Martinez vs Cotto under discussion.

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Promoter Lou DiBella met with HBO brass Thursday to discuss the future of middleweight champion Sergio Martinez, who is coming off that massive second-round knockout of Paul Williams in their rematch two weeks ago. While the plan is for Martinez to return in March or April, his opponent remains up in the air.

There are several possibilities, but DiBella is hoping to entice junior middleweight titlist Miguel Cotto into what would be a high-profile fight. To that end, DiBella and Top Rank promoter Bob Arum had some discussion about the fight this week.

"We had an honest-to-goodness conversation about the fight," DiBella said. "Bob knows we can easily make the fight. He will be meeting with Cotto's people this week and presenting them with various options. Cotto has already proven his mettle time and again, but to do a fight like this, he will get nothing but props from people."

The chances of Martinez-Cotto probably improved this week when Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. dropped out of Saturday's fight with Pawel Wolak. Had Chavez fought and won, there was a good chance that he would have faced Cotto next in April, Arum said.

But Chavez won't go into a big fight against Cotto without at least one more fight under his belt. Trainer Freddie Roach has made that clear, and Arum agreed. That means Chavez won't be Cotto's next opponent.

Martinez is willing to drop down to 155 pounds and put his middleweight championship at stake against Cotto (35-2, 28 KOs), who won a junior middleweight belt in June by stopping Yuri Foreman in the ninth round at Yankee Stadium -- one fight after Manny Pacquiao knocked Cotto out in the 12th round to take his welterweight belt.

"Cotto is an elite fighter, and this is a very good fight for boxing," said Martinez, who is already back in the gym doing some light training after the win over Williams. "It's a big Latino fight. I will fight him at 155. I would love to fight Cotto. I have a lot of respect for him."

Said DiBella: "Cotto wouldn't be risking his 154-pound belt and would be getting a shot at the middleweight title. If Cotto loses, he goes back and defends his title in other big fights, like against Antonio Margarito [in a rematch] or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. If Cotto beats Martinez, it's a huge accomplishment. If he didn't win, he's still 154-[pound] champion and the Chavez and Margarito bouts are still there for him. It's like the Martinez fight is a free pass. Like he gets two bites at the apple."

DiBella said he and Martinez (46-2-2, 25 KOs) respect Cotto as "a true warrior, so if Martinez has to struggle a little bit to make 155, so be it. It might be a little bit uncomfortable, but he's not that far removed from fighting at junior middleweight. You know it would be a big fight."

Arum said he isn't going to rush into a deal until he sits down with Cotto and his team.

"I told Lou that Cotto is coming this weekend [to Top Rank's pay-per-view card on Saturday in Anaheim, Calif.] and I'm going to talk to him about his future plans," Arum said. "We'll talk about fights, including Martinez, and if that's a fight they want to pursue, I will pursue it."

Arum said he's more interested in matching Cotto with Margarito in a rematch of their 2008 slugfest, which Margarito won on an 11th-round TKO, although the victory is clouded by suspicions that he fought with loaded hand wraps, as he was caught trying to do in his next fight against Shane Mosley.

"I think the Martinez fight would interest us, but I think Miguel can make more money fighting the rematch with Margarito," Arum said. "My opinion is he should wait for Margarito because that's such a big fight and it will be as big as the first fight, and maybe bigger."

Cotto, however, has said repeatedly that he didn't want to fight Margarito again because he believed he cheated in their first fight. Also, a rematch with Margarito likely wouldn't take place until at least June, while Margarito recovers from the beating Pacquiao laid on him Nov. 13, and Cotto has said he is interested in fighting in the spring.

So if Cotto fights in the spring, and there's no Margarito rematch and no Chavez fight, that would seem to leave Martinez as his biggest viable option.
 
Interesting.

I'm wary of the middleweight title being defended at 155 but Martinez has fought comfortably at jr middle in the past so it's not a big decline. Hell, it's a new fight and not a rehash of the bullshit fights like Margarito-Cotto or Cotto-Pacquiao.
 
Interesting.

