Message to LeBron Haters: Was Jordan REALLY THAT much better than LeBron?

[tonydons2]

55-1.... Explain please?
2 Finals / No playoff series wins... Explain Please?

These are FACTUAL statistics, your IF doesn't count. MJ played 13 years, not 6...

Could it be because Jordan played most of his playoff career WITH Scottie Pippen? I believe , aside from the wizard years, they had 3 season's of Jordan without Pippen

 

[Dragonfly Jones]

Plus, you have to consider LeBrons playoff WINS without Wade and Bosh - 55, Jordans without Pippen... 1

That's a straw man argument. First off Jordan only played 3 years without Pippen not counting his Wizards years. He was 1-9 in those three seasons. With two series as the 8th seed against a loaded Celtics team. If you take all the games away from Jordan that were without Pippen you only have 5 seasons if you count the Wizards years.

LeBron had what 7 years of just him and role players before he left and played 4 years with Bosh and Wade. Then he left and is playing two years with Love and Kyrie. When Jordan played with a capable side kick he won 6 rings in 8 years. LeBron's first year with Wade he shit the bed in the finals as Wade carried them to their first loss. The second year he took over and they won against OKC and then the Spurs. Ray Allen hit the shot needed to clinch it after the Spurs choked away the game. Then he lost the third year as his teammates didn't pull their way. Last year his team had injuries and he played his heart out. This year I think it'll end the same way in the finals with another loss. He's 2-4 in the finals and will be 2-5.

LeBron even with skewed numbers is not touching Jordan. Even though Jordan had Pippen. It was always Jordan carrying the Bulls as the main guy every time. LeBron has been the main guy his last two times and his first time. The first two years in Miami was still Wade although in the Finals LeBron started to get more aggressive.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Dumb argument. If you are saying that Lebron played 55 more playoff games and Jordan won more titles it means that Jordan won when it mattered and was more efficient. Hard to match 6 titles in 8 years.

How is it a dumb argument... Yall want to bottle Jordan into the championship years... Taking entire careers (LeBron so far) into perspective is a truer measure...

So again, please explain to me, how Jordan was more dominant FOR HIS CAREER not just those Pippen years, when, without a superstar side kick he could only must ONE PLAYOFF WIN, while LeBron without a superstar side kick won 55 Games, 11 series and went to 2 finals?!?!?!

You can't act like Jordan didn't play those other season, or try to discredit Jordans LACK of accomplishments and LeBrons ridiculously superior accomplishments just to validate your argument Bruh...

Those stats are facts, so explain to me again how the other non Pippen years of Jordans Career don't count again?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

That's a straw man argument. First off Jordan only played 3 years without Pippen not counting his Wizards years. He was 1-9 in those three seasons. With two series as the 8th seed against a loaded Celtics team. If you take all the games away from Jordan that were without Pippen you only have 5 seasons if you count the Wizards years.

LeBron had what 7 years of just him and role players before he left and played 4 years with Bosh and Wade. Then he left and is playing two years with Love and Kyrie. When Jordan played with a capable side kick he won 6 rings in 8 years. LeBron's first year with Wade he shit the bed in the finals as Wade carried them to their first loss. The second year he took over and they won against OKC and then the Spurs. Ray Allen hit the shot needed to clinch it after the Spurs choked away the game. Then he lost the third year as his teammates didn't pull their way. Last year his team had injuries and he played his heart out. This year I think it'll end the same way in the finals with another loss. He's 2-4 in the finals and will be 2-5.

LeBron even with skewed numbers is not touching Jordan. Even though Jordan had Pippen. It was always Jordan carrying the Bulls as the main guy every time. LeBron has been the main guy his last two times and his first time. The first two years in Miami was still Wade although in the Finals LeBron started to get more aggressive.

