Legally Speaking; What Did Eddie Long Do Wrong?

[crackheadlou]

NO HOMO...I think It was when he fucked dem underage boys in the ass is were he had a problem,,,,I mean I think in most states if you under 18(juvenile) and a male you cant be butt rushed by a another man over 18(adult). Yep that's were his problems began...no homo.

 

[saundman]

"...suffered severe emotional distress....."

For some reason I foresee a lot of Mistresses, the other women, jump offs, woman of long time uncommitted relationships using this defense. Gloria Allred been trying to use this against people like Tiger Woods.

 

[followup]

did they work for him and did he threaten to fire them if they did not sleep with him?

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Yeah there is some serious cash to be made in the preaching game. That's why young Malcolm when he was Red called it a hustle. All you have to do is be a good actor and speaker, claim you got the callin, start spitting Bible verses, gather a small flock of mostly women and tons of single females will begin knocking your door down.

You will receive a small salary at first but if you work it right all of your bills and expenses will be paid tax free. You don't have to have thousands of members either. It's a smooth hustle. I just come from a religious background. I couldn't run a scam like that in good conscience. It would be easy to do but I couldn't go out like that.

man please.

the median income for pastors is 50k a year. it runs from 33k to about 70K. the only ones who ball like Long are the ones who have a specialized market identified and catered to.

most REAL pastors live on the humble.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Senior_Pastor/Salary

 

[Heist]

^^^This one.

 

[divine]

let's not forget that 'income' probably doesn't include, clothing, house, car etc.... Usually churches buy those things for the pedo.. i mean pastor.

man please.

the median income for pastors is 50k a year. it runs from 33k to about 70K. the only ones who ball like Long are the ones who have a specialized market identified and catered to.

most REAL pastors live on the humble.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Senior_Pastor/Salary

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

let's not forget that 'income' probably doesn't include, clothing, house, car etc.... Usually churches buy those things for the pedo.. i mean pastor.

it DOES include any financial gain, be it clothing, housing, cell phone, etc.

and since you bow to the alter of Apple i KNOW you aren't criticizing anyone.

 

[divine]

The site didn't say it included that.

And yes I am criticizing those pastors.

You bow to the alter of my nuts... in every thread I'm in. So I'm sure you would know...

it DOES include any financial gain, be it clothing, housing, cell phone, etc.

and since you bow to the alter of Apple i KNOW you aren't criticizing anyone.

 

[Nobody]

There are pastors who are using it as a hustle, no one denies this. But there's much more who do it for better reasons.

 

[Rocky Miavia]

Another suspect thread from this dude.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

The site didn't say it included that.

And yes I am criticizing those pastors.

You bow to the alter of my nuts... in every thread I'm in. So I'm sure you would know...

bitch ninja i dont follow your ass around...delusions of grandeur suffering motherfucker.

and if you'd looked diligently you would have seen that according to that site 33% of ministers surveyed got ZERO BENEFITS...housing, clothing allowance, healthcare, cellphone, etc.

why dont you go wipe your lips...looks like you've got some APPLESAUCE on them.

 

[Heist]

Another suspect thread from this dude.

Shouldn't you be posting some more child porn right about now?

 

[biggboye5000]

man please.

the median income for pastors is 50k a year. it runs from 33k to about 70K. the only ones who ball like Long are the ones who have a specialized market identified and catered to.

most REAL pastors live on the humble.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Senior_Pastor/Salary

This is not an indictment on every single individual who feels spiritually inclined from God to pastor a church. The church hustle is very easy pickings for a con trying to run game and get a lil paper. It's been happening for decades especially in the black church. This is not a theory hence no need for statistical data. Everyone knows this.

If a scandalous dude looking for a hustle looks at the setup it's easy to pull off. It is also not rare but very common. It's also not hard to find. There are churches fitting this description in every urban hood and rural community.

There is no need to defend real pastors. They do exist. Some will dismiss all organized religion altogether because of their personal experiences but that is another discussion.

That too is very common and easy to find. No data needed.

 

[divine]

Sorry bro, the facts are clear. You stay swinging from my nuts. You are in EVERY Apple thread I create. 100% of them!


So if only 33% say they don't receive benefits like cars, houses etc, guess how many do receive that shit! 67% of them. Faggot.

But the question was whether or not the 'salary' included the houses, cars etc. I know you're too stupid to understand the point... But try.

bitch ninja i dont follow your ass around...delusions of grandeur suffering motherfucker.

and if you'd looked diligently you would have seen that according to that site 33% of ministers surveyed got ZERO BENEFITS...housing, clothing allowance, healthcare, cellphone, etc.

why dont you go wipe your lips...looks like you've got some APPLESAUCE on them.

