Mayweather denies accusing Pacquiao of steriod use. says he's open to fighting Manny

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Re: Mayweather denies accusing Pacquiao of steriod use. says he's open to fighting M

Furthermore, I don't think Ortiz would even need "put you to sleep power". Even Corley was able to hurt Mayweather. Anyway, I don't see Mayweather getting put to sleep anyway. I think Mayweather may taste the canvas a few times or get the fight called off on him but I don't see him getting put to sleep like RJ.

This is just wishful thinking. Mayweather has never tasted the canvas so why would Ortiz be able to make him taste it very times in one fight. Listen...you guys have to not let your personal bias sway you too far from reality. Floyd stays in the gym and 34 years old is not OLD...especially for a defensive-minded boxer like Floyd. He would have needed to lost a considerable amount of quickness and reflexes for Ortiz to have the type of success you are hoping for...and please dont mention RJJ and Floyd in the same breathe..

 

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As much as he landed on Berto, goofy ass... nothing. I don't think it is impossible for him to get the upset with a shocking KO, but that is his only way to win. He won't outbox Floyd or break him down so, he has to go all in on that lottery winner against a motherfucker whose main skill is not getting hit with clean shots... That isn't good betting odds.

Exactly... it wasnt like ortiz looked good against Berto..it just proved that Berto was what I have always thought he was...a glamorized b fighter...

Floyd and Manny need to stop being bitches and make the fight happen... they pose the most potential problems for the other.... Ortiz is going to look like an amateur out there after round 4 or 5..

 

[merce77]

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Mayweather will win, and I don't see him getting dropped. He may have some tense moments in the first few rounds but the gap will widen as the fight goes on with Mayweather winning convincingly. Though I don't think it will be quite the wipeout you guys think it will be. Plus I don't think that Peterson fight was a gift. Victor started out very strong the first few rounds and even dropped Peterson. I think a draw was fair. It's not like Peterson was looking spectacular in there, it's that Ortiz wasn't.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

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That is the thing though... considering his major disadvantages, he is going to need the put you to sleep type of power to win by KO....and it is easier to wear opponents down that you can hit them..but you kno after the first few rounds, he is rarely going to land solid power punches on Floyd....and he is neither technically more sound or quick enough to do anything differently than any other opponent. He was dropping opponents that were sitting in front of him and taking several and consecutive shots to the head... not gonna happen with Floyd.... Vic has 3-4 rounds to hurt Floyd badly or it is going to turn into another UD for floyd.

I would love to see a different fight...but Victor hasnt shown me that he will be able to be effective against a superior boxer like Floyd

What other fight would you like to see PBF in? I know I'm going to get crucified by the CJM aka circle jerk mob, but there is not fight for him except Manny (which is not going to happen) or moving up to 154. Which if he did and couldn't make a fight with PWILL ore Sergio would be a shame. But I don't see him fighting either guy if he made that move. So we are left with him fighting people we expect him to be. Same with Manny. Shit sucks. But it is what it is.

 

[Zeferino]

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That is the thing though... considering his major disadvantages, he is going to need the put you to sleep type of power to win by KO....and it is easier to wear opponents down that you can hit them..but you kno after the first few rounds, he is rarely going to land solid power punches on Floyd....and he is neither technically more sound or quick enough to do anything differently than any other opponent. He was dropping opponents that were sitting in front of him and taking several and consecutive shots to the head... not gonna happen with Floyd.... Vic has 3-4 rounds to hurt Floyd badly or it is going to turn into another UD for floyd.

I would love to see a different fight...but Victor hasnt shown me that he will be able to be effective against a superior boxer like Floyd

I agree with the part about Victor not being proven. People, myself included, are thinking he'll have a chance based on his last showing against Berto. I guess the saying about only being as good as your last fight is true. The same thing happened with Mosley. Everybody was saying he was shot and done but after he beat Margarito he was a monster again in most people's eyes.

