L.A. Better than NYC?

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I never cared too much for his music, but this is a rich guy. And while i really liked LA, it was imssing some of the nYC energy I am accustomed to:
http://creativetimereports.org/2014/02/03/moby-los-angeles-first-city-of-the-apocalypse/

Moby: Los Angeles, The First City of the Apocalypse
By Moby Los Angeles, CA, USA
February 3, 2014

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Once he realized New York had become an unaffordable city that people "visit, observe, patronize and document, but don’t actually add to," Moby moved to Los Angeles, drawn by its ethos of experimentation and its comfort with failure.

I was born on 148th Street in 1965, and from then until the late 1990s it never dawned on me to live anywhere other than New York City. When I lived on 14th Street in the late ‘80s, I paid $140 a month to share an apartment with a bunch of other odd and dysfunctional musicians and artists. AIDS, crack and a high murder rate kept most people away from New York back then. But even though it was a war zone, or perhaps to some extent because it was a war zone, Manhattan was still the cultural capital of the world. Of course everything’s changed since. New York has, to state the obvious, become the city of money. People say your rent should be 30 percent of your salary; in Manhattan today, at least for many people, it’s hovering around 300 percent.

The gradual shift in New York’s economic fortunes and mores reminds me of the boiling frog theory. If you take a frog and throw it in a pot of boiling water, the frog will do everything in its power to escape. But if you place a frog in room-temperature water and slowly raise the heat, it will boil to death without realizing it’s dying. (I truly hope this theory will never actually be tested.) That’s what happened to me in New York. I was so accustomed to the city’s absurd cult of money that it took me years to notice I didn’t have any artist friends left in Manhattan, and the artists and musicians I knew were slowly moving farther and farther east, with many parts of Brooklyn even becoming too pricey for aspiring or working artists.


New York had entered the pantheon of big cities that people visit and observe and patronize and document, but don’t actually add to, like Paris.

During the 1990s, thanks to the cessation of the crack epidemic, New York became increasingly safer and more affluent, and less artist-friendly, but it was still the place I wanted to call home. What happened next reminded me of Gremlins: you’re not supposed to feed the gremlins after midnight or they metastasize. Gremlin midnight came to New York sometime in the mid-‘90s. I realized then that most people I met in New York were happily observing and talking about culture, but not necessarily contributing to it. It seemed New York had entered the pantheon of big cities that people visit and observe and patronize and document, but don’t actually add to, like Paris. No one goes to Paris imagining how they can contribute to the city. People go to Paris thinking, “Wow, I want to get my picture taken with Paris in the background.” That’s what New York became, a victim of its own photogenic beauty and success.

And, to again state the obvious, New York is exclusively about success—it’s success that has been fed steroids and B vitamins. There’s a sense that New Yorkers never fail, but if they do, they’re exorcised from memory, kind of like Trotsky in early pictures of the Soviet Communist Politburo. In New York you can be easily overwhelmed by how much success everyone else seems to be having, whereas in L.A., everybody publicly fails at some point—even the most successful people. A writer’s screenplay may be turned into a major movie, but there’s a good chance her next five screenplays won’t even get picked up. An actor may star in acclaimed films for two years, then go a decade without work. A musician who has sold well might put out a complete failure of a record—then bounce back with the next one. Experimentation and a grudging familiarity with occasional failure are part of L.A.’s ethos.


Experimentation and a grudging familiarity with occasional failure are part of L.A.’s ethos.

Maybe I’m romanticizing failure, but when it’s shared, it can be emancipating and even create solidarity. Young artists in L.A. can really experiment, and if their efforts fall short, it’s not that bad because their rent is relatively cheap and almost everyone else they know is trying new things and failing, too. There’s also the exciting, and not unprecedented, prospect of succeeding at a global level. You can make something out of nothing here. Take Katy Perry. She’s a perfectly fine singer who one minute was literally couch surfing and the next was a household name selling out 50,000-capacity stadiums. Or Quentin Tarantino, one minute a video clerk, the next minute one of the most successful writer/directors in history. Los Angeles captures that strange, exciting and at times delusional American notion of magical self-invention.

I don’t want to create a New York-L.A. dichotomy, because both cities are progressive and wonderful, and there are clearly many other great American cities. Artists aren’t just leaving New York for L.A.—they’re also going to Portland, Minneapolis, Miami, Atlanta, Philadelphia and countless other places. And, as an aside, I don’t know why they aren’t moving to Newark. It’s 15 minutes away from Manhattan and remarkably cheap. I think it’s the unwarranted New Jersey stigma that unfortunately keeps people from crossing the Hudson. People would rather move to the worst part of Brooklyn and still have the magical “NY” in their address. That single consonant on their mail—”Y” as opposed to “J”— seems to keep people from making that 15-minute trek to Newark.

