Mayweather vs Mosley - Predictions, Comments?

[merce77]

So fellas, tomorrow is the fight. I see it like this. Mosley's too old, this fight would have been really raw 10 years ago. I would've had Mosley walking out of the ring with his belt, but he's 38 and regardless of how good he looked against Plasterito, and even though he's still almost as fast as he once was, his timing is still that of a 38 year old. I have Floyd winning a close, split decision victory since one judge will probably favor Shane as the aggressor.

Now, I must say that by no means will this fight be the wipeout everybody is predicting. Floyd is damm near 34 years old himself. And regardless of how good he may have looked against the severely undersized Marquez, I've never seen anyone land as many straight rights on Floyd as Marquez did, I just finished watching that fight and was amazed that Marquez was able to land one right hand on him as slow and small as he is, let alone the 8 or 9 good right hands he landed on the side of Floyd's dome. I also caught Floyd, amazingly, reaching with 3 or 4 of his shots, the type f reaching that a fast experience boxer can exploit. People trying to use that fight as a measure to how this fight is going to go - are dead wrong. Floyd exploited his size and speed advantage, advantages that he really doesn't have in this fight. He may be slightly faster than Shane at this point, but it's negligible. Floyd doesn't change his style of fighting per opponent which makes him slightly predictable. He'll give away 3 of the first 4 rounds and then whup u the rest of the way. He can't afford to give away rounds in this fight. I see it this way, if Floyd opens up early with his offense, it's because Shane's style, power, or plan is bothering him and it's a bad sign. If he's doing his usual thing, my prediction is a good, exciting fight until the 8th when Floyd turns it up a notch and pulls away from Mosley. Mayweather Jr. by split decision. Because if he loses, the main reason the average person pays to see him fight will go out the window, and Money ain't havin that shit.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You know I got the same result.

If someone uses the Marquez fight as some sort of template for this one, my ears would just shut off and they would be dismissed to the Roger Mayweather "People Don't Know Shit About Boxing" category.

 

[merce77]

You know I got the same result.

If someone uses the Marquez fight as some sort of template for this one, my ears would just shut off and they would be dismissed to the Roger Mayweather "People Don't Know Shit About Boxing" category.

I've been watching Mosley and Mayweather fights all day on youtube and you wouldn't believe some of the shit I've been reading.

 

[GodBody]

Where we gonna watch this guys ?

 

[merce77]

Where we gonna watch this guys ?

The most reliable source for boxing streams on the internet God....

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/36456-May-2-9pm-EST-Floyd-Mayweather-Shane-Mosley

 

[Alaskanredman]

You know I got the same result.

If someone uses the Marquez fight as some sort of template for this one, my ears would just shut off and they would be dismissed to the Roger Mayweather "People Don't Know Shit About Boxing" category.

There is no way Shane is going to get done dirty like Marquez, but Shane will have more trouble than people think. Especially if they think Shane's performance against Margarito is a gauge for what could happen in this fight. I see it as 115-113 for Floyd with a lot of close rounds just being given to Shane.

 

[Zeferino]

If Mayweather can be as good as he was against bums like Baldomir and Gatti, then he should win. The fact that his fight with Hatton was about even through six rounds raises doubt.

I like Mosley by knockout or a decision with Mayweather tasting the canvas at least once. The last time Mayweather fought someone his own size with decent skills he barely won with a split decision. Judah like Mosley has speed similar to Mayweather and was able to give Mayweather problems and even drop him albeit from the southpaw stance.

On second thought, if Cotto was able to make Mosley miss then Mayweather should also. I guess Mayweather should win by decision but I wouldn't be shocked at all if Mosley knocked Mayweather out.

 

[merce77]

If Mayweather can be as good as he was against bums like Baldomir and Gatti, then he should win. The fact that his fight with Hatton was about even through six rounds raises doubt.

I like Mosley by knockout or a decision with Mayweather tasting the canvas at least once. The last time Mayweather fought someone his own size with decent skills he barely won with a split decision. Judah like Mosley has speed similar to Mayweather and was able to give Mayweather problems and even drop him albeit from the southpaw stance.

On second thought, if Cotto was able to make Mosley miss then Mayweather should also. I guess Mayweather should win by decision but I wouldn't be shocked at all if Mosley knocked Mayweather out.

