Malcolm X is overrated

[Black A. Camus]

A lot of people tend to overrate Malcolm X. In a thread about his Birthday, someone called him the greatest Black American ever. However, he died before he had a chance to be great. Moreover, he died before he could undo all of the harm that he did to Black America. He harmed scores of Black Americans by converting them to a false religion. Moreover, he harmed Black Americans by advocating retaliatory violence against whites.

The Nation of Islam (N.O.I.) is a false religion. Any religion that advocates hatred, even if it’s hate against prejudiced white people, is a false religion. Malcolm X realized and admitted this when he converted to true Islam, after his journey to the Middle East. Malcolm X died before he could spread the truth to all the souls he tainted with false religion.

Most Black Americans revere Malcolm X because of the revolutionary message he spread while he was a member of the Nation of Islam. He spread his message of retaliatory violence during America’s shameful and pitiful Jim Crow era. It is laudably significant that Malcolm X was a figurehead of a segment of Black Americans who organized for the purpose of violently resisting the violence perpetuated on them. It is significant, but at the same time such violence is tactically imprudent.

It’s tactically imprudent for a minority to advocate violence until it exhausts all other means of resistance, unless the minority receives military foreign aide. Whenever Black people talk about revolution it is important to realize that we have never comprised more than 13% of America’s population (look at census reports). Within that 13% maybe 3, or 4, percent supported the Nation of Islam’s retaliatory violence approach. Moreover, Black people are non-indigenous Americans in the sense that we are not white, and cannot covertly blend into America’s populace. Hence, had Black retaliatory violence become a problem in America, its government would undoubtedly have rounded Blacks up into camps, just like it did to Japanese Americans during WWII. All of this is why retaliatory violence by Black Americans is imprudent.

Whether or not he would have agreed with this rationale against retaliatory violence, he did not advocate once he converted to True Islam. Had he had the chance to thoroughly spread the truth once he made this reformation, I believe that he would have been one of the greatest, not only Black Americans, but one of the greatest Americans period. Unfortunately, he died before he could achieve true greatness. That’s why I believe he’s overrated.

 

[Andeyhollawho]

Here's what they think about ya!

 

[Andeyhollawho]

Meet violence with violence. Doesn't seem too far fetched to me. White people met non-violence with violence for 400 years.

Stand together before you try to stand with others. No argument here. We STILL can't stand together. We complain about music and entertainment being so bad, but WE won't even ban up and start our own distribution company.

Put the black dollar in the black neighbor hood. Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Italian...plenty more do it. Why is it so radical that maybe we should too?

Why is any of this shit radical to you? This is what the man preached. It was just a manifesto to put us in a prominent position for the future.

But all people remember is the violent shit. He didn't say be violent just for the hell of it. If you want to talk then talk. But don't sit me down to talk and then bring out the guns. Hell we got guns too. We'll just bring them just in case you bullshitting.

 

[Heist]

Go shoot yourself in the face.

 

[Clubdawg]

shakin my head....your joking right!!

look without Brother Malcolm ...Dr King would of never accomplished what he did(and I mean when the white power structure looked at their options Malcolm or Martin....nuff said!!) White FOLKS were scared of MALCOLM and he wasn't Scared of them!!

 

[jblaque]

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[Strait_Laced]

if anything, malcolm is *underrated*...given the times he grew up in, to take the extreme positions he took is almost unheard of...and no such positions are actively taken even now

as far as your premise...the fbi sure didn't think so

 

[ThaAnsa3]

The only part of this that I agree with is that he did die before he could truly become great. Other than that, the rest of it is just your opinion and I think its a bit misguided. I could elaborate, but I just don't have the time. It is refreshing, however, to read something not porn related every now and again.

 

[Cruise]

It’s tactically imprudent for a minority to advocate violence until it exhausts all other means of resistance, unless the minority receives military foreign aide.

Can you say South Africa????

You obviously know very little about the US during the 60s to think this way about Malcolm X.

Martin did his thing in the South with non-violence.
Malcolm did his thing in the North with threats of violence.

It was a two-pronged attack which allows people like you to enjoy your liberties today (and I mean ALL, including the honkies).

You can't have one without the other.

