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Malcolm X or Martin Luther King?

MALCOLM X or MARTIN LUTHER KING? Who is your favourite and WHY?

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but both cant be equal could they?

surely one must have had a hiuge impact on your life in some ways or another
 
Why can't both men be a favorite and it just be left at that???

Why must black folks be required to take sides on every damn thing???
 
XXXplosive said:
Why can't both men be a favorite and it just be left at that???

Why must black folks be required to take sides on every damn thing???
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umm yeah... i'm siding with XXX on this one
 
Both of them.... They were both different with their approach, but they were both very relevant and necessary. They both embodied the 'Truth' of the times and the truth hurts, and for it, they were both killed. They were both strong men that stood up for what they believed in, and paid the ultimate sacrifice for those beliefs.
 
MLK over X
The crackas woulda never let loose based on X's aproach alone...

Besides, you reap what you sow. If there had been a black revolution, it wouldn't have been good for anybody.

Off course hormonally charged young black men will pick X
 
Jane & Finch said:
Stop pitting Black people against each other.

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Back in the 60s mainstream America wasn't ready for the fiery rhetoric of Malcolm. Martin was more palatable to white America. His speeches and marches and rallys accomplished more than Malcolm's "Rise Up" talk could've ever done.

But that was then. You could say what we have today in America's African American communities is the result of Martin's work. There are many success stories but there are also a lot of lost souls. Today we just might need Malcolm's sharp tongue and no nonsense manner (pre Mecca) if only to show ouselves that we as a people are a force to be reckoned with. If I had to stand shoulder to shoulder with someone TODAY it would be Malcolm X all day every day. And just as sure as the sun rises we'd probably go down but that would inspire more to stand tall in our shoes and carry on
 
XXXplosive said:
Why can't both men be a favorite and it just be left at that???

Why must black folks be required to take sides on every damn thing???
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Good one.
 
Malcolm seemed more in tune with the spirit of the proletariat / working class, he pushed us all to be aware of the anti-colonial movements all around the world (in the spirit of Dubois), he argued for a mature approach to self-defense in the spirit of Robert F. Williams and the Deacons of Defense, and he came from an NOI tradition which inherited the mantle of Marcus Mosiah Garvey's cultural self-definition, economic self-reliance and organizational models.

Martin was more a product of the black bourgeoisie, but the best aspects of it--he also had an internationalist influence via Howard Thurman for non-violent struggle, as practiced in India, and refined the art of the boycott to a masterful level (something we seem to have lost.) He used the black church as a vehicle for inspiration and organization, and he used the black preaching tradition and the common ground of American religious and ethical thought to push all America to be accountable for the lofty ideals expressed in its own Founding documents.

You need both the working-class and middle class, proletariat and bourgeoisie for any successful revolutionary movement to take place.

That's what made them so perfect as foils, and such a huge threat when they both began to put feelers out on how to join forces.
 
both was good for what they was tryin to get across,

King " We want the right to sit at the front of the bus"

X " We want the right to choose if we want to sit at the front
or the back of the bus"

Two great message in the own right,
King with the church background, X with the NOI background.
 
Malcolm's focus was primarally black people whereas Martin Luther King found good in all people and wanted to bring all people together. Something he was very successful at doing. For the long haul, I think Martin had a much bigger impact on the nation. In as much as I resepct Malcolm X and the good he did, if I had to choose, I'd pick Martin Luther King Jr.

-VG
 
I was listening to Malcolm's Bullet or Ballot Speech once again and i have to say that that Malcolm spoke about the same things that are happening now.

I think Malcolm was a bigger threat to WHITES than Martin and thats why Whites had to resort to potraying him as the radical or the bad guy while deep down many black people could relate to Malcolm.Knowing white people, sometimes Violence is the language they understand and history has proved that
 
I love and respect both, but Martin gave me hope, and X put the battery in my back... he gave me strength so thats why I lean on Malcom a bit more...
 
FROM BALLOT OR BULLET SPEECH MALCOLM said:

Well, I am one who doesn't believe in deluding myself. I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a diner, unless you eat some of what's on that plate. Being here in America doesn't make you an American. Being born here in America doesn't make you an American. Why, if birth made you American, you wouldn't need any legislation; you wouldn't need any amendments to the Constitution; you wouldn't be faced with civil-rights filibustering in Washington, D.C., right now. They don't have to pass civil-rights legislation to make a Polack an American.

No, I'm not an American. I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I'm not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag-waver - no, not I. I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.[/B]

I am sure whites had to do something about him
 
Malcolm X all the way!!!!

i was having a debate with someone about these two (Malcolm and Martin). i said that Martin Luther King was a christian peacher who strongly belived in this whitemans "christianity" which sole purpose was to passify, control and opress blacks. if you look at what Martin did it is very evident that his actions where very passive and he never really did what needed to be done.

