So you aren't going to tell me he was 400 years old. There is no reason to keep going if you are going to start that. I thought we were just going by history.
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So you aren't going to tell me he was 400 years old. There is no reason to keep going if you are going to start that. I thought we were just going by history.
look, YOU are the one who brought this up, and we ARE going by history. YOU were the one who ESTABLISHED ABRAHAM AS A REAL PERSON, HIS age being 167 years old by HIS death. so don't start getting bitchy because of the events surrounding the folks YOU "entered as evidence". if YOU didn't know what you were getting into, you shouldn't have opened your trap about something you were IGNORANT about.
but we're in this now, and you aren't backing out because you were unprepared.
and why haven't you researched Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus like i told you to?
I am bringing up the history right out of the Jews mouth that he existed some time around 3,800 years ago.
That 167 year old bullshit is something out of your fairy tales, just like walking on water and your zombie christ. We leave that bullshit out.
I am in no trap. Your religion is a recent man made invention.
you're sucking wind like a little bitch.
how are you going to pick and choose what you believe about Jewish history???
you're going to believe the Abraham existed, based on JEWISH TRADITIONAL HISTORY, but NOT BELIEVE when the SAME HISTORY says he was 167 years old at the time of his death???
see, you came up in here so proud of yourself about something you THOUGHT you knew, but when it comes to showing and proving you ran out of gas like a clunker with a hole in its fuel tank!
either accept it all or dismiss it all, but don't come up in here with pitty pat, 6 in one hand half a dozen in the other semantics.
and WHY have you STILL not read up on Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus, since you know SO MUCH about MY RELIGION???
Damn I swear you internet tough guys with throwing bitch this and that around.
Not very xtain of you.
Jews date their religion back about 3,800 years ago. That doesn't mean I am going to believe the amazing horseshit they made up in their religion as being true. Accept it all? Why? We know that some of your xtian gospels were written in the first century, just because we know they were invented in the first century doesn't mean we accept that bullshit to be true.
I can do the same thing with Scientology. They will tell you when their religion was invented, does it mean I have to believe the bullshit in their texts?
Your fairy tales don't even go back to the great pyramids.
I am not even going to address your other information because I have proved your religion from the get go is RECENT. 3,800 years or thereabouts.
Pyramids>>>>>>>> your god. How the hell can that be?
Are you an antiallah?
And "confess" implies that everyone knows it in his or her heart but refuses to proclaim it-- You honestly believe everyone who differs with you does not disagree but is a liar?
Following up on my above comments, ignorance suggests a lack of knowledge... How can one confess that which he is ignorant of? How can one be intentionally deceitful if you are claiming that person is ignorant of the truth?
"Remember this lost ones: the greatest trick ever pulled is Satan convincing the world that he doesn't exist."
What's really funny about this is that most of the world is convinced Satan does exist yet people still quote this line...
Damn I swear you internet tough guys with throwing bitch this and that around.
And all of that is comin' from a man of "God", a righteous man, a holy man.
@ niggas livin' to be 167 yrs old.
dude, you're full of shit.Damn I swear you internet tough guys with throwing bitch this and that around.
Not very xtain of you.
Jews date their religion back about 3,800 years ago. That doesn't mean I am going to believe the amazing horseshit they made up in their religion as being true. Accept it all? Why? We know that some of your xtian gospels were written in the first century, just because we know they were invented in the first century doesn't mean we accept that bullshit to be true.
I can do the same thing with Scientology. They will tell you when their religion was invented, does it mean I have to believe the bullshit in their texts?
Your fairy tales don't even go back to the great pyramids.
3,800 years or thereabouts.
Pyramids>>>>>>>> your god. How the hell can that be?
seriously.
i just filleted your knowledge of my religion.
- you never heard of Melchizedek, a precursor to Abraham
until now, yet claim to know when MY religion began.
- you use Jewish Traditional History to pinpoint WHO my religion began with, but REFUSE TO ACCEPT anything else that the same history supports.
- you're too ignorant to realize that the same bible that speaks on Abraham ALSO SPEAKS ON WHAT OCCURRED BEFORE THE PYRAMIDS WERE MADE.
- you don't know that Judaism is only a part of the Christian belief system, but NOT THE BEGINNING of it.
