Kobe Jordan Comparisons?!?!?!? May need to be re-evaluated a little bit!

[TJervey]

Was just watching NBATV and 'discovered' that Kobe is now second on the all time playoff 30pt games list, just having passed Kareem. I'm sitting there thinking, 'This seals it, he is right up there with MJ'. Then, they started analyzing this list, and MJ is first and has 109 30pt games?!?!?!?! Kobe has 76, which is a good number, but he has 33 less 30pt playoff games than Jordan and has played 13 more games?!??! While he may be the best player of this Era, this shit really humbled me concerning the greatness of Air. I know Dudes will say Jordan had a different role, was a gunner, etc. but DAMN!!! 33 more in 13 less games?!?!?!?! I forgot how much of a real beast Air really was until I heard that shit!!!

 

[curryshotta]

Thing is I dont base Mike's superiority based on just those stats although the stats do tell an amazing story.

Those of us who were basketball fans during the MJ era saw whathe did in the playoffs and who he did it against.

He did his thing against far tougher defenses, superior competition imo than anything Kobe has ever had to face.

Those eastern conference matchups were BRUTAL. Tough physical basketball, smarter players, smart coaching.

The rules were much different too.

I think Mike would eat mofos under these present rules.

 

[TJervey]

Thing is I dont base Mike's superiority based on just those stats although the stats do tell an amazing story.

Those of us who were basketball fans during the MJ era saw whathe did in the playoffs and who he did it against.

He did his thing against far tougher defenses, superior competition imo than anything Kobe has ever had to face.

Those eastern conference matchups were BRUTAL. Tough physical basketball, smarter players, smart coaching.

The rules were much different too.

I think Mike would eat mofos under these present rules.

No doubt and on top of this, when you think about ALL the Hall of Famers Air's Bulls teams kept from winning Chips... Malone and Stockton, Barkley, Reggie Miller, Patrick, etc. it is amazing the level of competition Air had to go through to win those 6 Chips and all of the other awards!!! I am EXTREMELY impressed with Kobe, but overall, the level of competition in the league has suffered over time! I dig Dwight Howard, but he is NOT a skill player, BUT, in today's NBA he is considered the BEST Center in the League?!??!?! Imagine if Dude had to play regularly against the likes of a Prime Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick, Hakeem?!?!?! He would get eaten up... And these are the types of players Air had to go against on a Reg. Plus, when you consider parameter players like, Reggie, Isiah Thomas, Clyde Drexler, Starks, a Healthy Penny, etc. (I know I've missed a few), Air had to bring it for real EVERY night and for the most part he did, AND, he did it without EVER having a Dominant Center or Power Forward. Air basically won all those Chips with parameter players and no REAL post game to offset it!!!

 

[TimRock]

come on

 

[Tyrone9912]

yea, MJ put a lot of careers on hold and did it to death. You had one question in his time and that how we gonna beat Jordan. Most thinktanks came up withthis answer, "just like we did Kerrigan" although no one went that far. It was probably the #1 answer to that Million Dollar Question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mjwyLp6OiM

BTW the fade away jumpshot that jordan used was a Godly Perfect game changer.

 

[TJervey]

bump

 

[robfmnola]

Competition level seals it. Example: Look at the Dream Team during each era and you tell me...

 

[TJervey]

Competition level seals it. Example: Look at the Dream Team during each era and you tell me...

 

[TJervey]

yea, MJ put a lot of careers on hold and did it to death. You had one question in his time and that how we gonna beat Jordan. Most thinktanks came up withthis answer, "just like we did Kerrigan" although no one went that far. It was probably the #1 answer to that Million Dollar Question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mjwyLp6OiM

BTW the fade away jumpshot that jordan used was a Godly Perfect game changer.

Werd!!! It was like that jawn was in slow motion...water! I dug that lil runner across the lane he developed for a minute too...shits were impossible to defend!

 

[merce77]

Kobe's place is cemented in history - he's the SECOND greatest ever to play. Can you imagine him trying to play a game of "hacket-ball" against Isiah's Pistons or Riley's Knicks. Dude would've been complaining to the ref every 20 seconds. Different NBA nowadays - it's turned into pussyball. You can't breathe down a nicca's neck without getting called for a foul. Back then niccas'd straight hong kong fuey chop your ass and the ref would tell u to get over it and play ball. Good point about Howard too. Howard trying to post up against Ewing and Oakley? Oh I can already see the injuries.

