Mcdonalds Incident.... Self defense???

If you are basing your claims solely on the video, there's no way of knowing whether or not they had a weapon. Also there were people around, but who there were trying to stop the aggressors?:rolleyes: finally if the counter was blocking the view, it's hard to say whether or not they had given up or if they were trying to get back up to resume the attack.

What you are feeling may be right to you but is not whats written in those law books. The court does not care about how you feel but rather what is printed in those law books. So you have to be smart with your actions.
 
Over 90% of you got it wrong. This is why niggas end up on The 1st 48 crying and shit. Just reading the thread you can tell who the dumb niggas are. They would be the ones trying to tell that weak as story about self defense and end up with 15 years. First off, you niggas need to stop being educated by the Lil wayne and Gucci Mane. But in all seriousness, brothas and sistas we have to know our rights.

No matter what happened, if you get into an altercation with someone and they are injured "You will get charged and go to jail" The reason is that police cant assume you used self defense.

Positives for dude
According to his state law he is not required to retreat if he is somewhere he is supposed to be such as home or the work place.

From the video he was not the aggressor before the first punch was thrown.

Negatives gray areas that may cost him
You can only use force for force. This means in you cant use objects. Unless you can prove your life was in danger. In his case he wont be able to prove that because no weapon was presented.

Once the threat has been eliminated you can continue to use force to subdue them until the police arrive...but if there is more then one party available to subdue the aggressor force cant be used anymore. Also if the threat has given up you have to stop immediately.

His issue is that he became the aggressor. Even in stressful situations you cant loose your train of thought. Doing so can cost you like it may cost this brotha.

You make those statements as if they are law, they are not.

And who were the other people available to subdue..the ones just standing around looking?..and just because they are "available", does that mean they are actively subduing?
 
Some of these responses are crazy. Them chicks coulda maced dude, dunked him in the fryer, and been running out of Mickey D's before the cops arrived. You don't jump the counter AND CHASE nobody at a spot like that, whether it be man, woman, child, dog, or fucking oompa loompa.

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You make those statements as if they are law, they are not.

And who were the other people available to subdue..the ones just standing around looking?..and just because they are "available", does that mean they are actively subduing?

Those are laws within his state. Like i told others. What you feel may be right to you but may not be what is written in those law books. If your actions are not covered by the law you may be seeing jail time
 
Funny how no one was trying to stop those females from cursing the guy out,calling him pussy,slapping him,jumping the counter etc..everyone just stood around quiet.

soon as they got the best beating of their lives,everyone wants to stop him,white lady yelling stop,etc..


some these women can thank the womens right movement for this.

Long overdue with more to come.

Oh yea men not supposed to hit women no matter what..:rolleyes:

most amusing.

I'm lovin it. <---no pun intended.
 
it stopped being self defense the second the chiks were down and no longer a threat. he will be charged with felony assault.
 
Funny how no one was trying to stop those females from cursing the guy out,calling him pussy,slapping him,jumping the counter etc..everyone just stood around quiet.

soon as they got the best beating of their lives,everyone wants to stop him,white lady yelling stop,etc..


some these women can thank the womens right movement for this.

Long overdue with more to come.

Oh yea men not supposed to hit women no matter what..:rolleyes:
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most amusing.

I'm lovin it. <---no pun intended.
Brotha you have choices. You can fight that battle and risk your freedom or you can walk away and enjoy the rest of your life.
 
Funny how no one was trying to stop those females from cursing the guy out,calling him pussy,slapping him,jumping the counter etc..everyone just stood around quiet.

soon as they got the best beating of their lives,everyone wants to stop him,white lady yelling stop,etc..


some these women can thank the womens right movement for this.

Long overdue with more to come.

Oh yea men not supposed to hit women no matter what..:rolleyes:

most amusing.

I'm lovin it. <---no pun intended.

^^^
 
Brotha you have choices. You can fight that battle and risk your freedom or you can walk away and enjoy the rest of your life.

Obviously you can see whats goin on underneath the counter.

do tell,what was she doing,just layin back or something else.
 
Those are laws within his state. Like i told others. What you feel may be right to you but may not be what is written in those law books. If your actions are not covered by the law you may be seeing jail time

If he is in New York, the following is the law on self defense.

CONSOLIDATED LAWS OF NEW YORK

Penal

Part 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

Title C. DEFENSES

Article 35. DEFENSE OF JUSTIFICATION


Current through 2010 Legislative Session
§ 35.15. Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person

1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless:

(a) The latter's conduct was provoked by the actor with intent to cause physical injury to another person; or

(b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case the use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if the actor has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical force; or

(c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.

2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:

(a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is using or about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the actor may not use deadly physical force if he or she knows that with complete personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the necessity of so doing by retreating; except that the actor is under no duty to retreat if he or she is:

(i) in his or her dwelling and not the initial aggressor; or

(ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police officer or a peace officer at the latter's direction, acting pursuant to section 35.30; or

(b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal sexual act or robbery; or

(c) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that the use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of section 35.20.

it stopped being self defense the second the chiks were down and no longer a threat. he will be charged with felony assault.

What one is charged with is a long way from what one is actually convicted of, if anything.

The same arguments that we are having here will be made in court and most importantly in the jury box.
 