- and you STILL have not read up on Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus and what they said about JESUS CHRIST.
but hey, you're an antichrist, why should i expect more from you, right?
And all of that is comin' from a man of "God", a righteous man, a holy man.
never professed to be righteous or "holy"...but i find it funny that nonbelievers are always so fast to judge believers by a set of standard you THINK we should keep. to be honest, it ain't your business, just like i stay out of YOURS.
and my great aunt is 105 years old right now, the oldest modern living person was 122 at their death. considering this, 167 is not such a stretch.
you haven't refuted factually anything i've presented, so you need to either the game or stay on the porch.
dude, you're full of shit.
seriously.
i just filleted your knowledge of my religion.but hey, you're an antichrist, why should i expect more from you, right?
- you never heard of Melchizedek, a precursor to Abraham
until now, yet claim to know when MY religion began.- you use Jewish Traditional History to pinpoint WHO my religion began with, but REFUSE TO ACCEPT anything else that the same history supports.
- you're too ignorant to realize that the same bible that speaks on Abraham ALSO SPEAKS ON WHAT OCCURRED BEFORE THE PYRAMIDS WERE MADE.
- you don't know that Judaism is only a part of the Christian belief system, but NOT THE BEGINNING of it.
- and you STILL have not read up on Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus and what they said about JESUS CHRIST.
Bruh, you are the one who said I never heard of the cats, not me. You just twisting shit around. Everybody knows how old your religion is from historians to the people that made the shit up.
Since the people that invented your religion really didn't know how old mankind was they had know idea they would get exposed like assclowns years later.
People were lucky to live to be 30 back then and we basically know this as fact and you are throwing around 167 years of age.
Like typical religious folks you bend reality to fit with your myth. I am done with this discussion. You just as much an Atheist as me, you don't believe in the thousands of other gods man as created. You don't believe in their back stories. yet you call me ignorant.
But shit, you are a cool cat on the board but on this you are absolutely out your damn mind. I just agree to disagree. Peace.
LMAO...sissy. you can be done all you want with this but i ain't. i'm not through kicking you while you're down.
you're dishonest as hell. you know good n' damn well you aint never heard of Melchizedek until i mentioned him.
and i am STILL cracking up at the fact that you introduced Abraham to this discussion, but your utter lack of knowledge of him or preparation to discuss him left you wide open to exposing your ignorance on the subject.
by introducing him YOU established HIS LIFE as FACT to base the rest of this discussion on, but as soon as the details of his life became unfortunate to your argument, you start calling bs.
that is a BITCH move. either consider ALL the information concerning Abraham's life as relevant to this issue, or NONE of it, but don't pick and choose as soon as you start looking stupid.
your assertion that my religion started with Abraham is incredibly ignorant as i am not a jew. it also dismisses the idea that a God can exist before a religion based on him does.
gene, you stupid.
you are unlearned, undisciplined, unstudied, and uninformed concerning my religion.
and WHY HAVE YOU STILL NOT TALKED ABOUT Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus and what they said about JESUS CHRIST?
who is Enoch the Ethiopian? did he live before or after Abraham? was he religious?
according to my religion is it possible to know God before you are born?
why are you avoiding what Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus had to say about JESUS CHRIST?
Please tell me how old your religion is then. What year it was created? Post a source. I can post source after source after source showing your religion and god was created around 3,500 to 4,000 years ago.
I mean we can verify Osiris and Isis being at the very least 1,000 years older than your invented god. Why no mention of yours?
So post a date.
Also you keep bringing up your zombie god christ and yet you post nobody that lived with him that wrote of him.
The people you point to live decades after his death. We have been over that for years on this board so leave that alone.Post a date.
And all of that is comin' from a man of "God", a righteous man, a holy man.
The Earth's atmosphere was much more dense back then than it is today. With the air highly saturated in Oxygen, it promoted not only structural growth but also longer living.
Then what did "Jesus Christ" look like, you should know this...considering Flavius Josephus, Tacitus and Constantine remarked on this.
Please tell me how old your religion is then. What year it was created? Post a source. I can post source after source after source showing your religion and god was created around 3,500 to 4,000 years ago.
I mean we can verify Osiris and Isis being at the very least 1,000 years older than your invented god. Why no mention of yours?
