Music: Tupac Takes Shots At Dr. Dre, Jay Z & Everyone Else In Lost Album Liner Notes

But the thing is he didn't actually do shit but talk tough though so my point is it makes him look weak and emotional since it was all talk and no action.

He knew who shot him and where they were but instead of getting at then he wrote songs and shit like this on paper. Thats the definition of a studio gangster.

There's nothing wrong with him not taking action and not being a gangster but to not be built like that and talk/write like you are isn't a good look IMO.

And the majority of the people he mentioned in that writing and in the last months of his life had nothing to do with his shooting.

I think you are judging him based on how you would've handled it at your age now. We gotta remember where dude was at in his life and how he got there. Its hard for me to even fathom dude was only 25. He had a rough life but them ages between 19-to his death.......that's a lot.

I'm not really sure what Pac could've done at that point. He was a celebrity. He can't just go out on the block and find Tut or whoever shot him. Like a true poet....he went in the lab and wrote about it. If Pac's career wasn't full of him expressing himself on pad and exposing himself on pad....I would agree that this looks like some hoe shit. But this was true to what Pac always was.

I use to be stuck between what Pac was, what he wanted to be, what he became and what he ended up being. I think its more difficult than you think.
 
Tupac shot and killed

Big shot and killed

over bullshit

and still no arrests

I think we ALL gonna shed a few tears over that.

Yeah but some people on both coasts still buy into that East/West bullshit to this day.

And whats sad about that is out of the four individuals most prominently associated with the East/West beef (Pac, Puff, Big, Suge) everyone but Suge was born and raised in NYC.
 
I don't think ANY artist in the entirety of hip hop gets a pass for immaturity and hypocrisy as much as Pac

Maybe not...but there was also never a Pac to compare to. What other rapper was literally born into a jail cell? Family was apart of the Black Panther party.....affiliated with the gang culture, all while creating material and acting in films?

Pac was one of a kind. He was troubled even. He was also 25 years old. I Think people get confused by his age because he spoke like someone that has been here before. Someone much wiser than his age. But then he'd have his immature and reckless moments.
 
Yeah but some people on both coasts still buy into that East/West bullshit to this day.

And whats sad about that is out of the four individuals most prominently associated with the East/West beef (Pac, Puff, Big, Suge) everyone but Suge was born and raised in NYC.

I think because it was never really a "East V West" beef. It was always Death Row vs Bad Boy.

There was too many dudes on the West getting money out East(Cube, Warren G, etc.) and too many East dudes getting money out West(Pac, Kurupt, Eric B, etc.). Media started that bullshit ass narrative and ran with it.
 
Another fantasy letter. Dude shot himself. Let’s be real if he really wanted beef Biggie wasn’t hard to find.
 
I think you are judging him based on how you would've handled it at your age now. We gotta remember where dude was at in his life and how he got there. Its hard for me to even fathom dude was only 25. He had a rough life but them ages between 19-to his death.......that's a lot.

I'm not really sure what Pac could've done at that point. He was a celebrity. He can't just go out on the block and find Tut or whoever shot him. Like a true poet....he went in the lab and wrote about it. If Pac's career wasn't full of him expressing himself on pad and exposing himself on pad....I would agree that this looks like some hoe shit. But this was true to what Pac always was.

I use to be stuck between what Pac was, what he wanted to be, what he became and what he ended up being. I think its more difficult than you think.

I agree with this and that's ultimately the point.

I read this now as an adult and can see it for what it really is: an intelligent, passionate artist who in no way was a gangster but felt humiliated and emasculated by the events of the previous couple of years (getting shot/robbed by former associates and accused or rape all in his hometown) who understandably reacted by trying to portray himself as being tougher/harder than he was in an attempt to regain some of the respect, confidence, and reputation he'd earned.
 
I think because it was never really a "East V West" beef. It was always Death Row vs Bad Boy.