I'm wary of the middleweight title being defended at 155 but Martinez has fought comfortably at jr middle in the past so it's not a big decline. Hell, it's a new fight and not a rehash of the bullshit fights like Margarito-Cotto or Cotto-Pacquiao.

This could be a nice fight. But I dont understand why Cotto would not want to fight two dudes that beat the shit out of him. Not to mention fights that he could get his revenge and paid. I dont think anyone expects Cotto to beat Sergio. Either way it could be an interesting fight.
 
This could be a nice fight. But I dont understand why Cotto would not want to fight two dudes that beat the shit out of him. Not to mention fights that he could get his revenge and paid. I dont think anyone expects Cotto to beat Sergio. Either way it could be an interesting fight.

He could want to all day but why would anyone who makes money in boxing sign those fights? There is no real interest in Margarito now (not being able to sell 40k seats in Dallas shows that) and there was nothing in the first fight that says he could beat Pacquiao in a rematch. His best interest is to look elsewhere and maybe, maybe there's a Pacquiao rematch in the offering, if he wins and looks good doing it.
 
Interesting.

I'm wary of the middleweight title being defended at 155 but Martinez has fought comfortably at jr middle in the past so it's not a big decline. Hell, it's a new fight and not a rehash of the bullshit fights like Margarito-Cotto or Cotto-Pacquiao.

You know Martinez imo can get away with putting his title on the line at 155, if Cotto beats him, which I highly doubt, it would probably mean that it was a good fight and a hard fought win for Cotto. It would also set up a rematch and Sergio can make some money - which at his age is the bottom line right now, I mean no one else wants to fight him. And it's not like Cotto's calling the shots and making him come down so he'll have an easier time fighting him, this is Sergio and DiBella's call.

I'd have to give Sergio Ring Mag Fighter of the Year right now. He won the middleweight title - the real linear title while he was still the linear Jr. Middleweight champion and in the span of a lil over a year ko'd Cintron(we know), fought a highly entertaining fight with Williams that some would argue he won, fucked up Pavlik for the title and demolished Williams in the rematch. If Manny gets the award it'd just be pure politics. What I find disgusting is that the powers that be - instead of elevating this guy and giving him his shine - STRIPPED him so that fucking Manny Pacquiao and that disgusting prick Margarito, would have a belt to fight for. A belt that neither one of them did anything to deserve a shot at, so Manny could set a record. Instead of a guy who literally earned 2 championships in 2 different divisions in the same year and was ready to defend either.:smh::smh::angry::angry:
 
This could be a nice fight. But I dont understand why Cotto would not want to fight two dudes that beat the shit out of him. Not to mention fights that he could get his revenge and paid. I dont think anyone expects Cotto to beat Sergio. Either way it could be an interesting fight.

All three fights are good for Cotto but I'm not sure any of them are winnable for him. It will be interesting to see if there will be all this CATCHWEIGHT outrage as it would be Martinez's second catchweight bout to suit the terms of his challenger. I wonder if there will be another catchweight crusade where this time Cotto is lambasted for making poor Sergio Martinez weight drain his body. We all know last time when Martinez was so weakened from the catchweight against Paul Williams that it took him until the 2nd round to finally find the strength to knock him out. What a travesty!:lol:
 
I'd have to give Sergio Ring Mag Fighter of the Year right now. He won the middleweight title - the real linear title while he was still the linear Jr. Middleweight champion and in the span of a lil over a year ko'd Cintron(we know), fought a highly entertaining fight with Williams that some would argue he won, fucked up Pavlik for the title and demolished Williams in the rematch. If Manny gets the award it'd just be pure politics.

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I just dont get why he doesnt want antonio. Maybe he knows he did not cheat that night and feels he cant win. Same thing with Manny. It is possible he knows he cant win. And lost all in this if anyone deserves a rematch it is Yuri. JMM had to shots at Manny and failed to win qnd has nothing to blame the lost on. Cotto has really no proven claim to his defeats. Yet Yuri does. He messed up his knee. Maybe Cotto needs to give Yuri a shot at his belt before anyone else.
 
