Meet Monsanto's number one lobbyist: Barack Obama
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Right we only call out politicans who are liars if they're either white or republican, however obama can lie all day baby.
It means carrying on! If you really wanted to have a discussion you would have provided more than your "out-burst." In addition, you would have provided reasons why "Jwilliam85" should be listen too. What is it that he brings to this discussion "in-fact"
Nigga if there was a scientific study done on GMO's they would have to shut the doors the next day. It's poison straight up and I think you know that.
Just like how high fructose corn syrup is being silently removed from a lot of foods because the studies have been done and it shows that HFCS and fake sugar is basically food for cancer. Everytime I go to store I see a new item that says "Made with no corn syrup".
Nigga if there was a scientific study done on GMO's they would have to shut the doors the next day. It's poison straight up and I think you know that.
Just like how high fructose corn syrup is being silently removed from a lot of foods because the studies have been done and it shows that HFCS and fake sugar is basically food for cancer. Everytime I go to store I see a new item that says "Made with no corn syrup".
I will expand further. Their are no such things as "synthetic chemicals" and their respective, constituents parts! What i mean by that is this:
"CO2" created in a lab is the same "CO2" found in "nature." It consist of one part Carbon and two parts Oxygen period! Whether the "Carbon" atom is acquire via a chemical reaction or in the atmosphere its the same shit. Technology/Science provides us various options on how to acquire this element.
Let's expand further: If it isn't apparent by now, chemicals are the constituent building blocks of genes, more specifically their normally called nucleotides in biology.
Here we go again.
1) Whats the difference between a gene being acquired by Cross Pollination or Cross Breeding?
2) Do people realize GMOs are created by nature EVERYDAY? By other plants, Symbiotic and Pathogenic relationships with Nematodes, Bacteria, Fungi and Viruses. If this were not so, then plants as we know them today, would not exist! HINT: Neither would we!
i see what ur doing here an i honestly just dont have it in me to go back an forth wit ya
a couple years ago sure but now nah
all i'll say is that genetically modified food should be labeled so that everyone has a choice, other than that u win
i also think its kinda fucked up on ticals part that in 2 separate threads were he had an opportunity to share knowledge with the rest of us an make his point like a human being, he instead decided to use debating tactics, avoiding answering direct questions, etc as if dude has a brand to protect
maybe dude is just too close to stuff like this an cant allow himself to see the negatives
sorta like some of the dudes who made the first nukes
maybe dude is just too close to stuff like this an cant allow himself to see the negatives
sorta like some of the dudes who made the first nukes
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i also think its kinda fucked up on ticals part that in 2 separate threads were he had an opportunity to share knowledge with the rest of us an make his point like a human being, he instead decided to use debating tactics, avoiding answering direct questions, etc as if dude has a brand to protect
maybe dude is just too close to stuff like this an cant allow himself to see the negatives
sorta like some of the dudes who made the first nukes
Not at all Mike123,
Look at my conversation with "KunningLinguist."
He presented his arguments/thoughts like an adult, give and take. I shared with him information relevant to his points, we chopped it up! That was that.
On the other hand look at how "Jwill" approached the situation
Running up on me like we in the streets. Here's the point if i've put a portion of my resume on the table relevant and applicable to this particular conversation at the very least shouldn't what i say carry some weight? If you have specific questions and I know the answer I have no problem explaining it. When it comes to this issue, I'm NOT an expert, but damn sure I've had a level of intimate exposure to some of the top experts in the field(Technical and the Business side of the operations) and have done some of the entry level work associated with it.Also it's very possible and likely as with alot of big businesses theirs things that they don't want the general public to know! However, based on the entry level work I've done and the PhDs etc etc involved in the various projects I'm aware of(Local Agriculture to crops for the planet Mars) I haven't heard or read any technical paper that suggest most of what is being proposed against the company.
So if you have a particular question that I didn't address in "KunningLinguist" post them fire away!
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FYI......Obama didnt "hire" anyone per se. He depended on other people to pick the cabinet members that surrounds him. Thats why he's had such a tough time "doing the right things". He's always had more corrupt people surrounding him than righteous ones. And if he wins a second term....it'll be the same next year...if the people allow it.
with all due respect....that really doesnt mean shit. Just because youve been in the lab and socialized with some of the workers doesnt mean you know the end and outs of the whole operation. Ive worked with the feds before....and I learned more shit about them off bgol than I learned when I actually worked for em.
Lets keep it real...when it pertains to Corps like Monsanto....everything thats coming from you and everyone else in this thread, including myself, is more speculation than anything; That is unless youre a internet troll for Monsanto or the Obama Admin thats trying to justify shady deals.
Despite popular belief there are some Pros to GM foods. One of the main ones being its helping to keep starving people with food. But.....when youre experimenting with the dna or rna of plants, seeds, etc...with the basis of your experimenting being money management.....
......then in reality youre playing with fire more than anything else.
Anyone that tries to compare the the natural gmo's produced in nature with the gmo's produced in a lab within capitalistic society is somewhat mentally lost. The effects of gmo's in animals is known...and the results havent been good....but the long term effects on humans arent vivid just yet. So the fact that you have a company willing to experiment..at will....with the dna and rna of foods....with money being more important than the health of the public...then more than likely youre gonna have a lot of fuck ups. Yeah....youre keeping people fed and trying to run a business...but at what cost to the people?
anyways....the attempts people make in order to save an elected official some votes is getting more and more dangerous now ah dayz. God bless America....lol
Curious,
Has anyone in this thread ever been to a Monsantos headquarters? A lab? Dealt with anyone at ANY level involved in their overall operations?
