Lawsuit seeks to order Detroit to restore water service to deadbeats

That transit will be built when detox 2 drops.


They pocket that money. They never had plans to build a transit.

All those sink holes that was going on in Detroit really slowed them down
 
Man, shit need to change.

The city of about 688,000 has more than 175,000 active residential water accounts, including about 80,000 past-due accounts owing $43 million. The average past-due amount is $540. About 15,000 customers have experienced shutoffs because of nonpayment in an effort to fix the city's finances in municipal bankruptcy.

But water-department officials said up to 60% of those whose water had been turned off had service restored within 48 hours after paying their overdue bills or getting into a payment program. City officials say an 8.7% increase in water rates for Detroit residents was prompted in part by those who receive water but don't pay for those services.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/detroits-water-cutoffs-spark-protests-1405714429
 
That transit will be built when detox 2 drops.


They pocket that money. They never had plans to build a transit.

All those sink holes that was going on in Detroit really slowed them down

are u a fortune teller?

Construction of the M1 Rail streetcar line officially begins Monday, July 28, and traffic in the lower Woodward Avenue area should get pretty hairy.

M1 Rail representatives said in an email Friday that work on the 3.3-mile lightrail line will close Woodward from Adams to Campus Martius Park for about 120 days.
 
Basic water service in Detroit costs...wait for it...$37.47/month, for 7500 gallons of water! That's a staggering 0.4 cents/gallon. For reference a, fairly long, 30-minute shower uses about 75 gallons of water (costing about 30 cents). Call me crazy, but instead of getting caught up in the "protest fever", let's try to look at some facts.

Most indigent people living in Detroit are renters and the landlord pays that "outrageous" bill. If you qualified for a mortgage, you sure as heck better have $40/month for water. Beleaguered City of Detroit retirees, while certainly not rolling in dough, bring in about $30k/year on average (pension + soc security), meaning they would pay less than 1.5% of their annual income for water. So exactly who are these unnamed sufferers who have lost their "God given right" to free indoor plumbing.

More importantly, who else is supposed to pay the bill. Philosophy be damned, the Water Dept employees and contractors aren't working on a volunteer basis. The people, equipment, pipes and infrastructure cost money; tons of it. So who is SUPPOSED to pay those salaries?

Given the unbelievable costs incurred to get fresh clean drinking water to your front door, $40/month is as reasonably close to "free" as you can expect. Especially when you compare it to the price of bottled water that is flying off the shelves at $4/case.

http://www.freep.com/comments/article/20140721/NEWS01/307210102/Detroit-water-shutoffs-lawsuit
 
YES!!

At my old place I was without water for several days because my landlord didn't pay the bill, even though it was included in my rent. When they cut it off he was over $400 back. I raised hell and got compensated, but in the meantime I was unable to shower or cook. I had to shit in a shopping bag and throw it out in the bus stop trash bin after dark.

Fortunately my neighbor showed me how to turn on the water main from the street without getting caught. The problem there is if you DO get caught you get hit with a stiff fine which sets you back even further.

Nobody should have to live like that just because they're broke or in bad circumstances. How the fuck is someone supposed to be presentable at a job interview if they can't even wash their ass? How are they supposed to make the most of the money they do have if they have to eat out because they can't even boil a pot of ramen noodles?

What is the point of economic progress when you have 7,000 people who can't even drink a glass of water?
 
Basic water service in Detroit costs...wait for it...$37.47/month, for 7500 gallons of water! That's a staggering 0.4 cents/gallon. For reference a, fairly long, 30-minute shower uses about 75 gallons of water (costing about 30 cents). Call me crazy, but instead of getting caught up in the "protest fever", let's try to look at some facts.

Most indigent people living in Detroit are renters and the landlord pays that "outrageous" bill. If you qualified for a mortgage, you sure as heck better have $40/month for water. Beleaguered City of Detroit retirees, while certainly not rolling in dough, bring in about $30k/year on average (pension + soc security), meaning they would pay less than 1.5% of their annual income for water. So exactly who are these unnamed sufferers who have lost their "God given right" to free indoor plumbing.

More importantly, who else is supposed to pay the bill. Philosophy be damned, the Water Dept employees and contractors aren't working on a volunteer basis. The people, equipment, pipes and infrastructure cost money; tons of it. So who is SUPPOSED to pay those salaries?

