Kobe's right: The Dream Team would lose

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Editor's note: Shayne Lee is associate professor of sociology at the University of Houston. He writes about sports, politics, religion and popular culture.
(CNN) -- The 1992 Barcelona Olympics mark the first games in which Team USA included NBA athletes. It was called the "Dream Team."
The Dream Team comprised a coterie of NBA legends, including Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley, John Stockton, and of course, "His Airness" Michael Jordan. Its claim to the title of best basketball team ever has remained virtually unchallenged for two decades.
That is, until last week, when Lakers guard Kobe Bryant suggested this year's Olympic team, featuring himself along with NBA superstars LeBron James and Kevin Durant, could beat the heralded Dream Team.
Suffice it to say, Bryant's assertion shook up the sports world.

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The vigorous responses on ESPN, talk radio and in cyberspace are fierce rebukes directed at the five-time champion for declaring what many commentators, bloggers and pundits deem blasphemous.
Michael Jordan laughed when recalling Bryant's statement, telling reporters that his Dream Team was too smart and too good to lose to this current contingent of NBA youngsters. Similarly, Charles Barkley chided Bryant, arguing that Kevin, LeBron and Kobe are the only Team USA players good enough to have made the 1992 Dream Team roster.
The general consensus appears to side with Jordan and Barkley. In informal online polls, an overwhelming majority of the public favored the Dream Team over our current Olympic Team in a hypothetical matchup.
Judging by the polls, pundits and prognostications on the issue, few seem to be taking Kobe's sacrilege seriously.
But I do.
In fact, I believe Kobe Bryant's team would not only win, but also win comfortably. What makes this social scientist so sure?
There is a general principle within elite performance systems, including everything from Scripps National Spelling Bee Championships to world-class modern dance companies, scientific research communities and professional sports. In competitive systems that offer participants great incentives, peak levels of performance progressively elevate.
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Simply put, spelling bee finalists, elite dancers, noted scientists, and superstar athletes get better and better over time.
For example, Alvin Ailey, the founder of the prestigious Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, and Judith Jamison, the dancing legend who elevated the company to world-class status, would not have been strong and athletic enough to secure spots in the same company if transported a few decades into the future while still in their primes. As decades passed, the physicality of the dancers in their company progressed far beyond Ailey's and Jamison's capabilities.
The sports world is no different from the elite world of modern dance in that a whole lot can happen in just a few decades. Sports science advances, training regiments improve, coaching schemes gain sophistication, conditioning capabilities increase and practice procedures progress.
As a result of these cumulative advances, athletes become bigger, stronger, faster and better.
In 1972, Mark Spitz was the greatest swimmer in the world, winning seven gold medals in the Munich Olympics. But 20 years later, all of Spitz's record times were not just broken, but shattered. In fact, 1992 medalist Matt Biondi's best time in the 100-meters freestyle (long course) was almost three seconds faster than Spitz's 1972 mark of 51.2 seconds, a world of difference in the event. Biondi's record was broken by César Cielo from Brazil, who holds the long-course record with a time of 46.91 seconds.
