Mcdonalds Incident.... Self defense???

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I get what you are saying but I can only go by what I see and I don't see any blades being pulled out but I do see a dude beating two females, after being provoked, with a metal rod or whatever it is.

He could have beat they ass with his hands and gotten similar results.

Edit:

He doesn't walk away to getaway...he ran off to get the rod to beat they ass. If he was walking away to getaway he wouldn't have had the rod in his hand when the camera gets back on him.

and if he went and got the rod and came over the counter after them it would be an open and shut case
but because they went into the restricted area to pursue the conflict you can't say what he would have done had they not went back there...
it shows them going to pursue it those are the facts
 
Question for the board......

Would you all feel the exact same way.......

If the assailants were 2 guys?

and that is the essence of the conversation

No they would not

well they would laugh and giggle and do their c/s's and shit but they wouldnt be as happy and hype about it as they are right now

These guys are acting almost vindicated like this guy proved some point on their behalf

They love this shit cuz
1. its a woman being "put in her place" by a man
2. its a black woman being "put in her place by a black man"
3. its a black woman who is a lesbian but not the kind that would ever give them any play ... these guys hate studs

Once he got the weapon and hit them multiple times after they were down it passed self defense. I do not understand what's so hard to understand about that.

Exactly this is it in a nutshell

and I'm LOLing at dudes hoping he will get off rotfl He is not getting off

he's going right back to where he came from...JAIL
 
"Come back here and git dat dere" PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!As Tony Montana put it so well "Well look at you now"
 
that was an accident, he shot two people that he didnt mean to shoot.

Guess he pulled the gun and pointed it at the deceased by accident too huh?? :rolleyes: :smh:

Had this been a bw you guys wouldnt be so quick to dismiss the violent history :smh::smh:

All you are doing is c/s more irresponsibility from bm :smh::smh::smh: always blame it on someone else ... never own up to your own shit ... its always someone elses fault when you guys fuck up ... talkin bout the system and the studs did this to him when it is his violent nature that did it

There are many other ways he could have defended himself ... he didnt need to act like an animal ... he has no man skills ... he needs to be home trained
 
Fuck that, act like a man get beat like one...Bet them broads won't be doin' that wild cowboy shit anymore! lmao! F'ed up the homie had to violate his parole to make that point tho..smh!
 
Guess he pulled the gun and pointed it at the deceased by accident too huh?? :rolleyes: :smh:

Had this been a bw you guys wouldnt be so quick to dismiss the violent history :smh::smh:

All you are doing is c/s more irresponsibility from bm :smh::smh::smh: always blame it on someone else ... never own up to your own shit ... its always someone elses fault when you guys fuck up ... talkin bout the system and the studs did this to him when it is his violent nature that did it

There are many other ways he could have defended himself ... he didnt need to act like an animal ... he has no man skills ... he needs to be home trained

yup becuz he is such an uncontrollable violent animal, he walked away from the conflict after getting shouted down and slapped.
 
so what should he have done then?
he was doing his job, they got upset because he wanted to check their $50 bill...
that's his job.
she called him names both of them, which is absolutely fine doesn't warrant anything, he's in customer service, it happens. still have to check the money.
she then smacks him in the face....at his place of employment.
he goes AWAY
that is they key
HE GOES AWAY. he doesn't want to fight, he doesn't think he's big and bad
he doesn't think he's tough
he doesn't think he's the man
he doesn't want ANY PART OF THIS.
those two...
in his place of employment
GO INTO A RESTRICTED AREA
to pursue the altercation.
if an employee cannot defend himself in a restricted area then what should have been done?
The lady is screaming to stop it but she was notably silent when they were cussing him out
and she was also mute when they slapped him in the face
and quiet when they pursued him behind the counter
but as soon as they get his she wants it to stop
why didn't she...since she is so concerned and an adult and a woman didn't tell them to stop
why didn't any of the other employees stop the two women?
why didn't any stop them from smacking him?
he went overboard in hind sight with the multiple hits when they were down
HOWEVER two assailants came into a restricted area to pursue and conflict and he dealt with them
you don't get excused because you're a woman.
you can't have it both ways.
he should have defended himself and then called the police on both of them.
in that situation i don't know if i would have gotten a rod, but i wouldn't let two women slice me, hit me, chase me at my workplace and just go away.
i wouldn't kill but as a man and as a human being you have the right to get yourself out of harms way.
none of this happens if they don't get mad because he wanted to check the money
none of this happens if they dont smack him in the face
and def none of this happens if they don't go into a restricted area...

