Mayweather retires!

[merce77]

I posted this comment in my boxing thread, but I figured this subject merited it's own thread, so I'll quote myself...

"Bitch-made. That's all I have to say. Wait, I'm gonna leave ya'll with a comment. All I hear from alot of brothers is hate towards Oscar. If we all stop and look at Floyd's list of opponents we can clearly see that Oscar would've beaten ANY opponent Floyd ever fought, and he's still at 35 willing to fight all the dudes Floyd won't, what does that say about Floyd? I used to be a huge fan as a youngin', posters on the wall and the whole nine yards but I've lost respect for this man totally as a champ. And if he wants to retire "undefeated"(he plainly lost that first fight to Castillo) then he should stay away from Cotto. I told ya'll cats he was gonna retire before he ever had to fight Cotto. Happy retirement Pretty Boy Fraud."

 

[Big Lawdog]

I told one of my homeboys that I didn't think that Floyd could beat Oscar again, especially with Floyd Sr. training him. I can respect the fact that he's retiring on his own terms as opposed to the sport forcing him to retire.

However, I think he ran...plain and simple. He definitely didn't want to see Oscar for the second time or Miguel Cotto.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

There was probably no real interest in a rematch with Oscar or no big-money fights out there. Cotto is the logical choice from a boxing standpoint, but he is a boring dude. Let's face it, personalities sell fights now.

 

[merce77]

There was probably no real interest in a rematch with Oscar or no big-money fights out there. Cotto is the logical choice from a boxing standpoint, but he is a boring dude. Let's face it, personalities sell fights now.

Cotto isn't boring from the standpoint of boxing, I'd rather watch him be silent and go out there and destroy a dude than watch Mayweather talk his ass off and then go out and do just enough to win. Anyway, Oscar fought the wrong fight and still gave Floyd all he could handle, with Floyd Sr. around THIS fight was going to be very different. I agree that at least he went out like he wanted to but his unbeaten record means nothing, because like I said, name me any dude that Floyd fought, and Oscar OR Cotto would've beaten them. I could never after this, call Mayweather a great champ. Great skills and speed, but he was a do-just-enough-to-win type of dude.

 

[tp2001]

I agree that at least he went out like he wanted to but his unbeaten record means nothing

Hold on there, playa...That's like saying he's not eligible to be a hall-of-famer.

I can't bring myself to believe that you wouldn't give Floyd Jr. credit. This (in my current view) looks like the wins against Castillo (twice), Jesus Chavez, Corrales, Gatti, Oscar, and Hatton are irrelevant to you.

You can't dispute that he was the best fighter pound-for-pound in the world by many boxing observers. Doing just enough to win? He had a 64% KO percentage, much higher than Winky and Sweet Pea (recent HOFer) and fought some of the best within his division, unlike RJJ who supposedly is a sure fire HOFer himself.

And this "running" thing is very dicey in the boxing business...Can you say that Roy ran from the Hopkins rematch? How about Tito giving Oscar another shot at him between 2000 and 2002 instead of taking the Hopkins fight? What about Tarver giving the Road Warrior the third match that they were looking to go for right after AT won?

I doubt that Floyd would duck Cotto. His style would frustrate Miguel, plus to this day he is underrated in the way that Floyd takes a punch. Many people thought that Oscar would use that 154 pound limit to smother and try to overpower Floyd to wear him down in the late rounds. That didn't work. Chances are that Cotto would fade a bit just like he did in the last fight...

 

[Lardtino]

Mayweather is doing the right thing he already wooped that Beaner Dela Whats his name. He retires on top.And Mayweather dad is a disgrace race trader training that wetback spic..

 

[merce77]

Hold on there, playa...That's like saying he's not eligible to be a hall-of-famer.

I can't bring myself to believe that you wouldn't give Floyd Jr. credit. This (in my current view) looks like the wins against Castillo (twice), Jesus Chavez, Corrales, Gatti, Oscar, and Hatton are irrelevant to you.

You can't dispute that he was the best fighter pound-for-pound in the world by many boxing observers. Doing just enough to win? He had a 64% KO percentage, much higher than Winky and Sweet Pea (recent HOFer) and fought some of the best within his division, unlike RJJ who supposedly is a sure fire HOFer himself.

And this "running" thing is very dicey in the boxing business...Can you say that Roy ran from the Hopkins rematch? How about Tito giving Oscar another shot at him between 2000 and 2002 instead of taking the Hopkins fight? What about Tarver giving the Road Warrior the third match that they were looking to go for right after AT won?

I doubt that Floyd would duck Cotto. His style would frustrate Miguel, plus to this day he is underrated in the way that Floyd takes a punch. Many people thought that Oscar would use that 154 pound limit to smother and try to overpower Floyd to wear him down in the late rounds. That didn't work. Chances are that Cotto would fade a bit just like he did in the last fight...

