Malcolm X called Martin Luther King an Uncle Tom

I'll take back the word "loved" and use "palatable". I don't want my use to trip some up when that was not the point I was trying to make.
Any and all Blacks would be unpopular if we are considering changes to or any stance that would cause a ripple into White supremacy.
The country would have been more comfortable by ignoring what was happening, both Blacks and Whites of the time.

But waves were being made, and the "lesser of evils" was King, if and only if (iff) a choice had to be made.
Any person who stuck their neck out were immediately in financial and life threatening danger. This Malcolm X message
was made before he became enlightened. He died young, not knowing the changes that were to be made.

I feel u. I guess I'm just not comfortable with how dismissive some folks are about Dr. King. I'd also say that he stuck his neck out in a big way and paid with his life for the advancement of Black life in America. It makes it all the more depressing when cats are suggesting he was "weak" etc. This isn't directed at u necessarily... but I've legit read supposed black folks calling this man a coon on this board. Shit is just fuckin ridiculous:smh:
 
Just came from a very uplifting 5 hrs MLK special event, sign in and here we go, came accross this bullshit topic. :mad:

The OP should know by now we have militants on this board who have different opinions on the topic.

Out of respect to Dr. King, this topic could have been another day for discussion. After all that bullshit lately, can we fucking have a day to celebrate a national champion of civil rights and international icon? C'mon son.
 
Did King say separation was the only answer, though?
In Essence that's what he really was saying....His meetings with Elijah Muhammad really swayed thinking..Elijah taught him to remove his feelings and emotions and to deal with white people for who they are...
MLK wasn't killed for a dream he was killed because he woke up..His latter speeches tell it all
 
In Essence that's what he really was saying....His meetings with Elijah Muhammad really swayed thinking..Elijah taught him to remove his feelings and emotions and to deal with white people for who they are...
MLK wasn't killed for a dream he was killed because he woke up..His latter speeches tell it all
In Essence, that's not what he was saying, now you're making stuff up. MLK meeting with Elijah Muhammad is not proof of anything, King met with a lot of people.
 
In Essence, that's not what he was saying, now you're making stuff up. MLK meeting with Elijah Muhammad is not proof of anything, King met with a lot of people.
If MLK said he made a mistake and integrated his people into a burning house...Logic tells me he wish he hadn't of done it...The opposite of integration is separation why is that hard for you to understand....Remove them emotions it is what it is
 
And still in 2018 the only way the black people of America are going to obtain Justice and freedom is through separation of your former slave masters children
 
If MLK said he made a mistake and integrated his people into a burning house...Logic tells me he wish he hadn't of done it...The opposite of integration is separation why is that hard for you to understand....Remove them emotions it is what it is
Hard for me to understand? Is it hard for you to understand that he didn't say separation is the only way? Again, you are reading into what he said with your faulty logic. Show me where Dr. King specially said "Separation is the only way." Show me. You are just like those Right Wing Conservatives who contend that King believed racism wasn't an issue and everyone should be viewed through the "content of our character" only. Those conservatives take a small portion of what King said and then apply their own faulty logic about what he said, & that's what you're doing. You are misconstruing what Dr. King said.
 
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OP, tell the full story... MALCOLM X changed his position in his view of DR. KING.

Malcolm X working with Coretta Scott King and Martin Luther King; Dr. King had been in jail when Malcolm went to Selma, Alabama to meet with him so he met with his wife instead. A couple of weeks later Malcolm was assassinated..

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Teeeeaaaacccchhhh!
 
Hard for me to understand? Is it hard for you to understand that he didn't say separation is the only way? Again, you are reading into what he said with your faulty logic. Show me where Dr. King specially said "Separation is the only way." Show me. You are just like those Right Wing Conservatives who contend that King believed racism isn't an issue and everyone should be viewed through the "content of our character" only. Those conservative take a small portion of King said and then apply their own faulty logic about what he said, & that's what you're doing. You are misconstruing what Dr. King said.
I give...I will leave you in the state of confusion you are in....I will say this though you must fall out of love with your slave masters children...i understand separation means no more hanging after work with your white co workers...No more using his technology or driving his vehicles...Most important to you no more bunnies to lay up with..I'm sorry but that's what king was saying...We do us and let them do them
 
I give...I will leave you in the state of confusion you are in....I will say this though you must fall out of love with your slave masters children...i understand separation means no more hanging after work with your white co workers...No more using his technology or driving his vehicles...Most important to you no more bunnies to lay up with..I'm sorry but that's what king was saying...We do us and let them do them
I'm in no state of confusion, I simply asked you to provide evidence for MLK's "separation is the only way" statement. Where is the evidence?
 