Given the unbelievable costs incurred to get fresh clean drinking water to your front door, $40/month is as reasonably close to "free" as you can expect. Especially when you compare it to the price of bottled water that is flying off the shelves at $4/case.http://www.freep.com/comments/article/20140721/NEWS01/307210102/Detroit-water-shutoffs-lawsuit

Do you really believe that 7,000 people just woke up one day and all decided to be irresponsible?
 
i am from detroit. born and raised in political circles. i understand the politics.

with that said how can anyone complain about a service being turned off when they haven't paid their bill in months. its not like people are getting shut off for a couple of missed payments.

some of these people haven't paid in years.

The city has a delinquent $5mil water bill but they aren't shut off. Ford owes the city $20mil but they aren't shut off. Let's duck with the poor people and shut them off. Many of them are purine charged inflated prices or what the previous tenant owed.
 
Detroit Shuts Off Water to Residents but Not to Businesses Who Owe Millions
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...s-but-not-to-businesses-who-owe-millions.html


"The $9.5 million owed by non-residents would amount to $625 for each severed customer and $103 for those in shutoff status.

So far, most businesses have been exempt. At the beginning of July, the department issued 10-day shutoff notices to 250 commercial customers. Despite repeated requests, the department was unable to say how many of those, if any, have had their services discontinued. Vargo Golf Co., an Oakland County-based golf course management firm, owes $478,000, while a business called Russell Industrial Associations is more than $181,000 behind."


"The No. 1 scofflaw isn’t a business but the State of Michigan, which the department said owes more than $5 million. Dave Murray, deputy press secretary for Gov. Rick Snyder (who is sheparding Detroit through the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history) said the bills have been disputed for the last five years over a possible broken water main near the old state fairgrounds in the city limits, which was mothballed several years ago."
 
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Nicole Hill holds up her past-due water bill at her home in Detroit. Her water has been off for about six weeks. (Paul Sancya / Associated Press)
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Detroit's decision to cut water service to delinquent households raises human rights questions

Nearly half of Detroit's water customers are delinquent, and the city is cracking down

It has been six weeks since the city turned off Nicole Hill's water.

Dirty dishes are piled in the sink of her crowded kitchen, where the yellow-and-green linoleum floor is soiled and sticky. A small garbage can is filled with water from a neighbor, while a bigger one sits outside in the yard, where she hopes it will collect some rain. She's developed an intricate recycling system of washing the dishes, cleaning the floor and flushing the toilet with the same water.

"It's frightening, because you think this is something that only happens somewhere like Africa," said Hill, a single mother who is studying homeland security at a local college. "But now I know what they're going through — when I get somewhere there's a water faucet, I drink until my stomach hurts."

Hill is one of thousands of residents in Detroit who have had their water and sewer services turned off as part of a crackdown on customers who are behind on their bills. In April, the city set a target of cutting service to 3,000 customers a week who were more than $150 behind on their bills. In May, the water department sent out 46,000 warnings and cut off service to 4,531. The city says that cutting off water is the only way to get people to pay their bills as Detroit tries to emerge from bankruptcy — the utility is currently owed $90 million from customers, and nearly half the city's 300,000 or so accounts are past due.

But cutting off water to people already living in poverty came under criticism last week from the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, whose experts said that Detroit was violating international standards by cutting off access to water. "When there is genuine inability to pay, human rights simply forbids disconnections," Catarina de Albuquerque, the office's expert on the human right to water and sanitation, said in the communique.

"Are we the kind of people that resort to shutting water off when there are disabled people and seniors?" said Maureen Taylor, chair of the Michigan Welfare Rights Organization. "We live near the Great Lakes, we have the greatest source of fresh water on Earth, and we still can't get water here."

The issue of utility affordability is acute in Detroit, with its high proportion of low-income residents and an infrastructure whose costs were once borne by a much larger population. But municipal analysts say the problem is becoming more prevalent everywhere as extreme weather and its unusual range of high and low temperatures force utility bills ever upward.

In Iowa, for instance, there were nearly 10,000 electricity and gas disconnections in April, a state record, as the weather warmed and utilities could shut off power without breaking the law. (Many states have laws prohibiting the disconnection of gas or electricity during the cold winter or hot summer months.)

But the price of water and sewer services has far outpaced other utilities and the rate of inflation, according to Jan Beecher with the Institute of Public Utilities at Michigan State University. The reason is that much of the nation is in a construction and renovation cycle, with cities spending billions on renovations after long neglecting them.