So post a date.
Also you keep bringing up your zombie god christ and yet you post nobody that lived with him that wrote of him.
Post a date.
dude, there is no source in the history of mankind that can tell you that :
A: YHWH was definitively created by a single person
B: the exact date upon which the various religious practices concerning him were enacted
you cannot verify that people did not worship YHWH BEFORE people in Egypt were worshiping their gods.
what kills me is that you have found a source that tells you when judaism started, but instead of understanding and comprehending that, you have decided that the INVENTION of GOD is the same as the IMPLEMENTATION of a RELIGIOUS PRACTICE. how are you making it one and the same? that is a fallacy.
as to your question, MY religion was created about 25 to 30 AD.
he looked like any other ninja from his area at that time...dark enough to pass for an Egyptian (who WERE dark skinned back then) or a current Pakistani or Afghan cat. Dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes, certainly not european in the least.
what are you asking me specifically?
I'm basically asking you to confirm your definition and address what I see as some inconsistencies. I thought it was very straightforward but I'll rephrase and expand on the questions.
1. When I asked "And 'confess' implies that everyone knows it in his or her heart but refuses to proclaim it-- You honestly believe everyone who differs with you does not disagree but is a liar," I was addressing this statement:
"Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist."
You don't believe that is is possible for anyone to disagree with you-- we are all liars and deceivers?
2. If you truly believe the answer to my first question is yes, how can you throw around the word ignorant the way you have several times in this thread?
As I said, ignorance suggests a lack of knowledge-- How can one confess that which he is ignorant of? How can one be intentionally deceitful if you are claiming that person is ignorant of the truth?
i didn't call anyone a liar. i posted that scripture to define what an antichrist is. you do with it as you please.
and again, that is scripture, not Buk's personal statement. you do with it as you please.
the ignorance i was talking about is towards those who blame religion for the evils of the world, instead of blaming the individuals or groups who are responsible for using religion to further their evil goals.
there is such a thing as willful ignorance.
C'mon, man, stand up for your beliefs. Don't hide behind scripture. I obviously was not under the impression that you wrote it yourself. I just think it's an incredible way of looking at the world and I would appreciate it if you were honest enough to tell me "I don't think you disagree with me-- I think you are a liar."
I, as I'm sure you realize, think that is nuts. It's a bit ironic, in fact, and paradoxical that I have to coax you to be open and honest about the fact that you think I'm a liar and deceiver.
If I'm off-base, let me know.
So you don't think any tenets of any religion are evil? It all boils down to individuals using religion and is never the actual religion in any case?
Okay, that's an interesting response. What is the incentive to choose to be ignorant, to choose not to believe in eternal paradise and a loving God and a grand purpose for all of humanity?
to be honest, its my practice to "hide behind scripture". i dont have a problem with doing it and don't see it as cowardice in the least.
Galatians 1:13-14 (King James Version)
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
James 1:26-27
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
there i go hiding behind scripture again.
man, you have the right to believe or dismiss whatever you want to. i wont persecute you based on your religious beliefs, its not my job nor my concern. i'd like people to treat me the same way, but when folks blame religion for the evils of men, it's a matter of willful ignorance.
because of the crusades do we dismiss all the good that religious people do now? all the hospitals that religious organizations support? or housing, clothing, and food that religious organizations provide? how about education that religious organizations support?
any Black person in the US would have to be a total idiot or a liar to deny that our religion got us out of slavery and the civil rights movement.
its part of our history, but revisionists and others who find it an inconvenience to their argument want to dismiss this.
Okay, I guess I can respect that as a tactic-- Letting the scripture speak for itself. It's clearly implied that you believe it and that's enough for me, though I was seeking a direct statement. I get where you're coming from.
I'll check what you posted from Galatians and James tomorrow but I have to run now... However, I did want to share this exchange from last night's thread that you were in because it speaks directly to your statements about dismissing "all the good that religious people do."