Plenty of other cities in the United States and abroad are, of course, interesting and beautiful, but I moved to L.A. due to its singular pre-apocalyptic strangeness. It seems equally baffled and baffling, with urban and suburban and wilderness existing in fantastic chaos just inches away from one another. There’s no center to L.A, and in many ways it’s kind of a fantastically confused petri dish of an anti-city. If you’re in New York, Brussels, London or Milan, you’re surrounded by a world that has been subdued and overseen by humans for centuries, sometimes for millennia. They’re stable cities; and when you’re in an older city you feel a sense of safety, as if you’re in a city that’s been, and being, well looked after. You feel like most well-established and conventional cities know what they’re doing. L.A., on the other hand, is constantly changing and always seemingly an inch away from some sort of benign collapse.

If you look at some of L.A.’s patron saint artists, like Robert Irwin and James Turrell, their work is about the vast, unknowable and at times uncaring strangeness of the world we live in—not the human world, but the natural world. And it makes sense: nature, with all its empty, otherworldly expanses, is the constant, hulking neighbor to Los Angeles. The moment you leave L.A., you’re in a desert that would most likely kill you if you left your water bottle at home. For southern California, humanity is the weird exception, not the rule.

L.A.’s strange environment and contradictions have also shaped the sound of my recent music. My last album, Innocents, is a fairly quiet and domestic record, almost like whistling in the dark in the face of the vast maw. And if I were more of a weird, brave artist—and maybe I’ll do this in the future—I would move out into the desert and let its vastness and uncaringness inform what I’m doing. So far I have made quiet sounds as something of a retreat into my home.

I should admit I have an ulterior motive in promoting L.A. I’m so outspoken about my love for the city because I want my friends to move here. When friends from New York ask me why I moved here, I say, somewhat elusively, “David Lynch lives here, there’s the Museum of Jurassic Technology, rents are relatively cheap, and I can run around outside 365 days of the year. Oh, and there are still recording studios in L.A.” And I’m always sending them real estate listings, especially when they complain about the cost of real estate in New York (in other words: constantly). If the weather is bad in New York in February, I’ll also be a clichéd Angeleno and send them a picture of me outside by the pool. Not just because I’m an asshole and I like shameless Schadenfreude, but also because I think they’d be happier here, especially those who are trying to start families. Even friends of mine who are making very good salaries of $150,000 a year feel dirt-poor when they picture raising kids in New York. My friends who are trying to start families in New York have given up on simple things, like ever having a 50-square-foot backyard for their kids. A good domestic life is simply more attainable here, as L.A has both invented and perfected that strange balance between the suburban and the apocalyptic. But let’s be clear, I have an agenda: I want my friends to join me here so I can sit with them by my pool in February and look at the weather updates for the rest of the Western world and feel smug together.

This piece, commissioned by Creative Time Reports, has also been published by The Guardian.
 
No way to answer that.

It comes down to what you want out of a city.

NYC and LA have their strengths and weaknesses, and they are VERY different.
 
i dont see why the fuck anyone would wanna live in NYC. and expensive ass concrete hell hole. where the fuck are the trees?!

L.A. has Sunshine, beautiful weather, weed, latinas for days. its expensive as fuck too but if i had to choose one over the other id choose NYC. i have no desire to go there. everyone i know from there says there dont have a desire to go back. anytime any of my associates travel there the main complain is paying hella money for small ass hotel rooms :lol:
 
i dont see why the fuck anyone would wanna live in NYC. and expensive ass concrete hell hole. where the fuck are the trees?!

I have plenty of trees where I live:dunno:. I love my city because there is always something to do. Events/Festivals are always happening. Then there is the whole melting put aspect. I like how you can get to experience all the different cultures this city offers. From the canal street(chinatown)New Years festivities to the West Indian parade. I went to a Medieval Festival in Fort Tryon Park a few months back. This city is always jumping:yes::yes:

It is expensive though:hmm:
 
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Y'all should come to the south.

Housing is cheap, it rains a lot, its slow, liquor stores close after 9 (stop serving drinks at 2am), a lot of country and unused land amongst other things. :hmm:
 
Visited NY many times. not impressed aside from the black cultural activities and influences that date back to the Harlem Renaissance. Moved back to LA from Atl. Loved ATL, but the moon and planets didn't allign right. I'm trying to leave LA too. just can't shake the warm weather and good vapors.
 
ATL, $227k+ 5 bed, 4 full bath, 3,380 sqft

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That's sexy but is that the type of situation where I have to drive 30-50 minutes just to get some almond milk? supermarket is right across the street from me. I enjoy convenience.....but damn that house looks awesome.
 