 

[cranrab]

Jordan Comparisons

the problem is that viewers today lack insight and are far too impressionable (regardless of age).

for example, you will hear (ad nauseum) about how tobe has played in X amount of playoff games, tying (or passing) Y player.

but who really cares? it's not indicative of talent; the number of playoff games has been INCREASED by extending what used to be a first round mini-series into a best of 7 series. that necessarily means more games (against weak opponents) and more fake stat padding.

another example? tobe has passed player X in fakers franchise scoring.

big deal. how many of the fakers whose jerseys are hanging in staples center played at least as many seasons as a faker as tobe? so OF COURSE tobe would eventually reach those franchise milestones as a mere matter of longevity. it has nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with the lure of free agency. when you can gun and chuck with abandon while leading your franchise into the division cellar without repercussion, what's the harm in tanking a season (or 3) and padding the career stats?

other players moved on, tobe had an owner willing to pay the cost.

 

[TJervey]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

the problem is that viewers today lack insight and are far too impressionable (regardless of age).

for example, you will hear (ad nauseum) about how tobe has played in X amount of playoff games, tying (or passing) Y player.

but who really cares? it's not indicative of talent; the number of playoff games has been INCREASED by extending what used to be a first round mini-series into a best of 7 series. that necessarily means more games (against weak opponents) and more fake stat padding.

another example? tobe has passed player X in fakers franchise scoring.

big deal. how many of the fakers whose jerseys are hanging in staples center played at least as many seasons as a faker as tobe? so OF COURSE tobe would eventually reach those franchise milestones as a mere matter of longevity. it has nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with the lure of free agency. when you can gun and chuck with abandon while leading your franchise into the division cellar without repercussion, what's the harm in tanking a season (or 3) and padding the career stats?

other players moved on, tobe had an owner willing to pay the cost.

Dude....Kobe must of stolen your girl or fucked a family member or something?!??!?!?!?! Your hatred for him is bordering obsession Dude.... He might need to put you on a watch list!!!! It really isn't THAT serious

 

[TJervey]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

the problem is that viewers today lack insight and are far too impressionable (regardless of age).

for example, you will hear (ad nauseum) about how tobe has played in X amount of playoff games, tying (or passing) Y player.

but who really cares? it's not indicative of talent; the number of playoff games has been INCREASED by extending what used to be a first round mini-series into a best of 7 series. that necessarily means more games (against weak opponents) and more fake stat padding.

another example? tobe has passed player X in fakers franchise scoring.

big deal. how many of the fakers whose jerseys are hanging in staples center played at least as many seasons as a faker as tobe? so OF COURSE tobe would eventually reach those franchise milestones as a mere matter of longevity. it has nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with the lure of free agency. when you can gun and chuck with abandon while leading your franchise into the division cellar without repercussion, what's the harm in tanking a season (or 3) and padding the career stats?

other players moved on, tobe had an owner willing to pay the cost.

A team still has to win series to continue to play in the games! If that was the case, ALL of the playoff records would be broken by current players! So now, Kobe has tanked seasons for the sole purpose of padding his stats.... All I can say is... WOW!!!!

 

[TJervey]

Kobe's place is cemented in history - he's the SECOND greatest ever to play. Can you imagine him trying to play a game of "hacket-ball" against Isiah's Pistons or Riley's Knicks. Dude would've been complaining to the ref every 20 seconds. Different NBA nowadays - it's turned into pussyball. You can't breathe down a nicca's neck without getting called for a foul. Back then niccas'd straight hong kong fuey chop your ass and the ref would tell u to get over it and play ball. Good point about Howard too. Howard trying to post up against Ewing and Oakley? Oh I can already see the injuries.