I've been saying the same thing for some time, I wouldn't be shocked at all if Mosley ko'd Floyd, well a lil shocked maybe. But it did happen to Roy at the same relative stage in their careers.
You raise some other good points. My dad and I always say that if Cortez hadn't been on some bullshit letting Mayweather get away with anything, and let Hatton fight his type of fight as well, it would've been an even tougher fight for Floyd, no disputing the KO though. I also say that the Shane who lost to Cotto was a different fighter, a stale fighter, Shane today would possibly stop Cotto. And people also discredit how good a fighter Cotto was before that Luis Resto-like beating at the hands of Margarito. Dude was top 5 p4p at the time, people forget that.
I still say Floyd by decision but I'm starting to doubt that Floyd will be able to evade ALL of Mosley's firepower especially after studying the Marquez fight again. And all Shane needs is for Floyd to run into a shot and Shane WILL finish him. It's funy, Emmanuel Steward said that Floyd is training for this fight like there's a real chance he might lose. I say it brings out the best in Floyd.

 

[tp2001]

Man I came out of hiding to chime in before the most anticipated fight in the past few years...I wish I could go to the fight, knowing that it will be one of the best fights in recent memory...

As far as the result, I have Shane pushing Floyd to the limit like Castillo did, but in order for him to win, he has to get Floyd to drop his guard, and in order to do that Mosley has to be active with the jab so so that Floyd is forced to respond with punches of his own. If Floyd is able to counter without catching punches flush by Mosley, then he should be able to win the fight...

...however, this is a different Mosley than in past years, and I have never, EVER seen him this focused on one fight like this. I'm looking for the "upset", although I have always said that he was/is the only fighter I know that can beat Floyd...

 

[richlove]

There are too many variables to call this one. Conventional wisdom says that if Mayweather is lighting quick against Mosely as he is against everybody else then he can avoid a big shot for 12 rds and get the nod. But is his defensive speed faster than Shane's offensive speed at the age of 33..to the point where he can avoid a deadly combo for a whole fight. Mayweather has let just about everybody at some point get him against the ropes..even Baldimir or however you spell it. If Shane gets the shots in that Judah or even Delahoya got that could take away Floyds legs by round 7. Everybody has a day to get beat if they stay long enough. I look at the Cotto-Margarito fight. Cotto was twice as fast during that fight, but the fact that he could not knock him out or stop him from coming foward was his undoing. Odds are Floyd could never k.o. Shane..so we could see Floyd go down late in the fight. I just hope Shane doesn't phone it in the way Oscar did. He is a partner in GB promotions and Freddie Roach said that Pac would not fight Mosely..so Shane stands to make more money if he loses simply because GB will have a hand in the pocket of a Pac-Mayweather fight.

 

[richlove]

Where we gonna watch this guys ?

They showing that shit at a movie theatre down here for $20 dollars and I can't fucking wait.

 

[merce77]

There are too many variables to call this one. Conventional wisdom says that if Mayweather is lighting quick against Mosely as he is against everybody else then he can avoid a big shot for 12 rds and get the nod. But is his defensive speed faster than Shane's offensive speed at the age of 33..to the point where he can avoid a deadly combo for a whole fight. Mayweather has let just about everybody at some point get him against the ropes..even Baldimir or however you spell it. If Shane gets the shots in that Judah or even Delahoya got that could take away Floyds legs by round 7. Everybody has a day to get beat if they stay long enough. I look at the Cotto-Margarito fight. Cotto was twice as fast during that fight, but the fact that he could not knock him out or stop him from coming foward was his undoing. Odds are Floyd could never k.o. Shane..so we could see Floyd go down late in the fight. I just hope Shane doesn't phone it in the way Oscar did. He is a partner in GB promotions and Freddie Roach said that Pac would not fight Mosely..so Shane stands to make more money if he loses simply because GB will have a hand in the pocket of a Pac-Mayweather fight.

Actually Roach said in an interview that they would have to take the Mosley fight if he wins simply because it would be the right thing to do. And imagine the buzz surrounding a Mosley/Pac fight if Shane does beat Floyd and not only beats him but beats him up or ko's him. That one would have fight of the year honors before the bell sounding the first round ever rang, a guaranteed action fight. Also Oscar did a pretty good job in that fight for being a shot Oscar with no legs. He's never finished fights strong and it played right into Floyd's hands. Whereas Shane takes it up another notch in those late rounds, when Floyd is at his most busy. I'll be rooting for Sugar but I still got Floyd by close decision.
One more prediction, if Floyd loses it'll be the end of his ppv attraction, the layman only pays to watch him hoping they'll see Floyd lose, since they consider him a "boring" fighter. Even though he's not. He's a business man and knows this, he'll fight his heart out on Saturday if he has to.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

If Mayweather can be as good as he was against bums like Baldomir and Gatti, then he should win. The fact that his fight with Hatton was about even through six rounds raises doubt.