 

[Black A. Camus]

Meet violence with violence. Doesn't seem too far fetched to me. White people met non-violence with violence for 400 years

I agree with you. However, the point I tried to make is that Black people are a minority. Militarily, there is no way that Black Americans can achieve anything in America by resorting to violence. Like I said, we only comprise 13% of the population, and we are a diverse race. What percentage of that 13% would actually take up arms against white America?

Moreover, what would happen to the Black Americans who did take up arms against white America? We don’t have access to enough weapons or technology to overcome America’s military. Referring back to Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam, they simply would have been slaughtered had they try to fight America’s military back then. They didn’t have tanks, or anti-tank munitions, nor did they have biological weapons or thing else that would have forced America to acquiesce to, or negotiate with, the Nation of Islam. Perhaps the Nation of Islam would have been a threat if they could have received military aide from a nation with the weapons and technology capable of countering America’s arsenal. However, back then, the only Nation with such weapons was the Soviet Union, which the Nation of Islam doctrinally alienated itself from with its ‘white people are the devil,’ statements. As a side note, I’ve always deemed that brothers such as Richard Wright, and James Baldwin, who were associated with communist, had more of a chance of staging a revolution in America than Malcolm and the Nation of Islam.

But all people remember is the violent shit. He didn't say be violent just for the hell of it. If you want to talk then talk. But don't sit me down to talk and then bring out the guns. Hell we got guns too. We'll just bring them just in case you bullshitting.

Again, I agree with you. But I would argue that his selling point, what made him such an icon, was the violence he preached. It had validity because of the period of time in which he preached it, which was during the Jim Crow era when Black people were still being lynched and denied basic civil rights.

Martin Luther King spoke about economics in the Black community too. But his platform was non-violence, which is why he was credible and his message was tenable.

 

[Black A. Camus]

Can you say South Africa????

You obviously know very little about the US during the 60s to think this way about Malcolm X.

Martin did his thing in the South with non-violence.
Malcolm did his thing in the North with threats of violence.

It was a two-pronged attack which allows people like you to enjoy your liberties today (and I mean ALL, including the honkies).

You can't have one without the other.

Seriously, I appreciate that you don't agree with me. And I know that I don't know everything, and I enjoy gaining new knowledge. Still what you are saying is very non-persuasive. What does South Africa have to do with Black American's during the civil rights era? Seriously, how can you compare the plight of indigenous Africans in their own country being oppressed by whites who are the minority there?

Secondly, what do you mean that it was a two pronged attack? That implies that they coordinated and planned together. If that is what you are saying that is very untrue.

 

[Black A. Camus]

if anything, malcolm is *underrated*...given the times he grew up in, to take the extreme positions he took is almost unheard of...and no such positions are actively taken even now

as far as your premise...the fbi sure didn't think so

The F.B.I. spied on Malcolm true. But it also spied on other Black leaders, such as Martin Luther King. Like I said already, the government feared brothers such as Richard Wright, and others associated with the communist party, far more than it did Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam.

 

[Mr. Met]

Here's what they think about ya!

Well said.

 

[Cruise]

Seriously, I appreciate that you don't agree with me. And I know that I don't know everything, and I enjoy gaining new knowledge. Still what you are saying is very non-persuasive. What do you mean that it was a two pronged attack? That implies that they coordinated and planned together. If that is what you are saying that is very untrue.

First, most good things in life are unplanned and unexpected.

"Whites" could not have planeed the successful destruction of our community. Their continued attacks just got the results they wanted.

The attacks of Martin and Malcolm was not planned, but got the results where everyone benefits.

I am quite sure neither expected things to turn out the way they did (Martin wanted a colorblind society, Malcolm wanted a separate sovereign state).

Yet, the result is the society which exists today.

They affected US history for every person living in this country, to this day.

Even honkies have to admit Malcom X was a force (then and now).

It's just too bad no one like him exists for this generation.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Respect

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

A lot of people tend to overrate Malcolm X. In a thread about his Birthday, someone called him the greatest Black American ever. However, he died before he had a chance to be great. Moreover, he died before he could undo all of the harm that he did to Black America. He harmed scores of Black Americans by converting them to a false religion. Moreover, he harmed Black Americans by advocating retaliatory violence against whites.

The Nation of Islam (N.O.I.) is a false religion. Any religion that advocates hatred, even if it’s hate against prejudiced white people, is a false religion. Malcolm X realized and admitted this when he converted to true Islam, after his journey to the Middle East. Malcolm X died before he could spread the truth to all the souls he tainted with false religion.