Wondering that too........ another cat bashing religion had Nelson Mandela in his avatar
Clearly, none of that pertains to me (Antichrist that I am).
dude, there is no source in the history of mankind that can tell you that :
A: YHWH was definitively created by a single person
B: the exact date upon which the various religious practices concerning him were enacted
you cannot verify that people did not worship YHWH BEFORE people in Egypt were worshiping their gods.
what kills me is that you have found a source that tells you when judaism started, but instead of understanding and comprehending that, you have decided that the INVENTION of GOD is the same as the IMPLEMENTATION of a RELIGIOUS PRACTICE. how are you making it one and the same? that is a fallacy.
as to your question, MY religion was created about 25 to 30 AD.
I can verify that by the evidence we have. The aboriginals in Australia had never heard of the muthafucka. Most of Africa did not. Europeans did not. The natives in the Americas did not.
Nobody heard of your all powerful god. They had invented other gods. Anybody with reason can see every culture seems to develop their own gods and explanations for the world.
Since your own fairy tale books says man knew god from the get go surely there would be mention of your specific god. There isn't not even among the oldest civilizations known to man.
Your specific god is a recent human invention, the zombie jew is even more recent. I could see if people had sailed to Australia which had been isolated for 60,000 years and found them worshiping your god or evidence that they ever had, but there is none.
Just the fact that we know older civilizations don't mention your god pretty much proves it wasn't invented yet.
Even the vast majority of our African ancestors that were dragged here hadn't heard of your god until it was forced on them.
C/S. Some xtian defenders are passionate but physical evidence does not support it's legitimacy. For any xtian, jew, or muslim to argue age and antiquity vs the rest of the world is foolish. Evidence does not go past the Roman period as far as the current form of xtianity is.
So true. I just have one question for Christians.. where was God the first 198,000 years of Modern humanity?
so, your basis for the dismissal of the existence of God is that not enough people knew about him for him to be real.
REALLY.
so, i guess i didn't exist because YOU never knew of ME until i started posting on bgol? so for the 26 or so years of my existence before you knew of me just didn't happen...cause you didn't know about me. i mean, based on the EVIDENCE you have i only began to exist 12 years ago.
even though OTHER people had PROOF of my existence, because YOU had no ACCESS to that information, you DISMISS it now that it's available to you.
according to YOUR logic, i SHOULD have announced my birth to ALL THE WORLD AS SOON as it HAPPENED, instead of making myself known according to MY TIMETABLE. that would be the ONLY WAY to legitimize my being here. right?
even though now i'm known by people on 6 continents, and they have some knowledge of my history, none of that matters cause i'm TOO NEW.
sounds exactly like what those folks are saying about Obama's birth certificate. there is ample proof of his U.S. birth occurring, but they have decided to just not believe it.
this is why i KEEP asking you why you WILL NOT consider Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus and what they said about Jesus Christ, because there you DO HAVE SECULAR PROOF of his existence, but you REFUSE to consider it, refuse to acknowledge it, and continue to be a COWARD about it.
MAN UP and stop being a little girl concerning this information. it KILLS your ARGUMENT DEAD. MY RELIGION started about 25 to 30 AD. the book that refers to the ORIGINATOR of MY RELIGION tells of secular corroborated WORLD HISTORY before the beginning of MY RELIGION.
now if you were to get off into the teachings of my religion, this is what it says of the ancient people who did not know MY GOD by name:
Romans 2:14-16 (King James Version)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
so those people you named had an instinctual knowledge of MY GOD, though the details of his existence was foreign to them.
the bible goes on to say of them:
Acts 17:23-30
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
so according to MY RELIGION, God knew that those folks needed to learn about him, and chose to make himself available to them according to HIS time, not YOURS.
ninja please. secular Mesopotamian history includes the same names of people, the same places, the same events, and the same time-lines as the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah from the old testament of the Bible.
he was chillin'. where were you?
so, your basis for the dismissal of the existence of God is that not enough people knew about him for him to be real.
