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Kanye West vs. Taylor Swift: The Misogynistic Feud That Will Never End

Nearly seven years after he interrupted her at the VMAs, West references the incident in a misogynistic new song that has both parties attacking each other. Will it ever finish?
Kanye West lied. He’s never gonna let this finish.

Pop culture’s most curious spat—if that’s even what it could be categorized as—found its umpteenth life Friday, thanks to a he-said-she-said back and forth between Kanye West and Taylor Swift about lyrics to a song on his new album, The Life of Pablo. And this round? Just as icky as the first.

The lyric in question harkens back to the stage crash that started it all, West’s jarring and upsetting storming of the stage to interrupt a nubile Taylor Swift, not yet pop’s reigning queen, during an acceptance speech for her first ever MTV Video Music Award win back in 2009.

With four words—“Imma let you finish”—West created a meme, birthed an immortal pop-culture controversy, forever linked his career with Swift’s, and announced himself as one of the industry’s worst kinds of misogynists: Someone who swears he isn’t one and complains when people say he is.

The VMAs incident is referenced in West’s new song, “Famous.” A lyric that set Twitter on fire when the track debuted has West rapping, “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex / I made that bitch famous.”

Yep.

Now, we understand irony. We appreciate the power and necessity of braggadocio in hip-hop. We get that the song is a meditation on fame and that an “Imma let you finish” reference is a cheeky and clever layer to add to that conversation.

We also can sniff out calculated exploitation: Gee, I wonder if West knew that this lyric would make headlines. And that we have also have a kneejerk distaste for blatant and valueless misogyny, especially when it’s accompanied by a doth-protest-too-much Twitter rant by music’s biggest baby.

In the past people have viewed West’s Twitter account as some kind of performance art. (How else to explain this week’s outrageous "BILL COSBY INNOCENT !!!!!!!!!!" tweet?)


But lately it’s doubled as a platform in front of 18.6 million followers—and the additional millions who read the media’s incessant coverage of his account—to whine about various grievances and from which to conduct his daily affirmations about being the greatest.

Friday morning West, the grown man who insinuated in his new song that a 26-year-old singer will probably bang him because she owes him for making her more famous with his rude antics, was affronted that people, namely Swift, called him a misogynist.

It all started when Swift’s spokesperson released a statement in response to the lyrics.

“Kanye did not call for approval, but to ask Taylor to release his single ‘Famous’ on her Twitter account,” it reads. “She declined and cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message. Taylor was never made aware of the actual lyric, ‘I made that bitch famous.’”

Oh boy. The Greatest did not like that.

Cue the Twitter rant, an exercise that’s become a favorite pastime of West's whenever anyone questions his infallible genius.

“I did not diss Taylor Swift and I’ve never dissed her,” he tweeted. “First thing is I’m an artist and as an artist I will express how I feel with no censorship.”

Thus far there are nine “things.”

His second thing, he tweeted, was that he asked his wife, Kim Kardashian, for her blessing. (Don’t worry guys, Kim Kardashian doesn’t find West’s lyrical gag about banging Taylor Swift offensive.)

The third thing: “I called Taylor and had a hour long convo with her about the line and she thought it was funny and gave her blessings.” This obviously contradicts the statement Swift’s spokesperson made.

At best, what we have here is a classic he-said-she-said situation, each party with their own interest in doubling down on their own versions of the story.

At worst, what we have here is another ridiculous entry in the Kanye-Taylor circus canon, and an incendiary lyric that debases a successful woman, strips her of her agency, and, if she really did give her “blessings,” commoditizes misogyny as comedy for the goal of headline-making controversy and fame. Yay!

Oh, but wait! There are at least six more “things.”

The fourth thing is my favorite. “Bitch is an endearing term in hip hop like the word Nigga,” he tweeted. Imma let you finish but the level of degradation suggested here…actually, no. Imma just let you finish, Kanye, because that is a dumbass thing to say and it just speaks for itself.

He goes on to tweet the classiest thing possible when a person finds themselves the subject of controversy and outrage. He passes the blame. He claims it was Swift’s idea to use that lyric, a Eureka moment manifested at a dinner with a mutual friend “who’s [sic] name I’ll keep out of this and she told him.”

Then he goes on to the second-classiest thing to do when a person finds themselves the subject of controversy and outrage. He makes himself the victim.

We’re compromising his art, he said. We’re demonizing the artist. We’re controlling him with money and perception, the effect of which is muting culture. It’s watering down his music, he says. “I miss that DMX feeling.”

And apparently, he says, it all comes down to facts, tweeting, “I can’t be mad at Kanye because he made me famous! #FACTS.”