Most Black Americans revere Malcolm X because of the revolutionary message he spread while he was a member of the Nation of Islam. He spread his message of retaliatory violence during America’s shameful and pitiful Jim Crow era. It is laudably significant that Malcolm X was a figurehead of a segment of Black Americans who organized for the purpose of violently resisting the violence perpetuated on them. It is significant, but at the same time such violence is tactically imprudent.

It’s tactically imprudent for a minority to advocate violence until it exhausts all other means of resistance, unless the minority receives military foreign aide. Whenever Black people talk about revolution it is important to realize that we have never comprised more than 13% of America’s population (look at census reports). Within that 13% maybe 3, or 4, percent supported the Nation of Islam’s retaliatory violence approach. Moreover, Black people are non-indigenous Americans in the sense that we are not white, and cannot covertly blend into America’s populace. Hence, had Black retaliatory violence become a problem in America, its government would undoubtedly have rounded Blacks up into camps, just like it did to Japanese Americans during WWII. All of this is why retaliatory violence by Black Americans is imprudent.

Whether or not he would have agreed with this rationale against retaliatory violence, he did not advocate once he converted to True Islam. Had he had the chance to thoroughly spread the truth once he made this reformation, I believe that he would have been one of the greatest, not only Black Americans, but one of the greatest Americans period. Unfortunately, he died before he could achieve true greatness. That’s why I believe he’s overrated.

Eloquent but you calling him overrated is just your opinion. There is NOTHING overrated about an African American willing to fight white oppression. In fact, people like that TODAY are at a premium because we are truly facing a crossroads to self genocide

 

[water]

Eloquent but you calling him overrated is just your opinion. There is NOTHING overrated about an African American willing to fight white oppression. In fact, people like that TODAY are at a premium

Well said................

 

[HighTech]

A lot of people tend to overrate Malcolm X. In a thread about his Birthday, someone called him the greatest Black American ever. However, he died before he had a chance to be great. Moreover, he died before he could undo all of the harm that he did to Black America. He harmed scores of Black Americans by converting them to a false religion. Moreover, he harmed Black Americans by advocating retaliatory violence against whites.

The Nation of Islam (N.O.I.) is a false religion. Any religion that advocates hatred, even if it’s hate against prejudiced white people, is a false religion. Malcolm X realized and admitted this when he converted to true Islam, after his journey to the Middle East. Malcolm X died before he could spread the truth to all the souls he tainted with false religion.

Most Black Americans revere Malcolm X because of the revolutionary message he spread while he was a member of the Nation of Islam. He spread his message of retaliatory violence during America’s shameful and pitiful Jim Crow era. It is laudably significant that Malcolm X was a figurehead of a segment of Black Americans who organized for the purpose of violently resisting the violence perpetuated on them. It is significant, but at the same time such violence is tactically imprudent.

It’s tactically imprudent for a minority to advocate violence until it exhausts all other means of resistance, unless the minority receives military foreign aide. Whenever Black people talk about revolution it is important to realize that we have never comprised more than 13% of America’s population (look at census reports). Within that 13% maybe 3, or 4, percent supported the Nation of Islam’s retaliatory violence approach. Moreover, Black people are non-indigenous Americans in the sense that we are not white, and cannot covertly blend into America’s populace. Hence, had Black retaliatory violence become a problem in America, its government would undoubtedly have rounded Blacks up into camps, just like it did to Japanese Americans during WWII. All of this is why retaliatory violence by Black Americans is imprudent.

Whether or not he would have agreed with this rationale against retaliatory violence, he did not advocate once he converted to True Islam. Had he had the chance to thoroughly spread the truth once he made this reformation, I believe that he would have been one of the greatest, not only Black Americans, but one of the greatest Americans period. Unfortunately, he died before he could achieve true greatness. That’s why I believe he’s overrated.

Your clearly talking about my post so for anyone who missed it here's what i said:

It is today the birthday of greatest amerikkkan (IMO) ever!

It's a shame this great mans birthday doesn't get more acknowledgement. There has not been a better orator to come out of amerikkka, there has not been a fiercer fighter for the freedom of the Black people of amerikkka.

