Libya: No Fly

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U.S. Confirms French Jets Over Libya​

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A warplane of Gadhafi's forces is seen being shot down over the outskirts of Benghazi, eastern
Libya, Saturday, March 19, 2011. Associated Press



CBSNews.com staff
March 19, 2011

• CBS News' David Martin reports a U.S. military source has confirmed that French planes have overflown Benghazi. Martin reports they were likely to have been reconnaissance flights, intended to photograph the disposition of pro-Qaddafi forces on the ground ahead of strikes expected later today.

• Speaking from urgent talks in Paris, President Nicolas Sarkozy says France has already taken action against Libya.

• Al-Jazeera is reporting that French planes are prepared to begin bombardment of pro-Gadhafi forces around Benghazi in order to send a message that they are breaking the siege.

• The western Libyan city of Zentan is under heavy bombing from government forces.

• French reconnaissance planes have been flying over Libya, according to Reuters. While the talks in Paris are ongoing, a French military source says, "There are French reconnaissance aircraft over Libya."

• A warplane was shot down over the eastern Libyan rebel stronghold of Benghazi on Saturday, though it is unclear whether the jet belonged to Qaddafi's forces or to the rebels.

A Libyan rebel flashes the victory sign as he arrives with his weapon to the front line near Sultan, Libya, south of Benghazi, March 18, 2011.
(Credit: AP​

• Leaders from the Arab world, Africa, the United States and other Western powers are holding urgent talks in Paris Saturday over possible military action against Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20044969-503543.html

 

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[nittie]

These bombings make Obama a 1 term president.

 

[QueEx]

U.S., France launch strikes at
Gadhafi to shield opposition​

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[Lamarr]

hmmmmmmmmmmm........ Where are the anti-Bush War Protesters?

It's official now. We are at war with Libya. Following the precedent set by several US Presidents before him, President Obama has started a war with another country without authorization via a Declaration of War by the Congress of the United States.

I dont give a damn what the UN says. The President of the United States is to ask permission from the US Congress to go to war......He is to defend THE U.S. CONSTITUION not the UN Charter......PERIOD.

Dick Cheney would be proud

 

[QueEx]

It's official now. We are at war with Libya.

I dont give a damn what . . .

the truth may be.

QueEx

 

[robfmnola]

These bombings make Obama a 1 term president.

How do you figure? He cleaned up Bush's mess (almost), went after the RIGHT country and joined the rest of the world with Libya.

 

[GET YOU HOT]

http://www.france24.com/en/20110319...ion-strikes-against-gaddafi-forces?autoplay=1

 

[Lamarr]

They gon' need a bunch of "think tanks" to figure out how to blame Bush for this one!

lovin this thread here:

http://twitter.com/search?q=Obama Bush

 

[Cruise]

These bombings make Obama a 1 term president.

If Iraq and Afghanistan didn't stop Bush, what makes you think this will stop Obama?

Besides, until gas prices hit $4/gallon, Obama should be safe... for now.

 

[nittie]

If Iraq and Afghanistan didn't stop Bush, what makes you think this will stop Obama?

Besides, until gas prices hit $4/gallon, Obama should be safe... for now.

Obama is not white, he don't have the Bush family legacy or connections so he will not get the same treatment as Bush. Also these bombing seem planned from the jump like it's about oil or a war on Muslims. This will not sit well with voters in 2012 besides the jury is still out on Obama the country hasn't accepted him yet and he's been in office 2 yrs.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

Notice how our instruments of death are "fighters" or "jets" and THEIRS are "War Planes?"

 

[Lamarr]

Anybody notice this is exactly 8 years to the day, Bush started his crap in Iraq?

Same shit, different actors. Is there anyone that does NOT see that this is George Bush's 3rd term?

With this move, Pres. Obama has solidified his re-election! Remember the Reagan-Democrat? Enter the "Obama-Republican".

 

[MCP]

The view on this issue from a UK perspective is that questions are asked on why is it that Britain, US and France are implementing this 'No fly' zone over Libya to 'protect' the civilian poplulation.

Yet at the same time over in Bahrain, government forces are accepting military assistance from Saudi Arabia to crush any anti-government movement there. Sounds like hyprocrisy to me.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-declare-war-on-their-protesters-2247066.html

 

[QueEx]

Peace,

Notice how our instruments of death are "fighters" or "jets" and THEIRS are "War Planes?"

