Who are the A-Team????
Monster Kody 2Pac Conversation Audio 1995 (Holy Shit)
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Who are the A-Team????
So he KNEW it wasn't Biggie or Puffy who shot him, not had anything to do with it, yet for some reason in magazines and on wax he spoke on it like it was the other way around. He started an east coast vs west coast war, got himself and Biggie killed. Biggie was an innocent in all of this. A plot to sell fucking records
You call this violent and divisive...
Makaveli "White Man'z World"
Some of you are either racists/white supremacists or confused victims of racism/white supremacy.
Bruh would you like to go through the REST of the CD........Let me ask you this if 10 out of 11 things are violent whats the most likely effect of that ?
Dude, this is
Why would Suge put his own life in danger with the gun shots bro?
Well...... let me see Suge didn't get hit at all, if they wanted Suge you don't think they could have fired on him too?...Damn sure sounds more believable than that government shit.... Government trained killers wouldn't have hit Suge too? Come on man..
Again this tape made him even more of a fraud. And this tape corroborates other stories that made sense... Hence Prodigy who is from Queens with the verse on dropping Jewels, A-team were Queens dudes. And it also basically confirms what Lil Cease said happened at the Source Awards he said when they confronted Pac, he said "I'm just trying to sell records"......
So by KNOWING who shot you, KNOWING you want peace and unity.... you instead go out and deliberately start a war and disrespect another black man, causing division.... man you niggas is sheep.
So by KNOWING who shot you, KNOWING you want peace and unity.... you instead go out and deliberately start a war and disrespect another black man, causing division.... man you niggas is sheep.
People aren't talking about this. Pac was a smart dude and extremely fucked up too. He "could" have lead a positive movement one day. But the reality is that he lead a negative one (even after he knew better). I think the biggest problem is that he was surrounded by death. When Suge Knight got him out of jail, he pretty much did a deal with the devil.
He had a lot of potential man. I think that's the bigger story...in that his idles had to be guys like Monster Kody. And that's not to say anything is inherently wrong with Monster Kody... but Pac probably needed a strong father and a stable environment that could have kept him out of the game in the first place.
So now we don't judge people on what they actually did, but what they could have done
And what has resulted from it?
I said in another thread that all these dudes claim Tupac was their favorite rapper and....
Why, because he contradicted himself so much and wasn't consistent. His negatives out shined the positivity.
I have yet to see a black men that had very similar upbringing to his who wasn't contradictory (I was one of those). I attended the million man march and did some shit with the naacp at an early age, but yet, felt the need to hang out on the street corners/do more contradictory shit with my niggas back then. Go figure.
So folks were warned by the killers.
In that situation, doesn't the state have a right to offer witness protection if they really want the killers?
Without that protection, are you not putting your life and family on the line?
You make it sounds like there was no threat by the killers and people willingly looked the other way
We need witness protection man, straight up
i said it years go. I respect Pac for his knowledge,etc as such an early age. I love his music and some of his music is some of the most powerful every created. You can make the connection between him and a young Malcolm X before he made the leap to positivity.
However, in a practical/realistic matter Pac was extremely destructive. Maybe he could have eventually gone in the right direction and maybe he did have a bigger view... but he certainly cooked up negativity and violence in public.
Thank you, and that's the point. I can respect this. But all this "Other level" bullshit man they can go ahead with it.
This should be an easy one for people to get.
I'm not "snitching" or getting involved in anything where I'm going to end up being the victim (or my family well). For the most part, I'm minding my own business.
It's just the reality of things.
I've actually witnessed a murder. It wasn't in my neighborhood but it was a gas station while I was pumping gas. walked up on the car next to me (about 10 yards away) and shot the driver through the glass. He had a pistol.. gave me a hard look...and he could probably see on my face that I was not the type who was going to get involved. I neither flinched nor even stopped pumping my gas...and he just walked off.
You think I went to the police? Nope. I saw the shit on the news later that day. Sounded like a drug-related hit.
I wasn't getting involved in that shit man.
People on here are extra protective about Pac. I understand where they are coming from though. I've gotten to arguments with Kayanation of this subject for years. I do get where they are coming from though.... but you still have to put it into perspective. I love that he did have the vision, that he did talk about upliftment, that he did even address social problems in his music (unlike a lot of rappers), etc.
At the same time, I can't ignore the other shit and we aren't talking about minor stuff. A lot of black men died because of Pac.
I can understand though because I have family just like Pac. It's hard for a lot of these brothas man. They're so damaged as kids that it's so hard to keep them out of trouble and away from bullshit. They're good people (deep down) but also some of them can be really sensitive and just get wrapped up in bullshit. It's not ALL on them.. environment plays a MAJOR role. I'm not excusing their actions either.. but environment is killing these guys man.