For how many years were Black ''leaders'' asking ''please mista white man give me some bread'' before the 60’s???
It’s no coincidence that progress was made in regard to Black peoples rights in amerikkka when Malcolm came along. His ''give it to me or i'll take it'' doctrine scared the live out of the white establishment, who for too long had been told ''i'll wait boss'' by the passive (almost spineless) Black ''leaders''.

Without this GREAT man there would be no Black Panther Party that would inspire oppressed peoples around the world, there would be no ''Black is beautiful'' movement that instilled racial pride in the Afrikan diasporic people.

It's a shame (disgrace) that a landmark such as this mans birthday is not celebrated or acknowledged by the people he fought so hard for (and ultimatley died for).

Malcolm X was/is a rarity in amerikkka. A Black man who dismissed (not embraced) any form of reliance on white people, who time and time again have shown they couldn’t care less about Black people.
A Black man who embraced (not dismissed) the thought of the amerikkkan Afrikan diaspora having their own country, controlling their own affairs, not being involved in anymore WHITE imperialist wars (korea, vietnam, iraq), not being deliberately disproportionately jailed, not having their communities deliberately riddled with drugs (CRACK), not being left to rot in times of crisis (katrina).
Malcolm is the greatest amerikkkan ever (IMO) because, as it has turned out, he was SO unamerikkkan!!!

Your whole argument for why he can't be considered great is full of flaws and misinfomation.
The fact he wasn't another Black amerikkkan begging crackas for ''equality'' puts him above most of the so-called Black ''leaders'' anyway. Like i said before, for how long were Black people in amerikkka begging for HUMAN rights with no responce, with no real ''progress''??? It's no coincedence that ''progress'' was made when Malcolm DEMANDED his basic human rights. Only when Malcolm did what those other Black ''leaders'' were scared do (have balls and not be racial subservient) did white people buck up their ideas!!! Coincedence? No!

Again, like i said before Malcolm X's legacy is way more than the NOI, there would be no Black Panther Party (revered by oppressed people worldwide), no Bobby Seale, no Fred Hampton, no Stokley Carmicheal. Without Malcolm there would be no ''Black is beatiful'' movement giving Black amerikkans (who had been told they were hideous beasts by dirty crakkkas for hundreds of years) some racial pride in their Afrikan features. NO-ONE ELSE WAS TELLING BLACK PEOPLE TO BE UNEQUIVOCALLY PROUD OF THEIR HERITAGE AND THEMSELVES!

You say malcolm changed his stance after he left the NOI but you've shown you don't know what your talking about. Malcolm made his famous ''ballot or bullet'' speech (LINK )after leaving the NOI. The only change he made in his pursuit of Black indepence was to seperate religion and politics. He created the Muslim Mosque, Inc to be a seperate religious entity from his political group the Organization of Afro-American Unity (OAAU).
For you to pretend he made 360 when he returned from mecca also is wrong. He stated if white people converted to islam maybe black and white could co-exist peacefully and equally, ONLY THEN. It's a disgrace or lousy interpretation skills on your part that you would say he changed his views.

I'm gonna quote myself one more time to make it clear why Malcolm was great:

Malcolm X was/is a rarity in amerikkka. A Black man who dismissed (not embraced) any form of reliance on white people, who time and time again have shown they couldn’t care less about Black people.
A Black man who embraced (not dismissed) the thought of the amerikkkan Afrikan diaspora having their own country, controlling their own affairs, not being involved in anymore WHITE imperialist wars (korea, vietnam, iraq), not being deliberately disproportionately jailed, not having their communities deliberately riddled with drugs (CRACK), not being left to rot in times of crisis (katrina).
Malcolm is the greatest amerikkkan ever (IMO) because, as it has turned out, he was SO unamerikkkan!!!

Name me someone in amerikkka's foul and bloody history who's been greater for Black people than Macolm X????

 

[Mr.Bizkits]

Malcolm X???Overrated???

Bullshit

Black A. Camus, I want you to do me a huge favor. I want you to go on a field trip to your local mall, basketball court, movie theater or whatever. Your mission is to find a group of black kids and ask them what they know about Malcolm X.

(I can hear the crickets now)

I take it from me, I used to be a counselor at the boys and girls club, I've talked to alot of black teens about history and contents of the texts books. Most kids today know what he looks like and his poster of him holding the gun looking out the window, but no ones anything about his message and what his purpose was about.

