Most US Students Think Beethoven is a Dog (And other stunners)

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:smh: :smh: :smh: Let's privatize everything so we can never fix our public school system. And hey, we will always have a class of serfdom. Jesus, this is a whole other level. One pope :smh: Man, we need to bring back the discipline in 2010 or these kids are doomed. These skinny jeans are probably to blame. :lol:

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http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0818/students-beethoven-dog/

Most young Americans entering university this year can't write in cursive, think email is too slow, that Beethoven's a dog and Michelangelo a computer virus, according to an annual list compiled by two academics at a US college.

To students who will get their bachelor's degrees in 2014, Czechoslovakia has never existed, Fergie is a pop singer, not a duchess; Clint Eastwood is a sensitive movie director, not Dirty Harry; and John McEnroe stars in TV ads, not on the tennis court, Beloit College's "Mindset" list says.

The Mindset list was first compiled in 1998, for the class of 2002, by Beloit humanities professor Tom McBride and former public affairs director Ron Nief.

It was intended as a reminder to faculty at the university that references quickly become dated, but quickly evolved to become a hugely popular annual list that gives a snapshot of how things have changed, and chronicles key cultural and political events that have shaped a generation.

In the first Mindset list, McBride and Nief found that youngsters born in 1980 had ever known only one pope - Polish-born John Paul II, who was elected to the papacy in 1978 and died in 2008.
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For the class of 2003 -- born in 1981 and featured on the 1999 Mindset list -- Yugoslavia never existed and they were puzzled why Solidarity was sometimes spelled with a capital S.

Solidarity with a capital S was the first and only independent trade union in the Soviet bloc. It was created in 1980 and went on to negotiate in 1989 a peaceful end to communism in Poland, making the country the first to escape Moscow's grip.

Nief and McBride take a year to put the list together, gathering outside contributions and poring over journals, literary works, and the popular media from the year of the incoming university students' birth.

"Then we present the ideas to every 18-year-old whose attention we can get and we wait for the 'mindset moment' -- the blank stare that comes back at you that makes you realize they have no idea what you're talking about," Nief told AFP.

Those moments make it onto the list, alongside interesting historical snippets like the fact that since the class of 2004 was born in 1982, all but one national election in the United States has had a candidate in it named George Bush.

The list also chronicles geopolitical changes, and sometimes depressingly highlights how little progress has been made on key issues, such as the fight against AIDS.

The class of 2004, for instance, "never referred to Russia and China as 'the Reds'", and in the year they were born, 1982, "AIDS was found to have killed 164 people and finding a cure for the new disease was designated a 'top priority' for government-sponsored research."

The class of 2005 -- born in 1983 -- thought of Sarajevo as a war zone, not an Olympic host, and had no idea what carbon paper was.

Apartheid never existed in South Africa for the class of 2006, and for the class of 2007, "Banana Republic has always been a store, not a puppet government in Latin America."

The list is a mirror of how rapidly perceptions can change: to the class of 2013, boxer Mike Tyson was "always a felon" but to students who graduated five years earlier, Tyson was "always a contender."

The list makes some people feel old, like those who remember what Michael Jackson looked like when he was singing in the Jackson Five or recall the days when there were only a handful of channels on television.

But they're not the only ones who get the blues over the list.

"There are 25- and 26-year-olds that tell us they feel old when they read the list," Nief said.

"Just two years ago, there were some students who learned to type on a typewriter," but others in the graduating class of 2012 didn't know that IBM had ever made typewriters, said Nief.

Few students in the class of 2009 knew how to tie a tie and most thought Iran and Iraq had never been at war with each other.

And for US students who got their bachelor's degrees this year, Germany was never divided, professional athletes have always competed in the Olympics, there have always been reality shows on television and smoking has never been allowed on US airlines.
 
"Just two years ago, there were some students who learned to type on a typewriter," but others in the graduating class of 2012 didn't know that IBM had ever made typewriters, said Nief.


bullshit... i graduated high school in the '90's and i didnt learn to type on a typewriter.
 
