Monster Kody 2Pac Conversation Audio 1995 (Holy Shit)

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Didn't know it was being recorded by the answering machine, that's a long ass tape. :lol: Pretty interesting historical document if you think about it. :eek: :dance:






Dude was obviously happy as hell to talk to Pac.
Nigga sounded like a BIG ass fan.
His broke ass was also tyrna hustle off Pac as well.
He was throwing movie deals, book deals, etc etc at him.
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Dope interview!!!


As for Pac being a hypocrite.
Not tryan make excuses......But Pac was a young dude with a lot demons.
Just listen to his songs.

Pac was also vulnerable under Death Row.
Suge had a strangle hold on most of them niggas.
Pac didnt have the type of clout and influence that Suge had in LA.
Folks in LA know what im typing about.
There was a lot of fear involved.
Sometimes to get along you have to play along.

Im not gonna fault him from being a knuckle head at times in his early 20's...cause i was one as well...yet i turned my life around in a major way later into my 20's. Based off the good that he talked....imho...he wouldve turned his shit around as well. Sadly...we'll neva know.
 
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So folks were warned by the killers.

In that situation, doesn't the state have a right to offer witness protection if they really want the killers?


Without that protection, are you not putting your life and family on the line?



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You make it sounds like there was no threat by the killers and people willingly looked the other way


We need witness protection man, straight up


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Man ain't no cops going to protect you from nobody... :lol:
What I am advocating is the same thing Pac died for, that was for the hood street dudes, the gangsters and hustlers to have some accountability for their actions, the same way they have codes against snitches and rapist in jail, they should go just as hard after people who kill and endanger the lives of children..
Just imagine what the Mob would do to one of their member if they were to kill a innocent white kid in their hood, no need for snitching or running to the cops they would handle that situation themselves..
 
This response is an exemplification of you not reading the credible journalism I posted. It also exhibits your contradiction.

You do realize you just contradicted yourself? Right?

Right?

Dude, get outta here...

You are aware that when you get grazed you bleed correct? Seriously you are aware of that right?.... I NEVER said that my theory on Pac dying was the absolute way or reason it happened... I said plain as day, being that the killer has not come out and said how or why that's what it is. ... Sit down with the dumb shit.
 
Well...... let me see Suge didn't get hit at all, if they wanted Suge you don't think they could have fired on him too?...Damn sure sounds more believable than that government shit.... Government trained killers wouldn't have hit Suge too? Come on man..

I don't think the Government trained Orlando Anderson out of Compton FJP. I could see if they were walking and 2Pac was taken down strategically but man the shots were fired in the same direction of both of them in a car as we all know.

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Pac was a torn young man, who had more wisdom than knowledge and at that young age its almost like being a X-man mutant that wants nothing more than to live his life a normal young man..
His gift/curse was not a choice, he born with the red pill in his mouth, he saw the world for what it was, the pain the ugly the horror.. Like Malcolm this may be a very hard pill to swallow at such a young age, and just like him, Pac often tried to bury his head in the sand, so that he could stop seeing and feeling so much.

Pac was too young to understand that when you carry the weight of the world, there are times that you have to shift or even place it down for a while, yeah the world will be ok. Instead Pac never shifted, never took a break, what he did do was try to feel normal by doing the things "normal" kids was into, the women, clothes, the pussy and weed..
Often drugs and alcohol was the closest he came to living a blue pill existence, like everybody else.. But that shit was short lived and his true nature always came back to fruition.
Both Pac and Malcolm talked about suicide, at one point of their lives, the reason why, is just imagining feeling the collective pain of a people that has been suffering for hundreds of years, and not being able to shut it off, or properly express to the world what troubles your heart..
This frustration is the lack of being able to turn it off, was the root of both of their anger issues..
Malcolm was fortunately to get the guidance he needed in jail by the NOI, while Pac was forced to try to come to grips by himself, with no one but snakes around him.