Its not a straw man argument its a fact! Jordan played those years, and had to play the games with the teams he had, etc. so it does count. Like I said before, people try to avoid, eliminate or act like those non Pippen Championship years didn't happen because outside of a lot of highlights Jordan didn't accomplish shit! One Playoff GAME win in all those years is pathetic... I'm not even counting the Miami years, but ultimately, you want to bring up LeBrons Finals record, cool... Jordans career was ass outside of those championship years as well... Can't have it both ways Bruh...

So again, Explain to me how 55-1 happens again?

 

[ukNoWwHo]

See what a lot of people argue is the wins and the championships.
You can argue jordan couldn't win one playoff game without pippen but when he retired he was near or in his forties.
Well you argue lebron have more playoff wins. Sure he came in the league at a younger age while the east was at its weakest

What we should do is compare the type of play that propelled both men.

Jordan was probably the most versatile scorer ever. He had a goto move for everyone he faced. Jordan had quick dribbles, quick first step, short range, dunks, the abillitie to take off on one foot or two. You were smaller he would back you up and fade away or pivot in. You were bigger he would go by you if you were too far he rely on that short jumper. Thats not even mentioning this open court offense and defense.

LeBron doesn't have as much. Example: 2011 Lebron's first year in Miami. Dallas put that short puerto rican guy on Lebron and he lost his game. He did not have the sense to take him down to the post to either get easy buckets or get to the line.

Mentally they are worlds apart. LeBron wants to beat you and win but wants to be accepted as a good guy.Jordan wants to Kill you and the niggaz you came with and could give a fuck what people thought of him.

 

[BrownTurd]

1 Non-Pippen Playoff win for his CAREER?!?!?!
No playoff series wins without PIPPEN for his CAREER?!?!?
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55 playoff wins without D Wade and Bosh?!?!?!
2 Finals apperances without D Wade and Bosh?!?!?!

and the former equates to more dominance than the latter?

Explain that line of reasoning Bruh, Please?

How was Jordan supposed to win without Pippen when they came in the league almost at the same time. MJ came in the league in 1984 and Pippen in 1987.

MJ only played 18 games his second season because he broke his leg. So Pippen was with MJ his entire career except for one season. So how was he supposed to win with out Pippen?

 

[BrownTurd]

Its not a straw man argument its a fact! Jordan played those years, and had to play the games with the teams he had, etc. so it does count. Like I said before, people try to avoid, eliminate or act like those non Pippen Championship years didn't happen because outside of a lot of highlights Jordan didn't accomplish shit! One Playoff GAME win in all those years is pathetic... I'm not even counting the Miami years, but ultimately, you want to bring up LeBrons Finals record, cool... Jordans career was ass outside of those championship years as well... Can't have it both ways Bruh...

So again, Explain to me how 55-1 happens again?

He is right man that is a straw man argument and you are better than that homie.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Could it be because Jordan played most of his playoff career WITH Scottie Pippen? I believe , aside from the wizard years, they had 3 season's of Jordan without Pippen

Yeah, because he couldn't do SHIT in the playoffs, and even missed the playoffs quite a bit without Pippen... and those Wizards years still count as part of his career Bruh... Thanks for validating my point...

 

[cnc]

Jordan's Bulls teams won their first round playoff series 11 years in a row; and the first round only required THREE games to win the series. So LeBron gets a 20% advantage strictly based on getting to play one more game to get out the first round.

 

[BrownTurd]

Stil doesn't change what he has accomplished in his career... especially without Wade and Bosh... 2 finals.. MJ without Pippen... zero

You realize that Jordan only played one year without Pippen. His rookie year was in 1984, only played 18 games his 2nd season then Pippen arrived.

 

[tonydons2]

How is it a dumb argument... Yall want to bottle Jordan into the championship years... Taking entire careers (LeBron so far) into perspective is a truer measure...

So again, please explain to me, how Jordan was more dominant FOR HIS CAREER not just those Pippen years, when, without a superstar side kick he could only must ONE PLAYOFF WIN, while LeBron without a superstar side kick won 55 Games, 11 series and went to 2 finals?!?!?!