That fight was not close for six rounds. It was slow paced and had a lot of grappling for a Mayweather fight but he was still connecting more and winning nearly every round. Judah won more rounds than Ricky Hatton.

I like Mosley by knockout or a decision with Mayweather tasting the canvas at least once. The last time Mayweather fought someone his own size with decent skills he barely won with a split decision. Judah like Mosley has speed similar to Mayweather and was able to give Mayweather problems and even drop him albeit from the southpaw stance.

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Who was that? Castillo? You can't mean Oscar. Oscar wasn't Floyd's size. Floyd came up to a catchweight of 150 and won DLH's super welterweight title.

I've been saying the same thing for some time, I wouldn't be shocked at all if Mosley ko'd Floyd, well a lil shocked maybe. But it did happen to Roy at the same relative stage in their careers.
You raise some other good points. My dad and I always say that if Cortez hadn't been on some bullshit letting Mayweather get away with anything, and let Hatton fight his type of fight as well, it would've been an even tougher fight for Floyd, no disputing the KO though. I also say that the Shane who lost to Cotto was a different fighter, a stale fighter, Shane today would possibly stop Cotto. And people also discredit how good a fighter Cotto was before that Luis Resto-like beating at the hands of Margarito. Dude was top 5 p4p at the time, people forget that.
I still say Floyd by decision but I'm starting to doubt that Floyd will be able to evade ALL of Mosley's firepower especially after studying the Marquez fight again. And all Shane needs is for Floyd to run into a shot and Shane WILL finish him. It's funy, Emmanuel Steward said that Floyd is training for this fight like there's a real chance he might lose. I say it brings out the best in Floyd.

Floyd got in his elbows with a guy who wanted to crowd him and rough him up. Cortez hurt Ricky by forcing him to box and not hold and mug like he likes to do.

Steward and Iole of Yahoo! are both saying the same thing. Floyd's taking this fight extremely serious and that's for a guy who trains hard for the "easy" fights.

 

[merce77]

I also meant to say that Floyd is going to taste leather at some point in the fight, Shane's to fast, too good and too experienced to hit air everytime he throws. How Floyd reacts to Shane's power will determine what kind of fight it'll be. It's not like hes been fighting guys with Shane's power his last few fights. Floyd's chin is untested by a true welter.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Actually Roach said in an interview that they would have to take the Mosley fight if he wins simply because it would be the right thing to do. And imagine the buzz surrounding a Mosley/Pac fight if Shane does beat Floyd and not only beats him but beats him up or ko's him. That one would have fight of the year honors before the bell sounding the first round ever rang, a guaranteed action fight. Also Oscar did a pretty good job in that fight for being a shot Oscar with no legs. He's never finished fights strong and it played right into Floyd's hands. Whereas Shane takes it up another notch in those late rounds, when Floyd is at his most busy. I'll be rooting for Sugar but I still got Floyd by close decision.
One more prediction, if Floyd loses it'll be the end of his ppv attraction, the layman only pays to watch him hoping they'll see Floyd lose, since they consider him a "boring" fighter. Even though he's not. He's a business man and knows this, he'll fight his heart out on Saturday if he has to.

I agree with you on Floyd's status of being the top attraction of being in danger if he loses. But there will be the rematch, which if the first fight is good, will do even bigger business.

Roach says that now but it wasn't the right thing to do last year when Shane was begging for the fight? Shane gains the world with a win: the acclaim of winning the biggest fight of his life (again and not counting his divorce) and he has two big fights potentially: the rematch and Pacquiao.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I also meant to say that Floyd is going to taste leather at some point in the fight, Shane's to fast, too good and too experienced to hit air everytime he throws. How Floyd reacts to Shane's power will determine what kind of fight it'll be. It's not like hes been fighting guys with Shane's power his last few fights. Floyd's chin is untested by a true welter.

Oscar hit him a few times but he's never had Mosley's power.

 

[merce77]

Oscar hit him a few times but he's never had Mosley's power.