I think Victor's past problems were mental and that showed when he quit against Maidana. People think he has a chance because the Berto fight seemed to indicate those mental issues were over. Victor seems to still be on the same mental high he was when he beat Berto and I think Victor would need the confidence beaten out of him at this point. However, I don't think Mayweather throws enough shots to do this and Victor's southpaw angle will be a significant factor. Even Floyd and Roger have mentioned this so they know it's something they have to prepare Floyd for.

The whole thing looks like a set up for an upset to me.

 

[Zeferino]

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This is just wishful thinking. Mayweather has never tasted the canvas so why would Ortiz be able to make him taste it very times in one fight. Listen...you guys have to not let your personal bias sway you too far from reality. Floyd stays in the gym and 34 years old is not OLD...especially for a defensive-minded boxer like Floyd. He would have needed to lost a considerable amount of quickness and reflexes for Ortiz to have the type of success you are hoping for...and please dont mention RJJ and Floyd in the same breathe..

Mayweather tasted canvas against Zab Judah. My points have nothing to do with personal bias. I'm actually looking at this as if Floyd were a normal human and not some god. Mayweather has been largely inactive. Mayweather is old for a fighter. 34 and 35 years old is the age that most fighters under 200lbs start to slip. Mayweather already showed slippage in the Mosley fight IMO. Please don't mention RJJ and Floyd in the same breath? Ok, . Let's see if Mayweather's defensive "wizardry" holds up. When he starts getting tagged like never before, I wonder if you'll say he never had technique to begin with. Shit, even Pernell Whitaker started going life and death and getting hit more than usual with guys like DIobelys Hurtado, Bojorquez, and that Rivera guy once he got too old and he was still in his 30's too. Remember this post.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

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Co sign. Mosley got off, but Floyd didn't crumble... he kept his shit together, took the shot still standing and got back to work. If Peterson is too slick for a motherfucker... I expect Ortiz to get the Marquez treatment meaning 12 round highlight reel.

Pretty much.

People make way more of a big deal about Shane hurting PBF. Dudes get rocked all the time. Some of you at as though PBF got dropped twice in the round and stormed back from that bloody eye and all. He got hit with a flush punch that didn't knock him down or even get close to it.

Ortiz has a chance. One because he is a decent southpaw. two because PBF has been out the ring for a long time. But those chances are still slim. Unless he catches him or a head butt frustrates him like it did when Shane fought Vernon. I don't see Ortiz being the winner at the end of the fight.

All the time? Really?

I don't know if he gets knocked out because there isn't really a lot out there to knock him out, except maybe Manny! I think more than likely, will will start seeing his fights becoming more and more competitive, with him getting hit more and having to overcome more. That being said, I believe fights like that will enhance his legacy, and I still see him winning the majority of those fights. He showed he can be resilient when Mosley caught him. I also don't see 4 more fights in him, primarily because of what he's seen happen to RJJ. I think it's this fight, maybe one more but I doubt it, and then a fight with Manny which will be a career defining war for both of them.

I actually think Ortiz has a better chance of knocking him out than Manny. Manny's a hard puncher but I think Ortiz is just as strong a puncher and he's a bigger guy.
I don't see Floyd fighting 4 more fights either. If he gets the Pacquiao fight and wins, he retires. If he gets it and loses, they fight a rematch. He wins that, they fight again. Then he retires.

Exactly... it wasnt like ortiz looked good against Berto..it just proved that Berto was what I have always thought he was...a glamorized b fighter...

Floyd and Manny need to stop being bitches and make the fight happen... they pose the most potential problems for the other.... Ortiz is going to look like an amateur out there after round 4 or 5..

Probably.