You can't act like Jordan didn't play those other season, or try to discredit Jordans LACK of accomplishments and LeBrons ridiculously superior accomplishments just to validate your argument Bruh...

Those stats are facts, so explain to me again how the other non Pippen years of Jordans Career don't count again?

Bottle? ... in 6 years?

 

[cnc]

and those Wizards years still count as part of his career Bruh

So you're going to use that as more fuel to make the case that a in his prime Lebron is more accomplished than Jordan who averaged 20 and 8 in his 40s?? GTFOH.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Stil doesn't change what he has accomplished in his career... especially without Wade and Bosh... 2 finals.. MJ without Pippen... zero

so it's jordan fault bulls decided to draft somebody good..so is durant suppose to be mad okc drafted russel how about ask kareem if he's pissed that lakers drafted magic or shaq mad lakers drafted kobe..dumbest shit ever trying to shit on a guy or discredit him cause his team did their job and drafted rite..i kno david robinson kicking himself in the ass cause spurs drafted duncan..in fact was pippen even drafted in the top 5..many teams could've picked pippen but they didn't so is that the bulls fault..in fact if pippen ain't top 5 selection dosen't that mean no team thought he was dat nice to begin with

 

[Dragonfly Jones]

Its not a straw man argument its a fact! Jordan played those years, and had to play the games with the teams he had, etc. so it does count. Like I said before, people try to avoid, eliminate or act like those non Pippen Championship years didn't happen because outside of a lot of highlights Jordan didn't accomplish shit! One Playoff GAME win in all those years is pathetic... I'm not even counting the Miami years, but ultimately, you want to bring up LeBrons Finals record, cool... Jordans career was ass outside of those championship years as well... Can't have it both ways Bruh...

So again, Explain to me how 55-1 happens again?

LeBron played 7 years, 7 years with role players. Jordan play 3 without Pippen. LeBron would've gotten swept twice too against those Celtics teams. That's why your numbers are skewed. Also LeBron had the extra game for playoffs. It was a best of 5 first round back then instead of all best of 7's. If they played at the same time how many finals would LeBron have made if he had to play that Bulls team?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

How was Jordan supposed to win without Pippen when they came in the league almost at the same time. MJ came in the league in 1984 and Pippen in 1987.

MJ only played 18 games his second season because he broke his leg. So Pippen was with MJ his entire career except for one season. So how was he supposed to win with out Pippen?

Just like you implied about the article, sounds like like you desperately trying to make excuses for Jordan... Again, ONE PLAYOFF GAME WIN without Pippen... Regardless of if it was one year or 10 (he played 5 years without him), that's still ASS production... LeBron on the other hand, to make fair comparisons, played 6 seasons before going to Miami.... during those first 6 years (EIGHT playoff series wins, FORTY THREE PLAYOFF WINS!!!)

So again, please explain this disparity to me Bruh... I'm still waiting for somebody to make at least a little sense and stop with all the damn plea coppin' ?!?!

 

[tonydons2]

How many times have we watched LeBron mentally fuck up in a clutch big game? Not miss a shot ... I mean mentally fuck up, like a key turn over or missed free thow's or passing the clutch shot to Donyell Marshall.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

so it's jordan fault bulls decided to draft somebody good..so is durant suppose to be mad okc drafted russel how about ask kareem if he's pissed that lakers drafted magic or shaq mad lakers drafted kobe..dumbest shit ever trying to shit on a guy or discredit him cause his team did their job and drafted rite..i kno david robinson kicking himself in the ass cause spurs drafted duncan

Still doesn't explain a 55-1 disparity without Pippen as opposed to LeBron without Wade and Bosh... So, those Cleveland teams were juggernauts huh?!?!

Cut it the fuck out Dude... 55-1 EXPLAIN PLEASE!?!?!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

How many times have we watched LeBron mentally fuck up in a clutch big game? Not miss a shot ... I mean mentally fuck up, like a key turn over or missed free thow's or passing the clutch shot to Donyell Marshall.