 

[TREY-GA]

...its a civil suit, meaning they need to show damages, prove damages....as a pastor, a preacher, a bishop, etc...long has a duty to treat those in his charge in a decent, professional way....if the young men were not gay but felt forced, coerced, or pressured in some way to go along with his advances then they have a case....they'll have to prove it in court, but they do have a case...most of this sounds like revenge on some level, but thats what happens when you're in a position of power and authority and someone you may have initiated a relationship with decides they don't want to play any more...the tables get turned, and the whole affair blows up in your face....it still may be tuff to prove in court, but the damage has been done, and he still may just settle it out of court, and hope they all just go away...my opinion is if there are 4 out there talking, there are even more out there somewhere lawyering up...not good for long...

 

[Damn Right]

bitch ninja i dont follow your ass around...delusions of grandeur suffering motherfucker.

and if you'd looked diligently you would have seen that according to that site 33% of ministers surveyed got ZERO BENEFITS...housing, clothing allowance, healthcare, cellphone, etc.

why dont you go wipe your lips...looks like you've got some APPLESAUCE on them.

1st we had mustard w/kina kara. now we got applesauce w/divine

 

[Heavenly Eddie Long]

I didn't do nothing. Just wanted to show them boys what a half-naked oily black man looks like so they stay away from it.

 

[J Storm]

I didn't do nothing. Just wanted to show them boys what a half-naked oily black man looks like so they stay away from it.

 

[VegasGuy]

Heist you say they are old enought not to be tricked into gay sex, but he tricks his whole church into giving him 10% of their wages. So if he can do that he can manipulate some teen boys to do gay shit.

You sound worse than Sarah Palin and Sharran Angle combined. Please shut up.



-VG

 

[The Plutonian]

Heist sometimes you just dont need to be posting. The more i try to give you the benefit of the doubt, you turn around and say the craziest bullshit.

Why the fuck would Eddie Long be trying to fuck a 17 year old ?? what does a grown ass man have in common with a 17 year old ??

Now i know you about to say something crazy, like always.. But before you do please think long and hard on it(PAUSE)

A 17 YEAR OLD MALE. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? WHAT HE DO WRONG? SON PlEASE

 

[PoppaSo]

They're looking to do two things to this man
1 they are looking to ruin his reputation as a bishop and put him out of business for good for being hypocritical

as far as what was illegal, nothing was illegal on the relationship front as far as age of consent and everything

where the bishop fucked up was buying them gifts and things BECAUSE now that this suit is coming into play it gives the IRS a chance to probe him nh and take a closer look at how he has been using the "church" funds. the misuse of funds that are supposed to be used for church is what's going to be the end of him. All of that stuff being given to the boys as gifts...if they came out of the "building fund" or the "new pew fund" then he's fucked. if that house or those cars or plane rides etc came out of the "help out the community" or "build a youth center" funds that people gave willingly to support those projects but instead went to support his lifestyle and those projects and things took a loss because of his personal gain.. this is where he's going to end up in the slammer.

not for fucking but because of these dudes civil case and claiming of getting gifts they're gonna probe into where that money came from and how he was able to get those gifts...and eddie's house is just a deck of cards...the irs is about to come and pluck it and end his run .

Period. This is what they were trying to do to all the MegaChurches before. It's like the OJ case, they couldn't get him one way, they got him another.

 

[woodchuck]

Period. This is what they were trying to do to all the MegaChurches before. It's like the OJ case, they couldn't get him one way, they got him another.

I hope for y'all's sake, this turns out to be all lies. The fact that he repeatedly played the "I'm not perfect" card, leads you to believe that he did something, and I don't think you guys are mentally equipped to deal with that something, whatever it may be. We naysayers are fully aware that these charges could be false, but you true believers can't deal with the possibility that they could be true. Not to you in particular, but this is what happens when you worship the man talking about God, and the God that the man is talking about.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Sorry bro, the facts are clear. You stay swinging from my nuts. You are in EVERY Apple thread I create. 100% of them!


So if only 33% say they don't receive benefits like cars, houses etc, guess how many do receive that shit! 67% of them. Faggot.

But the question was whether or not the 'salary' included the houses, cars etc. I know you're too stupid to understand the point... But try.

your dickheadedness knows no bounds.

again, if you looked at the data provided, 33% of pastors get ZERO benefits, the others surveyed may get SOME. not ALL BENEFITS. the salaries are broken down to include all financial gain from employment, INCLUDING benefits.

you are a giant putrid, crusty, crab infested asshole. one with Steve Job's name tattooed on it.