Only in his left hook, he can KO a bigger dude with that left but Floyd was on guard for that shit all night long. I think Oscar's flurries looked better than they really were. I imagine we'll see Floyd hit cleanly with more force thn he's ever been, we'll see. I just see Mosley's age finally catching up with him late. But hey my Mets are in first place and just kicked the shit out of Philly so anything is possible this weekend.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Only in his left hook, he can KO a bigger dude with that left but Floyd was on guard for that shit all night long. I think Oscar's flurries looked better than they really were. I imagine we'll see Floyd hit cleanly with more force thn he's ever been, we'll see. I just see Mosley's age finally catching up with him late. But hey my Mets are in first place and just kicked the shit out of Philly so anything is possible this weekend.

The DLH flurries made me uncomfortable because they looked desperate. He had to know he wasn't hitting anything but he kept them coming.
Good luck with the Mets. This is the time of the year when the NBA is winding down where all I have is boxing, tennis, and pro wrestling. I'm not a baseball fan at all (use to interrupt my rasslin' on TBS back in the day).

 

[Mello Mello]

I think Zab landed more straight rights on Mayweather than Marquez did as he matched Mayweather in speed. Shane pretty much can match Mayweathers speed and exceed his punching power. Mayweather has defense and style over Mosely so this will be interesting. Floyd usually fights elusively but Mosely's speed may be able to catch him. Styles have been known to win fights. Floyd by decision.

 

[merce77]

I think Zab landed more straight rights on Mayweather than Marquez did as he matched Mayweather in speed. Shane pretty much can match Mayweathers speed and exceed his punching power. Mayweather has defense and style over Mosely so this will be interesting. Floyd usually fights elusively but Mosely's speed may be able to catch him. Styles have been known to win fights. Floyd by decision.

I hear you on your point with Zab but I only brought it up because Marquez was so slow and he really did land a few really good right hands or what would have been really good right hands if Shane Mosley was throwing them. Not taking anything away from JMM, he's a legend but Floyd has lost a step defensively it would seem if a short armed slow dude like Marquez can catch him cleanly with some good rights. Like someone said before, if Shane is as quick or quicker with his offense as Floyd is defensively, Floyd's in trouble, but my gut says Floyd will take this one though.

 

[merce77]

The DLH flurries made me uncomfortable because they looked desperate. He had to know he wasn't hitting anything but he kept them coming.
Good luck with the Mets. This is the time of the year when the NBA is winding down where all I have is boxing, tennis, and pro wrestling. I'm not a baseball fan at all (use to interrupt my rasslin' on TBS back in the day).

I hear you, fuck Ted Turner and the Braves!!

 

[merce77]

(Reuters) - Six-times world champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. will put his unbeaten record on the line when he faces fellow American Shane Mosley in a non-title welterweight fight on Saturday.

Some of the biggest names in boxing have been speaking about the hotly anticipated bout scheduled for 12 rounds at the MGM Grand Garden Arena:

* Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the greatest boxers ever and seven-times world champion. "I give the edge to Mayweather. How can I not based on his unblemished record? Mayweather is the man to beat and if there were any fighters that I thought had a chance to beat Floyd Mayweather, one would be Shane Mosley. An intriguing fight."

* Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez, five-times world champion who was comprehensively beaten by Mayweather in his most recent bout in September. "This fight will be a real welterweight contest. Mosley can win if he is capable of closing Floyd's exits and using his speed along with his power."

* Filipino Manny Pacquiao, who enhanced his status as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world with a commanding win over Miguel Cotto to claim the WBO welterweight title in November. "I'm for Shane Mosley... but he must do the right preparation. If he does, then he has a very good chance against Mayweather."

* Britain's undefeated world super-middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe, who retired from boxing in February 2009. "I think it's a 50-50 fight. It's the most dangerous fight Mayweather has ever had. Mosley could upset him but I think it will be close."

* Renowned trainer Angelo Dundee, who has worked with Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard and George Foreman. "Mayweather will have his toughest fight yet against Mosley, who came up the ranks and fought every tough Mexican. Mosley's stronger and more mature than anyone Mayweather has ever faced. While Mayweather is truly a one-of-a-kind fighter, I would have to give the edge to Mosley by decision."

* Trainer Freddie Roach, who has guided southpaw Pacquiao to world titles in an unprecedented seven weight divisions. "Shane's my friend and I hope he wins but he has trouble with speed and movement and likes guys to come to him so it's going to be difficult."





I like how MArquez snuck that lil "this will be a real welterweight contest" comment in there. What he really meant was "Floyd ain't fightin no lil nicca like me this time".