If anything, Malcolm X and all other black leaders besides Martin Luther King are underrated.

 

[Black A. Camus]

First, most good things in life are unplanned and unexpected.

"Whites" could not have planeed the successful destruction of our community. Their continued attacks just got the results they wanted.

The attacks of Martin and Malcolm was not planned, but got the results where everyone benefits.

I am quite sure neither expected things to turn out the way they did (Martin wanted a colorblind society, Malcolm wanted a separate sovereign state).

Yet, the result is the society which exists today.

They affected US history for every person living in this country, to this day.

Even honkies have to admit Malcom X was a force (then and now).

It's just too bad no one like him exists for this generation.

When you mention our community and whites you have to consider our history in relation to whites. Tersely, whites justified slavery because they deemed us inhuman. That's what race relations between whites and Blacks in America stem from. Even President Lincoln claimed that Blacks were not equal to whites, and he admitted that if he could have preserved the union without emancipating our ancestors he would have. Thankfully, he emancipated our ancestors despite the fact that he was a bigot.

After slavery the reconstruction period began. Congress vetoed the president and ratified the 14th and 15th Amendments. Still, especially in the South, Freedmen on a State sponsored level--I'd argue, whites socially and economically treated Blacks as inhuman. The vast majority of Whites either accepted, or was apathetic to, lynching and other deprivations.

Then, the Jim Crow era began. Whites established separate but equal laws. Again, at the root of the 'separate but equal' laws was the premise that Blacks were unequal/weren't as human as whites. During this epoch, our great-grandparents/grandparents did not have equal social, political, and economic, rights; and whites still perpetuated violence against Blacks.

Enter Brother Malcolm. I agree with everything that you said about him. But at the same time how plausible was it that whites would give us a Sovereign Nation within the U.S.? How plausible was it that, given the fact that Blacks were a disunited minority without the weapons or technology achieve military gains, Blacks could achieve any sought after end through violence? Yet, it is precisely these things that most Americans revere Malcolm X, and why he is an American Icon.

I believe that near the end of life he saw the fallacy of a separate state for Blacks. I also believe that he saw the fallacy of trying to achieve political, social, and economic ends in America via violence, after he converted to True Islam. I'd argue that once he realized these things he was at his greatest. Still, he died before he could really spread that message.

 

[ClevelandDawg216]

Go shoot yourself in the face.

pretty much...this is the most sean coonery shit i've ever read. ban him for utter foolishness

 

[MoneyInTheBank]

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[Kratos]

What one glean's from the man and his life is subjective. If you conclude he was overrated then that's you. If the next man (or woman) gleans strength and esteem and manage to utilize such in a positive fashion; power to them.

Debating this is ultimately fruitless though. Since again, what one glean's from the man and his life is subjective.

 

[Sub0]

A lot of people tend to overrate Malcolm X.

Malcolm X isn't overrated. Many Blacks only have a superficial understanding of the man and his legacy, so the spectre of "violence" is overstated, whereas the totality of his legacy is grossly understated. I have much respect for the man, but, if any person in our history is overrated, it has to be MLK. He is seen as the "face" of our struggle during the 1960s. SNCC, Ella Baker, Fannie Lou Hamer, James Farmer, James Foreman, Bayard Rustin, A. Philip Randolph, and many others did the bulk of the work. Elijah, Malcolm, and the NOI, Robert F. Williams, Stokely Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, the Black Panthers, and others presented alternatives that effectively forced the ruling powers to accept MLK's position. However, MLK is regarded as the singular figure of the day! Go figure.

In a thread about his Birthday, someone called him the greatest Black American ever.

That is totally subjective. I don't think there is one person we can single out as THE greatest Black American. But, I think we can all agree that Malcolm is one of the best we've produced.

However, he died before he had a chance to be great.

What Malcolm accomplished in his 39 years makes him great. He wasn't perfect. But, the way in which he was able to transform himself into an international, yet still evolving, statesman is a great example for the youth.

Moreover, he died before he could undo all of the harm that he did to Black America. He harmed scores of Black Americans by converting them to a false religion.