Werd, the only Center/Power Forward type in the L right now I can see having regular success back in the day would be a Prime Tim Duncan, maybe a healthy Yao, (shit, that's all I can think of because Shaq played for a minute in that era). Athletic wild assed no skill ass Dudes like Amare, Dwight, etc. would fuck around and get eaten up and foul out a lot, shit like that. The difference was the skill set, Karl Malone, Barkley, etc. were skilled and athletic as hell.... Imagine, a joker like Kendrick Perkins, who is a VITAL part of the current Celtics?!?!?! Wouldn't even sniff the court back in the day. Fuck, all this media attention, emphasis on the Dunks and Crossovers and shit have made fundamental non-existent. That's why when a Dude like Steve Nash is recognized people tripped and complained, because he wasn't jumping over Cats or dribbling like Skip to my Lou and shit. Funny thing is, the Players with seem to last longer STILL, that's why Tim Duncan, Derek Fisher, Andre Miller, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash are still getting burn and being productive deep into their 30's while Cats like AI can't even get signed....Fundamentals!!!

 

[cranrab]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

Dude....Kobe must of stolen your girl or fucked a family member or something?!??!?!?!?! Your hatred for him is bordering obsession Dude.... He might need to put you on a watch list!!!! It really isn't THAT serious

all i did was tell the truth, no other rationale exists. but you caping up for him 24/7? suspect.

A team still has to win series to continue to play in the games! If that was the case, ALL of the playoff records would be broken by current players! So now, Kobe has tanked seasons for the sole purpose of padding his stats.... All I can say is... WOW!!!!

thanks for proving my point about viewers lacking insight (or maybe just simple intelligence)

here is an example that should make things crystal clear even for remedial viewers such as yourself.

in 2005-06, the fakers played the suns to a 7 game first round series, which they LOST. but tobe got to play in SEVEN games.

in 1980-81, the fakers played the rockets to a 3 game first round series, which they LOST.

so kareem abdul jabbar, earvin johnson, jamaal wilkes et al only got to play 3 games MAXIMUM REGARDLESS.

do you get it yet? 3 games win or lose v. 7 games still LOSE (and 4 even if you get swept in defeat).

who gets more opportunties to play games, pad stats, etc?

you cake boys just need to go on ahead and come out the closet all the way.

 

[jdc12]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

the problem is that viewers today lack insight and are far too impressionable (regardless of age).

Hasn't this always been the case though? Everyone likes to say that they saw, competed against, the greatest to ever live. The more time passes also, the more certain players' resume seems to get inflated while others get forgotten. Also, with all of the information that is available nowadays, it's hard for many people to realize which pieces of information is most important. Personal bias also plays a big part in it. Very few people nowadays are able to talk about anything historical while using facts as their primary reason.

 

[TJervey]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

all i did was tell the truth, no other rationale exists. but you caping up for him 24/7? suspect.



thanks for proving my point about viewers lacking insight (or maybe just simple intelligence)

here is an example that should make things crystal clear even for remedial viewers such as yourself.

in 2005-06, the fakers played the suns to a 7 game first round series, which they LOST. but tobe got to play in SEVEN games.

in 1980-81, the fakers played the rockets to a 3 game first round series, which they LOST.

so kareem abdul jabbar, earvin johnson, jamaal wilkes et al only got to play 3 games MAXIMUM REGARDLESS.

do you get it yet? 3 games win or lose v. 7 games still LOSE (and 4 even if you get swept in defeat).

who gets more opportunties to play games, pad stats, etc?

you cake boys just need to go on ahead and come out the closet all the way.

You went through ALL of that, losing perfect paragraphs and sentence structure to get your point across (another sign of an obsessed stalker by the way) to prove a point which no one has tried to dispute. My point is, with ALL of the extra games available to be played, why isn't it that a lot more players are putting up tremendous stats and are moving up the all time playoff games played list. Classic example, KG came into the league the same time Kobe did, but hasn't played in as many games?!?!?! As great as DWade, LeBron, Carmelo, Durant are, there asses lost in earlier rounds, so their teams aren't taking advantage of these extra games, while Kobe is playing in his 3rd consecutive Finals, with the chance to win his 2nd straight?!?!?! Regardless of the additional games, or if you are winning or losing series, you still have to have some talent and ability to take advantage of all the games available to be played in! Plus, you are the motherfucker stalking, this is a thread clearly to discuss the focus of Jordan's greatness, as well as an era by era comparison of the talent pool, but your obsessed ass is still on that bullshit insecure assed bitchassnigga rant about Kobe!?!?! You must really have some serious self esteem issues or something.... You really are pitiful in your obsession with disrespecting this Dude. You must wake up in the morning and search for his name so you can bitch about him some more... You need fucking help Dude!!!! Please get it quickly.... you are sounding just like a bitch on these threads now!!!! Enjoy the rest of the Finals!!!!