There’s institutionalized misogyny that begs to be addressed in hip-hop. Will outrage over a lyric about Taylor Swift fix that? Probably not. (And boy does it say something about white privilege if this is the thing that does.) And try not to read into the gender politics of a man conditioned to exaltation taking to Twitter to demand approval after being called out on his misogyny, going so far as to pass the blame onto the woman.

There’s a concession to be made, and it’s that it is a provocative notion to suggest that West’s VMAs interruption of Swift in 2009—an act that he was vilified for and which sainted Swift in all of the exhaustive press coverage of the event—was a major turning point in the then-country star’s career, raising awareness of who she was, solidifying her "BFF" brand, and catapulting her to a new echelon of fame.

We can actually buy and are intrigued by that argument.

Certainly, both West and Swift have exploited the event within an inch of its life in their respective careers.

West’s tearful apology to Swift on Jay Leno helped him reclaim fans he lost over the incident, and won him some new ones, too, who were impressed with his contriteness and humility. (Kanye West. Humility. LOL.) When Beyoncé lost the Album of the Year Grammy to Beck last year, he stormed the stage again in what was considered to be a hilarious stunt in which he owned his reputation and proved in on the joke of being the Volatile Kanye West.


Then last year it was Swift who actually presented West with the Video Vanguard award at the VMAs, a groan-worthy PR spectacle that paid off just the way its orchestrators planned.

Viewers ate it up like the manipulative candy it was, and Swift and West proved that appropriating scandal for your own benefit is the best way to handle a controversy in the reactionary social media age. Anger us, and fear the wrath of the Twitter pitchforks. Enamor us, and bask in 140-character adoration.

Based on West’s Twitter rant, it appeared that he was attempting to capitalize on the whole gross affair once again, by having Swift overtly be in on the joke of the “Famous” lyric by sharing it on her Twitter. Honestly, despite our own intense reaction to the tone of the lyrics, we could see a world in which Swift does just that.

It’s only since the plan backfired—Swift’s camp apparently ruled that a statement enforcing her feminism is more valuable than a move that suggests her willingness to laugh at herself—that West has found himself in this hot water.

And that’s the root of this whole, years-long Swift/West inanity, and why this latest development is so problematic and exhausting.

When West stormed the stage and, with his arrogance, diminished one woman’s accomplishments because he didn’t believe she earned it—and apparently his opinion is the only one that is valid—it was glaringly misogynistic. It was classless. It was demeaning. And it only happened because he devalued her.

Perhaps, in the current age of celebrity, there was no other option than Swift gamely participating in the exploitation of the incident over the years, particularly since the controversy’s longevity has continued to define her and his respective careers.

But now that there’s a chasm in the charade—Swift’s no longer playing along; she is, at least publicly, too offended—we’re able to look at the whole thing for what it really is: a misogynistic event that we have all been complicit in celebrating as pop culture iconography. We have as much a part in this as West and Swift do.



Will it ever be finished?


 
Kanye is an idiot. Taylor Swift put Taylor on. That's like saying Kanye put the Beatles on.
 
Taylor Swift warned Kanye West against 'strong misogynistic message' in 'Famous'

UPDATE: Kanye West insists he “did not diss Taylor Swift,” and claims he had her blessing. More here.

EARLIER: Taylor Swift would prefer not to let Kanye West finish this one.

West’s new track “Famous,” which debuted with his entire The Life of Pablo album at the Yeezy Season 3 fashion show at New York’s Madison Square Garden on Thursday, includes the lyrics, “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex / Why? I made that bitch famous.”

Now, Swift is speaking up, asserting that she objects to the song’s “strong misogynistic message” — and told Kanye so — but was never told about the line, “I made that bitch famous.”

According to a message supplied to EW from Swift’s rep, “Kanye did not call for approval, but to ask Taylor to release his single ‘Famous’ on her Twitter account. She declined and cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message. Taylor was never made aware of the actual lyric, ‘I made that bitch famous.’”

Swift’s brother Austin has already made his displeasure known: After the album’s debut, he posted an Instagram video in which he tossed his Yeezy sneakers in the trash, captioned, “Getting a head start on some spring cleaning. Here we go again.



 
He did put her on another level but why stir this corny shit up years later.
Kanye Kardashian, anything for attention

Exactly. This is like how Eminem would stir up beef by mentioning pop acts for attention when it was time for album to drop.
 
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Kanye got SNL tommrow and the Grammy's on Monday.

Let your music speak. All this drama is doing to much.
 
Kanye West vs. Taylor Swift: The Misogynistic Feud That Will Never End

Nearly seven years after he interrupted her at the VMAs, West references the incident in a misogynistic new song that has both parties attacking each other. Will it ever finish?
Kanye West lied. He’s never gonna let this finish.

Pop culture’s most curious spat—if that’s even what it could be categorized as—found its umpteenth life Friday, thanks to a he-said-she-said back and forth between Kanye West and Taylor Swift about lyrics to a song on his new album, The Life of Pablo. And this round? Just as icky as the first.