I didn't get that one.

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

The view on this issue from a UK perspective is that questions are asked on why is it that Britain, US and France are implementing this 'No fly' zone over Libya to 'protect' the civilian poplulation.

Yet at the same time over in Bahrain, government forces are accepting military assistance from Saudi Arabia to crush any anti-government movement there. Sounds like hyprocrisy to me.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-declare-war-on-their-protesters-2247066.html

Thank you very much for bringing the VAP, the View from Across the Pond. Seriously, its always good to hear a view under different influences than your own.

I think you've hit on a real dynamic. I have to believe that some, if not a lot, of the President's reluctance to get involved in Libya arises out a paradox between some Middle Eastern nations on the one hand and Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and perhaps a few others on the other hand. And at the crux of that paradox lie the importance of some of those nations on "the other hand" to the perceived strategic interest of the U.S., if not the West in general. I'd been watching not only to see when someone would raise this paradox, but how the various minds get wrapped around the nuances.

In short: Without question one of the major flaws in G.W. Bush's so-called democracy in the Middle East campaigns was (1) once you get people selecting there own leaders, you cannot be sure that those selected will be friendly or at least ambivalent to you (in other words, you have to be careful what you ask for), i.e., Hamas/Palestine; and (2) do you really want to push that democracy policy among your non-elected friends, Egypt, Saudi, Bahrain, etc., because again, you have to be careful what you ask for.

Personally, I think Pushing for Democracy and similar concepts/campaigns are fraught with dangers and are merely tactical political measures to pursue the longer term strategic goals of: building friends on your side of the ledger; denying friends to those on the other side of the ledger,\; or at least neutralizing those who would be on the other side of the ledger.

The last thing from a foreign policy standpoint you would want to do is to de-stabilize those on your side of the ledger, i.e., Bahrain, Saudi, etc., (before its time). Hence, the paradox. Hence, I believe, President Obama's (and many in the governments of the U.K. and the West generally) un-ease and reluctance to stand too firmly against some (especially Mubarak or even the not-so-liked Gadhaffi), because policy-wise, you just can't stand that way, against your so-called friends (Bahrain, Saudi).

Lastly, this is big boy stuff, and not goody two-shoe machinations. The whole notion of building "Democracy" in foreign lands is, in my opinion, misleading. The only real issue is: What is in the best interest of your country. The goody-two-shoes concept of fostering this wonderful thing called democracy sounds really good and makes some feel they have the moral high ground. In reality, however, there is competition in the world for security and scarce resources that brings that security. One nation's perceived best interest will, at some point, be adverse to the best interest of another country's perceived best interest. With that backdrop, contradictions become entirely sensible, until they aren't.

QueEx

 

[Cruise]

Anybody notice this is exactly 8 years to the day, Bush started his crap in Iraq?

Same shit, different actors. Is there anyone that does NOT see that this is George Bush's 3rd term?

With this move, Pres. Obama has solidified his re-election! Remember the Reagan-Democrat? Enter the "Obama-Republican".

[GREAT CATCH.]

Why is this stuff so predictable?

This is why I believe the "elites" or "powers that be" or whatever you call them... are not the brightest bulbs on the planet.

So much of what they do is so utterly transparent and ridiculous, you wonder how could anyone possibly support them.

Yet, they always seem to find willing followers.

 

[actinanass]

man reading all the obamanites having a hissy fit has been the most amusing thing I've witness in a quite long time!

 

[QueEx]

man reading all the obamanites having a hissy fit has been the most amusing thing I've witness in a quite long time!

I mut have missed those comments Where did you read them ??

QueEx

 

[actinanass]

I mut have missed those comments Where did you read them ??

QueEx

on the main board.

I've been sitting back reading all of that...

 

[QueEx]

What, essentially, are they saying ? ? ?

 

[actinanass]

What, essentially, are they saying ? ? ?

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=574630

 

[Lamarr]

Somewhere, Reggie Bush is wondering why he lost his Heisman, yet Obama is able to keep the Nobel Peace Prize

http://twitter.com/search?q=Obama Bush

 

[actinanass]

@toddstarnes toddstarnes

Obama launched war with no debate and 1 UN resolution. The left accused Bush of rushing to war after 9 months of debate.

@sallamy_d Salma Dalmooch
#interestingfacts in march 19 2003 Bush declares military action on Iraq, in march 19 2011 Obama declares military action ion libya.