So how much of a piece of shit do you have to be to post this shit today? I've noticed that as years go on....people try and devalue MLK and his approach. Could've did that shit on another day though.
Same people that wanna talk down on his non violent approach havent done a single fucking thing to fight back. Except talk shit online.
 
Yes, I heard the Drum Major Instinct speech. Remember, saying one thing does not automatically mean another thing. Those burning house comments does not mean he's for separation, that's a leap....a major one.
If he realized that integration was a mistake only separation is the right way. As he stated in the drum major instinct whites beat it into our heads over and over again about them being first and their white skin ordaining them to be first.
Whites are very serious about this belief that they live off of and program into everybody to the point of killing to keep it going. It was the same thing in Jonestown. The statement that Dr. King made about integrating his people into hell itself. He made that statement publicly and he made the statement to an individual. When King was catching on to some things he had to do like Jesus and teach some manifesting teachings where the seeds of certain things was planted and the people they are planted in would catch on later on. That is probably why certain characteristics started showing up in blacks that whitey had to get rid of again.
Certain material of Dr. King that I use to have when I lived in Tacoma Washington I do not have now. But I am not trying to put words in his mouth. He was just like Elijah on that non violent thing. Elijah had said never get ignorant with the devil. If you do he will kill you. But if you are in the right you will always be victorious against him. We will never be bigger devils than whites. But we can beat them if we can only return to being ourselves. Our imagination is part of what they use against us. Nobody can do anything to you that you do not want them to do. Same way with the fact that there is no way a grown man can tell another grown man what to do unless he controls him. We are raised up to be controlled by authorities. But that does not mean it is right. We have to follow white laws because of control that we do not know about. Their is a way to rise above that.
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If he realized that integration was a mistake only separation is the right way. As he stated in the drum major instinct whites beat it into our heads over and over again about them being first and their white skin ordaining them to be first.
Whites are very serious about this belief that they live off of and program into everybody to the point of killing to keep it going. It was the same thing in Jonestown. The statement that Dr. King made about integrating his people into hell itself. He made that statement publicly and he made the statement to an individual. When King was catching on to some things he had to do like Jesus and teach some manifesting teachings where the seeds of certain things was planted and the people they are planted in would catch on later on. That is probably why certain characteristics started showing up in blacks that whitey had to get rid of again.
Certain material of Dr. King that I use to have when I lived in Tacoma Washington I do not have now. But I am not trying to put words in his mouth. He was just like Elijah on that non violent thing. Elijah had said never get ignorant with the devil. If you do he will kill you. But if you are in the right you will always be victorious against him. We will never be bigger devils than whites. But we can beat them if we can only return to being ourselves. Our imagination is part of what they use against us. Nobody can do anything to you that you do not want them to do. Same way with the fact that there is no way a grown man can tell another grown man what to do unless he controls him. We are raised up to be controlled by authorities. But that does not mean it is right. We have to follow white laws because of control that we do not know about. Their is a way to rise above that.
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ORIGINAL NATION, You are making an assumption that MLK wanted separation. & you are attempting to use the picture of Elijah Muhammad to further what you assume. Tell me, where did Dr. King say that he believed separation is the only way. Dr. King was avid speech maker and writer so show me the evidence.
 
Bro, sounds like you have a great background and family.

No doubt I'm grateful for them. Seeing and hearing what they went through cause its still some backwack individuals down there. Some think its still 1960 and Bull Connor is still round .


I pay for a remodel and for cable/ internet and the bills. I paid the guys extra cuz its a small town and they had to travel. The cable for them but the HD channels and internet is for me. Grand Ma don't care about HD. Grand Pa gets it thought.

They still kept the floor model but the oled is on a stand. I end up being a chauffeur and neighborhood Grandson cuz their friends never learned to drive.

Its a joy taking them on road trips to see family, for their meds or driving them up to Birmingham for their eye exams.

Just talking with them about now and how it was back in their era. I bring the younger nephews and nieces to help out in the garden, just to spend some time. I know what my generation goes through is nothing in comparison. Whatever they want or need they got it.
 
I was just lying in wait for some shit thread like this to come up.
Thanks for not disappointing me.

MLK was a WARRIOR of the highest level.
Even Malcolm acknowledged this.

Did The NOI ever volunteer to go Down South to help even protect those Civil Rights folks?
NOPE!!!
All because Elijah Muhammad didn't want any government attention.
Especially from the FBI.
And that agency was monitoring them anyway.

