Michael Eric Dyson: "Jay-Z didn’t sell out by dealing with the NFL. This is how activism works."
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I didn't listen but please tell me you misheard that.
This is,why I begin my piece with Malcolm X criticizing Martin Luther King Jr. Calling him a sellout,an Uncle Tom and alike.And,it was later that Malcolm X had to realized you're in Harlem talking about Martin Luther King Jr, who's in Birmingham. So,Birmingham is where the issues are, dont stand in the safety in Harlem and be a Monday morning quarterback, go down in Birmingham...With,Bull Connor is beating women,children and African American men and then we can talk about your participation.
Funny ass BGOL niggas acting like Jay has never done anything for black folks, just because it wasn't publicized on a huge scale does not mean it didn't happen. Hell I ain't comparing him to a Dr. King or a Malcolm X but for niggas on here to say he's did nothing for black folks is just obsurd.
i ain't mad
Dyson likes to make this comment alot, when comparing MLK to Malcolm. Some truth, but acting as if Malcolm who had his Dad murdered by the Klan, his mother driven crazy, his educational system brainwashing him wasnt on the same level of Black destruction by white supremacy is not a complete analysis by Dyson.
Passive protesting, just wasnt going to work in the mind of some. Id rather the gun, but doesnt mean I dont love MLK.
I didnt say Jay aint a good brother, that has not done good things. It doesnt ring true, though, if you also dont criticize any man, for doing shady shit. The language he used, was terrible ("were moving on", who the fuck is we?) , while Matt Moore and others stay getting jobs for less talent and skill.
The optics of Jay attemtping power moves, while Goodell laughs at the idea that any one can sign Kaepernick, is an indictment on many of us, that get replaced, and punished at a higher level for lesser white people. Shit our kids get suspended at higher levels for trivial shit. We get merked by cops, while white men shoot up the spot and get taken to Burger King. This shit Jay did, divides any collective power we could ever think to build on the political aspect because he has parted the group, while letting Kaepernick's labor struggle be destroyed.
Why would any other man, dare stand up to the NFL, if the people, if Jay Z basically say, fuck it, lets move on.
OK,maybe I reached on that one
Makes you wonder who is who on here. He getting more hate than Trump.
Black folks are so content to sit under the white man's arms, it's ridiculous.
Jay has shown & proven time & time again that he is a capitalist first & if he can get some good will out of a situation, then so be it.
All you really have to do is ask yourself one simple question: what in the hell does an entertainment job do for us?
Jay has shown & proven time & time again that he is a capitalist first & if he can get some good will out of a situation, then so be it.
All you really have to do is ask yourself one simple question: what in the hell does an entertainment job do for us?
Old heads love some Jay-Z.
Jay Z ain't got no 6 classic albums
So what is YOUR official count of classic material for Jay Z's? Vol 2 may be a reach, but shit Hard Knock Life
There. He rapped for y’all and everything. Now stfu and watch football like y’all been doin
So what is YOUR official count of classic material for Jay Z's? Vol 2 may be a reach, but shit Hard Knock Life
He has 2 classic albums, and few more decent albums with a few classic tracks.
He has a lot classic tracks and collabs, some memorable mixtape/freestyle shit, but most of his albums are not albums you can listen to all the way through without skipping songs.
So what is YOUR official count of classic material for Jay Z's? Vol 2 may be a reach, but shit Hard Knock Life
Howard Stern: Go ahead, you’re on the air with Jay-Z.
Caller: Hey Jay, what’s up man?
Jay-Z: What’s happenin’?
Caller: With today’s market pretty much watered down by people that took Biggie’s style, how do you feel about talent like Canibus not gettin’ a fair shake?
Jay-Z: Um, I, I think all artists should get a fair shake. Uh Talib Kweli, Common Sense, Canibus. You know, I like the guy’s integrity.
Caller: Hey Jay, what’s up man?
Jay-Z: What’s happenin’?
Caller: With today’s market pretty much watered down by people that took Biggie’s style, how do you feel about talent like Canibus not gettin’ a fair shake?
Jay-Z: Um, I, I think all artists should get a fair shake. Uh Talib Kweli, Common Sense, Canibus. You know, I like the guy’s integrity.
If the "classics" are just the agreed upon lists, I guess one must acknowledge Reasonable Doubt. And you wouldn't have to acknowledge the works of Talib Kweli, Common, Canibus.
In that sense, "classic albums" are overrated because the discussion is skewed by mass production.
I'm just going to say that if we're talking about the best rap albums, Jay-Z is not in the conversation. Especially if we're talking about the kind of thoughtful music MED misrepresents Jay-Z as having produced.