I have, What about you? OP? ANYBODY?
with all due respect....that really doesnt mean shit. Just because youve been in the lab and socialized with some of the workers doesnt mean you know the end and outs of the whole operation. Ive worked with the feds before....and I learned more shit about them off bgol than I learned when I actually worked for em.
Lets keep it real...when it pertains to Corps like Monsanto....everything thats coming from you and everyone else in this thread, including myself, is more speculation than anything; That is unless youre a internet troll for Monsanto or the Obama Admin thats trying to justify shady deals.
Despite popular belief there are some Pros to GM foods. One of the main ones being its helping to keep starving people with food. But.....when youre experimenting with the dna or rna of plants, seeds, etc...with the basis of your experimenting being money management.....
......then in reality youre playing with fire more than anything else.
Anyone that tries to compare the the natural gmo's produced in nature with the gmo's produced in a lab within capitalistic society is somewhat mentally lost. The effects of gmo's in animals is known...and the results havent been good....but the long term effects on humans arent vivid just yet. So the fact that you have a company willing to experiment..at will....with the dna and rna of foods....with money being more important than the health of the public...then more than likely youre gonna have a lot of fuck ups. Yeah....youre keeping people fed and trying to run a business...but at what cost to the people?
anyways....the attempts people make in order to save an elected official some votes is getting more and more dangerous now ah dayz. God bless America....lol
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I will expand further. Their are no such things as "synthetic chemicals" and their respective, constituents parts! What i mean by that is this:
"CO2" created in a lab is the same "CO2" found in "nature." It consist of one part Carbon and two parts Oxygen period! Whether the "Carbon" atom is acquire via a chemical reaction or in the atmosphere its the same shit. Technology/Science provides us various options on how to acquire this element.
Let's expand further: If it isn't apparent by now, chemicals are the constituent building blocks of genes, more specifically their normally called nucleotides in biology.
Here we go again.
1) Whats the difference between a gene being acquired by Cross Pollination or Cross Breeding?
2) Do people realize GMOs are created by nature EVERYDAY? By other plants, Symbiotic and Pathogenic relationships with Nematodes, Bacteria, Fungi and Viruses. If this were not so, then plants as we know them today, would not exist! HINT: Neither would we!
Come on man, there is no way, no how, that in nature a gene from corn would be crossbred with a pig. Yet they do things like that in lab all the time...
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this is in reply to brother TICAL, Im not sure if this is even possible, but if you had to sum up your exposure and education dealing with GMO's, would you conclude that they are safe for extended human consumption? and would you conclude that they are less healthy or equally as healthy than non-GMO foods? especially dealing with things such as produce and meat.
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So brother Tical never came back. Every time the subject of GMOs come up around here he tries to sell us on the idea that taking genetic material from one species and injecting into genetic material of another species is on the same level as what monks used to do hundreds of years ago when they cross-pollinated flowers.
Bullshit.
I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that he is really a lobbyist for the industry.
Bullshit.
I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that he is really a lobbyist for the industry.
Furor Growing Against Obama Over 'Monsanto Protection Act'
Anger is growing against President Barack Obama the day after he signed into law a spending bill that included a provision opponents have dubbed the "Monsanto Protection Act."
That bill, the HR 933 continuing resolution, was mainly aimed at averting a government shutdown and ensuring that the federal government would continue to be able to pay its bills for the next six months.
But food and public safety advocates and independent farmers are furious that Obama signed it despite its inclusion of language that they consider to be a gift to Monsanto Company (NYSE:MON) and other firms that produce genetically modified organisms (GMOs) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds and crops.
And protesters have spent the past couple of days demonstrating in front of the White House, first calling on Obama to veto the bill, and now criticizing him for his failure to do so.
The protests come on the heels of a massive petition campaign organized by the advocacy group Food Democracy Now, which gathered the signatures of more than 200,000 people who wanted Obama to veto HR 933 in order to stop Section 735 -- the so-called "Monsanto Protection Act" -- from being codified into law.
But Obama ignored it, instead choosing to sign a bill that effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of GMO or GE crops and seeds, no matter what health consequences from the consumption of these products may come to light in the future.
"This provision is simply an industry ploy to continue to sell genetically engineered seeds even when a court of law has found they were approved by USDA illegally," the petition stated. "It is unnecessary and an unprecedented attack on U.S. judicial review. Congress should not be meddling with the judicial review process based solely on the special interest of a handful of companies."
Many food safety advocates maintain that there have not been enough studies into the potential health risks of GMO and GE seeds and crops, and the judicial power to stop companies from selling or planting them was one key recourse they were relying on to stop them from being sold if health risks come to light.
But the "Monsanto Protection Act" -- referred to as the "Farmer Assurance Provision" by its supporters -- removes that course of action, and those who are angry at Obama for signing the bill are also incensed with Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D- Md., who is accused of failing to give the amendment that inserted the language a proper hearing.
“In this hidden backroom deal, Sen. Mikulski turned her back on consumer, environmental and farmer protection in favor of corporate welfare for biotech companies such as Monsanto,” Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety, said in a statement. “This abuse of power is not the kind of leadership the public has come to expect from Sen. Mikulski or the Democrat Majority in the Senate."
A number of the provision's vocal opponents allege that it was quietly inserted while the bill was still in the Senate Appropriations Committee, which Mikulski chairs, and that her committee did not hold any hearings on its language. They say many Democratic members who voted for the bill were unaware.
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