that RISES in the playoffs are field goal attempts and turnovers.
You tend to quote stats and data. I can appreciate that. Now go review the regular season and playoff data on Kobe. Your statement is clearly erroneous.
In terms of the 3 titles... I already posted the 2000 NBA stats..that clearly showed who led those teams and there is no secret as to why Shaq walked away with 3 Finals MVP awards.
And he does have a lot to prove in terms of his legacy..or matching the proclamations of his fanboys..because without another title...he will always been seen as Shaq's sidekick.
I have no personal animosity towards Kobe. I could care less anything about his personal life or personality. I do not like his style of playing basketball. He is a selfish player who zaps the life out of a "TEAM" because of his lack of basketball IQ.
Who is talking about Shaq? I didn't mention shaq until you brought him up. We WERE talking about guards.
Hey Vern Mikkelson, was the games first PF. I didn't say he was better, justthat he was a trailblazer. There have been numerous PG's that could bump Van Exel out the lineup, and I like Van Exel, ever since Cincy. Kobe is Vinnie Johnson. The backcourt of West and Magic is more deadly than any lineup with Kobe in it. My opinion. West is Mr. Clutch and the symbol of the NBA, that alone trumps mr. shoot a bunch. Kobe is not the best player in the history of his team, let alone the greats of all time. Some of you Laker fans (not saying you) have no clue of all the great players in the Laker organization, just on the Kobe bandwagon.PimpstarP said:My list...not yours...Any Laker fan could understand why I got nick the quick on my list...it aint like he's first string...u'd be pressed to find a Laker pg that i didn't list thats a whole lot better than how nick was playin on the Lakers. Same goes for Odom...lets not talk about jokes mr vern mikkelson. Dude never averaged more ppg than Lamar Odom has this year. Never had more RPG than Odom has this year. And has only tied Odom in assists...this year...i havent even gone to Odoms past seasons...oh and Vern led the nba in personal fouls for 3 str8 seasons...and he holds the tech record. As for fittin in Kobe...no I don't have to fit him in nowhere. I believe thats the most deadly lineup to win...too many weapons. Magic with his court vision giving everyone the ball where they need it. Kobe and could score at will...whenever he has trouble shootin...magic could get him open shots and high percentage shots on the fast break. And Jerry West could be the shooter if Kobe goes cold and vice versa. Whats your argument b. I know u hate Kobe an all but it aint that serious.I love how people always put up the first championship numbers and claim that as the summary of the entire 3peat instead of the second 2, where the numbers were closer to Shaqs. Thats all i gotta say about that issue.
PimpstarP said:I love how people always put up the first championship numbers and claim that as the summary of the entire 3peat instead of the second 2, where the numbers were closer to Shaqs. Thats all i gotta say about that issue.
Yepeewwll said:Individually in every series and collectively Shaq's numbers trumped Kobe..not to mention he was the dominant force in the middle that anchored the entire offense. Take Kobe off that team and have him put up inconsequential and they don't skip a beat (2000 is a testament to that).
The first finals' stats not only go to show the huge range in output...but goes on to show that the Lakers..even with Kobe being a non-factor like in the 2000 Finals, were a good enough team to win a title solely on the back of Shaq.
That message was a direct response to the myth that Kobe LED those teams. That was the claim made. He was apart of the supporting cast.
freaky_1 said:Please. Kareem's shot was indefensible.