REALLY.
so, i guess i didn't exist because YOU never knew of ME until i started posting on bgol? so for the 26 or so years of my existence before you knew of me just didn't happen...cause you didn't know about me. i mean, based on the EVIDENCE you have i only began to exist 12 years ago.
even though OTHER people had PROOF of my existence, because YOU had no ACCESS to that information, you DISMISS it now that it's available to you.
according to YOUR logic, i SHOULD have announced my birth to ALL THE WORLD AS SOON as it HAPPENED, instead of making myself known according to MY TIMETABLE. that would be the ONLY WAY to legitimize my being here. right?
even though now i'm known by people on 6 continents, and they have some knowledge of my history, none of that matters cause i'm TOO NEW.
sounds exactly like what those folks are saying about Obama's birth certificate. there is ample proof of his U.S. birth occurring, but they have decided to just not believe it.
this is why i KEEP asking you why you WILL NOT consider Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus and what they said about Jesus Christ, because there you DO HAVE SECULAR PROOF of his existence, but you REFUSE to consider it, refuse to acknowledge it, and continue to be a COWARD about it.
MAN UP and stop being a little girl concerning this information. it KILLS your ARGUMENT DEAD. MY RELIGION started about 25 to 30 AD. the book that refers to the ORIGINATOR of MY RELIGION tells of secular corroborated WORLD HISTORY before the beginning of MY RELIGION.
now if you were to get off into the teachings of my religion, this is what it says of the ancient people who did not know MY GOD by name:
Romans 2:14-16 (King James Version)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
so those people you named had an instinctual knowledge of MY GOD, though the details of his existence was foreign to them.
the bible goes on to say of them:
Acts 17:23-30
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
so according to MY RELIGION, God knew that those folks needed to learn about him, and chose to make himself available to them according to HIS time, not YOURS.
ninja please. secular Mesopotamian history includes the same names of people, the same places, the same events, and the same time-lines as the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah from the old testament of the Bible.
he was chillin'. where were you?
You should man the fuck up and stop acting like a little child that needs fairy tales to get through the night.
Before your zombie jew god you already had a god. This god claimed to have made the world and knew the first men. That means somewhere there would be evidence of this god. There is none. NONE.
You comparing me not knowing you to a being that claimed it announced itself to the first men. Then after a global flood was still known by the only people left? Please just stop it. Your religion is full of more holes than Swiss cheese.
Man up.
You really should man up. You are born and die. No sky fairies are involved in this process, especially your recently invented one(s).Again nobody on Earth heard of your specific god. That muthafucka sound like a rapper talking about how everybody know how he gets down and when you ask people nobody heard of the muthafucka. The muthafucka ain't shit. That is your god and your religion. It isn't shit.
It cannot back up its claims and is constantly getting caught in its fuckign lies.
I never said homosexuals were going to hell but you just called them beasts and that they behave like animals.
Maybe not directly, but you wove a parallel between the downfall of society and this supposed aggessive conspiracy to shove homosexuality down our throats...
All humans are animals bruh. Smartest animal on earth by far, but animals nonetheless...
so your response is that YOU cannot refute any of the things i said concerning secular history that coincides with Biblical history, so YOU ignore them.
dude...for real...you can name call all day. but your actions ARE A SISSIFIED, FRUIT BOOTIED, A FAGGISH as you continuing to RUN FROM Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus and what they said about JESUS CHRIST.
you are SUCH an EXPERT on MY RELIGION, yet you CONTINUE to AVOID all the PARTICULARS about MY RELIGION.
but you aren't a sissy for it, you KNOW you can't address it intellectually and from an INFORMED standpoint, so you refuse to address it at all.
this means you KNOW YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE. YOU KNOW YOU'RE OUTGUNNED, YOU KNOW you have no RESPONSE, and it IS FUCKING WITH YOUR HEAD.
You comparing me not knowing you to a being that claimed it announced itself to the first men. Then after a global flood was still known by the only people left? Please just stop it. Your religion is full of more holes than Swiss cheese.
Man up.
Again nobody on Earth heard of your specific god. That muthafucka sound like a rapper talking about how everybody know how he gets down and when you ask people nobody heard of the muthafucka. The muthafucka ain't shit. That is your god and your religion. It isn't shit.