 

[cranrab]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

Hasn't this always been the case though?

sadly no.

though your point is well taken (about personal memories/tendencies), never before has there been such a tremendous concentrated effort made to dupe a highly susceptible public.

in past generations, such efforts have been limited to the political arena and advertising campaigns. in today's world the media doesn't have to be hard-wired into the living room, it's mobile and with you everywhere you go.

for example, did kareem abdul jabbar ever have to pay a publicist to distribute free swag to journalists in an effort to buy MVP votes? he didn't have to. his game spoke for itself.

tjervey is a perfect example of the ignorant uneducated sports fan. i brought up the history of the 3 game mini-series v. today's best of 7. i didn't want to shatter his feeble mind by bringing up the first round byes! but like the other mentally challenged sheep, he irrationally equates X amount of playoff games played with being equal to (or better than) the accomplishments of the truly great talent that has played the game.

something tjervey would conclude: "tobe has played ____ games as earvin johnson/kareem abdul jabbar/james worthy so he is obviously on par (or better)."



these sheep are too intellectually immature to discuss topics with any clarity.

 

[cranrab]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

You went through ALL of that, losing perfect paragraphs and sentence structure to get your point across (another sign of an obsessed stalker by the way) to prove a point which no one has tried to dispute. My point is, with ALL of the extra games available to be played, why isn't it that a lot more players are putting up tremendous stats and are moving up the all time playoff games played list. Classic example, KG came into the league the same time Kobe did, but hasn't played in as many games?!?!?! As great as DWade, LeBron, Carmelo, Durant are, there asses lost in earlier rounds, so their teams aren't taking advantage of these extra games, while Kobe is playing in his 3rd consecutive Finals, with the chance to win his 2nd straight?!?!?! Regardless of the additional games, or if you are winning or losing series, you still have to have some talent and ability to take advantage of all the games available to be played in! Plus, you are the motherfucker stalking, this is a thread clearly to discuss the focus of Jordan's greatness, as well as an era by era comparison of the talent pool, but your obsessed ass is still on that bullshit insecure assed bitchassnigga rant about Kobe!?!?! You must really have some serious self esteem issues or something.... You really are pitiful in your obsession with disrespecting this Dude. You must wake up in the morning and search for his name so you can bitch about him some more... You need fucking help Dude!!!! Please get it quickly.... you are sounding just like a bitch on these threads now!!!! Enjoy the rest of the Finals!!!!

take it in. wait for it.

irony train, all aboard.

BTW, my sentences were perfect. your imagination is fantastic.

 

[TJervey]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

sadly no.

though your point is well taken (about personal memories/tendencies), never before has there been such a tremendous concentrated effort made to dupe a highly susceptible public.

in past generations, such efforts have been limited to the political arena and advertising campaigns. in today's world the media doesn't have to be hard-wired into the living room, it's mobile and with you everywhere you go.

for example, did kareem abdul jabbar ever have to pay a publicist to distribute free swag to journalists in an effort to buy MVP votes? he didn't have to. his game spoke for itself.

tjervey is a perfect example of the ignorant uneducated sports fan. i brought up the history of the 3 game mini-series v. today's best of 7. i didn't want to shatter his feeble mind by bringing up the first round byes! but like the other mentally challenged sheep, he irrationally equates X amount of playoff games played with being equal to (or better than) the accomplishments of the truly great talent that has played the game.

something tjervey would conclude: "tobe has played ____ games as earvin johnson/kareem abdul jabbar/james worthy so he is obviously on par (or better)."



these sheep are too intellectually immature to discuss topics with any clarity.

You are the slow assed clown who cannot understand clarity. I not for once mentioned Magic, Kareem or Worthy, all of my comparisons have been between Kobe and his Contemporaries in todays NBA idiot?!?!?! Plus again, I have mentioned the opportunity for more games, which is again why I have not compared Kobe in terms of games played to players from previous Eras who obviously had less games available to play!!! Reading is fundamental clown?!?!?!