if they smacked him and he came out from behind the counter and started to beat them, he'd be dead wrong.

if he went back there and called the cops on them, he'd be dead right

none of that happened though we can only go by what was shown.

and i saw two assailants attacking an employee at their respective workplace in a restricted area

Damn good point about dat yellin bitch,did not hear a peep outta her ass,he should've gave her a lil tuneup
 
I think he went too far with the 2nd round of hits but that's what the hell they get for coming over the counter. Punks step up to get beat down.

had to make sure they ass aint get up :lol:

They did it themselves!

When you get into a street fight;all bets are off!

Every man is for himself;they had no business coming behind the counter!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Dont dey know dey was fuckin wit a paroled ass killa?!?!? U neva know who u fuckin wit!!

"I aint a killa but dont push me"

Nicca went to town on dem bitches... If you gonna do it.... Do it right or dont do it at all:lol::yes:

Fuck her.

You want to Act like a man, you get handled like one.

Lucky her ass aint dead..

In other words, they fucked with the wrong person. :smh:

And fuck him, he should still be jail.. hopefully he gets sent back for another 10-20 years


Police have charged the cashier, identified as Rayon McIntosh, 31, with felony assault, along with criminal possession of a weapon. Both women were charged with menacing, trespass and disorderly conduct. McIntosh is being held at the Manhattan Detention Complex on $40,000 bail, according to the Department of Correction website.

Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20111014/gre...-video-beating-unruly-customers#ixzz1ao3qhGo6


So you cant even defend yourself in ny.

:smh::smh:
He did the right thing but he went to far. Now he in jail, don't you know that only the cops can whip your ass like and get away with it!! Bro man handed their ass to them SMH but they will talk about that day forever!:lol:
 
Guess he pulled the gun and pointed it at the deceased by accident too huh?? :rolleyes: :smh:

Had this been a bw you guys wouldnt be so quick to dismiss the violent history :smh::smh:

All you are doing is c/s more irresponsibility from bm :smh::smh::smh: always blame it on someone else ... never own up to your own shit ... its always someone elses fault when you guys fuck up ... talkin bout the system and the studs did this to him when it is his violent nature that did it

There are many other ways he could have defended himself ... he didnt need to act like an animal ... he has no man skills ... he needs to be home trained

What about those two females -one of them slapped dude- who jumped the counter and persuded dude. Don't they need home training? Arent they acting like animales? Don't they have no skills?

Just saying....They don't put hands on dude AND jump the counter, AND FOLLOW DUDE they don't get beat down.... Who are the real savages here?


*two cents*
 
No they would not

well they would laugh and giggle and do their c/s's and shit but they wouldnt be as happy and hype about it as they are right now

These guys are acting almost vindicated like this guy proved some point on their behalf

They love this shit cuz
1. its a woman being "put in her place" by a man
2. its a black woman being "put in her place by a black man"
3. its a black woman who is a lesbian but not the kind that would ever give them any play ... these guys hate studs



Exactly this is it in a nutshell

and I'm LOLing at dudes hoping he will get off rotfl He is not getting off

he's going right back to where he came from...JAIL


Why do you come to this board if you disagree with the view points of it's members so animatedly? Are you some sort of Glutton? I've always found that confusing about you. You seem to hate being on here. Speaking for myself I didn't enjoy the video. If anything it made me sad that I have to share the same air as these foolish animals. Yes he is going to jail but not before sending out a life lesson to the world.
 