The lyric in question harkens back to the stage crash that started it all, West’s jarring and upsetting storming of the stage to interrupt a nubile Taylor Swift, not yet pop’s reigning queen, during an acceptance speech for her first ever MTV Video Music Award win back in 2009.

With four words—“Imma let you finish”—West created a meme, birthed an immortal pop-culture controversy, forever linked his career with Swift’s, and announced himself as one of the industry’s worst kinds of misogynists: Someone who swears he isn’t one and complains when people say he is.

The VMAs incident is referenced in West’s new song, “Famous.” A lyric that set Twitter on fire when the track debuted has West rapping, “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex / I made that bitch famous.”

Yep.

Now, we understand irony. We appreciate the power and necessity of braggadocio in hip-hop. We get that the song is a meditation on fame and that an “Imma let you finish” reference is a cheeky and clever layer to add to that conversation.

We also can sniff out calculated exploitation: Gee, I wonder if West knew that this lyric would make headlines. And that we have also have a kneejerk distaste for blatant and valueless misogyny, especially when it’s accompanied by a doth-protest-too-much Twitter rant by music’s biggest baby.

In the past people have viewed West’s Twitter account as some kind of performance art. (How else to explain this week’s outrageous "BILL COSBY INNOCENT !!!!!!!!!!" tweet?)


But lately it’s doubled as a platform in front of 18.6 million followers—and the additional millions who read the media’s incessant coverage of his account—to whine about various grievances and from which to conduct his daily affirmations about being the greatest.

Friday morning West, the grown man who insinuated in his new song that a 26-year-old singer will probably bang him because she owes him for making her more famous with his rude antics, was affronted that people, namely Swift, called him a misogynist.

It all started when Swift’s spokesperson released a statement in response to the lyrics.

“Kanye did not call for approval, but to ask Taylor to release his single ‘Famous’ on her Twitter account,” it reads. “She declined and cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message. Taylor was never made aware of the actual lyric, ‘I made that bitch famous.’”

Oh boy. The Greatest did not like that.

Cue the Twitter rant, an exercise that’s become a favorite pastime of West's whenever anyone questions his infallible genius.

“I did not diss Taylor Swift and I’ve never dissed her,” he tweeted. “First thing is I’m an artist and as an artist I will express how I feel with no censorship.”

Thus far there are nine “things.”

His second thing, he tweeted, was that he asked his wife, Kim Kardashian, for her blessing. (Don’t worry guys, Kim Kardashian doesn’t find West’s lyrical gag about banging Taylor Swift offensive.)

The third thing: “I called Taylor and had a hour long convo with her about the line and she thought it was funny and gave her blessings.” This obviously contradicts the statement Swift’s spokesperson made.

At best, what we have here is a classic he-said-she-said situation, each party with their own interest in doubling down on their own versions of the story.

At worst, what we have here is another ridiculous entry in the Kanye-Taylor circus canon, and an incendiary lyric that debases a successful woman, strips her of her agency, and, if she really did give her “blessings,” commoditizes misogyny as comedy for the goal of headline-making controversy and fame. Yay!

Oh, but wait! There are at least six more “things.”

The fourth thing is my favorite. “Bitch is an endearing term in hip hop like the word Nigga,” he tweeted. Imma let you finish but the level of degradation suggested here…actually, no. Imma just let you finish, Kanye, because that is a dumbass thing to say and it just speaks for itself.

He goes on to tweet the classiest thing possible when a person finds themselves the subject of controversy and outrage. He passes the blame. He claims it was Swift’s idea to use that lyric, a Eureka moment manifested at a dinner with a mutual friend “who’s [sic] name I’ll keep out of this and she told him.”

Then he goes on to the second-classiest thing to do when a person finds themselves the subject of controversy and outrage. He makes himself the victim.

We’re compromising his art, he said. We’re demonizing the artist. We’re controlling him with money and perception, the effect of which is muting culture. It’s watering down his music, he says. “I miss that DMX feeling.”

And apparently, he says, it all comes down to facts, tweeting, “I can’t be mad at Kanye because he made me famous! #FACTS.”

There’s institutionalized misogyny that begs to be addressed in hip-hop. Will outrage over a lyric about Taylor Swift fix that? Probably not. (And boy does it say something about white privilege if this is the thing that does.) And try not to read into the gender politics of a man conditioned to exaltation taking to Twitter to demand approval after being called out on his misogyny, going so far as to pass the blame onto the woman.

There’s a concession to be made, and it’s that it is a provocative notion to suggest that West’s VMAs interruption of Swift in 2009—an act that he was vilified for and which sainted Swift in all of the exhaustive press coverage of the event—was a major turning point in the then-country star’s career, raising awareness of who she was, solidifying her "BFF" brand, and catapulting her to a new echelon of fame.