 

[TJervey]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

sadly no.

though your point is well taken (about personal memories/tendencies), never before has there been such a tremendous concentrated effort made to dupe a highly susceptible public.

in past generations, such efforts have been limited to the political arena and advertising campaigns. in today's world the media doesn't have to be hard-wired into the living room, it's mobile and with you everywhere you go.

for example, did kareem abdul jabbar ever have to pay a publicist to distribute free swag to journalists in an effort to buy MVP votes? he didn't have to. his game spoke for itself.

tjervey is a perfect example of the ignorant uneducated sports fan. i brought up the history of the 3 game mini-series v. today's best of 7. i didn't want to shatter his feeble mind by bringing up the first round byes! but like the other mentally challenged sheep, he irrationally equates X amount of playoff games played with being equal to (or better than) the accomplishments of the truly great talent that has played the game.

something tjervey would conclude: "tobe has played ____ games as earvin johnson/kareem abdul jabbar/james worthy so he is obviously on par (or better)."



these sheep are too intellectually immature to discuss topics with any clarity.

Another thing, if your Kobe-Hate blinded ass read my original post, I specifically spoke to Air's supremacy over Kobe, BASED on the fact that he did more in less games played?!?!?! Your killing me! My whole dialog throughout this thread has been on a Era vs.Era comparison, which it is clear by my post that I hold Jordan Era in higher regard than the current Era, in terms of achievement and talent base....

 

[Bxlegend]

In defense of Kobe(still acknowledging MJ as the best), MJ may have played against tougher comp, but not at his position. The 2/3 man has been by far the most skilled position/s during Kobe's career opposed to MJ's when you had more great bigmen and point guards. Kobe definitely has had to face more competitive opposition at the same position which can hinder your performance, no matter how great you are. Addressing the 30 pt game playoff record this would also be relevent, along w/ longer series add to more bench time for essential player. I'd like to see what each of their playoff minutes per game averages were.

 

[TJervey]

In defense of Kobe(still acknowledging MJ as the best), MJ may have played against tougher comp, but not at his position. The 2/3 man has been by far the most skilled position/s during Kobe's career opposed to MJ's when you had more great bigmen and point guards. Kobe definitely has had to face more competitive opposition at the same position which can hinder your performance, no matter how great you are. Addressing the 30 pt game playoff record this would also be relevent, along w/ longer series add to more bench time for essential player. I'd like to see what each of their playoff minutes per game averages were.

Jordan Playoff game minutes - 179 games/ 41.8 mins
Kobe Bryant Playoff game minutes avg - 192 games / 39.4 mins

Bryant FG/FT attempts - 3871/1411 Per Game Avg 20/7.3
Jordan FG/FT attempts - 4497/1786 Per Game Avg 25.1/9.97

***Says a lot for these Kobe is a gunner and gets ALL the calls clowns doesn't it!?!?!?

 

[TJervey]

bump

 

[curryshotta]

In defense of Kobe(still acknowledging MJ as the best), MJ may have played against tougher comp, but not at his position. The 2/3 man has been by far the most skilled position/s during Kobe's career opposed to MJ's when you had more great bigmen and point guards. Kobe definitely has had to face more competitive opposition at the same position which can hinder your performance, no matter how great you are. Addressing the 30 pt game playoff record this would also be relevent, along w/ longer series add to more bench time for essential player. I'd like to see what each of their playoff minutes per game averages were.

who has Kobe played at his position that you think are better than those who Mike faced off against?

 

[Bxlegend]

who has Kobe played at his position that you think are better than those who Mike faced off against?

Just compare the SGs and SFs during MJs time to Kobes time. Thers are two many to list. Since it's way easier to remember those players in Kobes time, here's several: Mcgrady, Pierce, J. Rich, Wade, Mello, Vince, Joe Johnson, Ginobli, Stephen Jackson, K.Martin, Mayo, Roy, and so on. And that's only current SGs

I know Kobe faced roughly the same comp as MJ during his finals wins, my only point is the talent pool at his position has been and is flooded in comparison to MJs era.