But imagine if Elijah Muhammad had gave his organization the Go-Ahead to help in the Civil Rights Movement.
 
ORIGINAL NATION, You are making an assumption that MLK wanted separation. & you are attempting to use the picture of Elijah Muhammad to further what you assume. Tell me, where did Dr. King say that he believed separation is the only way. Dr. King was avid speech maker and writer so show me the evidence.
I stated that he made the statement that he was afraid that he was integrating his people into hell itself. Besides that statement he made it is common sense that that is the only real way. You cannot overcome devils by being carbon copies of devils. Our kids do not stand a chance if we cannot build a real foundation soon. We are damn near the point of no return. All we know and past on is what the slave master allows. Dr. King was no fool the same with Jesus. They woke up to things that made them enemies with those who were brain washed and the ones who brainwashed them.
Like Dr. King said there are some things so precious, and some things so eternally true that they are worth dying for. And if a man has not found something that he will die for he is not fit to live. And in order to free our children and our white brothers from an eternal physiological death nothing can be more redemptive. It is possible to overcome death and live forever. And it is possible to separate and rise above white law. Hell the ones that really make the laws do not live by them. They are for the people that they master.
 
Just came from a very uplifting 5 hrs MLK special event, sign in and here we go, came accross this bullshit topic. :mad:

The OP should know by now we have militants on this board who have different opinions on the topic.

Out of respect to Dr. King, this topic could have been another day for discussion. After all that bullshit lately, can we fucking have a day to celebrate a national champion of civil rights and international icon? C'mon son.
Why? Sometimes people need to be uncomfortable and as you can see this thread as lead to a greater discussion reflection on MLK.
Besides, I think such things honor MLK because he was not able waiting fro when things were comfortable. He turn the heat all the way the fuck up and that is what got him killed.
 
I stated that he made the statement that he was afraid that he was integrating his people into hell itself. Besides that statement he made it is common sense that that is the only real way. You cannot overcome devils by being carbon copies of devils. Our kids do not stand a chance if we cannot build a real foundation soon. We are damn near the point of no return. All we know and past on is what the slave master allows. Dr. King was no fool the same with Jesus. They woke up to things that made them enemies with those who were brain washed and the ones who brainwashed them.
Like Dr. King said there are some things so precious, and some things so eternally true that they are worth dying for. And if a man has not found something that he will die for he is not fit to live. And in order to free our children and our white brothers from an eternal physiological death nothing can be more redemptive. It is possible to overcome death and live forever. And it is possible to separate and rise above white law. Hell the ones that really make the laws do not live by them. They are for the people that they master.
ORIGINAL NATION, you are imagining what Dr. King believes, he never said separation is the only way. Homie, that's faulty logic.
 
ORIGINAL NATION, you are imagining what Dr. King believes, he never said separation is the only way. Homie, that's faulty logic.
Maybe we see things different. I said separation is the only way. But Dr. King must have knew it also or else he would not have stated that he was afraid that he was integrating his people into hell itself. If he really believed in integration and did not feel he had made a mistake then he would not have made the statement. It is just like whites and Jesus they say it does not matter what color he was, but that is the lie that they tell and want to believe and want others to believe. And for over 2000 years they have succeeded in making that a part of their cover up.
 
Maybe we see things different. I said separation is the only way. But Dr. King must have knew it also or else he would not have stated that he was afraid that he was integrating his people into hell itself. If he really believed in integration and did not feel he had made a mistake then he would not have made the statement. It is just like whites and Jesus they say it does not matter what color he was, but that is the lie that they tell and want to believe and want others to believe. And for over 2000 years they have succeeded in making that a part of their cover up.
“I’ve come upon something that disturbs me deeply,” he said. “We have fought hard and long for integration, as I believe we should have, and I know that we will win. But I’ve come to believe we’re integrating into a burning house.”

That statement took me aback. It was the last thing I would have expected to hear, considering the nature of our struggle, and I asked him what he meant. “I’m afraid that America may be losing what moral vision she may have had,” he answered. “And I’m afraid that even as we integrate, we are walking into a place that does not understand that this nation needs to be deeply concerned with the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. Until we commit ourselves to ensuring that the underclass is given justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger and violence that tears at the soul of this nation.”

“I fear, I am integrating my people into a burning house.”

~ Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr

Dr. King said the above statement to Harry Belafonte in a conversation they had before his death. Belafonte startled at the statement said to him “What should we do?” Dr. King told him that we “Become the firemen, Let us not stand by and let the house burn.”
 