We can actually buy and are intrigued by that argument.

Certainly, both West and Swift have exploited the event within an inch of its life in their respective careers.

West’s tearful apology to Swift on Jay Leno helped him reclaim fans he lost over the incident, and won him some new ones, too, who were impressed with his contriteness and humility. (Kanye West. Humility. LOL.) When Beyoncé lost the Album of the Year Grammy to Beck last year, he stormed the stage again in what was considered to be a hilarious stunt in which he owned his reputation and proved in on the joke of being the Volatile Kanye West.


Then last year it was Swift who actually presented West with the Video Vanguard award at the VMAs, a groan-worthy PR spectacle that paid off just the way its orchestrators planned.

Viewers ate it up like the manipulative candy it was, and Swift and West proved that appropriating scandal for your own benefit is the best way to handle a controversy in the reactionary social media age. Anger us, and fear the wrath of the Twitter pitchforks. Enamor us, and bask in 140-character adoration.

Based on West’s Twitter rant, it appeared that he was attempting to capitalize on the whole gross affair once again, by having Swift overtly be in on the joke of the “Famous” lyric by sharing it on her Twitter. Honestly, despite our own intense reaction to the tone of the lyrics, we could see a world in which Swift does just that.

It’s only since the plan backfired—Swift’s camp apparently ruled that a statement enforcing her feminism is more valuable than a move that suggests her willingness to laugh at herself—that West has found himself in this hot water.

And that’s the root of this whole, years-long Swift/West inanity, and why this latest development is so problematic and exhausting.

When West stormed the stage and, with his arrogance, diminished one woman’s accomplishments because he didn’t believe she earned it—and apparently his opinion is the only one that is valid—it was glaringly misogynistic. It was classless. It was demeaning. And it only happened because he devalued her.

Perhaps, in the current age of celebrity, there was no other option than Swift gamely participating in the exploitation of the incident over the years, particularly since the controversy’s longevity has continued to define her and his respective careers.

But now that there’s a chasm in the charade—Swift’s no longer playing along; she is, at least publicly, too offended—we’re able to look at the whole thing for what it really is: a misogynistic event that we have all been complicit in celebrating as pop culture iconography. We have as much a part in this as West and Swift do.



Will it ever be finished?

two bitches arguing over bullshit??? And I'm supposed to read all that fuckery.
Let me check with my reading advisor....
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Taylor Swift opens up about 'two-faced' Kanye West and that infamous phone call


By Nick Romano
September 18, 2019 at 09:44 AM EDT


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Taylor Swift rarely sits down for chats with members of the press these days. But her new album, Lover, is changing that. EW was fortunate to get one of those interviews, and the next big sit-down comes from Rolling Stone. During the conversation, published Wednesday morning, the “ME!” singer opened up about the long-gestating tension between her and rapper Kanye West, as well as the now-infamous phone call they shared.

“The world didn’t understand the context and the events that led up to it. Because nothing ever just happens like that without some lead-up,” Swift says of that call.

Swift and West’s volatile relationship dates back to the 2009 VMAs, when West stormed the stage during her acceptance speech for Best Female Video and yelled, “I’m really happy for you. I’mma let you finish, but Beyoncé had one of the best videos of all time!”


“I started to feel like we reconnected, which felt great for me — because all I ever wanted my whole career after that thing happened in 2009 was for him to respect me,” Swift explains. “When someone doesn’t respect you so loudly and says you literally don’t deserve to be here — I just so badly wanted that respect from him, and I hate that about myself, that I was like, ‘This guy who’s antagonizing me, I just want his approval.’ But that’s where I was.”

The 29-year-old noted how they would “go to dinner and stuff” and West would “say really nice things” about her music. Then the 2015 VMAs happened.




“He’s getting the Vanguard Award. He called me up beforehand — I didn’t illegally record it, so I can’t play it for you,” she says, in reference to how West’s wife Kim Kardashian would later share alleged audio of the phone call between Swift and West on social media.

“But he called me up, maybe a week or so before the event, and we had maybe over an hourlong conversation, and he’s like, ‘I really, really would like for you to present this Vanguard Award to me, this would mean so much to me,’ and went into all the reasons why it means so much, because he can be so sweet,” Swift continues. “He can be the sweetest. And I was so stoked that he asked me that.”

After Swift delivered her speech at the VMAs, West accepted the award and said, “You know how many times they announced Taylor was going to give me the award ’cause it got them more ratings?”

“I’m standing in the audience with my arm around his wife, and this chill ran through my body,” Swift recalls. “I realized he is so two-faced. That he wants to be nice to me behind the scenes, but then he wants to look cool, get up in front of everyone and talk shit. And I was so upset.”