In figure skating, a quadruple jump, or toe loop, was inconceivable in the 1970s. By the 1988 World Championships, Canada's Kurt Browning landed the first valid quad toe loop. Twenty years after Browning's pioneer landing, the difficult move is part of the repertoires of most male Olympic figure skaters.
Today's swimmers, sprinters, pole vaulters, shot putters, divers and long-jumpers are considerably better than their 1992 predecessors. Few, if any, athletic records last more than a decade before better athletes break them, and then in the next decade shatter them as a new breed of competitor emerges.
Some records appear unbreakable in certain sports, but the progression in ability can explain why. Transport Steffi Graf from the 1990s into today's tennis circuit. Could her startling feat of maintaining World No. 1 ranking for 377 weeks happen today, when many more women detonate blistering service games, discharge powerful forehands and display dazzling speed and footwork? To put this into perspective, Graf's fastest serve was 112 mph. Venus Williams' fastest serve is 127 mph.
Similarly, transport Joe DiMaggio a few decades into the future and his record 56-game hitting streak would have to be accomplished pitted against better defenses, fresh relief pitchers at the end of games, harder fastballs, slicker sliders and increased baseball knowledge.
The possibility that Graf and DiMaggio's records may never be broken only speaks to how much competition in tennis and baseball has strengthened. Although swimmers and sprinters face no resistance beyond water and air, peak-performance feats in other sports must face strong defenses, which only improve as each sport gains sophistication. Wilt Chamberlain scoring 100 points in the era of Bill Russell is different from Chamberlain having a 100-point game in the era of Patrick Ewing, David Robinson and Shaquille O'Neal.
Today's NFL safeties, linebackers and defensive ends are undoubtedly faster and stronger than their 1992 counterparts. Football's all-time leading wide-receiver Jerry Rice would struggle to get open for a pass when running routes against today's speedy cornerbacks, just as few NFL teams would draft Joe Namath and Roger Staubach if the two Hall of Fame quarterbacks were transported into the 1990s while in their primes.
Transport any NBA legend 20 years into the future and he would have to compete against a new breed of athlete. Which means we can presume that:
Walt "Clyde" Frazier, Willis Reed and Phil Jackson, players on the 1973 Knicks championship team, would be too slow in their positions to help any NBA team win a championship in 1993.
John Havlicek would not steal the ball in Game 7 of the 1985 Eastern Conference Championship like he did in 1965 because he is comfortably seated on the bench.
Oscar Robertson in the 1960s is an indomitable force; the same Oscar Robertson in the 1980s would be a serviceable journeyman.
Magic Johnson in his prime would be too slow to play point guard in today's locomotive landscape, just as Larry Bird would be too slow to guard any of today's elite small forwards.
Can you imagine Magic chasing after Team USA's speedy guard Russell Westbrook, or Bird trying to contain Carmelo Anthony? It wouldn't be pretty.
So there you have it. The new breed trumps the old. Today's Scripps National Spelling Bee winner would crush the 1992 winner in a spell-off. Today's Alvin Ailey dancers dance like superhumans compared with 1992 Ailey. Even today's competitive eaters vaporize hot dogs far faster than yesteryear's carnivores. This year, Joey Chestnut downed 68 hot dogs in 10 minutes, crushing Takeru Kobayashi's 2002 mark by almost 20 dogs, and two minutes faster at that.
Transport this year's Team USA back to 1992 and the heralded Dream Team loses to Kobe's kinetic crew by a wide margin.
 
