@ niggas comparing Wade to Kobe
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@ niggas comparing Wade to Kobe
if i recall didn't D-Wade average 18 free throws a game in the finals, it was something retarded like that. Shit not even Shaq in his prime averaged that much, shit I don't think AI ever averaged that many throws and he drives to the hole as much as Wade
I dig Wades game but putting him in the same sentence as Kobe is stupid.
I dig Wades game but putting him in the same sentence as Kobe is stupid.
if i recall didn't D-Wade average 18 free throws a game in the finals, it was something retarded like that. Shit not even Shaq in his prime averaged that much, shit I don't think AI ever averaged that many throws and he drives to the hole as much as Wade
I dig Wades game but putting him in the same sentence as Kobe is stupid.
Damn right its just a stupid ass argument that I won't involve myself with
Shadyville still young,he don't realize the error of his ways.
With age comes wisdom.
D-wade was handed that ring for going into the lane.That's all.
Shady,if u can name me one thing that d-wade does better than Kobe,I will shut the fuck up and not post.
Fuck D-wades wiki,u saw the games just like the rest of us.
And like I said b4,NOBODY in the league,NOBODY who covers the league,would say that D-wade is better,equal,or even sniffing Kobes jockstrap.
And I live in BK. There aint no reason for me to like dude. ( no Harlem)
And like I said b4,without the refs whistle,there is no title in Miami.
Now here's the kicker for asshole blind Jordan nuthuggers.
If both were on the same team,who would you consider the better player in they prime?
There's a reason why players who played against both say Kobe is gonna go down as better.
With age comes wisdom.
D-wade was handed that ring for going into the lane.That's all.
Shady,if u can name me one thing that d-wade does better than Kobe,I will shut the fuck up and not post.
Fuck D-wades wiki,u saw the games just like the rest of us.
And like I said b4,NOBODY in the league,NOBODY who covers the league,would say that D-wade is better,equal,or even sniffing Kobes jockstrap.
And I live in BK. There aint no reason for me to like dude. ( no Harlem)
And like I said b4,without the refs whistle,there is no title in Miami.
Now here's the kicker for asshole blind Jordan nuthuggers.
If both were on the same team,who would you consider the better player in they prime?
There's a reason why players who played against both say Kobe is gonna go down as better.
Yo, don't even entertain this arguement, Wade vs Kobe. Dude slipped up. It's only a smoke screen like any other players thrown out against Kobe. These cats want to keep Michael as the GOAT. It's just a smoke screen to compare Kobe with any player today.
He owns you cuzz.
Sorry.
really, LS? another whole thread dedicated to me?
i see the IDEA of getting out of the 1st round for the 1st time in 4 years really has you geeked up.
As soon as he finishes breaking own the game secon by second to fin what Kobe did wrong he'll be in here
because lord knows you couldn't do it for yourself.
The fucked up thing is that,these lil niccaz have been completely fucked up by the NBA's mass market blitzing of jordan in the 90's.
He was great,no doubt.
But you gotta use common sense sometimes.
His skill set was great.
Kobes is better.
And dwayne wade?
He is a GOOD player.
Like I said,the olympics exposes everybodies game.
This nicca Kobe.....like....how many games have yall watch where he on some Circus shit,like u say to ya self,no fucking way....but yes..he did just do that....sans the help of a refs whistle...
The refs whistle=a beat in the Freeway vs. Cassidy battle
one 49 point game against an 8 seed that backed INTO the playoffs and fools are lining up. were you hiding your pom poms on the bandwagon after game 1?
tobe isn't even the best player on the fakers, much less the NBA?
2 euro fakers had better +/- per minute than tobe.
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anyone who knows basketball (specifically fakers) history knows why that graphic is appropo to this discussion.
elgin baylor > tobe, but their scoring hijinks have a similar impact and outcome.
Classic quotable. Some cats have been brainwashed by the NBA's propaganda of Jordaness.
Jordan was the Goat before Kobe IMO. But it's a new era. Like you've said and I've been saying, his skill set is better. Not his resume.
I just haven't seen a better player.
One.
tobe is not close as a defender.
tobe is not in the same universe as a post player.
better shooter? take a look at career FG% and shooting efficiency.
you're done.
one 49 point game against an 8 seed that backed INTO the playoffs and fools are lining up. were you hiding your pom poms on the bandwagon after game 1?
tobe isn't even the best player on the fakers, much less the NBA?
2 euro fakers had better +/- per minute than tobe.
Because Kobe plays the whole game. And he's setting your Euro counterparts up for their productivity.
Productivity, points per minute, is fantasy league.
We're talking about reality.
What. The. Fuck.???
This NBA nowadays is fucking people head up.
Nonsense whistles,fucked up rules.
If d-wade played in 94,he wood average about 15 points a game.
Like I said, I'd rather have Paul Pierce.
This same argument can be had (to a lesser degree) about Lebron.
Am I the only one who sees this dude travel 16 times a game?
FUCK DAVID STERN!!!
Nonsense whistles,fucked up rules.
If d-wade played in 94,he wood average about 15 points a game.
Like I said, I'd rather have Paul Pierce.
This same argument can be had (to a lesser degree) about Lebron.
Am I the only one who sees this dude travel 16 times a game?