Cointelpro used Pac's weakness against him, his explosive temper, and his natural nature of a protector, eventually it lead to his murder.. In the end in true warrior form, Pac died fighting for the honor of one of his people, after being told that he saw the person who robbed him in the past... Funny out of all the people that was a part of the incident, Pac was the only one that got shot at..:smh:
 
Interesting reads. Heard about Monster Kody a few times but never knew who he was.

Oo and out of all the positive shit Pac said in lyrics, interviews, etc the line My fofo make sure all your kids dont grow was just fucked up. I understand he was pissed and in the heat of the moment with the diss track but that line sealed the deal with contradictions
 
See. This above, if true, is really fucked up.


Of course it's true. It's indepently verified by a few different sources and one of em is the conversation the op posted with Pac blatantly saying "yeah man it was these guys"
No mention of Big, Puff, or them even being associated with it.

He said it so matter if fact and without a second thought.


He KNEW they had NOTHING to do with it, yet he got in VIBE magazine with the whole De Niro acting clinic.

With Suge behind him, he felt he could do and say anything. He put his own life at risk as well as others, all for some rap shit. And you niggas think he's a the patron saint of hiphop.
 
Pac was a torn young man, who had more wisdom than knowledge and at that young age its almost like being a X-man mutant that wants nothing more than to live his life a normal young man..

His gift/curse was not a choice, he born with the red pill in his mouth, he saw the world for what it was, the pain the ugly the horror.. Like Malcolm this may be a very hard pill to swallow at such a young age, and just like him, Pac often tried to bury his head in the sand, so that he could stop seeing and feeling so much.



Pac was too young to understand that when you carry the weight of the world, there are times that you have to shift or even place it down for a while, yeah the world will be ok. Instead Pac never shifted, never took a break, what he did do was try to feel normal by doing the things "normal" kids was into, the women, clothes, the pussy and weed..

Often drugs and alcohol was the closest he came to living a blue pill existence, like everybody else.. But that shit was short lived and his true nature always came back to fruition.

Both Pac and Malcolm talked about suicide, at one point of their lives, the reason why, is just imagining feeling the collective pain of a people that has been suffering for hundreds of years, and not being able to shut it off, or properly express to the world what troubles your heart..

This frustration is the lack of being able to turn it off, was the root of both of their anger issues..

Malcolm was fortunately to get the guidance he needed in jail by the NOI, while Pac was forced to try to come to grips by himself, with no one but snakes around him.



Cointelpro used Pac's weakness against him, his explosive temper, and his natural nature of a protector, eventually it lead to his murder.. In the end in true warrior form, Pac died fighting for the honor of one of his people, after being told that he saw the person who robbed him in the past... Funny out of all the people that was a part of the incident, Pac was the only one that got shot at..:smh:


Stop it with the Pac/Malcolm comparisons please.

Malcolm did work in social change and organizing people. Pac was a rapper. Didn't do any of those things. Ever. This kinda talk disheartens me because it shows how many people really can't tell the difference between fact and fiction.

Compare Pac to Fela. MAYBE. Bob Marley. Shit, Marvin Gaye.

Leave him out of the conversations including activists. People who's full time job was in the community.
 
Of course it's true. It's indepently verified by a few different sources and one of em is the conversation the op posted with Pac blatantly saying "yeah man it was these guys"
No mention of Big, Puff, or them even being associated with it.

He said it so matter if fact and without a second thought.


He KNEW they had NOTHING to do with it, yet he got in VIBE magazine with the whole De Niro acting clinic.

With Suge behind him, he felt he could do and say anything. He put his own life at risk as well as others, all for some rap shit. And you niggas think he's a the patron saint of hiphop.

I'm just trying to be neutral because I wasn't there for the shit but yeah, everything we know leads you to believe that's true. But a lot of people were saying that when this shit went down. Shit.. I've heard Pac say during interviews that he was just trying to sell records.
 
Stop it with the Pac/Malcolm comparisons please.