You know Martinez imo can get away with putting his title on the line at 155, if Cotto beats him, which I highly doubt, it would probably mean that it was a good fight and a hard fought win for Cotto. It would also set up a rematch and Sergio can make some money - which at his age is the bottom line right now, I mean no one else wants to fight him. And it's not like Cotto's calling the shots and making him come down so he'll have an easier time fighting him, this is Sergio and DiBella's call.

Agreed.

I'd have to give Sergio Ring Mag Fighter of the Year right now. He won the middleweight title - the real linear title while he was still the linear Jr. Middleweight champion and in the span of a lil over a year ko'd Cintron(we know), fought a highly entertaining fight with Williams that some would argue he won, fucked up Pavlik for the title and demolished Williams in the rematch. If Manny gets the award it'd just be pure politics. What I find disgusting is that the powers that be - instead of elevating this guy and giving him his shine - STRIPPED him so that fucking Manny Pacquiao and that disgusting prick Margarito, would have a belt to fight for. A belt that neither one of them did anything to deserve a shot at, so Manny could set a record. Instead of a guy who literally earned 2 championships in 2 different divisions in the same year and was ready to defend either.:smh::smh::angry::angry:

Manny's the "star" so I have him as the favorite to win but Sergio should win and hopefully the voters won't be starstruck and Martinez ko of Williams caught some attention.
 
Yet Yuri does. He messed up his knee. Maybe Cotto needs to give Yuri a shot at his belt before anyone else.

Not a bad idea but Yuri's going to need some high profile wins to get that fight. There's no money in fighting him so he's not going to get a Cotto rematch not with far more lucrative fights to be made.
 
All three fights are good for Cotto but I'm not sure any of them are winnable for him. It will be interesting to see if there will be all this CATCHWEIGHT outrage as it would be Martinez's second catchweight bout to suit the terms of his challenger. I wonder if there will be another catchweight crusade where this time Cotto is lambasted for making poor Sergio Martinez weight drain his body. We all know last time when Martinez was so weakened from the catchweight against Paul Williams that it took him until the 2nd round to finally find the strength to knock him out. What a travesty!:lol:

:hmm:You don't read well do you. This is Sergio and DiBella's call, THEY are calling out Cotto, Cotto didn't ask for a catchweight or a shot at the middleweight crown or a fight with Martinez. They went looking for Cotto since neither Pac nor Floyd want a part of him. You know - the same way Mosley told Roach and Pacquiao he'd drop down to 140 to fight and they wanted no part of him right after he demolished Margarito. But 2 bad fights later and suddenly team Pacman think it would be a great match.:hmm:
 
:hmm:You don't read well do you. This is Sergio and DiBella's call, THEY are calling out Cotto, Cotto didn't ask for a catchweight or a shot at the middleweight crown or a fight with Martinez. They went looking for Cotto since neither Pac nor Floyd want a part of him. You know - the same way Mosley told Roach and Pacquiao he'd drop down to 140 to fight and they wanted no part of him right after he demolished Margarito. But 2 bad fights later and suddenly team Pacman think it would be a great match.:hmm:




It's embarassing when cats try to be smartasses and fail, isn't it?:smh:

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Just watch the Caballero fight in it's entirety today. Dude looked bad. He got a rough and rugged fight like Andre Ward but failed badly. He obviously believes his own hype. If I were him, I'd beg for a rematch because he needs to get that back (if he can).
 
I just dont get why he doesnt want antonio. Maybe he knows he did not cheat that night and feels he cant win. Same thing with Manny. It is possible he knows he cant win. And lost all in this if anyone deserves a rematch it is Yuri. JMM had to shots at Manny and failed to win qnd has nothing to blame the lost on. Cotto has really no proven claim to his defeats. Yet Yuri does. He messed up his knee. Maybe Cotto needs to give Yuri a shot at his belt before anyone else.

Well lets look at it this way, before he got caught, he gave every elite fighter he fought hell, either a run for their money or an ass whipping. After he gets caught, he gets demolished by 2 elite fighters in a row. You do the math, it doesn't take a genius to see what happened.:hmm:
 
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Caught the Caballero fight from this weekend. Dude looked bad and mad cocky. His balance was poor and his shots were looping and lacked impact. He clearly was believing his own hype and earned that asswhooping. He was in the ring with a rough brawler, like Andre Ward the same weekend, and failed. If I was his advisor, I'd try to get a rematch by April. He needs that win back (if he can get it).
 