This list of "stunners" fails to amaze me. Notably, these younger generation aren't as culturally informed as previous generations their information is severly limited---limited in the sense that they only look for information to appeals to them. When I was younger, I used to plow through the dictionary or encyclopedia to learn about something new.

Nowadays, folks have no little to no bookshelves in the damn house except for show. Although it would seem brillant for us Americans to have some cultural common knowledge but if they're myopic and practical (to an extent), all that information is pointless.
 
they don't know this shit cause they don't get taught this shit
i was taught about things that happened before my time in majority of classes so i don't really get where they're coming from with this list. i saw my class and the info they provided was more on a since we've been alive these things have or have not existed...not that we didn't know that this stuff happened. which is 2 totally different things
 
And most US students also think Beethoven was White. Wonder why? :hmm:

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Most young Americans entering university this year can't write in cursive, think email is too slow, that Beethoven's a dog and Michelangelo a computer virus, according to an annual list compiled by two academics at a US college.
well it's obvious they're not talking about blacks, cause we dont graduate high school or go to college *wink*

ever watch jay leno's 'jaywalking' segments? those stupid mid-western white people who cant tell you where miami is or who our president is?
 
americans have always been anti-intellectual. how many people seriously listen to beethoven and look at works of art by michaelangelo? has to be less than 20% that are into that type of stuff.
 
they don't know this shit cause they don't get taught this shit
i was taught about things that happened before my time in majority of classes so i don't really get where they're coming from with this list. i saw my class and the info they provided was more on a since we've been alive these things have or have not existed...not that we didn't know that this stuff happened. which is 2 totally different things

Beethoven is a dog? I know the movie, I never saw it. Is this on cable a lot? It would explain things. :lol: What they are getting at is, kids are losing touch with the basics even more than ever before. Mike Judge is a prophet.



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they don't know this shit cause they don't get taught this shit
i was taught about things that happened before my time in majority of classes so i don't really get where they're coming from with this list. i saw my class and the info they provided was more on a since we've been alive these things have or have not existed...not that we didn't know that this stuff happened. which is 2 totally different things

Sad.

You look like you're the ONLY one who actually READ the article.

The article is not about what American kids today don't know, it's about the amount of change that can happen in a short amount of time and how that information is relevant to the age group referenced.

This article really points something out that I've felt all along.

To actually live thru something vs. reading it in a history book are two totally different things.

On quiz shows the younger person is at a distinct disadvantage when questions are on recent history.

Those of us old enough remember the Olympics in Sarajevo.

The younger generation only remember it as a war zone, this is NOT their fault!

This article really points out how history is always in flux.
 
"Just two years ago, there were some students who learned to type on a typewriter," but others in the graduating class of 2012 didn't know that IBM had ever made typewriters, said Nief.


bullshit... i graduated high school in the '90's and i didnt learn to type on a typewriter.

You had to sign up for the typing class, it wasn't automatically taught.

It also depends on the school itself.
 
You had to sign up for the typing class, it wasn't automatically taught.

It also depends on the school itself.

signing up for the class has nothing to do with how typing was being taught. the article made it seem like 2 years ago there was still kids learning how to set margins manually and learning all the others things that needed to me done on typewriters.
 
well it's obvious they're not talking about blacks, cause we dont graduate high school or go to college *wink*

ever watch jay leno's 'jaywalking' segments? those stupid mid-western white people who cant tell you where miami is or who our president is?

Those segments were scary. :smh: :smh: We all have holes in our education in certain areas. Those were not holes, those were wormholes to Moronia Dimension. :lol:
 
Sad.

You look like you're the ONLY one who actually READ the article.

The article is not about what American kids today don't know, it's about the amount of change that can happen in a short amount of time and how that information is relevant to the age group referenced.

This article really points something out that I've felt all along.

To actually live thru something vs. reading it in a history book are two totally different things.

On quiz shows the younger person is at a distinct disadvantage when questions are on recent history.

Those of us old enough remember the Olympics in Sarajevo.