Malcolm X on the other hand, was a Black Muslim which preached about taking action and under his influence you have groups like the Black Panthers. Malcolm was a more effective and intelligent leader in the sense that he knew what needed to be done and was not afraid to do it. he never talked about being passive because thats not the language these white people understand.

then she said it is better to use your intellect and practice nonviolence and basically took my words about Martin Luther King and the Black Church as blasphemy.

i stated that if someone uses violence against you it is ONLY right that you practice SELF DEFENSE. i put it in terms as:

if Martin luther king was the leader of the american forces in the american revolution we would not have an america today, for the british would have tooken the necissary precautions. but since he was not the americans did what needed to be done and stood up for themselves and have america in result.

then i said. this christian religion you love so much was given to you and Martin Kuther King to control you and you and him are living proof. when they (they = white people) see what needs to be done they never hesitate but you and Martin on the other hand, do as a result of the whitemans mindcontrol.
 
Mr Lucifer said:
MLK over X
The crackas woulda never let loose based on X's aproach alone...

Besides, you reap what you sow. If there had been a black revolution, it wouldn't have been good for anybody.

Off course hormonally charged young black men will pick X
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Your an idiot!!!
It's funny you label anyone who picks malcolm ''hormonally charged'' when MLK the known adulterer, it seems, couldn't control his hormones. Oh the irony.

Back on topic. The difference between these two is Malcolm X wanted full advancement and basic equality for black people before even considering dialogue with whites (rightly).

MLK was prepared to wait for whites to treat him equally, prepared to be beaten, hosed, jailed and threatened. Considering both these attitudes i'm more inclined to brother malcolms view but i appreciate both men because they ultimately wanted the same thing.


BOTH WERE BROTHERS STRUGGLING FOR US!!!!

 
I think VIOLENCE is the only language white people understand and Malcolm was a bigger threat to whites than Martin was ever was

and thats why Whites felt more at home with Martin than Malcolm
 
bill_cosby said:
Back on topic. The difference between these two is Malcolm X wanted full advancement and basic equality for black people before even considering dialogue with whites (rightly).

MLK was prepared to wait for whites to treat him equally, prepared to be beaten, hosed, jailed and threatened. Considering both these attitudes i'm more inclined to brother malcolms view but i appreciate both men because they ultimately wanted the same thing.
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That's truth.I'm all for Malcolm. I believe that 1,000 Malcolms could do more than 1,000 Martins.

It's like this, unless you take what you want then your only going to get what they give you. Martin's advancements (thank you for them) were what white people allowed, just enough to make us feel good.


I truly believe that if they're were more people that were sided with Malcolm than more of our issues could have been resolved. But a lot of people saw that he was a Muslim so how can you side with someone that doesn't believe in the same beliefs that I have.

Me, I'm no Christian, raised one, but I feel too much that something isn't right about it. That's why I need to get my head in a book
 
PhillyDieHard said:
That's truth.I'm all for Malcolm. I believe that 1,000 Malcolms could do more than 1,000 Martins.

It's like this, unless you take what you want then your only going to get what they give you. Martin's advancements (thank you for them) were what white people allowed, just enough to make us feel good.


I truly believe that if they're were more people that were sided with Malcolm than more of our issues could have been resolved. But a lot of people saw that he was a Muslim so how can you side with someone that doesn't believe in the same beliefs that I have.

Me, I'm no Christian, raised one, but I feel too much that something isn't right about it. That's why I need to get my head in a book
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i CO SIGN
 
Which King are you guys talking about? The "I Have a Dream" one or the real one?

"In 1963...in Washington, D.C. I Tried to talk to the nation about a dream that I had had, and I must confess...that not long after talking about that dream I started seeing it turn into a nightmare...just a few weeks after I had talked about it. I watched that dream turn into a nightmare when four beautiful...Negro girls were murdered in a church in Birmingham, Alabama. I watched that dream turn into a nightmare as I moved through the ghettos of the nation and saw black brothers and sisters perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity, and saw the nation doing nothing to grapple with the Negroes' problem of poverty. I saw that dream turn into a nightmare as I watched my black brothers and sisters in the midst of anger and understandable outrage, in the midst of their hurt, in the midst of their disappointment, turn to misguided riots to try to solve that problem. I saw the dream turn into a nightmare as I watched the war in Vietnam escalating....Yes, I am personally the victim of deferred dreams, of blasted hopes. (ATL, December 24, 1967)

“I must say today that racial injustice is still the black man's burden and the white man's shame. It is an unhappy truth that racism is a way of life for the vast majority of White Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle -- the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic. (Remaining Awake Through A Great Revolution, March 1968)

The policy makers of the white society have caused the darkness; they created discrimination, they created slums; they perpetuated unemployment, ignorance and poverty. It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us do declare that the white man does not abide by the law in the ghettos. Day in and day out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments, he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of laws; he violates laws of equal employment and education and the provisions for civil services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society, Negroes live in them, but they do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison. (The Role of the Behavioral Scientist in the Civil Rights Movement, 1967).