Maybe we see things different. I said separation is the only way. But Dr. King must have knew it also or else he would not have stated that he was afraid that he was integrating his people into hell itself. If he really believed in integration and did not feel he had made a mistake then he would not have made the statement. It is just like whites and Jesus they say it does not matter what color he was, but that is the lie that they tell and want to believe and want others to believe. And for over 2000 years they have succeeded in making that a part of their cover up.
You said "I said separation is the only way. But Dr. King must have knew it also..."

That's my point you are allowing your personal views to color what Dr. King actually said. You can't see that?
 
You said "I said separation is the only way. But Dr. King must have knew it also..."

That's my point you are allowing your personal views to color what Dr. King actually said. You can't see that?
Anytime a man that is pushing integration make a statement about him making a mistake doing it then he cannot be totally for integration. We are more fucked up now and we are empowering these devils more and more by being controlled by them.
 
Anytime a man that is pushing integration make a statement about him making a mistake doing it then he cannot be totally for integration. We are more fucked up now and we are empowering these devils more and more by being controlled by them.
It still does that mean he's for separation. Was the Poor People's March about separation?
 
It still does that mean he's for separation. Was the Poor People's Campaign about separation?
No the poor people's program was not about separation. But it did make him more of a target. They say the feds was created to investigate organized crime but actually it was created to investigate anyone that tries to break the control over poor people.
We are the original people of the earth. And since whites and other races have been grafted from us we are the target for destruction. Poor whites are just collateral damage. Money, energy and resources is used to keep real blacks and blackness from existence. Third world countries starved to death while we threw away tons of food. Dr. King mentioned about America thinking they are suppose to be world police but in actuality they are the biggest devils on the face of the earth and have no concern about humanity at all.
We as blacks should know the true nature of whites by now. If Dr. King had changed they never was going to give him a chance to let it be known. We have black christians thinking they are actually following the ways and teachings of Jesus but they do not have the real path that he died for. They are following the path of those who destroyed what he really stood for.
 
No the poor people's program was not about separation. But it did make him more of a target. They say the feds was created to investigate organized crime but actually it was created to investigate anyone that tries to break the control over poor people.
We are the original people of the earth. And since whites and other races have been grafted from us we are the target for destruction. Poor whites are just collateral damage. Money, energy and resources is used to keep real blacks and blackness from existence. Third world countries starved to death while we threw away tons of food. Dr. King mentioned about America thinking they are suppose to be world police but in actuality they are the biggest devils on the face of the earth and have no concern about humanity at all.
We as blacks should know the true nature of whites by now. If Dr. King had changed they never was going to give him a chance to let it be known. We have black christians thinking they are actually following the ways and teachings of Jesus but they do not have the real path that he died for. They are following the path of those who destroyed what he really stood for.
How can Dr. King have a separation mindset when he and the SCLC created The Poor People's Campaign/March? Again, Dr. King did not advocate separation.....

These are documents that Dr. King was going to release and events he would be apart of, however as we know he was assassinated...


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There is a lot I can say on that. I was shocked at how some of even the civil right leaders came out against him for his stance against the war. Some even went so far as to tell him to stick to civil rights.
One of his statemenst was that if something does not happen in a hurry to bring the black people of the world out of their long years of poverty, their long years of burden neglect then the whole world is doomed. We are the target and these sucidial, war worshipping demons got to get rid of all real blacks and real blackness before they can finish destroying the world. Whites really are devils. All whites are devils.
Jonestown was a mind control experiment and an experiment on how to infiltrate black organizations. It was mainly blacks following Jim Jones. And the target was blacks even though there were white members they were not the real targets. And for a lot of the followers they never knew this. Some think that if you took Jim Jones out of the picture then Jonestown would have been a success. This is said by the one that must not have known what that whole thing was about.
Can you image the people that had Jesus killed coming to him for health problems? Or can you image the people that Jesus healed and helped coming to him for education, jobs, etc.? If not why?
 
I feel u. I guess I'm just not comfortable with how dismissive some folks are about Dr. King. I'd also say that he stuck his neck out in a big way and paid with his life for the advancement of Black life in America. It makes it all the more depressing when cats are suggesting he was "weak" etc. This isn't directed at u necessarily... but I've legit read supposed black folks calling this man a coon on this board. Shit is just fuckin ridiculous:smh:

a lot of people are reverse Alpha Males on here. Completely assed backwards in their thought process
 
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