Let's Unite - Solutions to the Economic Crisis?

Truth has no color. Stop fighting your racial ghosts.

As I pointed out above, Baby Boomers (hereafter "BB's"), refers to ANYONE born in this country between 1945 and 1964. If YOU were referring to whites only when you mention BB's, you should have said so. My references to the term includes EVERYONE born during the inclusive period.

Do I have to be white to be right ???

Only whites came up with the term baby boomers which is why I only apply it to whites. They didn't ask for anyone else's input.

I've defined what I understand the term to mean, nevertheless, what I am trying to do is make sense of the truth. But for your information, I will defend the truth no matter who speaks it; because to do otherwise simply means I'd be fooling myself -- which I am not apt to do.

There may be at times something a white person says that I don't particularly like and it might cause me to scoff; even so, inside, I must always acknowledge the truth.

Question: Does your questioning of my ethnicity arise because I disagree with you ??? If so, what does that make any of us, when we don't share your view ???

I wasn't asking your background specifically. It was a rhetorical question, to show how it is possible to have a vested interest in defending a particular group while appearing to be objective.


The REASON to do it is for you to try to get down to the real problem. sabe? I'm not dictating a particular way; I'm not advocating ANY way. I was simply trying to get you to focus deeper -- instead of on some general group.

I have the pieces/details to the real problem. It is the guiding principle I have been describing here.

Sir, I think people who disagree with me, probably have a good points -- so long as their disagreement has some kind of factual underpinning -- and not just gross generalizations. Perhaps, if I sound like the group you're discussing and you're not following my logic, maybe the problem is simply that you don't understand, what it is that you don't understand ???

Think about it.

:confused:

Its both. You're talking about a specific group; but the group itself is very broad and not necessarily comprised of people otherwise similarly situated or who share similar ideas, view points, etc. What is the homogeneity of the group ??? What are the commonalities that hold throughout the group ??? People who happen to be born between the requisite years are as diverse as the universe. You're indictment is way overbroad.

It's meant to be broad.

It is a foundation on which to understand/explain why baby boomers do what they do.

This provides a basis for understanding the dynamics of American life today, how we got here, and where we are going.

On the contrary. You've simply concluded that everyone born between 1945 & 1964 are the same -- and that can not be farther from the truth.

I like Boomers ! ! ! - though we probably have different definitions of the term. But for your information, I don't dislike white people, merely because they are. Perhaps, thats one of our difficulties in this little discussion. I want to be able to identify the 6 W's: who, what, when, why, where and <s>w</s>how. I deal with directly with problem solving and I know and have a great appreciation of knowing that if is difficult to solve a problem if you don't understand it.

Well, there we go. No argument can be made to dissuade you from your personal opinion. This is why I believe you are unwilling to see the truth or the possibility of any explanation implicating the very nature of baby boomers.

You've made up your mind.

So, I think its unproductive to go about blaming white people in general for shit. I want to know who did what when, why and how. I can devise a plan to counter that; but not some mythical "they did it" bull. Are you following me here ??? Do you see why I'm not fond of your broad generalizations ??? Do you see why I ask you to focus and identity the demons ???

Holla.

QueEx

Who? Clinton.
What? US President
Where? Washington DC
When? 1993
Why? Globalization and destruction of American industry passed NAFTA.

1994 Clinton - Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. Passage of the 3 Strikes Law
1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (Welfare Reform Act)
1999 Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (the birth of the superbanks)
2000 Commodity Futures Modernization Act (the birth of the credit default swap/CDO)

I could go on all day breaking down how baby boomers broke down this country, all for their selfish, short-sighted gain.

Could you please, please provide a citation to the source of the conclusions above ??? Please.

QueEx

Of course, no evidence, documentation, argument, source, nor proof will be sufficient.

I will continue to develop my ideas in preparation for what I see as an inevitable collapse of the baby boomer power structure and you will continue supporting the existing agenda.

To me, it's clear where we both stand on this issue.
 
"African Solution"- American Bankruptcy and Republican Party

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simple.....
dont let the government take control of peoples money and biznesses
get rid of the illegals that send most of the money they make here back to mexico.
 
simple answer from me.......
stop the goverment from taking/controlling peoples money and get rid of the millions of illegal's that send billions back to mexico.
 
Cruise said:
To me, it's clear where we both stand on this issue.

Now that might "sound" good to you, but I doubt you know where I stand on any issue. I believe what is clear, however, is that we view matters through different prisms and we have different approaches. Obviously, you can't appreciate my approach (specific identification of issues/problems while trying to avoid resort to generalizatons); and I have difficulty appreciating your approach (overbroad/shotgun generalized identification of issues/problems).

With respect to your definition of Boomers: Obviously we were talking about two different things. I was using the definition commonly understood by most of humanity and you had your own. Its hard to discuss/debate an issue when the definition of a key term is unknown to all but one party and then changes and floats as that party apparently develops/refines his thoughts of the concept.


On the other hand, even if we use your definition that only whites are Boomers; I would have a problem with another "undefined" term you used, "Lost Generation". I don't know what that term means; who is included in it; and what objective characteristics define it. So, I'll let you define it before I comment further. I will say, however, that I have a problem with describing any generation of us as lost, except perhaps . . . nah; I'm reserving judgment on the HipHopGen.