That's real talk. Every record that existed has been broken since 1992. But some basketball scoring records still exist from way before 1992. But the game has changed. But I respect the view presented here.
 
Maybe. If the 12 team was at full strength and used speed, they could win. But the 92 team would recognize the speed advantage, slow the fuck out of the game, and man handle them in the paint.

If 92 is in beast mode, they win an ugly ass game 88-82.
 
interesting read. I had this same argument with my friend the other day and told him the same thing. Today's athletes are just too bigger faster and stronger than athletes 20 years ago. He then told me that the 92 team were blowing countries out, I said of course they were because 1, that's the first team to include nba stars and 2, most countries after that point were trying to catch up to the us talent wise. Do you think barry sanders or emmitt smith would get 1000 yards on todays complex fast defenses? That's actually a good argument...you give barry a good zone blocking o line and its possible
 
This is my same argument.
Perfect example: LeBron James is Magic Johnson in today's game (but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more athletic). Kobe bryant is Jordan in todays game. Kevin Love is Bird in today's game. Durant...... well, he's a first with this height and shooting accuracy and ball handling.
 
Yesterday the US team had issues with Pau Gasol and late in the game had to resort to putting Kevin Love on him so what the hell would they do to stop the big men of the 92 team who by and large were not only great low post players but also had mid range jumpers? And as it's been said earlier they would not be able to force The Dream Team into a bunch of turnovers that translates into easy buckets. And their weakness is their half court offense which they would have to play in and be able to execute consistently in.
 
Peace,

We're talking about a basketball game, not a foot race. The 'progressively elevated' performance argument falls flat on its face when you consider the fact that today's NBA players rely TOO heavily on athleticism and not enough on basketball fundamentals and knowledge of the game.
 
If the defense style like 92 with the hard fouls, 92 team win easily. Who gonna throw bows with malone and barkley. You best believe they would put LBJ or anybody else on their azz coming to the hole. The 92 team would basically win off of basketball I.Q. far as realizing where the match up advantage is. 2012 team might be more athletic but I have seen alot of less athletic teams beating more athletic teams.
 
Maybe. If the 12 team was at full strength and used speed, they could win.
If its that easy then why didnt they just turn yesterdays game into a track meet and run Spain out the gym?:lol: Ironically, the "fastest" player on that team was rendered useless most of the game and was absolutely worthless in the clutch when the game was on the line.:smh:
 
You guys are kidding right ,mark gascol don't get 4 early fouls and 2012 loses to spain ,you think the gascol bros are as good as malone ,ewing and robinson,you guys must not have seen the 1992 dream team,malone and barkley were monsters and mj used to dunk on shaq when shaq was in his prime ,you guys are kidding right,james is simply a smaller and less powerful malone who was 6'9 245lbs and who knocked out david robinson with a single punch in one game,2012 just dont size up with the dream team
 
For an old dude like myself i want to say 92. But the new cats are a different breed. It would be a battle between experience vs athleticism. Jordan and wilt are one and two as basketball gods to me. They could exceed today. But to me that is about it. These newer cats are just to big and to fast to fuck with. I am not saying they are better players. But time, science, and the difference in the games makes them better atheletes. 92 players never had to deal with the zone defense. Man to man is easy to exploit mismatches in the nba. And 92 played against green ass olympic teams. 2012 played against tougher D in the league and aginst tougher olympic teams. I think a 2012 team could beat the dream team. But not this team. They were missing some keys players cause of injuries.
 
For an old dude like myself i want to say 92. But the new cats are a different breed. It would be a battle between experience vs athleticism. Jordan and wilt are one and two as basketball gods to me. They could exceed today. But to me that is about it. These newer cats are just to big and to fast to fuck with. I am not saying they are better players. But time, science, and the difference in the games makes them better atheletes. 92 players never had to deal with the zone defense. Man to man is easy to exploit mismatches in the nba. And 92 played against green ass olympic teams. 2012 played against tougher D in the league and aginst tougher olympic teams. I think a 2012 team could beat the dream team. But not this team. They were missing some keys players cause of injuries.

Ok. This team struggled against zone defense which was legal in the 92 Olympics but a waste of time because that team had gunners like Bird and Mullin. And unlike now back in 92 the handcheck was legal whereas now that shit will get you whistled everytime. Even with the guys that were missing this team still wouldn't have shooters and their rebounding would improve marginally.
 
Ok. This team struggled against zone defense which was legal in the 92 Olympics but a waste of time because that team had gunners like Bird and Mullin. And unlike now back in 92 the handcheck was legal whereas now that shit will get you whistled everytime. Even with the guys that were missing this team still wouldn't have shooters and their rebounding would improve marginally.

I disagree. Add wade, rose, bynum, and howard to the team. Then you see lots more trouble for 92.
 
I disagree. Add wade, rose, bynum, and howard to the team. Then you see lots more trouble for 92.

The 2012 team would improve if you added those guys but the weaknesses that are present with the current team don't get that much better. They would still get beat out on the boards, their half court offense wouldn't suddenly become great and they would still lack shooters. And defensively they still would have issues with the bigs from the Dream Team.
 