Malcolm did work in social change and organizing people. Pac was a rapper. Didn't do any of those things. Ever. This kinda talk disheartens me because it shows how many people really can't tell the difference between fact and fiction.

Compare Pac to Fela. MAYBE. Bob Marley. Shit, Marvin Gaye.

Leave him out of the conversations including activists. People who's full time job was in the community.

You and I are on the same page. I hate to hear the comparisons for Malcolm when they talk about when he was "Red".
 
You and I are on the same page. I hate to hear the comparisons for Malcolm when they talk about when he was "Red".


Then compare Pac to Red then. Cuz he never got to be Malcolm and it's his own fault.

This generation (and I mean from my own generation. I'm Pacs age)

Is so obsessed with history as a glamorous thing, and trying to emulate old shit in a new age.

People look at these historical figures as fashion, style, and IMAGE icons rather than WORKERS. We see Malcolm in suits and glasses, Martin in a 3 piece, Che with a cigar in his mouth. We never see them as WORKERS. People wanna be the IMAGE rather than the worker. PAC was like that.
 
Bruh did die over niggadom tho'. It was of his own doing. Gettin' himself involved in shit that didn't warrant his involvement, shit that wasn't of his character. Some would say he died a busta. On another not, hell, I had a potna in da feds that was bunk mates w/David Mack who was FTP. But yeah, Suge had da battery in that nigga back (had him charged up offa that IMG shit) & he (Pac) fell for da hype wantin' to emulate that lifestyle. Niggas can't, say shit about Pac w/o acknolwledging da fact that that nigga Biggie was flaughin' about certain aspects of his life as well.

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So he KNEW it wasn't Biggie or Puffy who shot him, not had anything to do with it, yet for some reason in magazines and on wax he spoke on it like it was the other way around. He started an east coast vs west coast war, got himself and Biggie killed. Biggie was an innocent in all of this. A plot to sell fucking records

Da media started that coast war shit. Bruh just fueled it and allowed it to persist knowing it ain't have shit to do w/Biggie 'nem. As a matter of fact, I can't really say he fueled it b/c he had plans of doin' albums w/Buckshot & them Boot Camp Click niggas during that time.

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Then compare Pac to Red then. Cuz he never got to be Malcolm and it's his own fault.

This generation (and I mean from my own generation. I'm Pacs age)

Is so obsessed with history as a glamorous thing, and trying to emulate old shit in a new age.

People look at these historical figures as fashion, style, and IMAGE icons rather than WORKERS. We see Malcolm in suits and glasses, Martin in a 3 piece, Che with a cigar in his mouth. We never see them as WORKERS. People wanna be the IMAGE rather than the worker. PAC was like that.

I agree...and to me it's not so much about Pac as it is about disrespecting Malcolm.
 
Da media started that coast war shit. Bruh just fueled it and allowed it to persist knowing it ain't have shit to do w/Biggie 'nem. As a matter of fact, I can't really say he fueled it b/c he had plans of doin' albums w/Buckshot & them Boot Camp Click niggas during that time.

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How could he not have fueled when he started, made albums about, did interviews about it. Him by himself. Snoop and dawg pound were on it but they were just soldiers. Even tho it all was facade he even got made at snoop because snoop didn't want to play the game anymore. Pac started all that shit by himself.
 
I need prodigy book asap

The dry snitch one? You're a little late

His wife recorded it on the answering machine??? Yea ok...


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Yeah man, I was thinking the same thing. She recording him because she probably thought he was cheating.

Stop it with the Pac/Malcolm comparisons please.

Malcolm did work in social change and organizing people. Pac was a rapper. Didn't do any of those things. Ever. This kinda talk disheartens me because it shows how many people really can't tell the difference between fact and fiction.

Compare Pac to Fela. MAYBE. Bob Marley. Shit, Marvin Gaye.

Leave him out of the conversations including activists. People who's full time job was in the community.