All those guys you mentioned except for Oscar are not HOF'ers, good fighters, exciting fghters, but not hall of famers, how can u tell me dudes the best, when he left the entire welterweight division un-tested, he never wanted no part of Winky, Vernon, Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Clottey, Casamayor(in his prime)..... my point is, niccas continually smash Oscar and try to dismiss Cotto, and the fact is that ANY of the fighters Floyd beat would've lost to Cotto or Oscar, so how can u smash Cotto or Oscar, and how can u say Floyd is the best. C'mon duke, he could've mad mega-dough facing off with Cotto, it's obvious he don't want no part of the boy. He's lloked good against dudes who are not in Cotto's class. Hatton isn't even worth mentioning and Oscar was OLD, there's alot of hype to Floyd is what I'm saying. Just because a nicca LOOKS like he can beat anyone doesn't mean it's true. HE knows the reason why he won't fight Cotto. Floyd is 31, he only has Cotto left to fight, AND HE RETIRES?!?!?! What does that tell u? Everyone in the game from Merchant on down to Steward knows Floyd doesn't want to risk his undefeated record against Cotto, now why do u think that is, because Floyd is ultra-confident he can win? I don't think so. It's because he'll have to really fight. No more half-assing against old men and midgets 7 pounds out of their weight class. Anyway, how many ko's do u remember ever coming from Sweet P and Winky? they were never ko punchers so that stat means nothing. All that bullshit about I'm the best so fighters have to come to me....that's bullshit, when ur great u wanna keep proving urself and pushing urself to the next level. That's like Ali NOT taking the fight against Foreman when he was past his best years because he might've lost, c'mon...Floyd ran from Cotto and mark my words, that fight is not gonna happen and it diminishes Floyd's "legacy" ALOT.

 

[tp2001]

I criticize Oscar for a reason...There is two sides to him: one as a fighter, and one as a money-maker. Oscar as a fighter is very, very good. Oscar as a money-maker is one of the greatest...

Don't get me wrong...At times, Oscar proved himself against some of the best in his division, beating the likes of Vargas, Chavez, and Quartey. But ever since he won the Olympic medal, he has generated attention from fight fans all over the world. In my opinion, he probably became one of the biggest draws in boxing because he brought in a large fan base from an "untapped" market: women.

Due to that, he bought in some of the biggest PPV numbers in history, when that usually happens with Heavyweight Title fights. Six of his PPV fights generated at least 40 million dollars...No other fighter that I know can state that claim...At least other than a heavyweight fighter...

Now for all of the fighters that you mentioned that Floyd "wouldn't" fight, you could also say the same thing for Oscar...Winky and Forrest were at times available for Oscar to fight, but yet that didn't happen. Now it has been said that a possible fight between Oscar and Winky this year could be shot down again...All that has to happen is for Cotto to win next month, and no Oscar/Winky...

Forrest was available for DLH from 04 through 06, especially when Oscar had that May date available...Now as Oscar, who would you fight, as guy that is known to get into brawls and doesn't give a fuck about getting hit, or a guy that lost twice to him (injuries or not) who beat your business partner twice, AND hasn't attracted much of draw since those fights? That was more of a business move by Oscar than most think...

To follow that match, once Oscar beat Mayorga, the talks with him fighting Mayweather were already in the works...Regardless of what Mosley was doing in 06, it was all up to either Oscar or Floyd if that fight was going to happen or not...And although I would've rather seen Floyd fight Mosley (of course), you think that fight would've generated 2.4 million PPV buys? Not even close...Sad to say, that fight may not have reached 1 million at the time...Now it might equal what Floyd did with Hatton, but still...50 mil or 135 mil in revenue, which would you pick as a fighter?

Let the man go out on his own terms...There's always someone out there that you haven't fought when you retire, but when it's time to go, you gotta go...

 

[ronmch20]

All fighters retire then unretire, Mayweather will be no different -- just wait.

 

[merce77]

I criticize Oscar for a reason...There is two sides to him: one as a fighter, and one as a money-maker. Oscar as a fighter is very, very good. Oscar as a money-maker is one of the greatest...

Don't get me wrong...At times, Oscar proved himself against some of the best in his division, beating the likes of Vargas, Chavez, and Quartey. But ever since he won the Olympic medal, he has generated attention from fight fans all over the world. In my opinion, he probably became one of the biggest draws in boxing because he brought in a large fan base from an "untapped" market: women.

Due to that, he bought in some of the biggest PPV numbers in history, when that usually happens with Heavyweight Title fights. Six of his PPV fights generated at least 40 million dollars...No other fighter that I know can state that claim...At least other than a heavyweight fighter...

Now for all of the fighters that you mentioned that Floyd "wouldn't" fight, you could also say the same thing for Oscar...Winky and Forrest were at times available for Oscar to fight, but yet that didn't happen. Now it has been said that a possible fight between Oscar and Winky this year could be shot down again...All that has to happen is for Cotto to win next month, and no Oscar/Winky...

Forrest was available for DLH from 04 through 06, especially when Oscar had that May date available...Now as Oscar, who would you fight, as guy that is known to get into brawls and doesn't give a fuck about getting hit, or a guy that lost twice to him (injuries or not) who beat your business partner twice, AND hasn't attracted much of draw since those fights? That was more of a business move by Oscar than most think...