 

[pspmurdercmd]

Shit I want Mosley and Pacman so Mosley in the 9th lights out time

 

[Alaskanredman]

I hear you on your point with Zab but I only brought it up because Marquez was so slow and he really did land a few really good right hands or what would have been really good right hands if Shane Mosley was throwing them. Not taking anything away from JMM, he's a legend but Floyd has lost a step defensively it would seem if a short armed slow dude like Marquez can catch him cleanly with some good rights. Like someone said before, if Shane is as quick or quicker with his offense as Floyd is defensively, Floyd's in trouble, but my gut says Floyd will take this one though.

I have no idea what you guys saw in these fights. Merce I got to call bullshit... Shane was just a "stale" fighter when he looked bad against Cotto and Mayorga, but ya'll are highlighting the Marquez fight and the Judah fight as examples of Floyd losing a step or looking bad. Come on.

Marquez got schooled, but are you saying that Floyd was fucking up because he allowed himself to get hit a few times by another Hall-of-Fame fighter?

Plus niggas need to calm down about the Judah fight. The way ya'll cats talk about the first two rounds... you would think that ya'll were talking about Hagler v Hearns.

The Castillo fights are where Floyd looked weak but that was so long ago that it doesn't make sense to continue to harp on it because I haven't seen anyone else successfully pull off Castillo's game plan since then.

 

[richlove]

I just finished watching the first six rounds of the Delahoya fight with the flurrys in super slow motion. Oscar did not touch dude...the crowd and Jim Lampley were giving Oscar credit for nothing...it is scary how little he hit Floyd considering his experience and length advantage..I am not exaggerating..he did not hit Floyd clean with anything...it was so bad that the shit looks like WWE in slow motion. I don't have the Judah fight on dvd to see if he actually landed a clean shot..but looking at this shit makes me think Shane has an impossible task with only a punchers chance to pull off an upset. I do see how someone can beat Floyd though..if they have enough conditioning to throw steady combos for at least 7 or 8 rounds. The crowd and the announcers desperately want Floyd to lose so Oscar won a round simply by staying in Floyd's grill even though he wasn't landing shit Floyd seems to fall in love with his defense and is amused by the fact that he isn't being touched..in a fight where there is no damage the fighter that is more busy wins the round. For example fighting the way Pac fights could get him the nod..only problem with that is during one of Oscars flurrys Floyd threw a short hook that buckled the shit out of Oscar and it was so fast everybody including the announcers missed it..he had to put his hand on Floyds shoulder for balance..if he hit Pac with that even on a chin full of roids he would go down.

 

[merce77]

I have no idea what you guys saw in these fights. Merce I got to call bullshit... Shane was just a "stale" fighter when he looked bad against Cotto and Mayorga, but ya'll are highlighting the Marquez fight and the Judah fight as examples of Floyd losing a step or looking bad. Come on.

Marquez got schooled, but are you saying that Floyd was fucking up because he allowed himself to get hit a few times by another Hall-of-Fame fighter?

Plus niggas need to calm down about the Judah fight. The way ya'll cats talk about the first two rounds... you would think that ya'll were talking about Hagler v Hearns.

The Castillo fights are where Floyd looked weak but that was so long ago that it doesn't make sense to continue to harp on it because I haven't seen anyone else successfully pull off Castillo's game plan since then.

We only have these fights to go on, it's not like he's fought a who's who list of fighters, dude practically wasted his prime fighting garbage. Read in between my comments, what was Floyd's last fight? Marquez right? I'm judging his most recent performance when talking about tomorrow's fight, because as you say the Castillo fight was so long ago and the Oscar fight was about 3 years ago. So he "schooled" a severely uindersized and older fighter just fighting for a paycheck. So? Floyd got caught with straight rights from a slow old fighter with a pretty short reach. That's fact. Would that have happened 5 years ago? 2 years ago? Everyone is talking about Mosley's layoff - he's only fought once in 16 months, well Floyd has fought once in how many more months than Shane. Ring rust is real dude, they are BOTH gonna feel it. If MArquez can touch that nicca, what do you think Mosley is capable of. Point blank, for a nicca who had a big size, reach, and speed advantage his performance really wasn't impressive, he did what you would expect a bigger faster fighter to do. So you can say that Floyd "schooled" Marquez who went in to the fight with every disadvantage, but we're overblowing the Zab fight? The same Zab fight in which the ref missed a genuine knockdown? Zab lost that fight, it's not like May had to dig deep and shit, Zab's timer was set to implode around the time it did. I already picked the nicca to win, sorry if it offends you that I don't say anything else to make the nicca look that much greater. I'm not capable of slinging as much bullshit as Floyd

 

[merce77]

I just finished watching the first six rounds of the Delahoya fight with the flurrys in super slow motion. Oscar did not touch dude...the crowd and Jim Lampley were giving Oscar credit for nothing...it is scary how little he hit Floyd considering his experience and length advantage..I am not exaggerating..he did not hit Floyd clean with anything...it was so bad that the shit looks like WWE in slow motion. I don't have the Judah fight on dvd to see if he actually landed a clean shot..but looking at this shit makes me think Shane has an impossible task with only a punchers chance to pull off an upset.

