Michael Jackson was a wild dude

I dont think his family estate is losing at all in the deal...​

Sony Music Buys Stake in Michael Jackson Catalog, Valuing Rights at Over $1.2B​

The deal, which is likely worth at least $600 million, includes half of the late star's publishing and recorded masters catalog.




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In what could be the largest valuation ever of a musician’s music assets, Sony Music Group has closed an agreement to buy half of Michael Jackson‘s publishing and recorded masters catalog in a deal that sources say valued those music assets somewhere above $1.2 billion. Other sources have suggested it might be as much as $1.5 billion. At those valuations, Sony will pay at least $600 million for its stake of the legendary rights.

That means that the Jackson deal, which closed late last year, is at a bigger valuation than the $1.2 billion that Queen is currently seeking. And whereas the Queen valuation includes, sources say, royalties from income streams beyond the masters and publishing, including from the Freddie Mercury biopic, Bohemian Rhapsody, and theatrical productions using Queen’s music, Sony’s deal with the Michael Jackson estate does not include royalties from the Broadway play and other theatrical productions featuring Jackson’s music.






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It may not, however, just be Jackson’s music that’s involved in the deal. Sources say the current deal includes non-Jackson-authored songs in his Mijac publishing catalog, which also includes the approximately 250-song Sly & the Family Stone publishing catalog as well as iconic songs written and/or performed by Jerry Lee Lewis, Jackie Wilson, Curtis Mayfield, Ray Charles, Percy Sledge and Dion.



Last February, following a story first reported by Variety that the Jackson deal was being negotiated, Billboard estimated that the iconic artist’s estate earns about $75 million annually. Those assets include ownership of master recordings, publishing for Jackson’s share of his songs, his Mijac publishing catalog and revenue from merchandise and royalties from theatrical shows featuring Jackson’s music. At the time, Billboard estimated that within the $75 million estimate, Jackson’s recording and publishing assets alone brought in $47.2 million to the estate; and that Mijac might be bringing in another $5 million to $8 million annually.

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The Jackson estimate, however, did not take into account that his popularity appears to be growing as the streaming marketplace expands.

Sales and streams of Jackson’s music grew steadily from 1.07 million album equivalent units in 2020 to 1.47 million in 2023 — up 37% over those three years — according to Luminate. That outpaced the overall U.S. music market for album consumption units, which grew 22.9% during that time period. Outside the United States, Jackson is arguably even more popular. In 2023, consumption of his music grew 38.3% to 6.5 billion on-demand streams, up from 4.7 billion streams in 2021.

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Next year, a Jackson biopic called Michael will be released, likely fueling even more growth to his fanbase, boosting consumption and triggering more revenue to flow to his estate and any other rights holder.

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With all of the economic returns the estate is delivering, the masterminds behind it — lawyer John Branca and A&R executive John McClain — are expected to continue to stay involved as co-executors.




Sources indicate that the Sony deal also leaves in place Primary Wave’s stake, which is believed to be about 10% of Jackson’s publishing assets.

Throughout the years, Sony has paid the Jackson estate more than $2 billion in some major deals that go beyond distributing royalties for his records and songs. In 1991, the company paid $100 million to buy the first half of what became Sony/ATV; ATV Music was the catalog that Jackson bought in 1985 that contained the Beatles catalog and other popular songs. That was merged into Sony’s music publishing operation to become Sony/ATV, with Sony and Jackson each owning 50% of that company. In 2016, the company paid $750 million for the remaining 50% of Sony/ATV. It also paid $287.5 million for the Jackson estate’s share of the consortium that owned EMI Music Publishing in 2018, as well as dividends during its ownership of those assets that came out to a total of about $1.6 billion. And now, the latest deal adds another $600 million or more, driving the total amount past the $2 billion mark.

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Sony has been active with acquisitions over the past year. Last year, it was reported to also be acquiring what was been described as a significant minority stake in the Latin label and management company Rimas Entertainment, which launched Bad Bunny‘s career. The overall deal for the label and management was expected to have about a $300 million valuation, sources said at the time.

In May 2023, Sony also acquired the RECORDS catalog from Barry Weiss, Ron Perry and Matt Pincus, buying out the latter duo in a deal that was seeking a $100 million valuation; and then did a going forward 50/50 deal with Weiss, who retained control of the label’s recent catalog.
You think its cool that the people that he hated most and the ones who tried to destroy him by character assassination now own the catalogue that he fought so hard for and will ultimately control his music?

The family got a couple of coins from the deal, sure.
That's because nobody alive cares about anything else.

 
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You think its cool that the people that he hated most and the ones who tried to destroy him by character assassination now own the catalogue that he fought so hard for and will ultimately control his music?

The family got a couple of coins from the deal, sure.
That's because nobody alive cares about anything else.
2 billion isn’t a couple of coins. We talking about business and the business side of the family is doing it the right way! The other stuff I can’t answer to because MJ is gone(R.I.P.) and I don’t know the behind the scenes shit with all of that…
 
You think its cool that the people that he hated most and the ones who tried to destroy him by character assassination now own the catalogue that he fought so hard for and will ultimately control his music?