Def self defense. He had to control the situation and stop his attackers from attacking.

Why is it that police (and this society at large) expect civilians to display amazing, well thought out restraint when put in these situations where they're threatened, yet police (who are supposed to be TRAINED to be in these situations) are given every bit of understanding????



These cops faced NO charges.
 
this is whats wrong in this country - women don't know shit about the real world or human nature, but media and pop culture coddles these bitches and leads them to believe the world is one way, that humans are mostly reasonable, society really thrives and survives off of love good wishes and mutual respect, and all the "bad" things are aberrations or elements that can be corrected. violence built the society you exist in, and greed refined it... Pontificating on this man going too far when you have never been in a truly life threatening situation or had a real toe to toe fight since high school or earlier, means you don't know what you speak of, so shut the fuck up and pray that you will continue to be blessed/ lucky enough to never find out how far you can go.

The normal person cannot turn off fight or flight reaction- you don't stop until you believe that you are out of imminent danger - to my knowledge only psych/sociopaths can turn violence on and off. That man was scared, if he wasn't he wouldn't have been saying "stay down" -instead he would have been talking shit - his fear was justified, on the street if someone gets as aggressive as that chick does, they almost always think they have an ace, they're rolling deep, or got a gun, etc... they believe in an advantage that will allow them to punk you without personal repercussion. IMO he showed restraint at the counter and while beating the girls, if he had snapped, they would have more severe injuries or be dead -if you doubt this, research the injuries of victims where the assailant claims rage /snapping / blacking out....

Unfortunately he is a parolee, and he is black, so he will do time, his parole is violated, but with a good lawyer, the felonies charges will at least be pleaded down.

Not her chief, notice no 29. Even still you don't know what they have or have not been through.

You seriously think this man was scared of two females?

Don't every man think they can whoop two dudes at once if they had to? I know I do, even if it isn't true.

Again I ask, you think this dude was scared of a couple of females?



and if he went and got the rod and came over the counter after them it would be an open and shut case
but because they went into the restricted area to pursue the conflict you can't say what he would have done had they not went back there...
it shows them going to pursue it those are the facts

Yes those are the facts.

I addressed your assumption that he was walking away from the situation when it looked like in the video that he went to the back to get the rod. Even with them going to the back if he truly wanted nothing to do with them he could have avoided them.

He was coming at them in an aggressive way with that rod once they got back there, they had no time to react, not even in a oh shit I have fucked up let me retreat kind of way.
 
all this because he was doing his job by scanning a $50. Why would you get upset motherfuckers do that all over the place.
 
So a man gets charged with agg. assault for defending himself while getting attacked at work, while the NYPD gets a free pass to whoop the shit out of peaceful protesters :smh::smh::smh::smh:
 
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I addressed your assumption that he was walking away from the situation when it looked like in the video that he went to the back to get the rod. Even with them going to the back if he truly wanted nothing to do with them he could have avoided them.

He was coming at them in an aggressive way with that rod once they got back there, they had no time to react, not even in a oh shit I have fucked up let me retreat kind of way.

Those are the key words. Clearly they were the aggressors. If his coworkers stop her from following him to the back or she turns around to leave, this doesn't happen. They were DETERMINED to fight, he defended himself
 
Even with them going to the back if he truly wanted nothing to do with them he could have avoided them.

He was coming at them in an aggressive way with that rod once they got back there, they had no time to react, not even in a oh shit I have fucked up let me retreat kind of way.

Dude you don't hesitate in situations like this which is why he approached them in an aggressive manner. If someone slaps you and barges in your house are you gonna stand there and wait for that person to make the next move or are you going to strike right away so that he doesn't have the opportunity to do the same to you? No offense but a lot of you guys sound like victims on here.
 