It cannot back up its claims and is constantly getting caught in its fuckign lies.
and by the same token, you cannot prove he DID NOT EXIST. YOUR burdon of proof is that someone other than the Jews would have to know about Him for him to be real. how do YOU know they didn't?fully independent of judea-christian influence, the Iroquois Nation believed in one God, who they called the GREAT SPIRIT, who used Honochenokeh, lesser spirits, to interact with is people. sounds a lot like the God of the Bible, with his angels, doesn't it? they also believe in a great Satan-like evil, called Hanegoategeh, as well as the immortal soul that is judged by the great spirit upon death. these similarities are just coincidence, right?
their history was ORAL, only very recently written down, so you wouldn't know how old their traditions are based on simple archeology. ever consider that this was the method of many of the ancient people of earth?
many ancient AFRICAN worship methodology include a supreme God to rule over lesser gods, a god of creation who dictates to his messengers how to interact with the people of the earth.
whose to say that these are not at all related to the God of the bible?
YOU? because you don't want to?
as far as my faith is concerned, this is neither here nor there.
you want empirical intellectually satisfactory information that the God i worship is real.
according to my religion, you CANNOT HAVE THAT.
1 Corinthians 1:19-25
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
now, again, if the Bible is false, why is it that it coincides with secular history?
YOU need to stop being a coward and deal with Roman historians and this Christ problem you have.
so your response is that YOU cannot refute any of the things i said concerning secular history that coincides with Biblical history, so YOU ignore them.
dude...for real...you can name call all day. but your actions ARE A SISSIFIED, FRUIT BOOTIED, A FAGGISH as you continuing to RUN FROM Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, and Plinius Secundus and what they said about JESUS CHRIST.
you are SUCH an EXPERT on MY RELIGION, yet you CONTINUE to AVOID all the PARTICULARS about MY RELIGION.
but you aren't a sissy for it, you KNOW you can't address it intellectually and from an INFORMED standpoint, so you refuse to address it at all.
this means you KNOW YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE. YOU KNOW YOU'RE OUTGUNNED, YOU KNOW you have no RESPONSE, and it IS FUCKING WITH YOUR HEAD.
fully independent of judea-christian influence, the Iroquois Nation believed in one God, who they called the GREAT SPIRIT, who used Honochenokeh, lesser spirits, to interact with is people. sounds a lot like the God of the Bible, with his angels, doesn't it? they also believe in a great Satan-like evil, called Hanegoategeh, as well as the immortal soul that is judged by the great spirit upon death. these similarities are just coincidence, right?
their history was ORAL, only very recently written down, so you wouldn't know how old their traditions are based on simple archeology. ever consider that this was the method of many of the ancient people of earth?
many ancient AFRICAN worship methodology include a supreme God to rule over lesser gods, a god of creation who dictates to his messengers how to interact with the people of the earth.
whose to say that these are not at all related to the God of the bible?
YOU? because you don't want to?
as far as my faith is concerned, this is neither here nor there.
you want empirical intellectually satisfactory information that the God i worship is real.
according to my religion, you CANNOT HAVE THAT.
1 Corinthians 1:19-25
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
now, again, if the Bible is false, why is it that it coincides with secular history?
YOU need to stop being a coward and deal with Roman historians and this Christ problem you have.
So now in your pathetic attempt to justify your myth you try to bring in a couple of the THOUSANDS of GODS invented by men.
You sound like a fool. The gods had different names and characteristics. Gods are regional inventions of man. Plain and simple.I already addressed your Roman historians. They didn't live when your so called zombie god lived, they lived decades after him and are useless in this talk.
O*d*I*N(I think the name is banned here) also had a hall where they judged the dead. They also had folk that interacted with humans. Stop fucking reaching into other religions that have jack fuck all to do with your myths.
Your ignorant ass continues to overlook Egyptian religion right in the general area that predates your horseshit. It is 1,000 years older and doesn't mention your invented god. WHY NOT? Your god isn't carved on one tomb wall or artifact in the cradle of civilization prior to its invention. Why not?
Why didn't the aboriginals in Australia hear about your horseshit? Why did the Incas sacrifice to the sun? What about the Aztecs? Pacific Islanders? Most of Africa? Ancient Europe which has religions that predate your god also. The oldest religion known to man was that of Africans worshiping a snake and is 60,000 years old. What about the India? I guess Hindus have it wrong also. And don't try to turn any North American god into yours. Nobody buys that shit.
Again, your god isn't carved in one artifact in Ancient Egypt prior to its invention.
Where ever the white man sailed bringing your religion and god he didn't find it. He found other gods. This is how your poisonous filth of a religion spread. Nobody would have had to convert if your god already was known or existed in the region.
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