Hoya was a shell of himself and hadn't been ranked a top fighter in YEARS. Don't be fooled, Floyd beat a big name, not a great fighter. And Zab definitely connected, watch the knockdown the ref missed, Floyd definitely got touched and Zab was beating him to the punch. I'm not buying that Shane has no chance. And Zab and Oscar aren't on Shane's level. Plus Oscar has gotten away with doing that flurry shit for years. Most of the "impressive" flurries he landed on Tito were very similar to the flurries he "landed" on Floyd. Lotsa punches with no starch behind them. It impresses judges. (see Joe Calzaghe)

 

[richlove]

Hoya was a shell of himself and hadn't been ranked a top fighter in YEARS. Don't be fooled, Floyd beat a big name, not a great fighter. And Zab definitely connected, watch the knockdown the ref missed, Floyd definitely got touched and Zab was beating him to the punch. I'm not buying that Shane has no chance. And Zab and Oscar aren't on Shane's level. Plus Oscar has gotten away with doing that flurry shit for years. Most of the "impressive" flurries he landed on Tito were very similar to the flurries he "landed" on Floyd. Lotsa punches with no starch behind them. It impresses judges. (see Joe Calzaghe)

I was thinking Shane was going to K.O. Floyd for a while now...the same way Roy got dealt with. But a lot of people forget that Roy beat Tarver in a decision that a lot of people thought Tarver won just because he connected or seemed to connect more than anyone previously. It all depends on whether or not Shane gets old in one night, or is this the night Floyd is just a second slower the be hit with that shot that changes the fight.

 

[merce77]

I was thinking Shane was going to K.O. Floyd for a while now...the same way Roy got dealt with. But a lot of people forget that Roy beat Tarver in a decision that a lot of people thought Tarver won just because he connected or seemed to connect more than anyone previously. It all depends on whether or not Shane gets old in one night, or is this the night Floyd is just a second slower the be hit with that shot that changes the fight.

That's basically what I've been saying with my long winded rants.I'm betting on the former.

 

[Alaskanredman]

We only have these fights to go on, it's not like he's fought a who's who list of fighters, dude practically wasted his prime fighting garbage. Read in between my comments, what was Floyd's last fight? Marquez right? I'm judging his most recent performance when talking about tomorrow's fight, because as you say the Castillo fight was so long ago and the Oscar fight was about 3 years ago. So he "s'chooled" a severely uindersized and older fighter just fighting for a paycheck. So? Floyd got caught with straight rights from a slow old fighter with a pretty short reach. That's fact. Would that have happened 5 years ago? 2 years ago? Everyone is talking about Mosley's layoff - he's only fought once in 16 months, well Floyd has fought once in how many more months than Shane. Ring rust is real dude, they are BOTH gonna feel it. If MArquez can touch that nicca, what do you think Mosley is capable of. Point blank, for a nicca who had a big size, reach, and speed advantage his performance really wasn't impressive, he did what you would expect a bigger faster fighter to do. So you can say that Floyd "schooled" Marquez who went in to the fight with every disadvantage, but we're overblowing the Zab fight? The same Zab fight in which the ref missed a genuine knockdown? Zab lost that fight, it's not like May had to dig deep and shit, Zab's timer was set to implode around the time it did. I already picked the nicca to win, sorry if it offends you that I don't say anything else to make the nicca look that much greater. I'm not capable of slinging as much bullshit as Floyd

Merce, all I'm saying is you seem to be pick apart Floyd's fights apart was a scapel and letting Shane slide on shit. Marquez landed punches with all of his disadvantages because he is a great fighter. Marquez also played wack-a-mole with Pacman's dome and Pacman was/is the faster/stronger boxer. Yet, it seems like your conclusion is that Floyd is slipping because he wasn't untouchable in a fight were he won every round. Whether Zab imploded and loss the fight for himself or not... We will never know what could of happened, but we do know that by round 3 the fight completely turned from competitive to a complete mismatch and in that fight we had Floyd fighting a bigger, faster and stronger fighter. The problem with Zab is that conditioning turned to shit which is his own fault and his chin is terrible.