Swift says she tried moving past this as West later sent her flowers to apologize, but then the phone call in question came about — the one where West called about his song “Famous,” seemingly to get permission to reference Swift. The lyrics read, “I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex / Why? I made that b— famous.” West claims he received permission from Swift, but she denies it. Kardashian then posted audio of the phone call on social media during this thick of things that appeared to support West’s claim.

Speaking to this phone call, Swift says, “When he gets on the phone with me, and I was so touched that he would be respectful and, like, tell me about this one line in the song… And I was like, ‘Okay, good. We’re back on good terms.’ And then when I heard the song, I was like, ‘I’m done with this. If you want to be on bad terms, let’s be on bad terms, but just be real about it.'”

Swift, who released her Lover album in August, recently announced a two-stop U.S. concert tour, Lover Fest, first in Los Angeles and then in Massachusetts. She’ll also appear as a Mega Mentor on The Voice season 17.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/taylor-swift-rolling-stone-interview-880794/
 
Leaked Video From That Infamous Kanye West–Taylor Swift Call Might Change Everything
By Chris Murphy
Photo: Kevin Winter/MTV1415/Getty Images for MTV
Some feuds were built to stand the test of time. David and Goliath. Olivia de Havilland and Joan Fontaine. And, obviously, Kanye West and Taylor Swift. In news that feels like it belongs in 2015, more footage of the infamous phone call between West and Swift has apparently leaked on YouTube. According to The Independent, the allegedly unedited video shows West on the phone with Swift discussing the lyrics to his song “Famous,” which was featured on his album The Life of Pablo. “It has a very controversial line at the beginning of the song about you,” West explains to Swift around the 12-minute mark, adding: “I don’t think it’s mean.” He goes on recite the notorious line (you know, the one about him and Taylor maybe having sex one day) before asking her to sign off on it:

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Okay, well this is the thing why I’m calling you, because you got an army, you own a country of motherfucking 2 billion people, basically. If you felt that it’s funny and cool and hip-hop, and felt like it’s the College Dropout and Ye that you love, people would be way into it, and that’s why I think it’s super genius to have you be the one that says, ‘Oh I like this song a lot … this is cool.’
In response, the Miss Americana star chuckled and said “that’s not mean,” but did say that she needed “to think about it” before giving her stamp of approval. This version of events is at odds with what West and his wife, Kim Kardashian, purported to have happened. In 2016, Kardashian posted a video on her Snapchat of Swift allegedly signing off on the lyric. Swift subsequently accused Kardashian of being a “snake” for claiming she was unaware that West was going to call her a “bitch” in the song. The whole incident was yet another chapter in an incredibly long and drawn-out feud that may or may not have contributed to Swift’s temporary hiatus from the music industry.

Swift fans are using the footage as evidence that she was always in the right, sparking the hashtags #TaylorToldTheTruth and #KanyeWestIsOverParty over social media. However, a few questions remain. How long can this feud possibly last? How many videos of this phone call exist? Are we going to have to watch new leaked footage of this video every some odd years for the rest of our natural lives? If the footage is real, does anyone, other than Todrick Hall, still care? Not to be grim, but there are bigger issues at hand.
 
Now That No One Cares Anymore, Who Was Right in the Kanye-Taylor Feud?
By Nate Jones@kn8
Who was right? And more importantly, who was wrong? Photo-Illustration: Vulture and Getty Images

I don’t know if you noticed, but something amazing happened this week. Locked at home in a quarantine that shows no sign of ending any time soon, the nation was primed for a silly bit of celebrity gossip to distract us. And yet, when Taylor Swift and Kanye West reignited their now decade-old feud, the response from the public was a resounding, “Anything but that!” Millions of people are stuck inside with nothing to do but stare at their phones, and yet, I get the sense that most of them would rather go out and lick a grocery cart than hear any more of this increasingly legalistic back-and-forth about who said what to whom regarding the opening lines of a rap song released in February 2016 — an epoch so far back in time, Flo Rida had a top-ten hit.

Remember, this feud once inspired so much passion that all of Hollywood, from the A-list down to the C, was forced to take sides. It was like the Civil War: brother against brother, pop star against pop star, Chloë against Khloé. Now it is just a depressing memento of a bygone, slightly decadent age, like Britney Spears’s 2001 VMAs performance, but without any actual snakes.

However, the fact that this feud no longer arouses any passion, any ire, any emotion whatsoever, makes now the perfect time to relitigate it once and for all. Let’s pore over all the public statements, all the tweets, all the leaks, and finally get a clear and objective answer to the question that ended so many friendships: In the end, which of these two whiny millionaires was right? Call us the FDA, because we’re investigating old beef.