Man I been saying this shit for YEEEAARRSS!!!! Somebody finally was brave enough to stick their neck out and write about it on a professional level. Anybody on this Earth for 10 years or longer can notice the evolution of how things get better. It's no disrespect to the past, it's just life. The best example I have of this is Wilt Chamberlain in the 60's and 70's and Shaq of the 90's and 2000's. No one had ever seen an athlete like Wilt with that combination of size, strength and athleticism. Then 20 years later you have an athlete that pretty much dwarfs Wilt in size strength and athleticism. Not only physically do things get better with time, but skill set wise as well. There has NEVER been a point guard like Chris Paul in basketball EVER. There have been some great ones, but the way CP3 plays that game at his size, the way he sees the floor, controls the entire game, it has never been done. There are countless examples of why todays athletes in all sports are far better than the athletes of yesteryear. I can name a bunch more.
 
Man I been saying this shit for YEEEAARRSS!!!! Somebody finally was brave enough to stick their neck out and write about it on a professional level. Anybody on this Earth for 10 years or longer can notice the evolution of how things get better. It's no disrespect to the past, it's just life. The best example I have of this is Wilt Chamberlain in the 60's and 70's and Shaq of the 90's and 2000's. No one had ever seen an athlete like Wilt with that combination of size, strength and athleticism. Then 20 years later you have an athlete that pretty much dwarfs Wilt in size strength and athleticism. Not only physically do things get better with time, but skill set wise as well. There has NEVER been a point guard like Chris Paul in basketball EVER. There have been some great ones, but the way CP3 plays that game at his size, the way he sees the floor, controls the entire game, it has never been done. There are countless examples of why todays athletes in all sports are far better than the athletes of yesteryear. I can name a bunch more.

So are you saying that CP3 is the best PG of all time?
 
So are you saying that CP3 is the best PG of all time?

Because of Magic's size I would have to go with Magic. But excluding Magic, if I had to start a franchise with any point of my choice past or present, yeah I'm going with CP3. Easy choice for me.
 
To say the 2012 team is more athletic. I can tell you never saw Jordan in 1986-88 or Magic in 1982-86. Or even Bird
Them dudes would run you off the COURT. Magic didn't play the point for spurts like LBJ. He played the point for entire seasons
And the players then didn't miss 20 something games a season like these guys


The only place the 2012 team has the edge is at the point and that's because the 1992 excommunicated Isiah Thomas off the team
And Isiah in the 1980's would run yo ass off the court too. And went into the paint just as hard as any PG 6'1" cat in history
 
This is my same argument.
Perfect example: LeBron James is Magic Johnson in today's game (but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more athletic). Kobe bryant is Jordan in todays game. Kevin Love is Bird in today's game. Durant...... well, he's a first with this height and shooting accuracy and ball handling.


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Dudes always sleeping on Bird... I'm convinced some of you never saw him play... Kevin Love has NEVER been this cold...


 
In fact, I believe Kobe Bryant's team would not only win, but also win comfortably.

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Dudes always sleeping on Bird... I'm convinced some of you never saw him play... Kevin Love has NEVER been this cold...



I fucking HATED Bird, but you cannot deny, he was balling out his mind and WINNING TITLES by his 2nd or 3rd season
 
This is my same argument.
Perfect example: LeBron James is Magic Johnson in today's game (but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more athletic). Kobe bryant is Jordan in todays game. Kevin Love is Bird in today's game. Durant...... well, he's a first with this height and shooting accuracy and ball handling.

did u really just compare Kevin Love to Larry fucking Bird? Really? KEVIN LOVE to HALL OF FAME Larry Bird? REALLY? No.... REALLY???
 
didn't this "dream team" barely beat out a Spain team with no real superstars and who played poorly for most of the tourny? And this "dream team" would beat the 92 team of all time greats? Ya, right...
 
Did you guys see what Spain was doing to the 2012 team? They were fighting to the end off of Gasol alone. The Dream Team had better bigs and just smarter players.