QueEx
 
get rid of the millions of illegal's that send billions back to mexico.

agreed, enforce the law! I see all the hiring in police forces all over but it seems as though they would rather go on revenue-generating expeditions (traffic stops)! I'd guess and say 30% of Wall Street needs to be under investigation for some sort of fraud, I digress.

Honestly, illegals wouldn't be such a problem in a healthy economy because they would be demand for workers. Sorry to say, they are surpressing wages hindering any type of rebound in our community.
 
Now that might "sound" good to you, but I doubt you know where I stand on any issue. I believe what is clear, however, is that we view matters through different prisms and we have different approaches. Obviously, you can't appreciate my approach (specific identification of issues/problems while trying to avoid resort to generalizatons); and I have difficulty appreciating your approach (overbroad/shotgun generalized identification of issues/problems).

Once again, the way you think is better than the way anyone else thinks. Or, if someone thinks differently than you, then somehow it isn't legitimate.

You can't understand my approach, but I expect that. But, it's becoming easier for me to understand yours because it is so prevalent.

I've heard/read/seen it before.

With respect to your definition of Boomers: Obviously we were talking about two different things. I was using the definition commonly understood by most of humanity and you had your own. Its hard to discuss/debate an issue when the definition of a key term is unknown to all but one party and then changes and floats as that party apparently develops/refines his thoughts of the concept.

I'm not quite sure how many different ways you want me to define my terms.

But, I know it's because you refuse to accept any explanation that justifies my position. You have already stated your bias for baby boomers.

On the other hand, even if we use your definition that only whites are Boomers; I would have a problem with another "undefined" term you used, "Lost Generation". I don't know what that term means; who is included in it; and what objective characteristics define it. So, I'll let you define it before I comment further.

"most of humanity" :lol:

Okay, let me make a distinction. The "Lost Generation" are non-whites, born during the post-war (World War II) to the Kennedy assassination.

If you prefer, since you don't like the connotation of "lost" in this context, how about calling them the...

"Gateway Generation" (1946-1964)

They were the bridge from our "Greatest Generation/Freedom Generation" to the post-civil rights era.

Some responded by trying to advance autonomy, like Malcolm. Others advanced integration. Eventually, it seems all in this generation succumbed to the allure and power of the Baby boomers.

Of course, when you follow honkeys, you sow the seeds of your own destruction.

This "Gateway" generation opened the doors to white businesses, white jobs, white contracts, white lifestyles, and a white worldview. To me, they completely abandoned the core principles of our community of strong families, reliance on one another, and hard work.

But, as I've said, it is not their fault. It was a natural progression, given the circumstances. But, it is a failed approach, IMO. If you look at how non-white communities were devastated (starting in the 1970s), you can see a clear pattern of neglect, not only on the part of baby boomers but also the gateways.

The only way subsequent generations can learn, is to understand the failure of the "gateway generation" in placing too much emphasis on "whitey" dependence and not enough on autonomy and self-reliance.

I will say, however, that I have a problem with describing any generation of us as lost, except perhaps . . . nah; I'm reserving judgment on the HipHopGen.

QueEx

In this way, the HipHop generation (as you call them) has been an utter
failure. I believe these assholes represent what I call the

"Greed generation" (1965-1983)

for lack of a better term. Of course, I am not talking about whites here.

This generation believes the "white" system can work for them. They have faith in the courts, the government, the money. Their motto is "chasing paper" making ends, getting that dollar, it's all about the benjamins. Unfortunately, they will realize all that belief is misplaced. But, that is for the future.

Right now, the "gateway generation" laid a misplaced path for younger generations to follow. But, I believe the time is coming when this direction will be completely rejected once the "white paradigm" is exposed for the utter fraud that it is (which is happening as now).

Unless someone in one of these generations decides to stop flossing, bragging, patting themselves on the back, stroking, flaunting, and believing in whitey, I fear non-whites in this country are going to doom their children's futures to perpetual dependence (voluntary servitude) on the white boy.

But, if you like it, I guess there's no problem.

However, I believe this current economic model will collapse (let's say by 2015). Then where will non-whites be? Crying to the honkeys to save them? :smh:
 
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Cruise said:
Eventually, it seems all in this generation succumbed to the allure and power of the Baby boomers.

Is this something you read; or something you derived, from what ???

QueEx
 
Is this something you read; or something you derived, from what ???

QueEx

Observation and experience.

I believe this economic crisis is a result of an ingrained way of life that "whites" have established and non-whites eagerly follow.

This country is so messed-up, it will take a new conscience to bring the country out of this mess.

I don't see it coming from the baby boomers and their sycophants, the gateways (they had their chances and just made things worse).
 
Observation and experience.

I believe this economic crisis is a result of an ingrained way of life that "whites" have established and non-whites eagerly follow.

This country is so messed-up, it will take a new conscience to bring the country out of this mess.

I don't see it coming from the baby boomers and their sycophants, the gateways (they had their chances and just made things worse).

How long have you observed and experienced the phenomena ??

QueEx
 
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