 

[mit_dropout]

Heist sometimes you just dont need to be posting. The more i try to give you the benefit of the doubt, you turn around and say the craziest bullshit.

Why the fuck would Eddie Long be trying to fuck a 17 year old ?? what does a grown ass man have in common with a 17 year old ??

Now i know you about to say something crazy, like always.. But before you do please think long and hard on it(PAUSE)

You misunderstood what Heist was asking. He wasnt asking the morality of the situation. He was asking what did he legally do wrong.

 

[jagu]

I hope for y'all's sake, this turns out to be all lies. .

 

[Heist]

You misunderstood what Heist was asking. He wasnt asking the morality of the situation. He was asking what did he legally do wrong.

^^^This one.

 

[cooliojones]

Not sure of all the details of this fuckery, but the causes of action the plaintiffs are alleging are breach of fiduciary duty, negligence, fraud, and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

The general premise of their arguments is that as an influential and powerful Pastor and spiritual advisor, Mr. Long had a controlling influence over the plaintiffs' conduct. He had a fiduciary responsibility to act in the best interests of those he had an immediate and direct influence over. By engaging in sexual acts with the plaintiffs, Mr. Long breached that duty and as a direct and immediate consequence of that breach, plaintiffs suffered severe emotional distress.

With regards to 'duty of care', a fiduciary duty is the highest level of trust and responsibility. One who owes a principal a fiduciary duty has to ensure that the principal's interests are best served.

This situation can also be described as "Pastor Malpractice" since legal malpractice cases are probably what lay people can analogize with what Eddie Long did wrong legally.

Heist you say they are old enought not to be tricked into gay sex, but he tricks his whole church into giving him 10% of their wages. So if he can do that he can manipulate some teen boys to do gay shit.

I gotta agree w/ the other dude, being tricked out of money is one thing (girls do it everyday). Being tricked to turn gay tricks? Oh hell naw. I coulda been 13 and still been like whoa dude, take ya hands off me.

BRUH have you seen how this nicca living dude got two maybachs a gotdamn phantom a private jet and a big ass mansion all in the good name of JESUS


Maybe i should start a church and trick this idiot muthafuckaz out of there hard earn cash

You wouldn't be the only one w/ that thought.

A fool and his money are soon parted is all I can say to that, but a fool and his asshole?!

C'mon son.



LMAO! Breach of fidicuary duty? Negilence? Failure to Warn? Fraud? LMAO! Those are going to be some very hard charges to prove.

Nah dude, those are some real charges, not something made up.

Tell me this then...would you trade places w/ Rev Ed right now? Snnce the charges seem so easy to beat (no homo or pun intended)

I thought ass fucking was a crime

In GA it is. And between same sex peeps, it should definitely be. A damn felony if you ask me.

Your question was legally what did Eddie Long do wrong? The answer involves looking at the facts in the light most favorable to the plaintiff and asking whether Mr. Long owed a fiduciary duty to the plaintiffs and if he did, did he breach that duty?

There is (not surprisingly) substantial case law supporting the position that Pastors and other clergymen owe fiduciary duties to their members, and that coercing sexual acts from those members can be actionable breaches of fiduciary duties.

Here's a 2009 Georgia Appellate court case that plainly addresses this point:

"A court or jury may find that a clergyman occupies a confidential relationship toward a member of his church. Further, an actionable breach of fiduciary duty may arise when a confidential relationship is abused for purposes of sexual gratification." Brewer v. Paulk, 296 Ga.App. 26, 30 (2009).

So on it's face, the plaintiffs appear to have a valid case. Issues of credibility are left to a finder of fact to determine.

Excellent analysis. That's it, based solely off of this, I say he's liable and he did what they said he did.

I hope for y'all's sake, this turns out to be all lies. The fact that he repeatedly played the "I'm not perfect" card, leads you to believe that he did something, and I don't think you guys are mentally equipped to deal with that something, whatever it may be. We naysayers are fully aware that these charges could be false, but you true believers can't deal with the possibility that they could be true. Not to you in particular, but this is what happens when you worship the man talking about God, and the God that the man is talking about.

Along with the fact that he never said he didn't touch or do sexual shit w/ them boys.

 

[divine]

your dickheadedness knows no bounds.

again, if you looked at the data provided, 33% of pastors get ZERO benefits, the others surveyed may get SOME. not ALL BENEFITS. the salaries are broken down to include all financial gain from employment, INCLUDING benefits.

you are a giant putrid, crusty, crab infested asshole. one with Steve Job's name tattooed on it.

And the fact remains 67% do get benefits. And th fact remains that you don't know if these benefits are included the stated salary. The fact also remians that you swing from my nuts and are in EVERY Apple thread I make.