KOBE: 'He The Best' - Michael Eric Dyson Makes the Case for Why Black Mamba Is the G.O.A.T.
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I hate Whitlock but he had some good Points
Based on what?
Pistons beat a 20 year Lebron and lost to a 22 year old Bron. Pistons beat a 23 year Wade and lost him at 24. Stop it Mannie.
So what's your point?
How many times Duncan won and loss to the lakers while they both chased 5 championships u dumbass.
ThAt fucking Pistons team went to 6 ECF in a row
Dude, you cant make false statements, then get corrected and yell out "Whats your point!?". They didnt beat prime Wade or Bron.
My point has been stated several times at this point. Im done discussing this Pistons team. Go re-read my shit.. You wanna hear the old Hov buy my old albums.
Why does there always have to be a top 5 or top 10 of everything?
I think most take that shit too seriously I always felt the whole point of saying that was just to drum up conversation and interest in the discussion for entertainment as its doing right now. Michael Eric Dyson just putting some extra stank on it to keep his own name out there next to the Kobe convo.
Kobe is one of the g.o.a.t.(s) of his era. Can't take that title away from him with no amount of arguing or who you compare him to. That's not even opinion.
The great players will always stand out from the rest and Kobe is one of those.
I think most take that shit too seriously I always felt the whole point of saying that was just to drum up conversation and interest in the discussion for entertainment as its doing right now. Michael Eric Dyson just putting some extra stank on it to keep his own name out there next to the Kobe convo.
Kobe is one of the g.o.a.t.(s) of his era. Can't take that title away from him with no amount of arguing or who you compare him to. That's not even opinion.
The great players will always stand out from the rest and Kobe is one of those.
So Wade in 2005 wasn't elite?
When he was scoring almost 40 a game and took the heat to ECF they first year with shaq?
And that was a prime shaq too
Kobe is. Jordan second. Ring count doesn't count in this one. Plus the one team for the entire career. Did it with and without Shaq.
Let's not forget what Curry did this year without a head coach! Half the season on their own. Warriors 73 can't be fucked with, especially if they won the title again. Jordan had all that help plus Phil all them years. Curry has the guy who's name we do t remember until Kerr came back to ...well.... Coach.
Let's not forget what Curry did this year without a head coach! Half the season on their own. Warriors 73 can't be fucked with, especially if they won the title again. Jordan had all that help plus Phil all them years. Curry has the guy who's name we do t remember until Kerr came back to ...well.... Coach.
i wonder what Phil Jackson would say having coached both?
i like this response from the article's og website
Dfrance • Regardless of your opinion on the matter, this piece is worth the read. Just fantastic writing here, sheesh.
I don't agree with Mr Dyson, but I really have a hard time subscribing to the notion of one single player being the GOAT. It's truly impossible to compare players across different generations, positions, rule changes, teammates, coaches, technology... etc. It makes for a fun conversation, but once you get to the cream of the crop, there is no right or wrong answer.
best comment on GOAT discussion i ever heard. still need to talk to the zen master tho.
i like this response from the article's og website
Dfrance • Regardless of your opinion on the matter, this piece is worth the read. Just fantastic writing here, sheesh.
I don't agree with Mr Dyson, but I really have a hard time subscribing to the notion of one single player being the GOAT. It's truly impossible to compare players across different generations, positions, rule changes, teammates, coaches, technology... etc. It makes for a fun conversation, but once you get to the cream of the crop, there is no right or wrong answer.
best comment on GOAT discussion i ever heard. still need to talk to the zen master tho.
I have Kobe rated top ten. I do believe a few things could have gone differently, that would have catapulted higher. GOAT? Eeeeh. Don't know about that. Top 5 would have been doable, even top 3.
In the article it mentioned the athletic perimeter players Kobe was forced to score against that forced him to take tough shots. At times? Sure. In general? Bullshit. I have seen Kobe make an effort to stop firing tough jumpers and get the highest quality shot, and during those stretches of games, he'd be a 50+ percent shooter. I mean, it makes sense. Anyone that skilled, and with his athleticism, trying to get get looks, rather than constantly trying to add to his highlight real of tough plays, he's going to be very efficient. However, it never failed that Kobe would eventually revert back to deep jumpers, often seeming to purposely pick up his dribble prematurely, forcing him to pump fake three, four, five, even six times, only to still have to score of an outstretched defender.
What was also unique about Kobe is, he didn't seem to dial down the degree of difficulty at the end of games. Kobe was just as likely to take a quadruple pump-fake jumper one minute into the first quarter as he was 1 minute left in the 4th. I recall almost from the day Kobe entered the NBA thinking, 'Something is wrong with this dude. Why does he take so much unnecessarily difficult shots, and so damn often?" In all honesty, I had never see anything like that before him and nothing like that sense. It was like he was oblivious to agony he was causing teammates and fans at times. lololololol. I do recall reading that his father had a tendency to make the game harder than it needed to be, and apparently he passed along this mentality to Kobe.
People often criticize Kobe for his FGA's, but I would argue that if he had cared more for efficiency, and used his tremendous skill to get himself the best looks, people wouldn't have cared as much. While it is remarkable that someone could play the game in such a boneheaded fashion and still achieve that level of excellence, it can't be denied that that approach will diminish a players statistical output.
Now, somebody might ask, 'Why is Kobe your favorite player ever if you're so critical of his approach to the game?" I'm a skill-junkie. The more skilled a player is the more likely I am to fuck with their game. Also, hey ... while watching Kobe fire of tough jumper after tough jumper when he's cold can be cringe-worthy, it sure as hell is entertaining as fuck when they're going down.
In the article it mentioned the athletic perimeter players Kobe was forced to score against that forced him to take tough shots. At times? Sure. In general? Bullshit. I have seen Kobe make an effort to stop firing tough jumpers and get the highest quality shot, and during those stretches of games, he'd be a 50+ percent shooter. I mean, it makes sense. Anyone that skilled, and with his athleticism, trying to get get looks, rather than constantly trying to add to his highlight real of tough plays, he's going to be very efficient. However, it never failed that Kobe would eventually revert back to deep jumpers, often seeming to purposely pick up his dribble prematurely, forcing him to pump fake three, four, five, even six times, only to still have to score of an outstretched defender.
What was also unique about Kobe is, he didn't seem to dial down the degree of difficulty at the end of games. Kobe was just as likely to take a quadruple pump-fake jumper one minute into the first quarter as he was 1 minute left in the 4th. I recall almost from the day Kobe entered the NBA thinking, 'Something is wrong with this dude. Why does he take so much unnecessarily difficult shots, and so damn often?" In all honesty, I had never see anything like that before him and nothing like that sense. It was like he was oblivious to agony he was causing teammates and fans at times. lololololol. I do recall reading that his father had a tendency to make the game harder than it needed to be, and apparently he passed along this mentality to Kobe.
People often criticize Kobe for his FGA's, but I would argue that if he had cared more for efficiency, and used his tremendous skill to get himself the best looks, people wouldn't have cared as much. While it is remarkable that someone could play the game in such a boneheaded fashion and still achieve that level of excellence, it can't be denied that that approach will diminish a players statistical output.
Now, somebody might ask, 'Why is Kobe your favorite player ever if you're so critical of his approach to the game?" I'm a skill-junkie. The more skilled a player is the more likely I am to fuck with their game. Also, hey ... while watching Kobe fire of tough jumper after tough jumper when he's cold can be cringe-worthy, it sure as hell is entertaining as fuck when they're going down.
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