But you are not holding to the same standard for both fighters. IMO Shane had every advantage against Mayorga , but Shane was not only getting touched but I had the fight 6-5 Mayorga going into the 12th round. Also Shane was out boxed by Cotto, who is a slower fighter and is nowhere near the skill level of Floyd. So if we are going to compare what the little that Marquez did as a recipe for Shane to win... why don't we also give the same credit to the Cotto fight? I know your saying Shane was stale and that Nasim has transformed him, but much of that is based on one performance against a slow fighter with "magic" power. Once the power was gone, Shane beat up a guy he should have beaten regardless of Nasim's training.

I'm not trying to defend Floyd cause I want Floyd to win or because I'm on the nigga's nut... I'm just looking at the facts and we have to keep it real about both fighters. By the way, I'm not saying it is impossible for Shane to win. I think the speed could still be there and Shane has a clear power advantage, but his performances recently show that Shane isn't what he used to be. I give Shane credit for the tougher comp, but it is what it is.

 

[merce77]

Merce, all I'm saying is you seem to be pick apart Floyd's fights apart was a scapel and letting Shane slide on shit. Marquez landed punches with all of his disadvantages because he is a great fighter. Marquez also played wack-a-mole with Pacman's dome and Pacman was/is the faster/stronger boxer. Yet, it seems like your conclusion is that Floyd is slipping because he wasn't untouchable in a fight were he won every round. Whether Zab imploded and loss the fight for himself or not... We will never know what could of happened, but we do know that by round 3 the fight completely turned from competitive to a complete mismatch and in that fight we had Floyd fighting a bigger, faster and stronger fighter. The problem with Zab is that conditioning turned to shit which is his own fault and his chin is terrible.

But you are not holding to the same standard for both fighters. IMO Shane had every advantage against Mayorga , but Shane was not only getting touched but I had the fight 6-5 Mayorga going into the 12th round. Also Shane was out boxed by Cotto, who is a slower fighter and is nowhere near the skill level of Floyd. So if we are going to compare what the little that Marquez did as a recipe for Shane to win... why don't we also give the same credit to the Cotto fight? I know your saying Shane was stale and that Nasim has transformed him, but much of that is based on one performance against a slow fighter with "magic" power. Once the power was gone, Shane beat up a guy he should have beaten regardless of Nasim's training.

I'm not trying to defend Floyd cause I want Floyd to win or because I'm on the nigga's nut... I'm just looking at the facts and we have to keep it real about both fighters. By the way, I'm not saying it is impossible for Shane to win. I think the speed could still be there and Shane has a clear power advantage, but his performances recently show that Shane isn't what he used to be. I give Shane credit for the tougher comp, but it is what it is.

Alaskan, believe me, I agree with your assesment of Shane, trust. My comments stem from the fact that, there is more pressure on Floyd to win and look spectacular doing it. We all know Shane is old and he's fighting an uphill battle, we know those weaknesses and everyone has been focused on them while no one has mentioned any chinks in Floyd's armor. I was basically looking for a glimmer of hope for Shane since I think Floyd is going to beat him. I only see Shane winning by KO or fucked up decision, so I was trying to look for dents in Floyd's armor, there aren't many - hence my comments. It's just that I was taught that the shoulder roll and head off center and back is supposed to defend, most strongly, against the right hand. It seemed to me that Floyd was trying to fight the most effecient and defensively minded fight he ever fought - against a guy who had no chance of beating him even if Floyd had stayed shoulder to shoulder all fight. It surprised me that Marquez was able to land those straight rights - the same punch the Shane used to destroy Margarito.

Now I must say that niccas are discrediting that Margarito fight because I remember that not one nicca on this board was screaming that Shane would win let alone destroy him. Everyone thought he was going to get killed. It wasn't 'till after the fact that everyone was screaming that MArgarito wasn't all that and was a bum.