I don't think anyone unrelated to Victor thinks he can or will win but he has the best shot of pulling off a Antonio "Close My Eyes, Pray, and Swing for the fences" Tarver.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

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Mayweather tasted canvas against Zab Judah. My points have nothing to do with personal bias. I'm actually looking at this as if Floyd were a normal human and not some god. Mayweather has been largely inactive. Mayweather is old for a fighter. 34 and 35 years old is the age that most fighters under 200lbs start to slip. Mayweather already showed slippage in the Mosley fight IMO. Please don't mention RJJ and Floyd in the same breath? Ok, . Let's see if Mayweather's defensive "wizardry" holds up. When he starts getting tagged like never before, I wonder if you'll say he never had technique to begin with. Shit, even Pernell Whitaker started going life and death and getting hit more than usual with guys like DIobelys Hurtado, Bojorquez, and that Rivera guy once he got too old and he was still in his 30's too. Remember this post.

Funny CJM got you add a disclaimer that it is personal when you talk about PBF. Funny. I agree with what you are saying. It makes sense to me.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

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Pretty much.



All the time? Really?

Yeah. In most fight you see a fighter get caught with at least one hard flush punch. It happens. That is really all that happened to PBF when he fought Shane. It was really about anything but catching a good shot and him moving on.

 

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What other fight would you like to see PBF in? I know I'm going to get crucified by the CJM aka circle jerk mob, but there is not fight for him except Manny (which is not going to happen) or moving up to 154. Which if he did and couldn't make a fight with PWILL ore Sergio would be a shame. But I don't see him fighting either guy if he made that move. So we are left with him fighting people we expect him to be. Same with Manny. Shit sucks. But it is what it is.

I dont see anyone at welter giving him a real problem (at least not as long as his speed is there). It wont happen... but you just mentioned the fights I would love to see (PW or Sergio)...to me... the weight distance is not so much a difference where they coudnt both easily meet in the middle and they both (moreso Sergio) could cause major problems potentially for Floyd... Sergio could be a nightmare fight for Floyd because Sergio has real power... obvious he gets hit and Floyd could outbox him...but sergio has that one-hitter quitter type of power when he lands a good shot (PW know that)..combine that with a southpaw stance and a guy that is reasonably quick and very active for his size...

Honestly...unless Floyd fights many and another guy like that and wins... There will always be a * on his legacy to me...

 

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Mayweather tasted canvas against Zab Judah. .

He didnt taste canvas...he quickly touched a glove and was more off-balance than anything. Mosely had him hurt... Zab didnt...and that wasnt even scored a knock down. I have watched that fight multiple times and have used it to illustrate two points (Floyd struggles early against southpaws and that Zab is one of the least disciplined and mentally unfit boxers I have seen because he has all the tools physically).

and no... RJJ shouldnt be mentioned in the same breathe as a Floyd, Bhop, James Toney,etc... who are defensive tacticians... You are a RJ stan...I understand that..but lets just leave it alone...I am tired of discussing RJJ with you... RJJ was a ticking time bomb and turned into a punching bag once the reflexes were gone...doesnt even have the tactical ability to avoid getting hit.. his stance alone makes him an easy target.... fighters like Floyd or Bhop or Toney will never get hit (even older and slower) with the regularity that RJJ because their stance and technique alone makes them more difficult targets...and it is not 100 percent reflexes like it was with RJJ

 

[Zeferino]

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He didnt taste canvas...he quickly touched a glove and was more off-balance than anything. Mosely had him hurt... Zab didnt...and that wasnt even scored a knock down. I have watched that fight multiple times and have used it to illustrate two points (Floyd struggles early against southpaws and that Zab is one of the least disciplined and mentally unfit boxers I have seen because he has all the tools physically).

and no... RJJ shouldnt be mentioned in the same breathe as a Floyd, Bhop, James Toney,etc... who are defensive tacticians... You are a RJ stan...I understand that..but lets just leave it alone...I am tired of discussing RJJ with you... RJJ was a ticking time bomb and turned into a punching bag once the reflexes were gone...doesnt even have the tactical ability to avoid getting hit.. his stance a long makes him an easy target.... fights like Floyd or Bhop or Toney will never get hit (even older and slower) with the regularity that RJJ because their stance and technique alone makes them more difficult targets...and it is not 100 percent reflexes like it was with RJJ

We'll just have to wait and see.