There was too many dudes on the West getting money out East(Cube, Warren G, etc.) and too many East dudes getting money out West(Pac, Kurupt, Eric B, etc.). Media started that bullshit ass narrative and ran with it.

I have to respectfully disagree though the media did throw a ridiculous amount of gas on that fire.

However a lot of artists willingly and willfully dived head first into that shit when they realized it could help sell records.

Cube is the perfect example. His music career was in a slump around that period and yet when that shit started getting press you suddenly see Cube (who always broke bread with the East and made his first record in NYC with P.E.) throwing up "W's" and taking shots as well.
 
I have to respectfully disagree though the media did throw a ridiculous amount of gas on that fire.

However a lot of artists willingly and willfully dived head first into that shit when they realized it could help sell records.

Cube is the perfect example. His music career was in a slump around that period and yet when that shit started getting press you suddenly see Cube (who always broke bread with the East and made his first record in NYC with P.E.) throwing up "W's" and taking shots as well.
Yep. It wasn't solely a media fabrication. Artists played into that shit too.
 
For real, people used to shit on Nas for being inconsistent in his subject matter yet Pac always got a pass.

Like his work for the most part, but he brought on a lot of shit onto himself.
Getting shot brings out anger
 
I have to respectfully disagree though the media did throw a ridiculous amount of gas on that fire.

However a lot of artists willingly and willfully dived head first into that shit when they realized it could help sell records.

Cube is the perfect example. His music career was in a slump around that period and yet when that shit started getting press you suddenly see Cube (who always broke bread with the East and made his first record in NYC with P.E.) throwing up "W's" and taking shots as well.
i thought I was the only one who noticed that that Westside connection shit was a marketing ploy.
 
Yeah but some people on both coasts still buy into that East/West bullshit to this day.

And whats sad about that is out of the four individuals most prominently associated with the East/West beef (Pac, Puff, Big, Suge) everyone but Suge was born and raised in NYC.

any person that STILL buys into that?

Are individuals you NEED to remove from your circle in all ways possible

I men unfriend, mute, ignore and block.

Hell maybe even a restraining order

JUST to be safe.

cause that some dumb sh*t
 
de la got at him first with that ego trippin video
i thought I was the only one who noticed that that Westside connection shit was a marketing ploy.


https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.41345/...ego-trippin-video-that-led-to-tupac-conflict#

Maseo Admits De La Soul Rushed "Ego Trippin'" Video That Led To Tupac Conflict
November 20, 2016 | 3:45 PM
by Kyle Eustice
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LOS ANGELES, CA – When De La Soul unleashed its 1993 video for “Ego Trippin’,” the intention was to spoof the mainstream rap that was popular in the early ’90s, which often depicted rappers flossing expensive jewelry, fancy cars, outrageous mansions, and a revolving door of female “acquaintances.”




93 ‘Til Infinity: The unassuming controversial video came courtesy of Buhloohne Mindstate, just one of several of De La’s critically acclaimed albums.


The irony was that most of the time, they didn’t own any of that nor did they have a harem of scantily-clad women tending to their every need at any given moment. The New York trio — Pos, Dave and Maseo — were on the other end of the spectrum and toted conscious and eclectic Hip Hop that spoke to the more intellectualized segment of the Hip Hop demographic. Meanwhile on the West Coast, Tupac was delivering his own brand of street-smart gangster rap and while he certainly spit about some complex issues, he did it in a way that sometimes catered to the superficiality found in popular rap.

In the HipHopDX weekly series, The Breakdown, Brand Ambassador of DX Justin Hunte explained how the “Ego Trippin'” video was interpreted by 2Pac as blatant diss to what the West Coast legend was doing at the time, more specifically thought they were spoofing his “I Get Around” video. Despite Pos and Dave telling The Company Man in a 2010 interview there was indeed a misunderstanding over the video, Maseo asserts it wasn’t “beef,” but admits they would have done things differently today.