"Of the good things in life, the Negro has approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of all Negroes live in substandard housing. And Negroes have half the income of whites and there are twice as many unemployed. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools receive substantially less money per student than the white schools. Only one-twentieth as many Negroes as whites attend college. (Where Do We Go From Here, 1967)

"I believe we will have to find the militant middle between riots on the one hand and weak and timid supplication for justice on the other hand. That middle ground, I believe, is civil disobedience. It can be aggressive but nonviolent; it can dislocate but not destroy. (The Role of the Behavioral Scientist in the Civil Rights Movement, 1967)
 
hustleman08 said:
Which King are you guys talking about? The "I Have a Dream" one or the real one?

"In 1963...in Washington, D.C. I Tried to talk to the nation about a dream that I had had, and I must confess...that not long after talking about that dream I started seeing it turn into a nightmare...just a few weeks after I had talked about it. I watched that dream turn into a nightmare when four beautiful...Negro girls were murdered in a church in Birmingham, Alabama. I watched that dream turn into a nightmare as I moved through the ghettos of the nation and saw black brothers and sisters perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity, and saw the nation doing nothing to grapple with the Negroes' problem of poverty. I saw that dream turn into a nightmare as I watched my black brothers and sisters in the midst of anger and understandable outrage, in the midst of their hurt, in the midst of their disappointment, turn to misguided riots to try to solve that problem. I saw the dream turn into a nightmare as I watched the war in Vietnam escalating....Yes, I am personally the victim of deferred dreams, of blasted hopes. (ATL, December 24, 1967)

“I must say today that racial injustice is still the black man's burden and the white man's shame. It is an unhappy truth that racism is a way of life for the vast majority of White Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle -- the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic. (Remaining Awake Through A Great Revolution, March 1968)

The policy makers of the white society have caused the darkness; they created discrimination, they created slums; they perpetuated unemployment, ignorance and poverty. It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us do declare that the white man does not abide by the law in the ghettos. Day in and day out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments, he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of laws; he violates laws of equal employment and education and the provisions for civil services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society, Negroes live in them, but they do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison. (The Role of the Behavioral Scientist in the Civil Rights Movement, 1967).

"Of the good things in life, the Negro has approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of all Negroes live in substandard housing. And Negroes have half the income of whites and there are twice as many unemployed. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools receive substantially less money per student than the white schools. Only one-twentieth as many Negroes as whites attend college. (Where Do We Go From Here, 1967)

"I believe we will have to find the militant middle between riots on the one hand and weak and timid supplication for justice on the other hand. That middle ground, I believe, is civil disobedience. It can be aggressive but nonviolent; it can dislocate but not destroy. (The Role of the Behavioral Scientist in the Civil Rights Movement, 1967)
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Thanks for this, i heard about that deferred dreams comment but never saw it word for word. Props on the other quotes too, theres to many quotables in this post to highlight them all. Again, props!!
 
DaleMabry said:
Malcolm seemed more in tune with the spirit of the proletariat / working class, he pushed us all to be aware of the anti-colonial movements all around the world (in the spirit of Dubois), he argued for a mature approach to self-defense in the spirit of Robert F. Williams and the Deacons of Defense, and he came from an NOI tradition which inherited the mantle of Marcus Mosiah Garvey's cultural self-definition, economic self-reliance and organizational models.

Martin was more a product of the black bourgeoisie, but the best aspects of it--he also had an internationalist influence via Howard Thurman for non-violent struggle, as practiced in India, and refined the art of the boycott to a masterful level (something we seem to have lost.) He used the black church as a vehicle for inspiration and organization, and he used the black preaching tradition and the common ground of American religious and ethical thought to push all America to be accountable for the lofty ideals expressed in its own Founding documents.

You need both the working-class and middle class, proletariat and bourgeoisie for any successful revolutionary movement to take place.

That's what made them so perfect as foils, and such a huge threat when they both began to put feelers out on how to join forces.
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bill_cosby said:
Your an idiot!!!
It's funny you label anyone who picks malcolm ''hormonally charged'' when MLK the known adulterer, it seems, couldn't control his hormones. Oh the irony.

Back on topic. The difference between these two is Malcolm X wanted full advancement and basic equality for black people before even considering dialogue with whites (rightly).

MLK was prepared to wait for whites to treat him equally, prepared to be beaten, hosed, jailed and threatened. Considering both these attitudes i'm more inclined to brother malcolms view but i appreciate both men because they ultimately wanted the same thing.


BOTH WERE BROTHERS STRUGGLING FOR US!!!!

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That photo was\is the white mans nightmare and the nightmare of the Toms
 

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