FIFTY FIVE TO ONE!!!! Can someone PLEASE tackle this question... PLEASE?!?!?!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

LeBron played 7 years, 7 years with role players. Jordan play 3 without Pippen. LeBron would've gotten swept twice too against those Celtics teams. That's why your numbers are skewed. Also LeBron had the extra game for playoffs. It was a best of 5 first round back then instead of all best of 7's. If they played at the same time how many finals would LeBron have made if he had to play that Bulls team?

FIFTY FIVE TO ONE... You're still not addressing the FACTUAL question directly... Just copping pleas... and starting a question off with IF indicates and opinion not a fact... and I am discussing FACTS right now... 55-1... Whats Up?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

So you're going to use that as more fuel to make the case that a in his prime Lebron is more accomplished than Jordan who averaged 20 and 8 in his 40s?? GTFOH.

FIFTY FIVE to ONE.... Holla at me on THAT question Bruh

 

[tallblacknyc]

Still doesn't explain a 55-1 disparity without Pippen as opposed to LeBron without Wade and Bosh... So, those Cleveland teams were juggernauts huh?!?!

Cut it the fuck out Dude... 55-1 EXPLAIN PLEASE!?!?!

how many chips robinson got without duncan?? how many final appearances without duncan..robinson played over a decade without duncan no chips, no final appearances.. i guess he shawn bradley status without duncan rite

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Bottle? ... in 6 years?

Yes.... cuz you Dudes are avoiding direct questions about the remainder of his career like a motherfucker...

55-1 Bruh... What you got?

 

[tonydons2]

Just like you implied about the article, sounds like like you desperately trying to make excuses for Jordan... Again, ONE PLAYOFF GAME WIN without Pippen... Regardless of if it was one year or 10 (he played 5 years without him), that's still ASS production... LeBron on the other hand, to make fair comparisons, played 6 seasons before going to Miami.... during those first 6 years (EIGHT playoff series wins, FORTY THREE PLAYOFF WINS!!!)

So again, please explain this disparity to me Bruh... I'm still waiting for somebody to make at least a little sense and stop with all the damn plea coppin' ?!?!

Who did LeBron have to beat to get those 55 playoff wins? Jordan lost to great teams like Celtics and pistons. Did LeBron beat the great teams of his times like spurs, lakers, pistons, celtics? No he did not. He beat sophomoric teams like wizards and bulls to get those 55 playoff wins

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

how many chips robinson got without duncan?? how many final appearances without duncan..robinson played over a decade without duncan no chips, no final appearances.. i guess he shawn bradley status without duncan rite

Still not answering a question asked 100 times already... Fuck all that other shit!!!

FIFTY FIVE TO ONE!?!?! Stop avoiding a direct question Bruh... Explain that shit?!?!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Who did LeBron have to beat to get those 55 playoff wins? Jordan lost to great teams like Celtics and pistons. Did LeBron beat the great teams of his times like spurs, lakers, pistons, celtics? No he did not. He beat sophomoric teams like wizards and bulls to get those 55 playoff wins

Ok Mister Cochran... more pleas... FIFTY FIVE TO ONE... FIFTY FIVE TO ONE!!! A FIFTY FOUR GAME DISPARITY....

Are you going to explain that shit or keep bobbing and weaving and plea coppin?

 

[ukNoWwHo]

FIFTY FIVE TO ONE... You're still not addressing the FACTUAL question directly... Just copping pleas... and starting a question off with IF indicates and opinion not a fact... and I am discussing FACTS right now... 55-1... Whats Up?

That number is invalid. Whats the win/loss record?

 

[Dragonfly Jones]

How is it a dumb argument... Yall want to bottle Jordan into the championship years... Taking entire careers (LeBron so far) into perspective is a truer measure...

So again, please explain to me, how Jordan was more dominant FOR HIS CAREER not just those Pippen years, when, without a superstar side kick he could only must ONE PLAYOFF WIN, while LeBron without a superstar side kick won 55 Games, 11 series and went to 2 finals?!?!?!