False religion? So, why aren't Black preachers brought to bear for enslaving the minds of Black people with a "false" religion. You do know that religion is a social creation? Every culture creates religion to explain the world, its origin, death, and the afterlife. Religion has been used to liberate and enslave. It has been interpreted to justify all kinds of things. Why was Christianity forced on enslaved Africans--to liberate or enslave? Was Dr. King also guilty of furthering a "false" religion. Or, was he, like Elijah, Malcolm, Nat Turner, Henry McNeal Turner, and many more, attempting to use religion to liberate his people?

Moreover, he harmed Black Americans by advocating retaliatory violence against whites.

Malcolm never advocated retaliatory violence. He was for aggressive self-defense. The Panthers, also painted as advocating violence, were also in favor of aggressive self-defense.

The Nation of Islam (N.O.I.) is a false religion.

see my comments from above...

It is significant, but at the same time such violence is tactically imprudent.

As I stated above, Malcolm didn't advocate irrational, retaliatory violence. He, as I, believed in aggressive self-defense.

That’s why I believe he’s overrated.

You need to actually do some reading. Your lack of knowledge is evident, so further comments aren't necessary.

 

[Black A. Camus]

Malcolm X???Overrated???

Bullshit

Black A. Camus, I want you to do me a huge favor. I want you to go on a field trip to your local mall, basketball court, movie theater or whatever. Your mission is to find a group of black kids and ask them what they know about Malcolm X.

(I can hear the crickets now)

I take it from me, I used to be a counselor at the boys and girls club, I've talked to alot of black teens about history and contents of the texts books. Most kids today know what he looks like and his poster of him holding the gun looking out the window, but no ones anything about his message and what his purpose was about.

If anything, Malcolm X and all other black leaders besides Martin Luther King are underrated.

I wholly agree with that statement. No arguments here. My only reply is that I don't believe that Malcolm X deserves more praise than the Richard Wright, James Baldwin, Angela Davis, bell hooks, W.E.B. Dubois, etc. He apostatized. Yet, people credit him most for his views before he did.

 

[Sub0]

For you to pretend he made 360 when he returned from mecca also is wrong. He stated if white people converted to islam maybe black and white could co-exist peacefully and equally, ONLY THEN. It's a disgrace or lousy interpretation skills on your part that you would say he changed his views.

Many people like to "forget" or do not know that he'd already been abroad before the pilgrimage. People like to sensationalize the story so it appears that he was amazed at the sight of white Muslims and, therefore, was forced to change his views!

Don't believe the hype! Know your history.

 

[Mo-Better]

Malcolm X was an outstanding leader to the black community. I don't know where your getting your faulty facts from and there is nothing fake about the NOI.

Check your history Medgar Evers, Martin, Malcom, Fred Hampton, John F. and Bobby Kennendy were all assassinated. These are just of few of the men who attemped to effect changes within our society. They will never be considered overrated.

Underrated people are never assassinated. You see no one has yet to try to assassinate Bush.

 

[HighTech]

Many people like to "forget" or do not know that he'd already been abroad before the pilgrimage. People like to sensationalize the story so it appears that he was amazed at the sight of white Muslims and, therefore, was forced to change his views!

Don't believe the hype! Know your history.

I know, it's annoying but it's always a signal of someone who has limited knowledge of the man.

 

[Sub0]

Underrated people are never assassinated.

Close thread!

 

[Black A. Camus]

False religion?

I'm not going to digress and get into an argument about theology. Instead, I think it is enough to say that Malcolm X apostasized and renounced the Nation of Islam's ethos once he returned from the Middle East. Actions speak louder than words; and, for the purposes of this thread, his conversion to true Islam is sufficient proof that the N.O.I., was a false religion

Malcolm never advocated retaliatory violence. He was for aggressive self-defense. The Panthers, also painted as advocating violence, were also in favor of aggressive self-defense.

You don't agree with my statement, fine. But you do nothing to disprove it either. His voice saying to be "non-violent in the face of violence..." made an indelible impression on many, many, a soul. So it is simply ignorant for you to say that he did not advocate retalitory violence.

You need to actually do some reading. Your lack of knowledge is evident, so further comments aren't necessary.

If you feel my lack of knowledge is evident then that is your opinion. Granted, this entire thread is an expression of my opinion. Yet, at least I can proffer proof to support it. In the most elementary, and non-persuasive, way, in an attempt to refute my opinion, all you have done is express yours. Which is fine, but pointless.