Especially when there is a rotating door for these criminals
Dude sounds like when you get arrested for killing a black person you get no bail
Especially when there is a rotating door for these criminals
Dude sounds like when you get arrested for killing a black person you get no bail
It's way more convoluted that people want to believe.... like it's some stupid "don't snitch" culture that has black people acting without morals.
I don't think people on here would consider me ignorant. If someone murders someone in my grandmother's neighborhood (that has no direct relation to me) and I really don't know what went down. I'm not getting involved. I don't want to bring harm on my family and like you said, it's not like the police is going to protect man. I've always had negative experiences with the police anyway. The police are there to hurt me rather than help me. I think the same shit now. I've been fucked with too much by the police when not doing anything wrong (just been profiled) so I'm not looking to work with the police IF I DON'T NEED TO. There are some good cops...shit one of my closest cousins is a cop now and he's a really good dude...but as a whole man.. they're out after us...not to protect us.
More excerpts from Prodigy's "My Infamous Life"
On 2pac's robbery:
E Money Bags went on to tell me how he was connected with Tupac. Bag's homeboy Majesty and Majesty's brother Big Stretch were blood cousins with Young Noble from Tupac's group the Outlawz, so they all hung out on a regular basis in the early nineties. Tupac wa so tight with Big Stretch that he'd given him appearances in two of his movies. Above the Rim and Bullet.
While he was in New York Shooting above the rim, Tupac had also befriended some dudes from Brooklyn, Jamaican Jackson (Haitian Jack) and Johnny Lynchman (Jimmy Henchmen) as well as a few other Brooklynites like Biggie Smalls, Little Shawn, and the whole Bad Boy clique. Bags explained that shortly after the filming of Above the Rim was complete, Tupac, Jamaican Jackson and some others went to hang out at a nightclub where they found groupies to bring back to Pac's hotel. One of the females called the cops, claiming that Tupac and his friendsr###d her, and the judge sentenced him to a year and a half in prison. During the trial, the press questioned Pac outside the courthouse about his codefendants, Jackson and others. "I don't know them dudes, they're not my friends," Tupac said. Jackson and his friends didn't like that much.
While Pac was out on bail, he set up a recording session at Quad recording studios in Manhattan with rapper Little Shawn. Stretch went with Pac to Quad that night and noticed a man leaning against a street pole reading a newspaper right in front of the the studio door as they arrived. Stretch told Bags that when he and Pac walked inside, the man followed them into the lobby, gun drawn, along with two other gunmen. They went straight for Pac's jewelry. Pac had two glocks tucked into his pants and tried pulling them out but shot himself in the groin. The gunmen opened fire on Pac grazing him on the head and a few other spots before running off.
Stretch told Bags that he and Pac went up to the studio, when Biggie, Puff, and Little Shawn saw Pac bleeding they were all in shock. Bags then told me that they found out who shot Pac in the lobby that night. Bags and Stretch visited Pac on Rikers Island a lot and they told Pac who ordered the hit and who took it, so Pac knew exactly what was going on. He knew that Biggie and Puff had nothing to do with it. But when E Money Bags and Stretch explained what happened, Pac told them that he planned to use the situation to sell a lot of records. Bags explained who was behind it, but Pac said he just wanted to start controversy and that he planned to use Biggie and Puff and turn his gunshot wounds into a marketing and promotion scheme. Wow
http://slumz.boxden.com/f87/more-ex...ay-lohan-keith-murray-2pac-nas-jay-z-1535868/
On 2pac's robbery:
E Money Bags went on to tell me how he was connected with Tupac. Bag's homeboy Majesty and Majesty's brother Big Stretch were blood cousins with Young Noble from Tupac's group the Outlawz, so they all hung out on a regular basis in the early nineties. Tupac wa so tight with Big Stretch that he'd given him appearances in two of his movies. Above the Rim and Bullet.
While he was in New York Shooting above the rim, Tupac had also befriended some dudes from Brooklyn, Jamaican Jackson (Haitian Jack) and Johnny Lynchman (Jimmy Henchmen) as well as a few other Brooklynites like Biggie Smalls, Little Shawn, and the whole Bad Boy clique. Bags explained that shortly after the filming of Above the Rim was complete, Tupac, Jamaican Jackson and some others went to hang out at a nightclub where they found groupies to bring back to Pac's hotel. One of the females called the cops, claiming that Tupac and his friendsr###d her, and the judge sentenced him to a year and a half in prison. During the trial, the press questioned Pac outside the courthouse about his codefendants, Jackson and others. "I don't know them dudes, they're not my friends," Tupac said. Jackson and his friends didn't like that much.