Guess he pulled the gun and pointed it at the deceased by accident too huh?? :rolleyes: :smh:

when using a gun, often times the gun is pointed in a direction you do not intend to shoot in and you discharge it. his friend was not the intended victim. he discharged the weapon as he was withdrawing it from his waist, again, this is why he had a hung jury during his first trial.

stop being emotional. this guy didnt do what was best, he flipped out, but he was provoked, attacked, and followed.

this isnt his fault.
 
that the divide on this argument runs damn near clean down the gender line speaks volumes. as does the steez of the most vocal opponents of dudes Bo technique.
 
Yes those are the facts.

I addressed your assumption that he was walking away from the situation when it looked like in the video that he went to the back to get the rod. Even with them going to the back if he truly wanted nothing to do with them he could have avoided them.

He was coming at them in an aggressive way with that rod once they got back there, they had no time to react, not even in a oh shit I have fucked up let me retreat kind of way.


it may have looked like he went there to get the rod, in others opinions he went to avoid the incident.
and how could he have avoided them may i ask? since he was in his restricted area where customers shouldn't be allowed, was he to run around while they pursued him and chased him down? clearly by their actions you can say they were after the guy, they sought him out to get him did they not?

right
and that's the point. because THEY went back there like they were big and bad they got dealt with.
if they had simply stayed in their area and he came out there with the rod and beat them, he'd be dead wrong and open and shut case in my opinion. cause a smack doesn't warrant you to go get the weapon come back and attack
but they didn't even give him time to make that mistake
they made all the mistakes first
which makes what he did a reation and not just an action.
he reacted to the smack
and he reacted to them being in the back

they acted and smacked him
they acted and pursued him.

they fucked up big time, to me he fucked up after they were down and not just calling the police on them.
but the initial hitting of two people coming at you...male or female... at your place of work...after already proving they want to attack you (smacked him the face) is justified
 
Those aren't even mutually exclusive actions.

Retreating to get the rob in case that crazy bitch kept charging is a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

his argument was he was getting the rod to go back and beat them up.
my statement was even if he was going to get the rod to go beat them up they didn't even give him the opportunity to make the mistake.
they didn't give him the opportunity to look like the aggressor they were the aggressors and thus it was justified
 
Not her chief, notice no 29. Even still you don't know what they have or have not been through.

You seriously think this man was scared of two females?

Don't every man think they can whoop two dudes at once if they had to? I know I do, even if it isn't true.

Again I ask, you think this dude was scared of a couple of females?





Yes those are the facts.

I addressed your assumption that he was walking away from the situation when it looked like in the video that he went to the back to get the rod. Even with them going to the back if he truly wanted nothing to do with them he could have avoided them.

He was coming at them in an aggressive way with that rod once they got back there, they had no time to react, not even in a oh shit I have fucked up let me retreat kind of way.
yes I do... this is not in the world you know, on the streets you take nothing for granted, the sucker in front of you could be setting you up for 15 waiting in the lobby.

on the corner in NYC where this McDs is located, (across the street from the Blue Note, down the block from live bands in bars and lounges around the corner from sex shops and tattoo parlors) anything can and does pop off 24/7. If you work there, you have to be on game at all times. Many dangerous folk come in and out of those doors. Bull dykes when hanging in the west village are dangerous, they strive to appear as masculine as possible -always out to prove something, so they frequently over react to guys looking at their dates, and pick fights with guys that appear to be squares/ punks, almost all of them carry box cutters and razors. Add to that, you have no clue what they are smoking with their weed...

After 10 yrs in prison Mr. McIntosh has had a very through education on self preservation, and he like most dudes with any street smarts knows when to be careful and scared:

-female reacts irrationally to a currency scan (ok -she is crazy)
-female is aggressive enough to strike without provocation or threat (what is she carrying, who is she with and where are they?)
-2 females chase you into the kitchen (oh shit...)
 