Whereas federal programs have been developed to help people pay for the rising cost of fuel and electricity, no such program exists for water, Beecher said.

"We've never really developed a clear public policy toward universal service and water," Beecher said. "International organizations are concerned with a basic level of service, but with water, the tricky thing is that drinking water would fall into that, but watering the lawn would not be considered a basic human right."

"The real issue is the obligation of the utility to bill affordably so that people will be able to avoid disconnections of service," said Roger Colton, a consultant with Fisher Sheehan and Colton who specializes in the economics of utilities. "That's the issue that is quickly coming to the forefront."

The last time Detroit began shutting off water for unpaid bills a decade ago, Colton worked with the Michigan Poverty Law Program to develop a program that would help the water department collect money while still keeping water affordable. He found that whereas the federal Environmental Protection Agency recommends that families spend no more than 2.5% of their pretax income on water and sewer service, some Detroit residents were paying more than 20%.

Colton argues that cities won't get the money they want by simply shutting off services. Instead, he says, utilities should require residents to pay a percentage of their income to the water department for service.


"If you give someone a more affordable bill, you end up collecting more of the bills," he said.

Taking Colton's advice into account, Detroit's water department implemented a program that allowed residents to start making payments on their bills even if they were thousands of dollars behind. But that program was cut during the city's bankruptcy, said Lorray Brown, with the Michigan Poverty Law Program. The city, still in bankruptcy, is probably not in a position to pay for a similar program now, she said.

A line of angry customers waited on Thursday outside a customer service office for the water and sewer department. "Water is a life utility. You can do without lights and gas. But how are you going to do without water?" said Marcus McMiller, who was waiting in line with dozens of others.

McMiller said he thought he was current on his bill, but when he called the city, he was told that his house was listed as unoccupied. He was hoping to get his water service resumed by paying the $312 he was told he owed.

Nicole Hill said she was told she owed $5,754, which she finds impossible to believe. She moved into her apartment five years ago, and right away the water bills seemed strange — $200 a month or more. When she called the water department to have it check on her water, she didn't get anywhere, she said.

For the last two years, she has paid $2,800 to try to get caught up, but the utility wants her to pay $1,700 more before she can even get on a payment plan — an amount she doesn't have.

Now her car has broken down, and she has to depend on friends for rides to get water. Her three children are staying with friends because she fears that child protection authorities will take them away if they find they are living in a home without running water.

Her son said he was worried about her because he had never seen her cry before — until lately. "I literally feel like I'm going back to 'Little House on the Prairie' days," Hill said, standing in her kitchen, where a pan sat dirty on the stove.


She's called dozens of service groups looking for help, and has been approached about entering into a class-action lawsuit against the city for the water shutoffs. Hill said she doesn't care about a settlement from the city, or even an apology. All she wants, she said, is to be able to turn on her tap and take a long, cold drink.


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But she got her hair and nails done - just saying
 
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Nicole Hill holds up her past-due water bill at her home in Detroit. Her water has been off for about six weeks. (Paul Sancya / Associated Press)
ALANA SEMUELS contact the reporter PovertySocial IssuesEnvironmental PoliticsHuman Rights

Detroit's decision to cut water service to delinquent households raises human rights questions

Nearly half of Detroit's water customers are delinquent, and the city is cracking down

It has been six weeks since the city turned off Nicole Hill's water.

Dirty dishes are piled in the sink of her crowded kitchen, where the yellow-and-green linoleum floor is soiled and sticky. A small garbage can is filled with water from a neighbor, while a bigger one sits outside in the yard, where she hopes it will collect some rain. She's developed an intricate recycling system of washing the dishes, cleaning the floor and flushing the toilet with the same water.

"It's frightening, because you think this is something that only happens somewhere like Africa," said Hill, a single mother who is studying homeland security at a local college. "But now I know what they're going through — when I get somewhere there's a water faucet, I drink until my stomach hurts."

Hill is one of thousands of residents in Detroit who have had their water and sewer services turned off as part of a crackdown on customers who are behind on their bills. In April, the city set a target of cutting service to 3,000 customers a week who were more than $150 behind on their bills. In May, the water department sent out 46,000 warnings and cut off service to 4,531. The city says that cutting off water is the only way to get people to pay their bills as Detroit tries to emerge from bankruptcy — the utility is currently owed $90 million from customers, and nearly half the city's 300,000 or so accounts are past due.