 

[Zeferino]

Alaskan, believe me, I agree with your assesment of Shane, trust. My comments stem from the fact that, there is more pressure on Floyd to win and look spectacular doing it. We all know Shane is old and he's fighting an uphill battle, we know those weaknesses and everyone has been focused on them while no one has mentioned any chinks in Floyd's armor. I was basically looking for a glimmer of hope for Shane since I think Floyd is going to beat him. I only see Shane winning by KO or fucked up decision, so I was trying to look for dents in Floyd's armor, there aren't many - hence my comments. It's just that I was taught that the shoulder roll and head off center and back is supposed to defend, most strongly, against the right hand. It seemed to me that Floyd was trying to fight the most effecient and defensively minded fight he ever fought - against a guy who had no chance of beating him even if Floyd had stayed shoulder to shoulder all fight. It surprised me that Marquez was able to land those straight rights - the same punch the Shane used to destroy Margarito.

Now I must say that niccas are discrediting that Margarito fight because I remember that not one nicca on this board was screaming that Shane would win let alone destroy him. Everyone thought he was going to get killed. It wasn't 'till after the fact that everyone was screaming that MArgarito wasn't all that and was a bum.

Trust me, if Mosley had been fighting Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez in the past three years, he would look as if there wasn't a chink in his armor too. Mosley probably would have knocked Marquez completely out and imagine if he would have followed that with what he did to Margarito. In other words, it's all about who you fight. Sure Mosley has looked shitty at times but he's been fighting guys physically and technically more challenging on a consistent basis. Under those circumstances, you are bound to lose eventually.

That, for me, is the reason why it's hard to pick a winner in this fight. I just don't know if Mayweather is really as good as he has looked because for almost 10 years now he has been in these fights where he is supposed to look good. Yeah, I know he fought Corrales and Castillos wayyyyyy back in 2001 and 2002 but it's 2010 now and after fighting those guys he hasn't faced the best opposition, cleaned out a division, or even faced top 5 contenders at any weight since moving up from 135. He claimed titles by fighting the worst guy in each division and has barely made defenses of any of these titles. The guy hasn't been much of a champion at all and realistically should not even be ranked at welterweight.

It's an amazing testament to the hype machine that this guys is on a pound for pound list. Sure Roy Jones would fight bums once in a while, but at least he was fighting almost every guy in the top ten of his division, unifying titles and stepping up every once in a while.

Maybe Mayweather is as good as he seems. He does hit the pads nicely on 24/7 and people love to make gifs of him doing padwork as if this somehow suggests any real skill inside of a ring.

Mayweather has shown several "chinks" that suggest he might not be as good as the hype. I don't like the split decision win over De La Hoya, I don't like the fact that Hatton fought evenly with him for the first half of the fight, and when he faced a guy with similar physical qualities in Judah, he got timed over and over again and dropped. He was just lucky that Judah, as Mayweather had said before the fight, is a frontrunner and at some point of a match always stops fighting for some reason whether it be against Mayweather or Roque Cassiani or Baldomir.

Because of all of this, I wouldn't be surprised if Mayweather was just a big smokescreen talent the whole time and Mosley decapitates him. I Mayweather wins convincingly, I guess he was good the whole time but just usually likes to feast on bums and old guys.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Alaskan, believe me, I agree with your assesment of Shane, trust. My comments stem from the fact that, there is more pressure on Floyd to win and look spectacular doing it. We all know Shane is old and he's fighting an uphill battle, we know those weaknesses and everyone has been focused on them while no one has mentioned any chinks in Floyd's armor. I was basically looking for a glimmer of hope for Shane since I think Floyd is going to beat him. I only see Shane winning by KO or fucked up decision, so I was trying to look for dents in Floyd's armor, there aren't many - hence my comments. It's just that I was taught that the shoulder roll and head off center and back is supposed to defend, most strongly, against the right hand. It seemed to me that Floyd was trying to fight the most effecient and defensively minded fight he ever fought - against a guy who had no chance of beating him even if Floyd had stayed shoulder to shoulder all fight. It surprised me that Marquez was able to land those straight rights - the same punch the Shane used to destroy Margarito.

Now I must say that niccas are discrediting that Margarito fight because I remember that not one nicca on this board was screaming that Shane would win let alone destroy him. Everyone thought he was going to get killed. It wasn't 'till after the fact that everyone was screaming that MArgarito wasn't all that and was a bum.

I feel you... Okay, I thought you were going overboard but I feel where you are coming from. I've been calling Margarito a bum forever, but I don't remember if I was talking about this boxing shit on BGOL though. anyways it'll be a good fight and I will be glad for who ever wins because I am a fan of both guys.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I just want Shane to win so he can fight Manny. PBF beating Shane at this stage seems pointless unless Shane can do the unbelievable and look great.

 

[Alaskanredman]

OMG... that shit was bad for Shane.