Wow. You never know who youre messing with. Its best to keep your hands to yourself and avoid confrontation if possible. Those chicks will never be the same. I think the MC employee went too far. After a few licks they were rendered useless. There will be lawsuits out the ass. There are felons who are good people looking for jobs and will be turned away due to his behavior. Sad situation all around.
 
his argument was he was getting the rod to go back and beat them up.
my statement was even if he was going to get the rod to go beat them up they didn't even give him the opportunity to make the mistake.
they didn't give him the opportunity to look like the aggressor they were the aggressors and thus it was justified

Yea, I know, I'm agreeing with you.

He's hung up on the fact that he retreated and armed himself. That was the prudent thing to do when someone is advancing on you like that, for all he knew that crazy bitch could've had a blade.
 
Wow. You never know who youre messing with. Its best to keep your hands to yourself and avoid confrontation if possible. Those chicks will never be the same. I think the MC employee went too far. After a few licks they were rendered useless. There will be lawsuits out the ass. There are felons who are good people looking for jobs and will be turned away due to his behavior. Sad situation all around.

How do you know this? You could see through the counter?
 
Or i could be saying, give her the chair. Immediately. Like i do with all murderers of innocent people. Your child molesting self really should be the last 1 to talk in a thread like this.

This has got to be one of the stupidest things I've seen posted on this forum to date.

If someone comes at me with the intent to do me harm you best rest assured that I'll defend myself by any means necessary.

What use is it standing there meekly waiting to be slaughtered when we all know that your assailant will probably get off in the long run while you're all laid up in a pine box.
 
Yea, I know, I'm agreeing with you.

He's hung up on the fact that he retreated and armed himself. That was the prudent thing to do when someone is advancing on you like that, for all he knew that crazy bitch could've had a blade.

we never will know cause they fucked up.
if he got the rod and them threatened them then didn't touch them it would have been ok imo
if he had gotten the rod and then went back and beat them he'd be wrong imo
 
:lol::lol: That brotha was tenderizing them bitches :lol::lol: turned their asses into "2 all butch patties" :lol::lol: From now on, everytime them bitches see a Mcdonalds they'll cross the fuckin street to get away :yes::yes:

:roflmao2::roflmao2::dance2::roflmao2::roflmao2:

Definitely self defense.
Those bulldaggers deserved what they got.
This is a case of fucking with the wrong mother fucker!
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No they would not

well they would laugh and giggle and do their c/s's and shit but they wouldnt be as happy and hype about it as they are right now

These guys are acting almost vindicated like this guy proved some point on their behalf

They love this shit cuz
1. its a woman being "put in her place" by a man
2. its a black woman being "put in her place by a black man"
3. its a black woman who is a lesbian but not the kind that would ever give them any play ... these guys hate studs

Feminism and emotion over logic..


You seriously gonna inject your man hating bullshit into everything? I don't give a fuck who it was jumping over that counter, they should have gotten dealt with. :smh:
 
bad week for dykes...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

yeah, dude went overboard, but fuck it. they tried to roll on him, and found out he ain't the one.:dance:

the funniest part about that second enhanced video, is when those dykes went stomping down the aisle, and before they get to the corner.. a split second right before you actually see it, you hear that "WHACK" of dude bouncing that rod off of one of them. Then next thing you know, he's in the frame wailing on the bitches like he's Ike Turner, Chris Brown, and Barry Bonds all rolled into one. :smh::lol::lol::lol::lol::smh:

I still cannot figure out why a person would EVER want to trouble someone they know NOTHING about. None of use know what the next man or woman has been through.. you never fuck with someone like that. Stay in your lane and mind your own business. We simply do not respect our fellow man/woman anymore. The shit is sad.
 
It was self-defense but the danger ended - Im pretty sure that's what the DA would say. However, I would try to argue - late night, neighborhood, aggressive attitude, already slapped me for no reason and then hopped over the counter, no one was there to help me - I beat them down and told them to stay down - they kept reaching inside pants/jacket (since the camera doesn't show shit). I had to fight two of them....(worth a shot)
 
Dude would've been straight if he had stopped when they fell. The fact that he kept going is what's going to get him locked up again.
 
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