The family got a couple of coins from the deal, sure.
That's because nobody alive cares about anything else.


You can thumbs down me, but if Michael really cared why were his heirs who sold him out all white? Why were all the boys he chose to share his bed with white? Him appearing white, and being so pure of heart that even his kids were white, was a black baby boomer's fever dream. Everything was about integration and crossover to these people. If it wasnt white, it could never be right.
 
You can thumbs down me, but if Michael really cared why were his heirs who sold him out all white? Why were all the boys he chose to share his bed with white? Him appearing white, and being so pure of heart that even his kids were white, was a black baby boomer's fever dream. Everything was about integration and crossover to these people. If it wasnt white, it could never be right.
Half the shit you said is incorrect and the other half is irrelevant speculation with no basis.
No need to thumbs down you when you thumbs downed yourself when you made this post.

My point was about integrity over money.
It doesn't matter now. He's dead. The family sold out and Donald Trump is president. The world continues to be fucked up.
 
Half the shit you said is incorrect and the other half is irrelevant speculation with no basis.
No need to thumbs down you when you thumbs downed yourself when you made this post.

My point was about integrity over money.
It doesn't matter now. He's dead. The family sold out and Donald Trump is president. The world continues to be fucked up.
You can't expect family to maintain the discipline. That family never liked themselves because of the poverty they faced. Everyone wants to sell out is the American credo.
 
You can't expect family to maintain the discipline. That family never liked themselves because of the poverty they faced. Everyone wants to sell out is the American credo.
Theres levels to it.

Jackie married out, had mixed kids
Tito married out had mixed kids
Jermaine Married out, had mixed kids
Michael Married out, made white kids
Randy dated out, had mixed kids
Janet Married out, had mixed kid


Of the siblings who did not have white kids(3), 1 had no kids at all(Latoya). The other 2 married black spouse and stayed married.


Theres selling out, and then theres whatever the hell Michael did. You have to REALLY hate yourself to not even want mixed kids. He wanted pure white. Not only that, when the kids did not live up to the whiteness he expected, he went even further. Prince did not have blonde hair when he was born. Michael proceeded to dye his young sons hair blonde to match the white aesthetic he wanted. He was sick.
 
Half the shit you said is incorrect and the other half is irrelevant speculation with no basis.
No need to thumbs down you when you thumbs downed yourself when you made this post.

My point was about integrity over money.
It doesn't matter now. He's dead. The family sold out and Donald Trump is president. The world continues to be fucked up.
If you didnt see the sun this morning would you need proof for me to tell you that its blue?

Or would you know enough about the world to be able to see truth when you heard it?
 
If you didnt see the sun this morning would you need proof for me to tell you that its blue?

Or would you know enough about the world to be able to see truth when you heard it?
The most molested kid in the industry one of the Corey’s said of all the pedos he encountered in the industry , Michael never touched him or made any weird moves to seem like a pedophile.. if the biggest victim in the industry telling you Michael didn’t molest him than know the other accusations is bullshit
 
The most molested kid in the industry one of the Corey’s said of all the pedos he encountered in the industry , Michael never touched him or made any weird moves to seem like a pedophile.. if the biggest victim in the industry telling you Michael didn’t molest him than know the other accusations is bullshit
This sounds like the guy taking care of George Wallace after he was shot opining about the fact that the man was never directly racist to him. So Wade, and Safechuck, and Chandler, and Garrett, and Arvizo ALL lied on him? And he paid out millions to keep people quiet out of the goodness of his heart?

I mean, we can love Michael while knowing what he was. I dont know why for some of us he has to be this perfect saint to justify our love of him. Its like if the cult of Michael is destroyed our American dream is gone. Like if we are pure of heart, so talented, so gifted, that we can become godlike and produce kids without an ounce of black blood.....that by virtue of excellence we can cure the curse of ham in the eyes of black boomers. Its silly. He didnt keep those white boys around because they "Understood" him more.
 
This sounds like the guy taking care of George Wallace after he was shot opining about the fact that the man was never directly racist to him. So Wade, and Safechuck, and Chandler, and Garrett, and Arvizo ALL lied on him? And he paid out millions to keep people quiet out of the goodness of his heart?

I mean, we can love Michael while knowing what he was. I dont know why for some of us he has to be this perfect saint to justify our love of him. Its like if the cult of Michael is destroyed our American dream is gone. Like if we are pure of heart, so talented, so gifted, that we can become godlike and produce kids without an ounce of black blood.....that by virtue of excellence we can cure the curse of ham in the eyes of black boomers. Its silly. He didnt keep those white boys around because they "Understood" him more.
I guess the fbi lied to when they said they watched mj for a decade and found no proof of him being a pedo… 3 people who showed you no evidence of mj being a pedo you believe but the fbi that said we couldn’t find shit you don’t believe..got you
 
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