While Pac was out on bail, he set up a recording session at Quad recording studios in Manhattan with rapper Little Shawn. Stretch went with Pac to Quad that night and noticed a man leaning against a street pole reading a newspaper right in front of the the studio door as they arrived. Stretch told Bags that when he and Pac walked inside, the man followed them into the lobby, gun drawn, along with two other gunmen. They went straight for Pac's jewelry. Pac had two glocks tucked into his pants and tried pulling them out but shot himself in the groin. The gunmen opened fire on Pac grazing him on the head and a few other spots before running off.
Stretch told Bags that he and Pac went up to the studio, when Biggie, Puff, and Little Shawn saw Pac bleeding they were all in shock. Bags then told me that they found out who shot Pac in the lobby that night. Bags and Stretch visited Pac on Rikers Island a lot and they told Pac who ordered the hit and who took it, so Pac knew exactly what was going on. He knew that Biggie and Puff had nothing to do with it. But when E Money Bags and Stretch explained what happened, Pac told them that he planned to use the situation to sell a lot of records. Bags explained who was behind it, but Pac said he just wanted to start controversy and that he planned to use Biggie and Puff and turn his gunshot wounds into a marketing and promotion scheme. Wow
http://slumz.boxden.com/f87/more-ex...ay-lohan-keith-murray-2pac-nas-jay-z-1535868/
For real yeah it's some ignorant cats who're on that ,but most aren't.. they just want to live....
especially someone is like that one white boy from Black hawk down who was mad they had to leave.. the warzone.. who the fuck wants shootings around ?
and like pointed out these cats get bails.. that get them on the streets fast.. as shit.. and word travels...
So unless you really witnessed it without the killer seeing you... or it wasn't in front of a bunch of other cats... etc.. you take a risk... and then if you do let them know and it's found out even if that fool is in jail.... killers tend to not really role with the progressive set...on average.. so he has people....who're free...
For real yeah it's some ignorant cats who're on that ,but most aren't.. they just want to live....
especially someone is like that one white boy from Black hawk down who was mad they had to leave.. the warzone.. who the fuck wants shootings around ?
and like pointed out these cats get bails.. that get them on the streets fast.. as shit.. and word travels...
So unless you really witnessed it without the killer seeing you... or it wasn't in front of a bunch of other cats... etc.. you take a risk... and then if you do let them know and it's found out even if that fool is in jail.... killers tend to not really role with the progressive set...on average.. so he has people....who're free...
Yep.
Some cops will actually put your name out there too if you tell
Very conflicted human being.
He is a product of the harsh environment he grew up in, AND being raised by a BP.
Difficult to say which path he would've taken.
Hell, I don't mind putting myself under the microscope. I was very hardcore in my mid-teens up until my mid-20s acquiring knowledge of self and trying to work with different people on ways to build up our community.
When I saw Spike Lee's movie about Malcolm X, it was a wrap for me. The older heads use to always tell me how great of a leader I'd be, because I'd never allow conversations to steer too far away from what we're going to DO, as opposed to what black people once did.
I have tremendous respect for those who came before us, but too many get caught in a holding pattern of looking to the past, and never striving to do anything to help build the future. You can do both, but you should definitely never sacrifice going forward for the sake of looking back.
I've even written a book for black people. Completed.
Now?
Well over a decade later, I have a deeply rooted resentment towards black women, and even black people that I consider to be unproductive.
My extremism, which fueled my idealism and rage to 'get something done' has slowly devolved into overwhelming bitterness and isolation.
Point is, I can see my own path, knowing all the things that I know, and how I've ended up. By my own admission, it's not a good look ...but...
...life is unpredictable.
I will say, tho'...
...good can come from this recording by Pac. Just because PAC wasn't the one to initiate the movement, doesn't mean his idea can't be carried forth by someone sufficiently inspired to do so.
I've become a self-centered capitalist whose too afraid to open himself up again, but someone better than me, Pac, or whomever will ultimately make the proper choices and make some shit happen.
Listening to that recording kind of fucked me up, and I was never a Pac fan.
He is a product of the harsh environment he grew up in, AND being raised by a BP.
Difficult to say which path he would've taken.
Hell, I don't mind putting myself under the microscope. I was very hardcore in my mid-teens up until my mid-20s acquiring knowledge of self and trying to work with different people on ways to build up our community.
When I saw Spike Lee's movie about Malcolm X, it was a wrap for me. The older heads use to always tell me how great of a leader I'd be, because I'd never allow conversations to steer too far away from what we're going to DO, as opposed to what black people once did.