 

[Bxlegend]

Jordan Playoff game minutes - 179 games/ 41.8 mins
Kobe Bryant Playoff game minutes avg - 192 games / 39.4 mins

Bryant FG/FT attempts - 3871/1411 Per Game Avg 20/7.3
Jordan FG/FT attempts - 4497/1786 Per Game Avg 25.1/9.97



***Says a lot for these Kobe is a gunner and gets ALL the calls clowns doesn't it!?!?!?

Anybody who watched the NBA during the late 80's/90's knows MJ got more whistles(and no calls) than any player in NBA history. Thanks for the stats!

 

[RunawaySlave]

Larry Bird, Clyde Drexler, Ron Harper, Joe Dumars, Rolando Blackman, Alvin Robertson, MAGIC JOHNSON, Dominque Wilkins, Gerald Wilkens, John Starks, Jeff Malone, JULIUS ERVING, George Gervin, Darrell Griffith, Adrian Dantley, punk assed Reggie Miller, Otis Birdsong, Michael Ray Richardson, SIDNEY MONCRIEF, Marques Johnson and at times Charles Barkley...not to mention that in extremely tough cases, Jordan was guarding Isiah Thomas and Kevin Johnson and doing a pretty good job against both....

I ain't arguing either way, I'm just saying....

 

[Blaq]

Larry Bird, Clyde Drexler, Ron Harper, Joe Dumars, Rolando Blackman, Alvin Robertson, MAGIC JOHNSON, Dominque Wilkins, Gerald Wilkens, John Starks, Jeff Malone, JULIUS ERVING, George Gervin, Darrell Griffith, Adrian Dantley, punk assed Reggie Miller, Otis Birdsong, Michael Ray Richardson, SIDNEY MONCRIEF, Marques Johnson and at times Charles Barkley...not to mention that in extremely tough cases, Jordan was guarding Isiah Thomas and Kevin Johnson and doing a pretty good job against both....

I ain't arguing either way, I'm just saying....

Great post. The NBA was real back then.

 

[cranrab]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

Was just watching NBATV and 'discovered' that Kobe is now second on the all time playoff 30pt games list, just having passed Kareem. I'm sitting there thinking, 'This seals it, he is right up there with MJ'.

my original post, I specifically spoke to Air's supremacy over Kobe

the excerpt of YOUR original post is first.

in it, you acknowledge your own ignorance, and later continue in the original post to explain how you became "enlightened" and arrived at a new understanding.

the problem, as i have been pointing out (but you are clearly to obtuse to understand), is that persons like yourself are (and have been) easily deceived.

for example, for YOU, learning that tobe was in 2nd place for 30 point playoff games was a satisfactory accomplishment to "seal" a conclusion that tobe is "right up there with" michael jordan.

not only is that random and arbitrary criteria absurd, the very fact that you consider tobe to be in the same ball park (or basketball universe) with michael jordan is absurd to the extreme.

so you created a thread to proclaim that you've now seen the light. have a cookie.

 

[cranrab]

Jordan Comparisons

Jordan Playoff game minutes - 179 games/ 41.8 mins
Kobe Bryant Playoff game minutes avg - 192 games / 39.4 mins

Bryant FG/FT attempts - 3871/1411 Per Game Avg 20/7.3
Jordan FG/FT attempts - 4497/1786 Per Game Avg 25.1/9.97

***Says a lot for these Kobe is a gunner and gets ALL the calls clowns doesn't it!

it says a lot that you can't be trusted to be honest enough to present relevant comparison data.

for example, your first flaw was how you lumped in tobe's non-starting averages into your calculations. starter v. starter comparison would be better, no?

your second flaw is one of poor reasoning. tobe is a gunner/chucker. compare FG%. no justification for shooting that much with his history of FG%. no justification for shooting that much when playing with better talent on the floor at the same time.

your third flaw is one of facile understanding of basketball. micheal jordan was the best post player in the game. OF COURSE he drew more PFs than tobe, because he played in the post. for MORE THAN 20 consecutive years (1979-80 through 2001-02), POST PLAYERS LEAD THE LEAGUE IN FTAs. also, tobe was one of the role players who happened to be on the same team with shaquille o'neal OF COURSE he would get fewer FTAs. fewer touches = fewer FTAs.

tobe takes full advantage of his celebrity and the pitiful rule changes to manufacture points at the FT line. what happened in 2006-07?