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Naw, the hate for sellouts has always been strong. Jay Z just happened to fit the bill this particular time.
I'm usually down with Eric, but not on this one. Can't explain away Jay-Z making a deal with the devil simply as "activism". Dyson's stock just dropped a couple of points with me.
All of this!Dyson is a coon for the liberal establishment.
What Jay did was not activism but Dyson does show how the middle income black American thinks. They don't particularly care about the people as a whole but if a black somewhere can get paper from our suffering, they count it as a win. These are the same people who claimed racism is dead, we are in a post racial society when Barack got elected. In the seventies and eighties they supported Reagan and Republicans when the Panthers got destroyed and a few concessions were made. As long as they can point to a so called "win" we all are supposed to shut the fuck up and fall in line. Some of these black liberals are the worst.
Secondly, wasn't Kap's whole point was to bring awareness to policing and the black community and other racial inequities? What the fuck does that have to do with Jay's business deal. I think it had more to do with absolving the NFL of their bull shit and trying to get black support en masse.
This quote is bullshit. Martin was not "on the inside" of any white house administration. He never had any official title in any administration. He sometimes had access to them whenever the president found it helpful or politically expedient. They sought to use Martin for their benefit.
Also, Martin and Malcolm does not represent some "eternal tension". They started out on polar ends on political and social issues but by the time each of these men were assassinated they were on the same page. They were criticizing American hypocrisy and calling for the social and economic restructuring of America.
LOL this is why rich black folks like Jordan say "fuck em" when it comes to speaking out. They'll never do enough.
They'd have to go full militant - which of course would totally compromise their existing businesses. The same business that put them in the position to help in the first place.
In other words, "don't be mad because I like my coveted position on the white man's plantation".
Couldn’t go out anywhere from 98ish to 2005 without hearing JayZ all night. It wasn’t the albums it was the club records.
That's the problem, because of radio station/dj politics, people were force fed a lot of bullshit after Pac and Biggie died.
A lot of good MC's/rappers got forced out of the game and benefited from the radio/Dj politics after Biggie/Pac's death, Death Row split, Wutang radio ban, etc...
It was perfect timing for Jay Z/Rocafella, No Limit, Bad Boy, Murder Inc., and Southern hip hop to takeover the hip hop scene.
Me and boys were in the City one summer in late 90's, we turned on Hot 97 in car, they were playing Jay Z shit back to back all day. We called our fam, because we assumed something happened to him, and they were doing some type of dedication. We were in the car dying laughing, because we could not understand why a city with all these talented MC's, were force feeding Jay Z songs to the people all day. Then we understood why other veteran and talented upcoming MC's/rappers in NY were upset, because the radio station was killing the NY rap scene slowly.
Then they made Jay Z Def Jam CEO over LL Cool J, and he spent all his time there promoting his music and not promoting the other artists, shelved DMX and them cats.
Next thing you know, you saw cats from NY going to Atlanta, Houston, and Cali to try to get record deals, then I knew it was over, and shit would never be the same. NY mainstream hip hop scene had officially fell off to the point of no return.
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Dyson must have a book dropping. He's an opportunist scumbag.
Right. Come to find out he already wrote a Jay-Z book man. This cat is already bought and paid for.
That was always the plan.
"It was Jay-Z's presence that forced the NFL to do something it hadn't done in three years, give Colin Kaepernick a shot. So at that level, we've got to say Jay won."
CHUCK TODD: Does Jay-Z at all feel like the NFL's using him with this Kaepernick stuff or not? There's been a lot of accusations out there, that he's being used --
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON: Yeah.
CHUCK TODD: -- by the NFL on this. Do you find that?
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON: Of course not. Here's the thing. You're talking about racism and a racial lens. Why is it that we think, when a black guy sits at the table with a white guy, the white guy is using you, as opposed to, guess this, it was Jay-Z's presence that forced the NFL to do something it hadn't done in three years, give Colin Kaepernick a shot. So at that level, we've got to say Jay won.
CHUCK TODD: Does Jay-Z at all feel like the NFL's using him with this Kaepernick stuff or not? There's been a lot of accusations out there, that he's being used --
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON: Yeah.
CHUCK TODD: -- by the NFL on this. Do you find that?
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON: Of course not. Here's the thing. You're talking about racism and a racial lens. Why is it that we think, when a black guy sits at the table with a white guy, the white guy is using you, as opposed to, guess this, it was Jay-Z's presence that forced the NFL to do something it hadn't done in three years, give Colin Kaepernick a shot. So at that level, we've got to say Jay won.
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