I have tremendous respect for those who came before us, but too many get caught in a holding pattern of looking to the past, and never striving to do anything to help build the future. You can do both, but you should definitely never sacrifice going forward for the sake of looking back.
I've even written a book for black people. Completed.
Now?
Well over a decade later, I have a deeply rooted resentment towards black women, and even black people that I consider to be unproductive.
My extremism, which fueled my idealism and rage to 'get something done' has slowly devolved into overwhelming bitterness and isolation.
Point is, I can see my own path, knowing all the things that I know, and how I've ended up. By my own admission, it's not a good look ...but...
...life is unpredictable.
I will say, tho'...
...good can come from this recording by Pac. Just because PAC wasn't the one to initiate the movement, doesn't mean his idea can't be carried forth by someone sufficiently inspired to do so.
I've become a self-centered capitalist whose too afraid to open himself up again, but someone better than me, Pac, or whomever will ultimately make the proper choices and make some shit happen.
Listening to that recording kind of fucked me up, and I was never a Pac fan.
I love Pac and Love his music but I hate when people make him out to be a Martyr, and use his age as an excuse. Hell Fred Hampton was 20 when he assassinated.
Everybody isn't the same though, that's all I'm saying.
Everybody doesn't have it figured out by a certain age.. the ones that do are unique, not the rule so that's like pointing out that lebron was the best player in the nba by age 25.. yea there's only 1 lebron though.
Pac was extremely conflicted and Death Row was basically the absolute worst place for him to sign. If he could've saw it for what it was before he ever put pen to paper things MIGHT have been a little different. Even with the death row bs he still made more conscious records than people do to this day.
There's a blend, pac isn't a saint.. when you hear the ideas you can see the potential that's it. I'm not gonna sit here and say he was a phony, he wasn't a phony. He really did get shot, he really did go to jail..he really did hang around killers and scandalous individuals (death row records) it's entirely possible to be more than 1 thing at a time, thus the conflict.
And it wasn't really something he sought out if I understand how it all went down exactly right? Because Suge put up the money to get him out of jail right? Maybe I don't remember it correctly.
So the supposedly was falsely charged of rape and then went to jail for those charges...and then that lead him to Suge.
I knew some Suge-like cats growing up. Those type of cats bury a lot of people man. Pac, in my understanding, was also extremely easily influenced and emotional and didn't grow up with a strong masculine presence as a youngstar.. it's often a reason that young people run to gangs... because it offers them the family they never had...
so there is a lot of shit that lead him to Suge and then possibly his death.
I think Pac is an example of what can happen with kids don't have proper role models and a good environment.
It's very obvious Pac had the IT factor..you can't teach what he just had..
but he's the example of "what can go wrong"... he's just a more public example of what happens daily all over America. People that probably have really good souls that just get pulled in.
Saying all that I still think that he's the wrong person to "glorify".
Yea i think that's how he got linked up with Suge. Suge was a predator he knew what he was doing.
I don't think we should "glorify" him but the messages in those songs can't be thrown out with the bath water so to speak.
Nope. You can't throw those messages out. Some of those songs were a lense into our communities. The problem is the contradiction. Maya Angelou talked about this. I bring her up only because Monster and Tupac mentioned her in the convo. If you have poison in a bottle that says poison, and then you move that poison into a nice crystal bottle. It might be pretty, but it's still poison. Ultimately, Pac needed something to get the poison out of his system because even when he released positive music on an album, he put out a lot of poison with it and his poison was toxic because people followed him. Pac (and deathrow) poured a lot of gas on geographic-based violence. It was crazy. But... I think Suge was the mastermind that promoted it and influenced Pac... that shit made Death Row and ultimately Suge a lot of money. I hate to say it like this, but I know because I grew up with cats like Pac and have family like that now.. this type of men are easily influenced. Play to the ego, lack of love+family, you can get them to do some crazy shit in order for them to "validate" themselves.
Some people stay that on path their entire lives. Ultimately, I think Pac would have matured IF he was in the right environment.
I think the main issue people on both side of this argument have is separating what he did vs what he could have done.
Neither side is wrong.
but Suge is like Puffy with a much more sinister soul. I know I guy just like suge (well knew him..haven't fucked around with him in over a decade)... he would sell your soul for a dollar if he knew he could only get 99 more cents out of you..
Remember that Freddro Star interview about seeing Pac and Suge at his movie premieur..and him saying he felt the presence of the Devil around when Suge told him he was going to get him on Death Row..and Pac gave him that look like "don't come on Death Row... you don't want to be here man"... i don't think Freddro was bullshittin..