If the Dream Team makes majority of their shots and doesn't turn over the ball... then the athleticism and speed would be pointless for the '12 team since the open court is their advantage.
 
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Dudes always sleeping on Bird... I'm convinced some of you never saw him play... Kevin Love has NEVER been this cold...

That's why I try to stay out of these threads...

When someone compares Love to Bird...all you can do is shake your heard and not even answer them.
Their lack of knowledge deserves no reply:smh::smh:
 
The 2012 team would improve if you added those guys but the weaknesses that are present with the current team don't get that much better. They would still get beat out on the boards, their half court offense wouldn't suddenly become great and they would still lack shooters. And defensively they still would have issues with the bigs from the Dream Team.

Both teams would have issues with each other. It really wouldn't be an easy series for either team. But I think the difference would be the pysical nature of todays atheletes compared to the ones of old. This argument can be said with most sports. And in most sports it is clear the newer athletes have a physical advantage. How that would translate if they competed in team sports is hard. In individual sports it is clear. But it is all in jest anyways. Nobody is right or wrong in this convo. It is just an opinion.
 
The 2012 team would improve if you added those guys but the weaknesses that are present with the current team don't get that much better. They would still get beat out on the boards, their half court offense wouldn't suddenly become great and they would still lack shooters. And defensively they still would have issues with the bigs from the Dream Team.

Both teams would have issues with each other. It really wouldn't be an easy series for either team. But I think the difference would be the pysical nature of todays atheletes compared to the ones of old. This argument can be said with most sports. And in most sports it is clear the newer athletes have a physical advantage. How that would translate if they competed in team sports is hard. In individual sports it is clear. But it is all in jest anyways. Nobody is right or wrong in this convo. It is just an opinion.
 
Yesterday the US team had issues with Pau Gasol and late in the game had to resort to putting Kevin Love on him so what the hell would they do to stop the big men of the 92 team who by and large were not only great low post players but also had mid range jumpers? And as it's been said earlier they would not be able to force The Dream Team into a bunch of turnovers that translates into easy buckets. And their weakness is their half court offense which they would have to play in and be able to execute consistently in.

Tell these fools, Dream team of 92 would have half of this years team sitting on bench in first quarter with two or more fouls with their moves, fakes and going hard to baja. And on flipside taking CHARGES which damn near no one really does anymore in NBA.
 
You niggas are forgetting a few points.... Jordan and company played in the league while some of the current dream team were also in the league. It's not like these niggas never competed against some of these niggas. Also Jordan would've allow his team to lose. That was the most competitive nigga on the planet. Theres no way the 92 team was losing jack shit with Jordan playing.
 
Maybe. If the 12 team was at full strength and used speed, they could win. But the 92 team would recognize the speed advantage, slow the fuck out of the game, and man handle them in the paint.

If 92 is in beast mode, they win an ugly ass game 88-82.

I think 2012 team would win a series but in one game this ^^^ would be the most likely result, down to the score.
 
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Dudes always sleeping on Bird... I'm convinced some of you never saw him play... Kevin Love has NEVER been this cold...

Love's no Bird overall but if I had to choose between Love today and Bird in 92 (the year he retired), I'd pick Love and so would most people unless they had the biggest mancrush ever on Larry Legend.
 
Love's no Bird overall but if I had to choose between Love today and Bird in 92 (the year he retired), I'd pick Love and so would most people unless they had the biggest mancrush ever on Larry Legend.

Fam, in 1992, Bird averaged 20.2 pts, 9.6 reb and 6.8 assists per game shooting .926 from the FT line .406 from three and .466 from the field.

I hated Bird for what he did to my Rockets (twice :hmm:) but damn, you selling him short.

I'd take him in 92 over this Kevin Love just off clutch play and Basketball IQ alone.
 
With the exception of Lebron,Kobe and Durant,none these other guys is making the 92 team.
 
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