To follow that match, once Oscar beat Mayorga, the talks with him fighting Mayweather were already in the works...Regardless of what Mosley was doing in 06, it was all up to either Oscar or Floyd if that fight was going to happen or not...And although I would've rather seen Floyd fight Mosley (of course), you think that fight would've generated 2.4 million PPV buys? Not even close...Sad to say, that fight may not have reached 1 million at the time...Now it might equal what Floyd did with Hatton, but still...50 mil or 135 mil in revenue, which would you pick as a fighter?

Let the man go out on his own terms...There's always someone out there that you haven't fought when you retire, but when it's time to go, you gotta go...

I hear u, it's just that after May utterly embarassed Corrales, I was expecting the second coming of Ray Leonard and I was disappointed, I have no problems with May as a dude, but as a fighter he left alot of us hanging, I mean honestly do u think he deserved fighter of the year for beating Hatton and Oscar as opposed to Cotto destroying Zab and out-boxing Shane?.....but u make some good points about Oscar and Winky. Wink is just too big right now for Oscar, had that fight taken place after Winky fought Vargas(who in my eyes gave Wink his best fight) it would have been very competitive but I'd have to side with Wink. But he wouldn't have done to Oscar what he did to Shane, Oscar is a better boxer, though Shane is one of my all-time favorites. I just can't compare May to the welters of ten years ago, Tito, Oscar, Quartey, Vargas, Vernon, those guys fought any and everybody, when Tito is finally retired THAT is one dude who we can say literally fought everyone that there was to fight(except Quartey) and judging by the fact Quartey is coming back in Sept. and Tito is lloking for a fight for the fall, it might happen, I always thought they totally robbed Ike against Vernon a few years ago, I'd still like to see Ike/Tito at 160.

 

[merce77]

All fighters retire then unretire, Mayweather will be no different -- just wait.

Well if he's gonna come back to fight Hatton or Oscar and stay away from Cotto or Mosley or Margarito....I'd prefer he stay retired. Then again I will never shit on no minority, black, asian, latin, whateva, for gettin money, get all the dough u can, these promoters try to bleed these boxers anyway.

 

[merce77]

Look, I don't wanna see Cotto/Mayweather just to see May lose or to see Cotto lose, whoever wins, a megafight like that with two still-young dudes and well matched is ALWAYS good for boxing. I sincerely hope it happens, but for cats to discount Cotto is crazy, May has been avoiding that dude for good reason, STYLES not just speed or defense make fights. And while Mayweather may be a bit faster, Cotto is right there with him in every category, and in some categories, he's better.

 

[tp2001]

but u make some good points about Oscar and Winky. Wink is just too big right now for Oscar, had that fight taken place after Winky fought Vargas(who in my eyes gave Wink his best fight) it would have been very competitive but I'd have to side with Wink. But he wouldn't have done to Oscar what he did to Shane, Oscar is a better boxer, though Shane is one of my all-time favorites.

I agree with this...I went to the first Mosley/Wright fight and saw how he outpointed Mosley, who (even though he's one of my favs too) can't deal with a jab from taller fighters very well. Winky's defense frustrates a lot of aggressive fighters such as Tito and Taylor and would be a problem for Oscar like Sweet Pea was to him...

I just can't compare May to the welters of ten years ago, Tito, Oscar, Quartey, Vargas, Vernon, those guys fought any and everybody, when Tito is finally retired THAT is one dude who we can say literally fought everyone that there was to fight(except Quartey) and judging by the fact Quartey is coming back in Sept. and Tito is looking for a fight for the fall, it might happen, I always thought they totally robbed Ike against Vernon a few years ago, I'd still like to see Ike/Tito at 160.

I'll give you that given the fact that he only had a few fights at welter, but they were title fights, and if Judah didn't underestimate Baldomir, then that fight in April 06 would've been for the undisputed welterweight title...Other than that Floyd made his name at super featherweight...

I just saw that Ike hasn't fought in almost two years...he's almost like Tito in that case. If he does come back, I wonder how fresh he would look in the ring...

 

[merce77]

I agree with this...I went to the first Mosley/Wright fight and saw how he outpointed Mosley, who (even though he's one of my favs too) can't deal with a jab from taller fighters very well. Winky's defense frustrates a lot of aggressive fighters such as Tito and Taylor and would be a problem for Oscar like Sweet Pea was to him...



I'll give you that given the fact that he only had a few fights at welter, but they were title fights, and if Judah didn't underestimate Baldomir, then that fight in April 06 would've been for the undisputed welterweight title...Other than that Floyd made his name at super featherweight...

I just saw that Ike hasn't fought in almost two years...he's almost like Tito in that case. If he does come back, I wonder how fresh he would look in the ring...

I saw him working out and hitting the bag and his handspeed and legspeed look good. Tito is still pretty much Tito for the most part and he would still be a beast at 154-160, he just can't fight with dudes bigger than that. They are both diminished just enough to make it a good fight.