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“When I went to look back at it, it obviously shows some depiction of the ‘I Get Around’ video,” Maseo says in a phone call from Argentina. “Had we known that, it never would have happened because at this time, we was just rushing to get a video shot based on what we were dealing with in regard to the album at the time.

“It was an idea that the director implemented spinning off of what we were talking about in the song,” he continues. “At that time, we were saying what everybody’s saying right now. No one owns the house they’re in when they’re shooting a video. No one owns the jewelry they wear and a lot of them don’t even own the cars they drive in the video. It wasn’t a depiction of ‘Pac, it was a depiction of things that had been going on in Hip Hop in rapper’s videos. Even in the video, Dave is driving a Mercedes and there’s a caption over him that says, ‘It’s a rental.’ It was kind of spoofing a lot of videos at that time.”

Maseo is adamant it was never meant to single out ‘Pac. In fact, he believes if ‘Pac was alive today, he would be saying the same thing they were saying back then. However, he does say it was a blunder on De La Soul’s part.

“Even when I look at video, I would say more Puffy than Tupac,” he says. “Even that wasn’t the angle. Mind you, it was a complete oversight. Had I noticed that, it probably wouldn’t have gone in the video. This was ’93 and it was real touchy times, when rappers were focused on subliminals and innuendos, and what somebody could be saying without really saying it. Between ’93 and ’98, it was a real sensitive time with lyrical content and images of that could be portrayed as disrespect. We aren’t even a group that’s about that shit, so at the end of the day, when ‘Pac made the [diss] record, we were confused by it.”




Strictly 4… The Underground didn’t stop for anything with a XX chromosome in this memorable video.


Since De La’s seminal album, 1989’s 3 Feet High and Rising, the group has always been about having a sense of humor. They maintain they never had any malicious intent whatsoever.

“It was just about making a point about what had been going on in the videos like I said,” he reiterates. “It was a portrayal of what’s going on in the videos is not real. There was no beef. He was upset and he dissed us. That was it. Beef is when you have a physical altercation or when you’re going back and forth. It never did that. Never. If we would have had the opportunity to explain it back then to ‘Pac, it would have been resolved. Period.”

After 30 years in the game and a 12-year proper album hiatus, De La Soul released their ninth studio album in and the Anonymous Nobody… this past August to positive reviews.
 
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I don't think ANY artist in the entirety of hip hop gets a pass for immaturity and hypocrisy as much as Pac
Hmm, bro I think every artist in the industry gets passes for immaturity and hypocrisy; I cant think of one artist, in hiphop, who doesnt or didnt...they all are made up to some degree; they all tell tales to some degree; they all embellish and we all(black people) give them passes constantly for it..........
 
Hmm, bro I think every artist in the industry gets passes for immaturity and hypocrisy; I cant think of one artist, in hiphop, who doesnt or didnt...they all are made up to some degree; they all tell tales to some degree; they all embellish and we all(black people) give them passes constantly for it..........

fair...

but NOT simultaneous heralded as a genius poet paragon of virtue to women and the entire black diaspora.

I love Pac

and feel he is perhaps the most SIGNIFICANT hip hop artist EVER

but its is very interesting how everyone struggles so much with Chris Brown R. Kelly etc

but forget Pac was convicted of rape, and had a history of assaults gun violence and disrespectful songs about women

I don't think Tupac could have EVER been Pac in TODAY society...
 
fair...

but NOT simultaneous heralded as a genius poet paragon of virtue to women and the entire black diaspora.

I love Pac

and feel he is perhaps the most SIGNIFICANT hip hop artist EVER

but its is very interesting how everyone struggles so much with Chris Brown R. Kelly etc

but forget Pac was convicted of rape, and had a history of assaults gun violence and disrespectful songs about women

I don't think Tupac could have EVER been Pac in TODAY society...
The rape shit was bullshit and you know it:giggle:; but yes Pac gets passes because of his greatness! Most great people, or perceived great people, get plenty of passes though!!!
 
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