Part I: What Happened on the Phone Call

The feud burst back into the news this week with the release of additional footage of the infamous January 2016 phone call between Swift and West regarding his reference to her on his track “Famous” off his album The Life of Pablo, released the following month. As much of the dispute hinges on rival accounts of what exactly went down on this call, I originally planned to include the whole transcript in this post, but then it turned out to be a 20-minute conversation full of tangents about Nike, the Grammys, and the time Kanye said he was going to run for president. So instead I’ll just give you a bullet-point summary.

• Kanye begins the call asking if Swift wants to be involved with the official social-media debut of the song, which we’ll later learn has the working title “Hood Famous.” As he transfers her to speakerphone, Swift says she thinks that would be a little confusing: “People would be like, why is this happening?” The reason why, Kanye tells her, “is it has a very controversial line at the beginning of the song, about you.” Every time he’s about to tell her what it says, he starts to stall or change the subject; he is visibly nervous about actually saying the line. Taylor picks up on this: “Is it going to be mean?” He assures her it’s not mean.

• Finally, Kanye tells her the line: “To all my South Side n- - - -s that know me best / I feel like Taylor Swift might owe me sex.” Taylor is relieved that it’s not mean. She tells him she expected the worst: “The buildup you gave it, I thought it was gonna be like, ‘that stupid dumb bitch,’ but it’s not.” She tells him that she needs to think about it before giving a definite answer, and reiterates that she doesn’t think the launch thing is a good idea. But overall she sounds positive. “I definitely think that when I’m asked about it, I’ll be like, ‘Yeah, I’m a big fan, I love that, I think it’s hilarious,’” Swift says. After they talk more about how her being part of the launch could be misinterpreted, she again signals her approval of the line itself: “It’s like a compliment.” Kanye backs down on the issue of the launch.

• Kanye then tells Taylor about another draft of the line that he threw out because his wife didn’t like it: “To all my South Side n- - - -s that know me best / I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex.” (This is the line that would ultimately make it into the song.) Swift is neutral about which one he uses: “They’re both edgy.” She says she thinks “the feminists are gonna come out” if he uses the “owe” version but ventures that he probably doesn’t “give a fuck.” Ultimately, Taylor tells him to “go with whatever line is better. It’s obviously very tongue-in-cheek either way.”

• After this, the conversation warms up. Kanye is relieved Taylor is okay with the line; Taylor is grateful that Kanye reached out to check. Both sound happy they’ve put any discord behind them and can be friends again. But then Kanye springs it on her that there’s a second reference in the song. “What if later in the song, I was to have said, ‘I made her famous’?” he asks. The mood gets slightly colder, as Swift clearly doesn’t love this line. “It’s just kind of like, whatever,” she says. She tells him to speak his truth, but there’s a little bit of an edge to the conversation now: “Like, you honestly didn’t know who I was before [the incident at the 2009 VMAs]. It doesn’t matter that I sold seven million of that album before you did that — which is what happened — you didn’t know who I was before that. It’s fine.” It does not sound really fine. But then she turns on the warmth again. “I can’t wait to hear it,” she says.

• Crucially, despite how this new video has been billed, it is not the full, unedited conversation. Shortly after this, Kanye tells Taylor he’s going to send her the song so that they can make sure everything is cool. The video cuts a few seconds later. The rest of the conversation in the video doesn’t touch on “Famous,” and it abruptly cuts off before the end of the call. Notably, it does not include the portion of the conversation Kim Kardashian would later release on her Snapchat, in which Swift says, “It’s awesome that you can be so outspoken, like ‘Yeah, she does, it made her famous!’” It is also unclear from the video whether West did indeed send Swift the song, but he does not appear to have.

Part II: What Everyone Said About It Later

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What Taylor Said: West would perform “Famous” for the first time at the Life of Pablo launch event at Madison Square Garden in February 2016, a night that birthed the latest iteration of the feud. The song’s opening was exactly as West said on the phone call, with one crucial addition: “To all my South Side n- - - -s that know me best / I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex / Why? I made that bitch famous.” TMZ reports the existence of the call on which Taylor was given a heads-up, but Swift’s team issues a denial. “Kanye did not call for approval, but to ask Taylor to release his single ‘Famous’ on her Twitter account,” her longtime publicist Tree Paine tells the Times. “She declined and cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message. Taylor was never made aware of the actual lyric, ‘I made that [expletive] famous.’”

Was This True? Team Swift’s first statement contains four assertions. Two of them are true: Kanye’s first request on the call was to ask her to launch the song on her social media, and Taylor was not informed of the version of the song that called her a bitch. But the other two are stretches. The call also included an element of Kanye asking Swift’s approval, if only in subtext, and though Swift hedged on giving a definitive yes, she did signal her support for the line. And while it’s possible that Taylor gave Kanye a stronger warning on the portion of the call we haven’t heard, the only cautioning about misogyny in the 20 minutes we do have is her brief note that feminists might get mad at him, and in context, Taylor is presenting that as something separate from her own opinion, which is positive.