 

[Black A. Camus]

Malcolm X was an outstanding leader to the black community. I don't know where your getting your faulty facts from and there is nothing fake about the NOI.

Check your history Medgar Evers, Martin, Malcom, Fred Hampton, John F. and Bobby Kennendy were all assassinated. These are just of few of the men who attemped to effect changes within our society. They will never be considered overrated.

Underrated people are never assassinated. You see no one has yet to try to assassinate Bush.

The underrated people statement is eloquent, but it's circular reasoning. Circular Reasoning An argument structure in which the premise is a restatement of the conclusion. Thought and Knowledge by Halpern, page 216.


Still, what you wrote is fine, and I don't disagree with it. To sum up my point, however, Malcolm X simply is not the greatest Black American who ever lived. Period. In another thread, someone wrote that he was and several people co-signed on it. That's why I made this thead and entitled it what I did.

 

[DCphdman]

A lot of people tend to overrate Malcolm X. In a thread about his Birthday, someone called him the greatest Black American ever. However, he died before he had a chance to be great. Moreover, he died before he could undo all of the harm that he did to Black America. He harmed scores of Black Americans by converting them to a false religion. Moreover, he harmed Black Americans by advocating retaliatory violence against whites.

The Nation of Islam (N.O.I.) is a false religion. Any religion that advocates hatred, even if it’s hate against prejudiced white people, is a false religion. Malcolm X realized and admitted this when he converted to true Islam, after his journey to the Middle East. Malcolm X died before he could spread the truth to all the souls he tainted with false religion.

Most Black Americans revere Malcolm X because of the revolutionary message he spread while he was a member of the Nation of Islam. He spread his message of retaliatory violence during America’s shameful and pitiful Jim Crow era. It is laudably significant that Malcolm X was a figurehead of a segment of Black Americans who organized for the purpose of violently resisting the violence perpetuated on them. It is significant, but at the same time such violence is tactically imprudent.

It’s tactically imprudent for a minority to advocate violence until it exhausts all other means of resistance, unless the minority receives military foreign aide. Whenever Black people talk about revolution it is important to realize that we have never comprised more than 13% of America’s population (look at census reports). Within that 13% maybe 3, or 4, percent supported the Nation of Islam’s retaliatory violence approach. Moreover, Black people are non-indigenous Americans in the sense that we are not white, and cannot covertly blend into America’s populace. Hence, had Black retaliatory violence become a problem in America, its government would undoubtedly have rounded Blacks up into camps, just like it did to Japanese Americans during WWII. All of this is why retaliatory violence by Black Americans is imprudent.

Whether or not he would have agreed with this rationale against retaliatory violence, he did not advocate once he converted to True Islam. Had he had the chance to thoroughly spread the truth once he made this reformation, I believe that he would have been one of the greatest, not only Black Americans, but one of the greatest Americans period. Unfortunately, he died before he could achieve true greatness. That’s why I believe he’s overrated.

I won't say your stupid, because I do not know you. However, your a dumbass. That much is certain.

 

[HighTech]

The underrated people statement is eloquent, but it's circular reasoning.
Still, what you wrote is fine, and I don't disagree with it. Still, to sum up my point, Malcolm X simply is not the greatest Black American who ever lived. Period. In another thread, someone wrote that he was and several people co-signed on it. That's why I made this thead and entitled it what I did.

I said that he was and i asked you in this thread ''Name me someone in amerikkka's foul and bloody history who's been greater for Black people than Malcolm X????''

 

[Kazoo]

interesting argument Camus - Like most that read the title ,I was instantly upset ,outraged .offended .....But you make some good points - esp. ...

"It’s tactically imprudent for a minority to advocate violence until it exhausts all other means of resistance, unless the minority receives military foreign aide. Whenever Black people talk about revolution it is important to realize that we have never comprised more than 13% of America’s population (look at census reports). Within that 13% maybe 3, or 4, percent supported the Nation of Islam’s retaliatory violence approach. Moreover, Black people are non-indigenous Americans in the sense that we are not white, and cannot covertly blend into America’s populace. Hence, had Black retaliatory violence become a problem in America, its government would undoubtedly have rounded Blacks up into camps, just like it did to Japanese Americans during WWII. All of this is why retaliatory violence by Black Americans is imprudent. "


well stated argument