Obviously you can see whats goin on underneath the counter.

do tell,what was she doing,just layin back or something else.

I dont care what she was doing. My only concern would be with me. Like i said earlier. You can risk fighting that battle and place your freedom in jeopardy. Or walk away and leave no doubt.
 
I dont care what she was doing. My only concern would be with me. Like i said earlier. You can risk fighting that battle and place your freedom in jeopardy. Or walk away and leave no doubt.

You really need to put those barbies away,and fix your skirt and pink pannies.

Since you dont care what she was doing,you may never walk away or walk away losing a limb,eye,etc..

we obviously cant see whats going on underneath the counter,what she was doing,but here you are saying well just walk away...doh.

present a different scenario and i might see your point.
when folks are hurt they will do anything at anytime,you have to make sure they are subdued,this is not wwe,this shyt is not scripted.

and for all the other geniuses please tell us what was goin on underneath the counter.
 
I dont care what she was doing. My only concern would be with me. Like i said earlier. You can risk fighting that battle and place your freedom in jeopardy. Or walk away and leave no doubt.

You talking about the "law" and you don't care what the aggressor was doing? Aren't the aggressors actions relevant to issue of self defense?
 
Now that you guys know the law, keep going.....I ain't got shit to do tonight you ya'll are entertaining me.....:lol::lol:
 
You really need to put those barbies away,and fix your skirt and pink pannies.

Since you dont care what she was doing,you may never walk away or walk away losing a limb,eye,etc..

we obviously cant see whats going on underneath the counter,what she was doing,but here you are saying well just walk away...doh.

present a different scenario and i might see your point.
when folks are hurt they will do anything at anytime,you have to make sure they are subdued,this is not wwe,this shyt is not scripted.

and for all the other geniuses please tell us what was goin on underneath the counter.

You can call me what you want. Because I walked away I will be able to go home to my family. Which is more important then teaching a chick I will never see again in my life a lesson which could cost me my freedom.

She had a fractured skull and the other a broken arm so they were not doing to much under the cabinet.

Like i keep saying. Your actions whether you think are right or wrong can cause you your freedom. The risk of his freedom was greater then the risk of those females harming him.
 
Where's the vid??

Edit: Found it.



Bitches got what they deserved. Act like a nigga? Want to fight a nigga? Leap behind the counter like you're REALLY going to do something. Suffer the consequences. Welcome to the life of a nigga. :yes:
 
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You can call me what you want. Because I walked away I will be able to go home to my family. Which is more important then teaching a chick I will never see again in my life a lesson which could cost me my freedom.

She had a fractured skull and the other a broken arm so they were not doing to much under the cabinet.

Like i keep saying. Your actions whether you think are right or wrong can cause you your freedom. The risk of his freedom was greater then the risk of those females harming him.

*sigh*


dude walked away after getting slapped and was still being chased down presumably for a further attack. this shit is ridiculous, I really need to see the vid yall are watching, cuz clearly its not the same one I saw.
 
19 pages in a few days? Did somebody get ocked???

nope. apparently to some in the thread, the man in the vid is an out of control psychotic maniac, despite the fact that the vid showed him walkin away from the initial provocation, who haaad to teach these 'dykes' a lesson.:rolleyes: then there are the people who disagree with that and that's basically the back and forth in this thread.
 
*sigh*


dude walked away after getting slapped and was still being chased down presumably for a further attack. this shit is ridiculous, I really need to see the vid yall are watching, cuz clearly its not the same one I saw.

He walked away to grab a metal rod. He is a convicted murder that should have been put to death.
 
nope. apparently to some in the thread, the man in the vid is an out of control psychotic maniac, despite the fact that the vid showed him walkin away from the initial provocation, who haaad to teach these 'dykes' a lesson.:rolleyes: then there are the people who disagree with that and that's basically the back and forth in this thread.

Oh ok.:cool: I'm guessing Legacy Infinity is the reason this dialogue has reached this many pages...
 
He walked away to grab a metal rod. He is a convicted murder that should have been put to death.

He did what he had to do. What would you be saying if he didn't react the way he did and the dyke bitch splashed the milkshake machine with his brains, because he didn't properly prepare himself for an attacker that leaped the counter in pursuit of him?
 
lol he went back to hit them TWICE. lol


"I need to check your $50 to make sure its authentic"

Did you sound analyze this? Because i couldn't hear it. lol I'm remembering the other day when the vid was posted of the woman who was talking to the guy and he reached out and slapped her and knocked her down. He was cheered. She was villified for talking shit. Just wondering of course. What he was saying to make her slap him? Was he talking shit? Was he being condescending? Was he being smart mouthed? Did he deserve to get slapped? Maybe he said something rude to her?

Just wondering.
 
lol he went back to hit them TWICE. lol




Did you sound analyze this? Because i couldn't hear it. lol I'm remembering the other day when the vid was posted of the woman who was talking to the guy and he reached out and slapped her and knocked her down. He was cheered. She was villified for talking shit. Just wondering of course. What he was saying to make her slap him? Was he talking shit? Was he being condescending? Was he being smart mouthed? Did he deserve to get slapped? Maybe he said something rude to her?

Just wondering.

which thread/vid was this?
 
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