Nope. You can't throw those messages out. Some of those songs were a lense into our communities. The problem is the contradiction. Maya Angelou talked about this. I bring her up only because Monster and Tupac mentioned her in the convo. If you have poison in a bottle that says poison, and then you move that poison into a nice crystal bottle. It might be pretty, but it's still poison. Ultimately, Pac needed something to get the poison out of his system because even when he released positive music on an album, he put out a lot of poison with it and his poison was toxic because people followed him. Pac (and deathrow) poured a lot of gas on geographic-based violence. It was crazy. But... I think Suge was the mastermind that promoted it and influenced Pac... that shit made Death Row and ultimately Suge a lot of money. I hate to say it like this, but I know because I grew up with cats like Pac and have family like that now.. this type of men are easily influenced. Play to the ego, lack of love+family, you can get them to do some crazy shit in order for them to "validate" themselves.
Some people stay that on path their entire lives. Ultimately, I think Pac would have matured IF he was in the right environment.
I think the main issue people on both side of this argument have is separating what he did vs what he could have done.
Neither side is wrong.
but Suge is like Puffy with a much more sinister soul. I know I guy just like suge (well knew him..haven't fucked around with him in over a decade)... he would sell your soul for a dollar if he knew he could only get 99 more cents out of you..
Suge was the entire mastermind behind all of this. I think Pac felt like he owed Suge because of the jail situation and Suge called him on that and milked it as much as he could until Pac was just like OK no more of this shit..and then Vegas happened.
To me it seems entirely plausible that he had enough of death row and was looking elsewhere. He had his dr dre moment where you can keep everything I did here, I want to move on and do something else and Suge wasn't having it.
The entire culture was toxic, so influenced he made a lot of toxic records. I don't look at him as a saint but I don't look at him as a phony as so many people try to say he is.
Cause if we're going to point to what he actually did as a talking point in his music for the argument of who he is, then how can we ignore what he actually went through in that same argument of whether or not he was real?
We can say that he was fake because though he talked about being positive and knew being positive he still put out gangsta music..
and then at the same time point to him going to art school and panther influences to call him a fake gangsta
but can't talk about the positive songs he made having cultural impacts and can't say well he really was setup and shot 5 times he really did go to jail on a charge and he really did hang with nothing but people we would consider 'bad' once he got out of jail...
Pac was ahead of his time and had a revolutionary mindset. Considering how young he was and how much he got done in short life is amazing. Knowing what the FBI and government agencies have done to other people similar to him that we have evidence for... I wouldn't be surprised if he was a target (also, you got to remember he shot 2 cops, they could have had a vendetta as well). Not saying he didn't get killed on some nigga shit, but I just wouldn't rule out a setup.
I hate that we have to label him a saint or a sinner though. People are complex, including Pac. Many of our heroes have their dark sides... hell, for the Christians, most of the people in the Bible weren't perfect outside of Jesus... Moses was a murderer, yet everyone following commandments that were presented by him. No reason to suggest that just because a person wasn't perfect that there was no positivity behind them or that they didn't mean a lot to the culture.
I hate that we have to label him a saint or a sinner though. People are complex, including Pac. Many of our heroes have their dark sides... hell, for the Christians, most of the people in the Bible weren't perfect outside of Jesus... Moses was a murderer, yet everyone following commandments that were presented by him. No reason to suggest that just because a person wasn't perfect that there was no positivity behind them or that they didn't mean a lot to the culture.
I also think the 7 day theory album wasn't about faking his death, but leaving death row and being reborn into what he could have been possibly..obviously we'll never know but that's how i took that album.
Yeah. Fake is probably way too strong of a word. He was just a highly-conflicted spirit.
Bet you if he had an experience like this, Suge couldn't have been so influential
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Dude please stop talking. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm saying...is it a joke??? Are you just joking around???
That's why I'm not really wasting my time debating with you. You come across as an ignoramus so it would be futile.
But some of this shit your saying is so outrageously inaccurate. You don't even have to be a Tupac fan to know this shit.
Source: CNN
Agree with this above too. He might have gotten killed solely on some nigga shit but surely he was on a target list.
No doubt. I had that, and you know how I am.
Suge got grazed man. Miss me with the bullshit about you not wanting to debate. You don't want to because you can't. What I said about him getting killed is theory, my damn opinion. It's plausible and a lot more than many others...
The rest was fact. You have nothing to refute the fact that dude wasn't some revolutionary that you niggas make him out to be. He was a dude with a positive outlook but ultimately chose negativity, that cost him and other people their lives that's truth....Stop making niggas your heroes and maybe you can see the logic.
See. This above, if true, is really fucked up.
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