What Kanye Said: In a series of since-deleted tweets, West defends himself. “I did not diss Taylor Swift and I’ve never dissed her,” he said. He reiterates that he had called Taylor to tell her about the line and that “she thought it was funny and gave her blessings.” Besides, the word “bitch” was “an endearing term” in hip-hop. Oh, and the whole thing was Taylor’s idea in first place: “It’s actually something Taylor came up with … She was having dinner with one of our friends [whose] name I will keep out of this and she told him I can’t be mad at Kanye because he made me famous!”

Was This True? One part was: On the call, Swift did say she thought the line was funny, and did appear to give her tentative blessing. But the rest is a mix of half-truths and outright falsehoods. On the phone, Taylor clearly stated how relieved she was that the line did not call her a “bitch”; Kanye elides the fact that the version she gave her blessing did not include that word, glossing over the addition with a feeble excuse about it actually being a compliment. And the notion that Swift “came up with” the line strains credulity. On the call, Swift is noticeably less jazzed about the line saying Kanye made her famous; Kanye claiming she said something similar to an unnamed third party is either a terribly mangled game of telephone, or, more likely, a complete invention.

What Taylor Said Next: The war of words escalates a few days later at the Grammys, where Swift uses her Album of the Year win for 1989 to address the feud again. “As the first woman to win Album of the Year at the Grammys twice, I want to say to all the young women out there, there will be people along the way who will try to undercut your success, or take credit for your accomplishments or your fame,” she says. “But if you just focus on the work, you will look around and you will know that it was you and the people who love you that put you there.” This is widely assumed to be a shot at West.

Was This True? Much will hinge on whether Swift’s umbrage at the Grammys was genuine or not. Without access to Taylor Swift’s interior life, this point is unresolvable. But it feels plausible that after the “bitch” switcharoo, her feelings about the song would turn significantly more negative.

What Kim Kardashian West Said: The feud goes dormant for a few months, until Kim Kardashian reignites it in a June 2016 GQ profile that touches on the furor over the “Famous” line. “She totally approved that,” Kim tells the mag. “She totally knew that that was coming out. She wanted to all of a sudden act like she didn’t.” Kardashian West adds that Swift’s outrage on the “bitch” issue was likely disingenuous: “He’s called me a bitch in his songs. That’s just, like, what they say.” She also says Swift told West that she would speak out in support of the song if asked, only to “completely [diss] my husband just to play the victim again” at the Grammys. Most explosively, she says Swift’s lawyers sent a letter telling Kanye to destroy footage of the phone call.

Was This True? Again, Team Kanye tells the truth about the phone call, but mixes in some willful denial. Kim waves away the reasonable interpretation that Swift was upset about the “bitch” line with the specious reasoning that, since she’s not offended by the word, no other offense could be genuine. This assumption of bad faith colors her judgement of Swift’s Grammy’s speech: Because she’s unwilling to entertain the possibility that Swift’s feelings were indeed hurt, the only possible explanation for the gap between Taylor’s private and public statements about the song is that Taylor Swift is a lying backstabber.

What Taylor Said Next: In a statement to GQ, Team Swift does not address the claim that they sent a cease-and-desist letter about the tape. They do, however, claim that “much of what Kim is saying is incorrect.”
Kanye West and Taylor only spoke once on the phone while she was on vacation with her family in January of 2016 and they have never spoken since. Taylor has never denied that conversation took place. It was on that phone call that Kanye West also asked her to release the song on her Twitter account, which she declined to do. Kanye West never told Taylor he was going to use the term ‘that bitch’ in referencing her. A song cannot be approved if it was never heard. Kanye West never played the song for Taylor Swift. Taylor heard it for the first time when everyone else did and was humiliated.
The statement also claims that Swift did not know the phone call was being recorded, and ended with a plea for sympathy: “Taylor cannot understand why Kanye West, and now Kim Kardashian, will not just leave her alone.”

Was This True? This is all mostly true. Kanye did ask Taylor to release the song on Twitter, which she declined to do, and she was not informed about the “bitch” line. But we can see how Swift’s initial statement muddied the waters. She says now that she “has never denied that the conversation took place,” but since her earlier half-truth that “Kanye did not call for approval” was widely taken as a denial that any sort of conversation about granting permission for the line took place, this feels like a slight stretch even though it’s technically true. And while it is also true that Taylor never officially granted permission because Kanye didn’t send her the song, her fallback position, that therefore anything she said on the call shouldn’t count, will leave her dangerously exposed in the event that portions of the call become public.

What Kanye Did Next: Later that month, Kanye intensifies the feud by releasing the “Famous” music video, which features nude wax sculptures of various celebrities sleeping together in a bed. Swift is among them.

