Michael Moore - Capitalism Is Evil?

[Cruise]

Corporate Communism? Catchy.

The best way to make capitialism work for everybody is turn off the tv and put down the newspapers. They are propaganda machines. They are part of the system. They frame issues in a way no real solutions can be reached.

Use the net to discuss ideas and form plans. It is still a wordwide communication network. It can literally moblilize the world. If issues are framed in a certain way, with a end in mind, the only thing left to do is form a plan and take action.

I have an idea for creating an alternative trading system that is not based on the dollar.

Let's call it the community.

Community currency will be shares.
Community credit will be reputation.

The shares (currency) will be backed by reserve assets, which are pledges.

Credit is created by production, the labor of community participants.

This is a system that could be started on BGOL and demonstrates how a functioning economy doesn't need the dollar at all.

Plus, it shows how people using the web can develop their own economy without huge investments of capital and material.

For posterity, the "community economy" all started here.

 

[nittie]

Corporate Communism? Catchy.



I have an idea for creating an alternative trading system that is not based on the dollar.

Let's call it the community.

Community currency will be shares.
Community credit will be reputation.

The shares (currency) will be backed by reserve assets, which are pledges.

Credit is created by production, the labor of community participants.

This is a system that could be started on BGOL and demonstrates how a functioning economy doesn't need the dollar at all.

Plus, it shows how people using the web can develop their own economy without huge investments of capital and material.

For posterity, the "community economy" all started here.

Sounds like a plan to me. I was toying around with the idea of a network of websites that traded among themselves. Even have a supplier in China who could get anything we want or needed. Also met some people in Africa and Eastern Europe who might be interested.

 

[Lamarr]

Corporate Communism? Catchy.


I have an idea for creating an alternative trading system that is not based on the dollar.

Aint that what Saddam said? While I agree, the powers that be aren't relinquishing that power easily.

IMO, the only hope at the scenario you describe, let this phony house of cards crumble. And let the crooks be exposed. Return to a more localized economy based on production

 

[Cruise]

Aint that what Saddam said? While I agree, the powers that be aren't relinquishing that power easily.

IMO, the only hope at the scenario you describe, let this phony house of cards crumble. And let the crooks be exposed. Return to a more localized economy based on production

Saddam's problem was he wanted to threaten the petro-dollar.

Besides, the crooks have been exposed and people don't care. They still want their (debt) dollars. They still want that paper. They still want their banks and retirement accounts.

As long as they can watch their American Idol, drive their SUV, play video games, and live in their suburbs, all is right with the world.

But, that is fine for whites. We need our own system.

Sounds like a plan to me. I was toying around with the idea of a network of websites that traded among themselves. Even have a supplier in China who could get anything we want or needed. Also met some people in Africa and Eastern Europe who might be interested.

This system is surprisingly simple and doesn't require more than a few people who are willing to do business with each other.

To give you an idea how it would work...

suppose you want to trade in this sytem.

You have a camcorder, an XBox, a case of Cognac, and 50 ounces of silver.

Now, since the system uses a share as currency, you need shares to conduct trade.

You PLEDGE your items to the community. You reach an agreement on the number of shares you receive and are credited with shares to your account.

Let's say you get 5000 shares. Now, you still keep physical possession of your items. However, 5000 shares are added to your share account in the community.

Suppose Joe comes along and has no shares and no account. However, he is willing to accept them as payment. Joe has a website and is willing to send traffic. You and Joe decide the traffic is worth 400 shares a month.

Joe creates a share account in the community. You now send Joe 400 shares for 1 month of traffic. Your account is deducted and Joe is added.

No physical items have changed hands. But, a trade has occurred without dollars.

Now, Joe could try and REDEEM the shares for pledged items or he can have them sit in his account and use them on other services.

This is the nature of a currency. It is all about trade and it doesn't take much to get one started, other than a little willingness, a little trust, a mutually beneficial transaction.

 

[Costanza]

If Michael Moore is referring to the Love of Money being evil, then he is 100 percent correct.

-VG

I believe he's referring to capitalism and wouldn't you agree that capitalism is based on the love of money?

Ipso facto, capitalism is evil (at least as far as I understand Moore's argument, which jives with my beliefs).

 

[nittie]

This system is surprisingly simple and doesn't require more than a few people who are willing to do business with each other.

To give you an idea how it would work...

suppose you want to trade in this sytem.

You have a camcorder, an XBox, a case of Cognac, and 50 ounces of silver.

Now, since the system uses a share as currency, you need shares to conduct trade.

You PLEDGE your items to the community. You reach an agreement on the number of shares you receive and are credited with shares to your account.

Let's say you get 5000 shares. Now, you still keep physical possession of your items. However, 5000 shares are added to your share account in the community.

Suppose Joe comes along and has no shares and no account. However, he is willing to accept them as payment. Joe has a website and is willing to send traffic. You and Joe decide the traffic is worth 400 shares a month.

Joe creates a share account in the community. You now send Joe 400 shares for 1 month of traffic. Your account is deducted and Joe is added.

No physical items have changed hands. But, a trade has occurred without dollars.

Now, Joe could try and REDEEM the shares for pledged items or he can have them sit in his account and use them on other services.

This is the nature of a currency. It is all about trade and it doesn't take much to get one started, other than a little willingness, a little trust, a mutually beneficial transaction.

This idea could work I don't think this is the place to talk about it though. Details should be worked out in private and kept top secret. I say that because a few years ago I tossed a idea on the business board and it turned into a 'lets get rich investing in penny stocks crusade', this was just before the world went into a global recession. It was terrifying to watch. Hundred's maybe thousand's signed on, I think the thread is still going. But it did show me how quickly new ideas can spread on the net, the right plan really could change things.

 

[Cruise]

This idea could work I don't think this is the place to talk about it though. Details should be worked out in private and kept top secret. I say that because a few years ago I tossed a idea on the business board and it turned into a 'lets get rich investing in penny stocks crusade', this was just before the world went into a global recession. It was terrifying to watch. Hundred's maybe thousand's signed on, I think the thread is still going. But it did show me how quickly new ideas can spread on the net, the right plan really could change things.

You're right, this is not the place to talk details. But, it should give some idea of what is possible when you break the dollar dementia and white capitalism.

I'll put together some software and rules of conduct for community traders.

Once I have something ready, look for a PM so you can take a look at it.

 

[Nitsuj18]

Aint that what Saddam said? While I agree, the powers that be aren't relinquishing that power easily.

IMO, the only hope at the scenario you describe, let this phony house of cards crumble. And let the crooks be exposed. Return to a more localized economy based on production

There are people with solutions and ideas and other people who want things to remain the same. The simple fact is the wealthiest 1% keeps getting richer and the gap between middle class and poverty is also getting larger. I'm not saying a change isnt needed but It's not going to happen in this lifetime.
On the other hand. The movies sheds a light on what most of this country is too stupid to find out for themselves and or things that are flat out hidden.
The people who deny the truth in this film just need to choke themselves.

 

[thoughtone]

Aint that what Saddam said? While I agree, the powers that be aren't relinquishing that power easily.

IMO, the only hope at the scenario you describe, let this phony house of cards crumble. And let the crooks be exposed. Return to a more localized economy based on production

Aint that what Saddam said?

Regardless who said it, it's true!

 

[nittie]

Originally Posted by nittie
The only advantage business has is they are not afraid of power or change.

Power refers broadly to any ability to effect change or exert control over either things or people, subjects or objects.

It's about Power and not being afraid to use it.