:hmm:You don't read well do you. This is Sergio and DiBella's call, THEY are calling out Cotto, Cotto didn't ask for a catchweight or a shot at the middleweight crown or a fight with Martinez. They went looking for Cotto since neither Pac nor Floyd want a part of him. You know - the same way Mosley told Roach and Pacquiao he'd drop down to 140 to fight and they wanted no part of him right after he demolished Margarito. But 2 bad fights later and suddenly team Pacman think it would be a great match.:hmm:

Whatever. No one told DLH to weigh 145lbs for Pac yet you still love to go on and on about how DLH was weight drained along with the rest of the guys. Whether it's Cotto making the terms or Martinez offering to come down, in the end it's still a catchweight fight. Apparently, your outrage about catchweight fights is only selective to Pacquiao.
 
Whatever. No one told DLH to weigh 145lbs for Pac yet you still love to go on and on about how DLH was weight drained along with the rest of the guys. Whether it's Cotto making the terms or Martinez offering to come down, in the end it's still a catchweight fight. Apparently, your outrage about catchweight fights is only selective to Pacquiao.

He's the only one being called the Greatest Fighter Ever and setting records with titles won at catchweights, get off his bandwagon already, you might as well go live in Manila dude, seriously. The difference is that team Pacquiao asked for it, had Oscar fought at that weight only a couple fights before - they probably would have balked. If he had ko'd Steve Forbes in 1, they probably would have balked. You keep trying to make this bullshit point that weight doesn't matter. It's a fallacy, face it, it's baseless. If it was a non issue, Freddie and Co. wouldn't ask for it. Freddie himself said he knew Oscar would be flat and the weight would affect him. He also said he knew the weight would negatively affect Cotto - who proved it by going up to 154 the very next fight and unofficially weighing 160 that night.
Face facts, they've been paving Pacquiao's road to greatness as smoothly as possible.

And apparently, your outrage about cherry-picked, easy set up fights is only selective to Mayweather.
 
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Caught the Caballero fight from this weekend. Dude looked bad and mad cocky. His balance was poor and his shots were looping and lacked impact. He clearly was believing his own hype and earned that asswhooping. He was in the ring with a rough brawler, like Andre Ward the same weekend, and failed. If I was his advisor, I'd try to get a rematch by April. He needs that win back (if he can get it).

Yeah, he's always looked that way to me though. That's why I never bought any of that dude's hype. One of the announcers, I don't remember which said, and I'm paraphrasing - "He looked better when he was fighting smaller guys" - HELLO!!!! I wonder why? JuanMa or Gamboa would straight up eat his food and I'm kind of hoping that either one of them takes the fight now just to shut him the fuck up. Props to Litzau though, he really wanted that fight, sometimes the little guy doesn't always get shitted on, I thought they'd rob him for sure.
 
He's the only one being called the Greatest Fighter Ever and setting records with titles won at catchweights, get off his bandwagon already, you might as well go live in Manila dude, seriously.


LMAO

You guys are funny.
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol:How dare you guys?

I've been in boxing forums since the 90's and this makes me know more about boxing than you guys. You know the same type of forums where guys said stuff like Hatton would KO Floyd.

Its clear you guys don't know history... catch weights have been used to make big fights. Its not like someone is claiming a weight class for almost two years and has used catch weight as leverage in all his fights at that weight except for the one fighter with the least success. Its not like any one has every complained about someone fighting real welter weights.

By the way, I don't understand why Cotto would even consider Martinez. Pac beat the brakes off Cotto but who knows with the extra weight Steward might be able to train a chin unto Cotto. Who needs rematches to close fights when you have rematches like this. There is no guarantee that Cotto will get folded like a pimp's ho money.

Margarito is different. It not like Cotto made the pledge not to let Margarito make money with him any more. Or like Margs took two bad "L" after being caught cheating. I mean the boxing world gives Marg more value than Martinez and a win over Martinez won't redeem anything for Cotto.