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Didn't know it was being recorded by the answering machine, that's a long ass tape. :lol: Pretty interesting historical document if you think about it. :eek: :dance:





AWESOME DROP!!! Thanks OP!!!:yes:


This convo further convinces me that the government had something to do with his death

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Hmm...


For those who have never read the book Monster

http://depositfiles.com/files/n32qque3m


'Preciate it Fam... :yes:


This makes him even MORE of a phony to me. As it's always been said by cats he grew up with, my people he was in jail with and other inmates. Dude was a peaceful dude who wanted unity.

But INSTEAD used his "platform" to divide brothers like nothing had
Before in music history. He wanted to use it for unity but when it came time
To do it he destroyed and divided.

Government ain't kill this dude. Plain as day
Suge did. His cash cow was leaving. All the other cows had left too. And he owned all of Pac music. No reason to let him leave alive. Worth more dead. Stop praising dude like he was for the people. His mind was for the people his actions were for himself.


[my first response]: :hmm:

[But trying to understand this poster's point of view... I think I see it]



He started being involved with gang shit because niggas tried to kill him!!! He had people in his camp set him up and people he put on was involved in it; Now whether you agree or not thats his reasoning; and he wasnt in any gang he was just around those cats; and he knew the rap game is full of gang shit and drug shit and everything else, still is to this day; everybody knows that; so its not a stretch that anyone involved in hiphop would be involved in "gang shit" also..maybe his talent was wasted but millions of people are still talking and listening to this dude almost 20 years after his death so maybe his talent wasnt wasted...


Hmm..


I remember watching a documentary on death row records. Nate Dog said he never came to the studio without being strapped because of the craziness of what was going on around the place. The fact that Dre said, "F it, you can keep my masters just let me go" should tell you how bad of an environment Suge created.


Hmm...


It's stuff like this that makes his assasination, and nt just murder seem plausible. The political/social-economic movement he envisioned threatened a lot of pockets.
Too bad he hung w/dudes who accumulated to an overwhelming debt.


Okay...


what fuckin rapper thinks with such Majestic leaderhip?

Tupac is talking to the God of Thugs on the west coast

about building up the community with a nice little starter plan...


He was murdered by the govt just like Malik El Shabazz was,


when they want to implement fear, they will kill a leader violently..


when they dont want to raise eyebrows, it used to be plane crashs...


but now its medical and high tech hits...


bet you didnt even know they could blow up your cell phone, as you are talking on it..

it aint conspiracy that shit is history at this point..

ask mossad.


We as a force need to carry out that plan!!

and we dont need coward ass rappers like pdiddy

and dr dre to do it...


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Fuck outta here, Pac made it known that he came from Black Panther lineage. We know how the govt felt about BP, I'm just going to leave it at that

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More excerpts from Prodigy's "My Infamous Life"

On 2pac's robbery:


E Money Bags went on to tell me how he was connected with Tupac. Bag's homeboy Majesty and Majesty's brother Big Stretch were blood cousins with Young Noble from Tupac's group the Outlawz, so they all hung out on a regular basis in the early nineties. Tupac wa so tight with Big Stretch that he'd given him appearances in two of his movies. Above the Rim and Bullet.

While he was in New York Shooting above the rim, Tupac had also befriended some dudes from Brooklyn, Jamaican Jackson (Haitian Jack) and Johnny Lynchman (Jimmy Henchmen) as well as a few other Brooklynites like Biggie Smalls, Little Shawn, and the whole Bad Boy clique. Bags explained that shortly after the filming of Above the Rim was complete, Tupac, Jamaican Jackson and some others went to hang out at a nightclub where they found groupies to bring back to Pac's hotel. One of the females called the cops, claiming that Tupac and his friendsr###d her, and the judge sentenced him to a year and a half in prison. During the trial, the press questioned Pac outside the courthouse about his codefendants, Jackson and others. "I don't know them dudes, they're not my friends," Tupac said. Jackson and his friends didn't like that much.