You can't act like Jordan didn't play those other season, or try to discredit Jordans LACK of accomplishments and LeBrons ridiculously superior accomplishments just to validate your argument Bruh...

Those stats are facts, so explain to me again how the other non Pippen years of Jordans Career don't count again?

Just so you know that Celtics team the first year that they swept the Bulls went 40-1 at home. They had Parrish, McHale, Bird, Ainge, D. Johnson and Bill Walton on bench. That year was also the year Jordan broke his foot early and only played 18 games that year. He dropped the record that still stands 63 points. All he had was Orlando Woolridge a Rookie Charles Oakley and.....

 

[BrownTurd]

Just like you implied about the article, sounds like like you desperately trying to make excuses for Jordan... Again, ONE PLAYOFF GAME WIN without Pippen... Regardless of if it was one year or 10 (he played 5 years without him), that's still ASS production... LeBron on the other hand, to make fair comparisons, played 6 seasons before going to Miami.... during those first 6 years (EIGHT playoff series wins, FORTY THREE PLAYOFF WINS!!!)

So again, please explain this disparity to me Bruh... I'm still waiting for somebody to make at least a little sense and stop with all the damn plea coppin' ?!?!

Jordan played one season without Pippen which was his rookie year. So is your argument that Jordan missed the playoffs his rookie year?

Micheal Jordans Rookie Year 38-44
Lebron James rookie year 35-47

Second Season
Micheal Jordan 2nd season 40–42
Lebron James 42–40

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

That number is invalid. Whats the win/loss record?

Jordan was 1-10
LeBron is 55-33

Damn.. that makes that shit even more embarrassing...

Playoff Games Played without superstar counterparts(since he won some series along the way)
Jordan - 11
LeBron - 88

Wow... I'm out... Shits not even fair at this point

 

[tonydons2]

Ok Mister Cochran... more pleas... FIFTY FIVE TO ONE... FIFTY FIVE TO ONE!!! A FIFTY FOUR GAME DISPARITY....

Are you going to explain that shit or keep bobbing and weaving and plea coppin?

Nobody cares that you are going to Donald Trump one stat in your favor and keep repeating it like it's the only argument to be made.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Just so you know that Celtics team the first year that they swept the Bulls went 40-1 at home. They had Parrish, McHale, Bird, Ainge, D. Johnson and Bill Walton on bench. That year was also the year Jordan broke his foot early and only played 18 games that year. He dropped the record that still stands 63 points. All he had was Orlando Woolridge a Rookie Charles Oakley and.....

More Pleas.... FIFTY FIVE TO ONE BRUH.... FIFTY FIVE TO ONE

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Nobody cares that you are going to Donald Trump one stat in your favor and keep repeating it like it's the only argument to be made.

Why you getting mad Bruh?!?! Cuz all the plea coppin is weak as fuck?
Nah... lets just forget about anything beside those 6 Pippen dependent titles though...
You can't have it one way Bruh... and there are about 15 stats in that environment that make my point not just the one...
You Dudes want to act like Jordans career was only comprised of those title years.. and they weren't... FOH!!

FIFTY FIVE TO ONE BRUH

 

[BrownTurd]

Still doesn't explain a 55-1 disparity without Pippen as opposed to LeBron without Wade and Bosh... So, those Cleveland teams were juggernauts huh?!?!

Cut it the fuck out Dude... 55-1 EXPLAIN PLEASE!?!?!

6 titles in 8 years is far better than padding stats and have nothing to show for it.

 

[Dragonfly Jones]

FIFTY FIVE TO ONE... You're still not addressing the FACTUAL question directly... Just copping pleas... and starting a question off with IF indicates and opinion not a fact... and I am discussing FACTS right now... 55-1... Whats Up?

I just told you he had 3 seasons vs 7 based on your skewed stats of 55-1. Fuck taking anybody out just count what they did he has 119 playoff wins and 6 rings with 6 finals MVPs Fact that.

 

[tonydons2]

6 NBA FINALS MVP's to ...