The younger generation only remember it as a war zone, this is NOT their fault!

This article really points out how history is always in flux.

Beethoven being a dog, you have to admit the distractions must be immense to make that one come to life. Although I do have to admit a Saint Bernard is more interesting than a classical musician. That dog was huge! :lol: :lol: How did they control him? We need a course on Beethoven the dog. His relevance and cultural impact on society :dance: I think I can teach that. :lol: I dont even need to see the film :lol:
 
The public school system has been a poor organized one for a long time. Based on courses their for regurgitation rather than critical thinking.

It doesn't help as well that the former standards continue to be lowered to accommodate for no child left behind.

All the technology which should be for the improvement of education are simply used for recreation or monetary gains
 

No surprise. Most Americans, especially under age 35, are just plain old stupid!!!


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Functional illiteracy in North America is epidemic. There are 7 million illiterate Americans. Another 27 million are unable to read well enough to complete a job application, and 30 million can’t read a simple sentence. There are some 50 million who read at a fourth- or fifth-grade level. Nearly a third of the nation’s population is illiterate or barely literate – a figure that is growing by more than 2 million a year. A third of high-school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives, and neither do 42 percent of college graduates. In 2007, 80 percent of the families in the United States did not buy or read a book.


[/color] by Chris Hedges page 44
 
They're clowning college and high school kids, but some fuckin' ADULTS didn't know that shit! :smh:
 
signing up for the class has nothing to do with how typing was being taught. the article made it seem like 2 years ago there was still kids learning how to set margins manually and learning all the others things that needed to me done on typewriters.

Right.

BTW, LOL @ learning how to set margins manually, you took me waaayyy back with that one bruh!

I know for a fact that a friend of mine WAS a typing teacher at a high school here in NYC.

They ended the class something like 3 or 4 years ago.

And she didn't have that many students then.

That's why I said it depended on the school.

But the article only said "some" and they were using it as a reference to show that to the latest crop of students IBM typewriters have no relevance in their world.

And on Beethoven, it wasn't to show that they young people were ignorant on classical music, but that things in pop culture such as the movie "Beethoven" had more relevance in their lives.

Put it this way, if someone asked you to describe Bush sr., you would do it from your day to day memory of him while he was in office.

But someone coming out of high school today would only have the information on him that they got out of a textbook and perhaps a thing or two they may have heard their parents say.

Other than that, he's just the old man that was sitting next to Bill Clinton in those tsunami commercials!
 

No surprise. Most Americans, especially under age 35, are just plain old stupid!!!


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Functional illiteracy in North America is epidemic. There are 7 million illiterate Americans. Another 27 million are unable to read well enough to complete a job application, and 30 million can’t read a simple sentence. There are some 50 million who read at a fourth- or fifth-grade level. Nearly a third of the nation’s population is illiterate or barely literate – a figure that is growing by more than 2 million a year. A third of high-school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives, and neither do 42 percent of college graduates. In 2007, 80 percent of the families in the United States did not buy or read a book.


[/color] by Chris Hedges page 44

:eek::eek::eek:
 

No surprise. Most Americans, especially under age 35, are just plain old stupid!!!


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Functional illiteracy in North America is epidemic. There are 7 million illiterate Americans. Another 27 million are unable to read well enough to complete a job application, and 30 million can’t read a simple sentence. There are some 50 million who read at a fourth- or fifth-grade level. Nearly a third of the nation’s population is illiterate or barely literate – a figure that is growing by more than 2 million a year. A third of high-school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives, and neither do 42 percent of college graduates. In 2007, 80 percent of the families in the United States did not buy or read a book.


[/color] by Chris Hedges page 44

This is sad but true. I see it every year at the school I teach. Everytime conference time comes around I get parents that say "____________ doesn't like to read, I don't know why." I'm like "Do you take them to the bookstore at all?" They look at me like :eek: :confused::o "That's a good idea! I never thought about that....but see the thing is I don't read a lot either." It's like the bookstore is evil or something.
 
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