That's sexy but is that the type of situation where I have to drive 30-50 minutes just to get some almond milk? supermarket is right across the street from me. I enjoy convenience.

bro look at that, u not gonna be able to walk down the street to the grocery store from a property like that. now i seen some shit over in marietta that look like million dollar rap video homes that are like right off the street. im from the country so i never seen shit like that :lol:
 
Being that I live in both, in my opinion going to school in L.A. >> NYC , but as an adult and having to make a living NYC >>L.A.
 
to each is on some people dont want all dat house land and some do but to say one place is betta than da other is dumb cause both places have there goods and bads jus like anywhere else.
 
NYC for me. Been to LA once. If are making a living in NYC it's the most fascinating place on earth. New York is like experiencing the whole world in one place. Residents don't have to say anything, the world does it for us. When people in other countries speak of dreams if America where do they say they wanna go?
 
L.a. is wack... Vegas all day

Vegas???? Gtgoh Vegas is the worst city you can possibly live in. Outside the strip vegas is a depressing dustbowl slum full of degenerate ex LA gangbangers, mexica s and cac meth addicts. Vegas... foh.
 
If I had the means, I wouldn't mind having a condo in each city. Spend May-Sept in Manhattan and Oct-April in LaLa. I'm a NJ guy, and I'm not married to the area, but I dig NYC when it's warm.... gotta love a big city where there's always shit to do, and you really don't need a car to get around to it all. ....but one of the greatest feelings I ever had was flying out to LA in march, leaving 37 degree weather behind and hanging out on at Venice beach wearing summer clothes for the weekend.

lol... glad he tried to defend NJ a little...didn't work, but he tried. ...and I didn't know rents were cheap in LA.
 
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Wait, Moby's from Harlem?

:eek::eek::eek:

That's the SAME EXACT SHIT I just said to myself!

And I'm trying to leave NYC...AGAIN!!!

One of my customers (who was a Urban Planning Manager for NYC) and his wife are trying to get me to come out to Redondo Beach.

And a few of my former co-workers have been working on me to move to San Francisco.

I was in Los Angeles in '90.
Place just wasn't my thing.

I ended up in Portland, Oregon for 14 years instead.
 
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Thats funny as hell most of the people I fuck wit out here are artists of some kind and from the east coast and i cant think of one person who really likes it or would live here if it werent necessary for work. Moved from NY to LA over 2 years ago for business - and while its more spacious and cheaper than NYC (not much cheaper if you want to live outside of a pseudo slum or gang pocket and more expensive to own) Moby is blowin a gang of smoke, especially in that its a better place for "artists".

NY is a shadow of its former self but in comparison LA is horrible, all that inspirational soundin shit he was talkin was absolute bullshit - almost no community, culture or opportunities here and very little of what could be considered "art". If youre not already in entertainment there is no reason to move here. I could go into a book full of additional reasons why LA aint shit but I wont bore you

Ny is big hoax and i live here
Fuck this place

trust me LA aint the answer. at the time i moved i was tired as fuck of NYC and felt pretty much the same way....now i'm back there every chance i get just to get away from this fuckin amorphous cesspool. there isnt a bigger hoax in this world than hollywood
 
i dont see why the fuck anyone would wanna live in NYC. and expensive ass concrete hell hole. where the fuck are the trees?!

L.A. has Sunshine, beautiful weather, weed, latinas for days. its expensive as fuck too but if i had to choose one over the other id choose NYC. i have no desire to go there. everyone i know from there says there dont have a desire to go back. anytime any of my associates travel there the main complain is paying hella money for small ass hotel rooms :lol:

:lol:It's clear you never REALLY been in NYC. There are Millions
of Latinas. We have Dominicans, Puerto Ricans & all others...Cali Has Mexicans
I'll take Dominican Girls over Mexican ANYDAY
L.A. is the Size of Brooklyn, It's too small every one is from
somewhere else & I.Q. is extremely low there.
I was born & raised here. This city has everything you
could possibly want.
FYI - Only Hotels with small rooms are CHEAP HOTELS (get ya $ up)
FYI - If you don't want a 500 sqf Apartment get a better job
 
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:lol:It's clear you never REALLY been in NYC. There are Millions
of Latinas.
L.A. is the Size of Brooklyn, It's too small every one is from
somewhere else & I.Q. is extremely low there.
I was born & raised here. This city has everything you
could possibly want.
FYI - Only Hotels with small rooms are CHEAP HOTELS (get ya $ up)
FYI - If you don't want a 500 sqf Apartment get a better job

:smh::smh::smh:
 
maaan after ghouliani and the weed fell the fuck off,

and cacs from all over the world want to live in harlem

now, sending most new yorkers south...

new york is really just a tourist attraction.....

I can easily adjust to west coast life style..

snoop wasnt lyin they truly got that sticky

icky out there...

new york USED to take the lead on shit like that...

they took a L for sure on that shit!!!

I used to defend new york,

its like an ex girl friend, yeah I used to love her,

but fuck her now!!!
 
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