 

[cranrab]

Jordan Comparisons

Mcgrady, Pierce, J. Rich, Wade, Mello, Vince, Joe Johnson, Ginobli, Stephen Jackson, K.Martin, Mayo, Roy, and so on. And that's only current SGs.

ummmm...

are you pulling our legs?

 

[TJervey]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

the excerpt of YOUR original post is first.

in it, you acknowledge your own ignorance, and later continue in the original post to explain how you became "enlightened" and arrived at a new understanding.

the problem, as i have been pointing out (but you are clearly to obtuse to understand), is that persons like yourself are (and have been) easily deceived.

for example, for YOU, learning that tobe was in 2nd place for 30 point playoff games was a satisfactory accomplishment to "seal" a conclusion that tobe is "right up there with" michael jordan.

not only is that random and arbitrary criteria absurd, the very fact that you consider tobe to be in the same ball park (or basketball universe) with michael jordan is absurd to the extreme.

so you created a thread to proclaim that you've now seen the light. have a cookie.

Again, the tenor of my who post was a revelation based on Facts, not childish bitchassed rants like the ones you continue to try to poison with!?!?! The mark of a true man, intellectual, etc. is to be able to admit a miscalculation, with facts to support the misconception (and frankly, I still stand by my contention that Kobe is the greatest player of his Era, bar none, just not in comparison to Jordan). You are true clown, and the worst example of a psychotic stalker/hater that I've ever come across on BGOL. This whole thread AGAIN was to praise MJ, but to not discount Kobe's accomplishments, you on the other hand, unless someone doesn't proclaim to be a D-League level talent you get your panties all up in a bunch!?!?!?! I'm through debating your clown ass with meaningless fodder, it only fuels your psychosis. The only think that can help you is a soft couch, and maybe a man with School boy classes smoking a pipe!?!?!?!

 

[TJervey]

Re: Jordan Comparisons

it says a lot that you can't be trusted to be honest enough to present relevant comparison data.

for example, your first flaw was how you lumped in tobe's non-starting averages into your calculations. starter v. starter comparison would be better, no?

your second flaw is one of poor reasoning. tobe is a gunner/chucker. compare FG%. no justification for shooting that much with his history of FG%. no justification for shooting that much when playing with better talent on the floor at the same time.

your third flaw is one of facile understanding of basketball. micheal jordan was the best post player in the game. OF COURSE he drew more PFs than tobe, because he played in the post. for MORE THAN 20 consecutive years (1979-80 through 2001-02), POST PLAYERS LEAD THE LEAGUE IN FTAs. also, tobe was one of the role players who happened to be on the same team with shaquille o'neal OF COURSE he would get fewer FTAs. fewer touches = fewer FTAs.

tobe takes full advantage of his celebrity and the pitiful rule changes to manufacture points at the FT line. what happened in 2006-07?

Again, you are an idiot!!!! Which superstar players DO NOT take advantage of their Celebrity?!?!?! That's one of the benefits of being a Celebrity/Superstar!!! Starter vs. Starter (Idiot a CAREER COMPARISON IS JUST THAT, CAREER COMPARISON!!!) Please, lets stop talking about Kobe.... It obviously gets your blood pressure up! I'm sorry for upsetting you???? Put down the knife and back away from the cliff!!!!

 

[TJervey]

Larry Bird, Clyde Drexler, Ron Harper, Joe Dumars, Rolando Blackman, Alvin Robertson, MAGIC JOHNSON, Dominque Wilkins, Gerald Wilkens, John Starks, Jeff Malone, JULIUS ERVING, George Gervin, Darrell Griffith, Adrian Dantley, punk assed Reggie Miller, Otis Birdsong, Michael Ray Richardson, SIDNEY MONCRIEF, Marques Johnson and at times Charles Barkley...not to mention that in extremely tough cases, Jordan was guarding Isiah Thomas and Kevin Johnson and doing a pretty good job against both....

I ain't arguing either way, I'm just saying....

Thanks for the wisdom Fam...