While Pac was out on bail, he set up a recording session at Quad recording studios in Manhattan with rapper Little Shawn. Stretch went with Pac to Quad that night and noticed a man leaning against a street pole reading a newspaper right in front of the the studio door as they arrived. Stretch told Bags that when he and Pac walked inside, the man followed them into the lobby, gun drawn, along with two other gunmen. They went straight for Pac's jewelry. Pac had two glocks tucked into his pants and tried pulling them out but shot himself in the groin. The gunmen opened fire on Pac grazing him on the head and a few other spots before running off.

Stretch told Bags that he and Pac went up to the studio, when Biggie, Puff, and Little Shawn saw Pac bleeding they were all in shock. Bags then told me that they found out who shot Pac in the lobby that night. Bags and Stretch visited Pac on Rikers Island a lot and they told Pac who ordered the hit and who took it, so Pac knew exactly what was going on. He knew that Biggie and Puff had nothing to do with it. But when E Money Bags and Stretch explained what happened, Pac told them that he planned to use the situation to sell a lot of records. Bags explained who was behind it, but Pac said he just wanted to start controversy and that he planned to use Biggie and Puff and turn his gunshot wounds into a marketing and promotion scheme. Wow

http://slumz.boxden.com/f87/more-ex...ay-lohan-keith-murray-2pac-nas-jay-z-1535868/


Can anyone say (with authority) that Haitian Jack wasn't "co-opted" to set up the 2Pac rape situation by government operatives??? [just speculating]


Everybody isn't the same though, that's all I'm saying.

...Pac was extremely conflicted and Death Row was basically the absolute worst place for him to sign. If he could've saw it for what it was before he ever put pen to paper things MIGHT have been a little different. Even with the death row bs he still made more conscious records than people do to this day.

There's a blend, pac isn't a saint.. when you hear the ideas you can see the potential that's it. I'm not gonna sit here and say he was a phony, he wasn't a phony. He really did get shot, he really did go to jail..he really did hang around killers and scandalous individuals (death row records) it's entirely possible to be more than 1 thing at a time, thus the conflict.


I agree... But who else was offering him freedom from jail???

Maybe the only ones offering him freedom, were the same offshoot of those who conspired to put him in jail in the first place... [Just speculating]


Nope. You can't throw those messages out. Some of those songs were a lense into our communities. The problem is the contradiction. Maya Angelou talked about this. I bring her up only because Monster and Tupac mentioned her in the convo. If you have poison in a bottle that says poison, and then you move that poison into a nice crystal bottle. It might be pretty, but it's still poison. Ultimately, Pac needed something to get the poison out of his system because even when he released positive music on an album, he put out a lot of poison with it and his poison was toxic because people followed him. Pac (and deathrow) poured a lot of gas on geographic-based violence. It was crazy. But... I think Suge was the mastermind that promoted it and influenced Pac... that shit made Death Row and ultimately Suge a lot of money. I hate to say it like this, but I know because I grew up with cats like Pac and have family like that now.. this type of men are easily influenced. Play to the ego, lack of love+family, you can get them to do some crazy shit in order for them to "validate" themselves.

Some people stay that on path their entire lives. Ultimately, I think Pac would have matured IF he was in the right environment.

I think the main issue people on both side of this argument have is separating what he did vs what he could have done.

Neither side is wrong.

but Suge is like Puffy with a much more sinister soul. I know I guy just like suge (well knew him..haven't fucked around with him in over a decade)... he would sell your soul for a dollar if he knew he could only get 99 more cents out of you.. :smh:

Remember that Freddro Star interview about seeing Pac and Suge at his movie premieur..and him saying he felt the presence of the Devil around when Suge told him he was going to get him on Death Row..and Pac gave him that look like "don't come on Death Row... you don't want to be here man"... i don't think Freddro was bullshittin..


You mean this???