But cutting off water to people already living in poverty came under criticism last week from the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, whose experts said that Detroit was violating international standards by cutting off access to water. "When there is genuine inability to pay, human rights simply forbids disconnections," Catarina de Albuquerque, the office's expert on the human right to water and sanitation, said in the communique.

"Are we the kind of people that resort to shutting water off when there are disabled people and seniors?" said Maureen Taylor, chair of the Michigan Welfare Rights Organization. "We live near the Great Lakes, we have the greatest source of fresh water on Earth, and we still can't get water here."

The issue of utility affordability is acute in Detroit, with its high proportion of low-income residents and an infrastructure whose costs were once borne by a much larger population. But municipal analysts say the problem is becoming more prevalent everywhere as extreme weather and its unusual range of high and low temperatures force utility bills ever upward.

In Iowa, for instance, there were nearly 10,000 electricity and gas disconnections in April, a state record, as the weather warmed and utilities could shut off power without breaking the law. (Many states have laws prohibiting the disconnection of gas or electricity during the cold winter or hot summer months.)

But the price of water and sewer services has far outpaced other utilities and the rate of inflation, according to Jan Beecher with the Institute of Public Utilities at Michigan State University. The reason is that much of the nation is in a construction and renovation cycle, with cities spending billions on renovations after long neglecting them.

Whereas federal programs have been developed to help people pay for the rising cost of fuel and electricity, no such program exists for water, Beecher said.

"We've never really developed a clear public policy toward universal service and water," Beecher said. "International organizations are concerned with a basic level of service, but with water, the tricky thing is that drinking water would fall into that, but watering the lawn would not be considered a basic human right."

"The real issue is the obligation of the utility to bill affordably so that people will be able to avoid disconnections of service," said Roger Colton, a consultant with Fisher Sheehan and Colton who specializes in the economics of utilities. "That's the issue that is quickly coming to the forefront."

The last time Detroit began shutting off water for unpaid bills a decade ago, Colton worked with the Michigan Poverty Law Program to develop a program that would help the water department collect money while still keeping water affordable. He found that whereas the federal Environmental Protection Agency recommends that families spend no more than 2.5% of their pretax income on water and sewer service, some Detroit residents were paying more than 20%.

Colton argues that cities won't get the money they want by simply shutting off services. Instead, he says, utilities should require residents to pay a percentage of their income to the water department for service.


"If you give someone a more affordable bill, you end up collecting more of the bills," he said.

Taking Colton's advice into account, Detroit's water department implemented a program that allowed residents to start making payments on their bills even if they were thousands of dollars behind. But that program was cut during the city's bankruptcy, said Lorray Brown, with the Michigan Poverty Law Program. The city, still in bankruptcy, is probably not in a position to pay for a similar program now, she said.

A line of angry customers waited on Thursday outside a customer service office for the water and sewer department. "Water is a life utility. You can do without lights and gas. But how are you going to do without water?" said Marcus McMiller, who was waiting in line with dozens of others.

McMiller said he thought he was current on his bill, but when he called the city, he was told that his house was listed as unoccupied. He was hoping to get his water service resumed by paying the $312 he was told he owed.

Nicole Hill said she was told she owed $5,754, which she finds impossible to believe. She moved into her apartment five years ago, and right away the water bills seemed strange — $200 a month or more. When she called the water department to have it check on her water, she didn't get anywhere, she said.

For the last two years, she has paid $2,800 to try to get caught up, but the utility wants her to pay $1,700 more before she can even get on a payment plan — an amount she doesn't have.

Now her car has broken down, and she has to depend on friends for rides to get water. Her three children are staying with friends because she fears that child protection authorities will take them away if they find they are living in a home without running water.

Her son said he was worried about her because he had never seen her cry before — until lately. "I literally feel like I'm going back to 'Little House on the Prairie' days," Hill said, standing in her kitchen, where a pan sat dirty on the stove.


She's called dozens of service groups looking for help, and has been approached about entering into a class-action lawsuit against the city for the water shutoffs. Hill said she doesn't care about a settlement from the city, or even an apology. All she wants, she said, is to be able to turn on her tap and take a long, cold drink.


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But she got her hair and nails done - just saying
Shut up white boy.....
 
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