 

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Gaddafi's air force 'defeated'
The commander of British aircraft operating
over Libya has said that Colonel Muammar
Gaddafi's air force, "no longer exists as a
fighting force"

Western aircraft have flown more than 300
sorties over Libya

BBC
23 March 2011



Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell said the allies could now operate "with near impunity" over the skies of Libya.

He said they were now applying unrelenting pressure on the Libyan armed forces.

"We have the Libyan ground forces under constant observation and we attack them whenever they threaten civilians or attack population centres."

His comments come as Western leaders debate who leads the intervention, with the US keen to hand over to Nato.

Western aircraft have flown more than 300 sorties over Libya in recent days and more than 162 Tomahawk cruise missiles have been fired.
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FULL STORY

 

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US special forces already on ground in Libya

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[Race Harley]

Re: US special forces already on ground in Libya

Funny part about this is that the Pro-Government forces will never see this because they're watching CNN!

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Re: US special forces already on ground in Libya

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links
Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against 'the foreign invasion' in Afghanistan Photo: AFP
Praveen Swami
By Praveen Swami, Nick Squires and Duncan Gardham 5:00PM GMT 25 Mar 2011

In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".

Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters "are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists," but added that the "members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader".

His revelations came even as Idriss Deby Itno, Chad's president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, "including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries".

Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against "the foreign invasion" in Afghanistan, before being "captured in 2002 in Peshwar, in Pakistan". He was later handed over to the US, and then held in Libya before being released in 2008.

US and British government sources said Mr al-Hasidi was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, or LIFG, which killed dozens of Libyan troops in guerrilla attacks around Derna and Benghazi in 1995 and 1996.
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Even though the LIFG is not part of the al-Qaeda organisation, the United States military's West Point academy has said the two share an "increasingly co-operative relationship". In 2007, documents captured by allied forces from the town of Sinjar, showed LIFG emmbers made up the second-largest cohort of foreign fighters in Iraq, after Saudi Arabia.

Earlier this month, al-Qaeda issued a call for supporters to back the Libyan rebellion, which it said would lead to the imposition of "the stage of Islam" in the country.

British Islamists have also backed the rebellion, with the former head of the banned al-Muhajiroun proclaiming that the call for "Islam, the Shariah and jihad from Libya" had "shaken the enemies of Islam and the Muslims more than the tsunami that Allah sent against their friends, the Japanese".

xplain this ish

 

[QueEx]

Re: US special forces already on ground in Libya

Funny part about this is that the Pro-Government forces will never see this because they're watching CNN!

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Nah; they're watching Al Jazeera now ! ! !

 

[QueEx]

Re: US special forces already on ground in Libya

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links[/QUOTE] interesting.

 

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[QueEx]

Qatar flies first mission over Libya
United Arab Emirates promises jets

Albuquerque Express
Saturday 26th March, 2011


Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are the latest countries to join the
international coalition enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya, with Qatar
the first Arab state to actually fly missions over Gaddafi’s country.

The Libyan no-fly zone, authorised by the United Nations and intended
to protect Libyan civilians from Gaddafi’s forces, also has the support of
the Arab League, although questions over its long-term enforcement
remain.

The primary issue facing participating countries, including the US,
France, Britain, Canada, Belgium, Italy, Qatar and six other nations,
is who will lead the coalition once phase one of the operation is
complete.

Currently, the coalition is led by the United States, but President
Obama has indicated the US military is keen to hand over this role
and instead provide intelligence and logistics support. The most
likely replacement will be a NATO command structure.

This command structure would also encompass Middle Eastern military
forces, such as jets of the Qatar air force, which flew joint missions
over Libya on Friday with France.

“Having our first Arab nation join and start flying with us emphasizes
that the world wants the innocent Libyan people protected from the
atrocities perpetrated by pro-regime forces,” said U.S. Air Forces
Africa Commander Major General Margaret Woodward.

The United Arab Emirates, another regional powerhouse in the Middle
East, has pledged the participation of at least 12 fighter jets in the
no-fly zone.

Mustafa Gheriani, a spokesman for the opposition Benghazi city council
in Libya, called Qatar “an Arab country to be proud of”.




http://story.albuquerqueexpress.com...t-mission-over-Libya-while-UAE-promises-jets/

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