Da media started that coast war shit. Bruh just fueled it and allowed it to persist knowing it ain't have shit to do w/Biggie 'nem. As a matter of fact, I can't really say he fueled it b/c he had plans of doin' albums w/Buckshot & them Boot Camp Click niggas during that time.

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Interesting...



Good input from all who have participated...

I'm very interested in this subject. But to keep it going, I'll just leave a little Easter Egg here:


Book Claims FBI Used Death Row Records To Stop Black Activism

A controversial book is continuing to making headlines for it's message, one that claims that the FBI used one of the most notorious Hip-Hop labels in history as a means of suppression for Black activism.

Titled “The FBI War On Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders: U.S. Intelligence’s Murderous Targeting of Tupac, MLK, Malcolm, Panthers, Hendrix, Marley, Rappers & Linked Ethnic Leftists”, the book was originally published in 2008 but is being highlighted again along with its accompanying DVD.


According to Author John Potash, Death Row Records was a sham—a front company that was filled with police officers working to stifle the creative genius Tupac Shakur from distributing his message of activism.

He tells the Baltimore City Paper,

“I believe that Death Row Records, which included dozens and dozens of police officers at all levels, according to a high-level police officer that investigated them, was a front company and was trying to continue penal coercion and mess up [Tupac Shakur's] head. Death Row, of course, published the most negative songs he ever produced.”



Potash, a Columbia University grad and former addictions counselor, admits that he doesn’t have a real background in Hip-Hop but was compelled to spend ten years researching the death of Tupac after seeing a coincidence in the infamous Quad Recording Studios shooting and a time when Pac was previously arrested.

The link made him think that the rap legend was being targeted, much like his parents who were well known Black Panthers.

He tells the Baltimore City Paper,

“I knew some rap–like Public Enemy But I didn’t really know Tupac Shakur at that time…one of the many strange twists in the case, the officer who raced to the scene after Shakur’s friends called 911 was the same officer who arrested him a year ago…..So I called [Shakur's] New York trial lawyer and said, ‘Do you think they’re targeting him in the same way they targeted his activist parents? So that’s how I got into it all.”



He also tells the Batlitmore City Paper that U.S. Intelligence is known for controlling people through their thinking which posed a problem for Tupac who directly threatened their suppression tactic.

What I think it was was that he had become the most influential black man in the black community in the country. CIA and U.S. intelligence, what they have to do is win the hearts and minds of the people. They don’t want to control us by force, they want us to control ourselves by having us believe in a certain way–that we don’t need national health care, for example. And here, Tupac was threatening to win over the hearts and minds of people, he was able to counter so much of the propaganda in the black community.”


The DVD was screened Wednesday at Baltimore’s Cyclops Books And Music and the book is available on Amazon.com

http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/18/book-claims-fbi-used-death-row-to-stop-black-activism/
 
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But no, it's just some nigga shit, and NO GOVERNMENT INVOLVED (If you let some BGOL members tell the story...)



Wow

They basically shot him and escorted him to the hospital to ensure he wouldn't make it



wow


Brother had no chance.........



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Again this tape made him even more of a fraud. And this tape corroborates other stories that made sense... Hence Prodigy who is from Queens with the verse on dropping Jewels, A-team were Queens dudes. And it also basically confirms what Lil Cease said happened at the Source Awards he said when they confronted Pac, he said "I'm just trying to sell records"......

So by KNOWING who shot you, KNOWING you want peace and unity.... you instead go out and deliberately start a war and disrespect another black man, causing division.... man you niggas is sheep.
1st of all if u listen to everybody's account of what took place at the awards besides biggie n em, they said big/pac never spoke wasn't even close enough to speak

2nd of all Pac said Puffy/Big was responsible because they shoulda warned him cause if they was on the west no way sumthing like that would have happened on his watch he said he felt set up by them not that they had him shot
 
pac didn't blame biggie. and he played that nigga off talking about movies and albums. snoop ended starting the football league
 
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