Was This True? True or false is sort of moot, but these are clearly not the actions of someone who is trying to de-escalate a situation. (Swift, for her part, does not respond to the bait.)

What Kim Did Next: In July 2016, the whole thing comes to a head when Kardashian West leaks excerpts from the phone conversation on her Snapchat. Taylor’s positive statements about the song become public for the first time.

Was This True? The Snapchat excerpts paint a vivid picture, but it is not the whole picture. It’s a highly edited selection of Taylor at her most complimentary and Kanye at his most obsequious. Crucially, it does not reveal the “bitch” switcharoo, or the initial awkwardness around the “made her famous” line. Nevertheless, Team Kanye embraces the strategy of treating the footage as total vindication. And since Taylor has been so cagey about her initial support, it’s taken that way by the public.

What Taylor Said Next: In an infamous Notes App screenshot, Taylor attempts to get the last word:
Where is the video of Kanye telling me he was going to call me “that bitch” in his song? It doesn’t exist because it never happened. You don’t get to control someone’s emotional response to being called “that bitch” in front of the entire word. Of course I wanted to like the song. I wanted to believe Kanye when he told me that I would love the song. I wanted us to have a friendly relationship. He promised to play the song for me, but he never did. While I wanted to be supportive of Kanye on the phone call, you cannot “approve” a song you’ve never heard. Being falsely painted as a liar when I was never given the full story or played any part in the song is character assassination. I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative, one that I have never asked to be a part of, since 2009.
It doesn’t work. The statement is either laughed off, or else examined for further signs of nefariousness. With the general consensus that she is a lying snake, Swift retreats from public life for more than a year, finally emerging in 2017 with Reputation, a concept album about the scandal. “Therein lies the issue / Friends don’t try to trick you / Get you on the phone and mind-twist you,” she sings in one track.

Was This True? It’s a little depressing to remember how much mockery this statement received at the time, as it seems a fairly honest account of what went down. (Minus the “never asked to be a part of” bit, which overlooks the whole “Innocent” saga.”) But by now it was clear Swift was on her heels. As she herself said on the phone call, she was already primed for a fall from grace — she’d been way overexposed after the 1989 tour, and after her Twitter spat with Nicki Minaj over the VMAs, her star image had obtained racialized notes of self-interest and treachery. In an atmosphere like that, the mere existence of “secret receipts” becomes damning evidence, no matter what’s actually in them.

Part III: So, Who Was Right?

In a way, Swift was damned by her initial response. Had her February 2016 statement said something like, “We talked about it, and I said it was okay, but he didn’t tell me about the ‘bitch’ line and I found that really disrespectful,” could that have headed off much of the trouble Swift found herself in July? By issuing a categorical denial that she’d ever given anything close to her approval of the song, she set herself up to be unmasked as a liar when the call was leaked. So why didn’t she hew closer to the truth? My best explanation, having been in these kinds of emotional confrontations before, is that when you are in the middle of them it is very easy to dwell endlessly on all the wrongs the other party has inflicted on you, and very hard to recall your own contributions to a situation. Having been burned by the “bitch” issue, Swift saw no other option than to go full scorched-earth, which ended up backfiring.

But the “bitch” issue was not a sidebar. It was a legitimate grievance. Swift made it clear on the call that she was okay with any reference as long as it wasn’t insulting, and no matter what Kanye’s own opinion was, she said in plain English that she considered “bitch” an insult. Kanye either did not pick up on this, or chose to ignore it to suit his own needs. Furthermore, as the one releasing the song, Kanye bore more responsibility for any rifts it created. He did not embrace this responsibility as he should have. He took Swift’s tentative approval as blanket 100 percent support, while abandoning his own promise to send her the track. Nor did he do any work to repair the friendship once it became clear that Swift was unhappy with the song. Rather than call her again to sort the situation out, his initial response was to deny that Swift had a right to be offended, then paint the entire thing as her idea — the biggest lie of the entire saga.

It’s interesting to recall the ten years of ups and downs in the Kanye-Taylor feud, and see how sympathy in the matter has gravitated towards whichever of the pair is currently enjoying more professional success. Swift initially triumphed in the court of public opinion, but by the time Kanye released My Beautiful Dark Fantasy, wasn’t she milking it a little too much? When she was winning a Grammy, the “Famous” line was clearly misogynist. When people got a little sick of her, suddenly she was a lying manipulator. Now that Kanye has flirted with Trumpism and released a string of sub-par albums, while Swift has successfully completed her second woke re-brand, the world is primed to be on her side again. Which is good, because after painstakingly going over all the evidence, we can conclusively say:

In the feud between Taylor Swift and Kanye West, Taylor Swift was right.


That’s all.

 
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