Plus Cotto should rematch Foreman cause it wasn't like Cotto won every round before the knee injury.

You guys are bugging:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol:How dare you guys?

I've been in boxing forums since the 90's and this makes me know more about boxing than you guys. You know the same type of forums where guys said stuff like Hatton would KO Floyd.

Its clear you guys don't know history... catch weights have been used to make big fights. Its not like someone is claiming a weight class for almost two years and has used catch weight as leverage in all his fights at that weight except for the one fighter with the least success. Its not like any one has every complained about someone fighting real welter weights.

By the way, I don't understand why Cotto would even consider Martinez. Pac beat the brakes off Cotto but who knows with the extra weight Steward might be able to train a chin unto Cotto. Who needs rematches to close fights when you have rematches like this. There is no guarantee that Cotto will get folded like a pimp's ho money.

Margarito is different. It not like Cotto made the pledge not to let Margarito make money with him any more. Or like Margs took two bad "L" after being caught cheating. I mean the boxing world gives Marg more value than Martinez and a win over Martinez won't redeem anything for Cotto.

Plus Cotto should rematch Foreman cause it wasn't like Cotto won every round before the knee injury.


You guys are bugging:lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
 

What is you problem? You just don't get it. This is my opinion.

Cotto should fight Margarito. It is the best option cause in the best case scenario for Cotto he can pay Margarito a big check to prove that Margs put Cotto's life in danger that first fight by cheating. Its a win/win for everybody especially the fans who get the joy of watching another Margarito fight without his hammer hands.

You are bugging:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
What is you problem? You just don't get it. This is my opinion.

Cotto should fight Margarito. It is the best option cause in the best case scenario for Cotto he can pay Margarito a big check to prove that Margs put Cotto's life in danger that first fight by cheating. Its a win/win for everybody especially the fans who get the joy of watching another Margarito fight without his hammer hands.

You are bugging:lol::lol::lol::lol:

What was I thinking?:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Yeah, he's always looked that way to me though. That's why I never bought any of that dude's hype. One of the announcers, I don't remember which said, and I'm paraphrasing - "He looked better when he was fighting smaller guys" - HELLO!!!! I wonder why? JuanMa or Gamboa would straight up eat his food and I'm kind of hoping that either one of them takes the fight now just to shut him the fuck up. Props to Litzau though, he really wanted that fight, sometimes the little guy doesn't always get shitted on, I thought they'd rob him for sure.

I thought he was a light puncher but he looked really bad that fight. And if he can't make that weight, he's got no real prospects moving up except getting his chin rocked.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:How dare you guys?

I've been in boxing forums since the 90's and this makes me know more about boxing than you guys. You know the same type of forums where guys said stuff like Hatton would KO Floyd.

Its clear you guys don't know history... catch weights have been used to make big fights. Its not like someone is claiming a weight class for almost two years and has used catch weight as leverage in all his fights at that weight except for the one fighter with the least success. Its not like any one has every complained about someone fighting real welter weights.

By the way, I don't understand why Cotto would even consider Martinez. Pac beat the brakes off Cotto but who knows with the extra weight Steward might be able to train a chin unto Cotto. Who needs rematches to close fights when you have rematches like this. There is no guarantee that Cotto will get folded like a pimp's ho money.

Margarito is different. It not like Cotto made the pledge not to let Margarito make money with him any more. Or like Margs took two bad "L" after being caught cheating. I mean the boxing world gives Marg more value than Martinez and a win over Martinez won't redeem anything for Cotto.

Plus Cotto should rematch Foreman cause it wasn't like Cotto won every round before the knee injury.

You guys are bugging:lol::lol::lol::lol:

What is you problem? You just don't get it. This is my opinion.

Cotto should fight Margarito. It is the best option cause in the best case scenario for Cotto he can pay Margarito a big check to prove that Margs put Cotto's life in danger that first fight by cheating. Its a win/win for everybody especially the fans who get the joy of watching another Margarito fight without his hammer hands.

You are bugging:lol::lol::lol::lol:



:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
 
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