FUCK DAVID STERN!!!
I was just about to write the same fucking thing. I disagree with you, I feel Kobe is a great player, but Kobe having a better skill set than Jordan
. Soon you'll hear people proclaiming Kidd or Nash are better than Magic.SG is still on some EPIC FAIL type shit.
tobe's handle is weak, his D is lazy and inconsistent, his court vision is average, and he still has incredibly poor shot selection, and poor decision making based on bad habits he has clung to since day 1.
michael jordan had superior D, unmatched game in the O post, and had no bad habits except for his fondness for taking a large first step which was rarely called for travel.
SupremoDivino
Asked HNIC to ban me - See Ya
Jordan had better hops, even though Kobe CAN get up.
Jordan just had better shot-selection, but I believe Kobe is a better shooter.
I think Jordan was a better defensive player than Kobe. If not better, then he was more consistent. Like anybody else, Kobe does dog it on defense at times, but when he wants to -- he can be a lock downed defender. I've seen this dude straight dominate on the defensive end, on some elite players.
Even though Jordan was highly skilled, I give Kobe a SLIGHT edge. I don't know, I think many people forget how skilled Jordan was, because his career is done, and we're not being reminded of his greatness every other day on SportsCenter. However, Kobe has definitely shown some highly impressive skill of his own. I don't know. I may never be sure about who I think is more skilled.
I don't get caught up in individual stats and wins when comparing players. They never tell the WHOLE story. I judge them by the skill that they display on the court, and consider the team they played for afterward. People point out that Jordan won six rings, but never consider that it took his coaching staff, FRONT OFFICE, and role-players to help him win those rings. Jordan was apart of a GREAT ORGANIZATION. Nobody, no matter how talented, wins rings on their own. Kobe has won three in a row, which proves that if you give him the right players, he use his great ability to help bring the title home...
...and let's be honest cranrab, when the guys that play against Kobe give him the same props as the fans, he can't be as bad as you think he is.
Jordan just had better shot-selection, but I believe Kobe is a better shooter.
I think Jordan was a better defensive player than Kobe. If not better, then he was more consistent. Like anybody else, Kobe does dog it on defense at times, but when he wants to -- he can be a lock downed defender. I've seen this dude straight dominate on the defensive end, on some elite players.
Even though Jordan was highly skilled, I give Kobe a SLIGHT edge. I don't know, I think many people forget how skilled Jordan was, because his career is done, and we're not being reminded of his greatness every other day on SportsCenter. However, Kobe has definitely shown some highly impressive skill of his own. I don't know. I may never be sure about who I think is more skilled.
I don't get caught up in individual stats and wins when comparing players. They never tell the WHOLE story. I judge them by the skill that they display on the court, and consider the team they played for afterward. People point out that Jordan won six rings, but never consider that it took his coaching staff, FRONT OFFICE, and role-players to help him win those rings. Jordan was apart of a GREAT ORGANIZATION. Nobody, no matter how talented, wins rings on their own. Kobe has won three in a row, which proves that if you give him the right players, he use his great ability to help bring the title home...
...and let's be honest cranrab, when the guys that play against Kobe give him the same props as the fans, he can't be as bad as you think he is.
Because Kobe plays the whole game. And he's setting your Euro counterparts up for their productivity.
Productivity, points per minute, is fantasy league.
We're talking about reality.
thanks for confirming what i already knew, ak_rep: you have NO clue.
not talking fantasy stats, or points per minute.
REAL NBA basketball coaches do use +/- because it has integral value to measuring team chemistry and success. ask one.
your comment about "setting up" other players shows you have NO comprehension of what +/- is. if you DID have the SLIGHTEST CLUE, you'd know it doesn't matter who did the scoring or who did the "setting up": it measures the outcome.
know nothings owning themselves in here. gotta thank LS for starting this thread.
Jordan was a better shooter than kobe?
If u say that,then I kno you have no fucking idea what your talking about.
That mid range fade was deadly,I can't front.
But Kobes offensive repetoire is way more diverse.
I'm dun arguing with fucking idiots.
Jordan took it to the hole more,but Kobe is the better shooter.
If you think Jordan is a better shooter than kobe,well....u must not watch games....and also,your a faggit.
do you ever talk with players, coaches, or executive staff when there isn't a microphone in front of their faces?
try it sometime. you could be surprised.
BTW, thanks for removing those ridiculous "8"s from your username before you entered my thread.
Tell me you aren't serious, i can't even take you seriously anymore after that statementfine, tobe has a repetoire.
michael jordan had an arsenal.
michael jordan is hakeem olajuwon and tobe is gheorge muresan.
tobe needed 1,690 FGAs to score 1,700 points from the field this season.
yeah, awesome.
thanks for confirming what i already knew, ak_rep: you have NO clue.
not talking fantasy stats, or points per minute.
REAL NBA basketball coaches do use +/- because it has integral value to measuring team chemistry and success. ask one.
your comment about "setting up" other players shows you have NO comprehension of what +/- is. if you DID have the SLIGHTEST CLUE, you'd know it doesn't matter who did the scoring or who did the "setting up": it measures the outcome.
know nothings owning themselves in here. gotta thank LS for starting this thread.
+/- doesn't equate to productivity?
Are you saying that.
What ratio are you talking about?
You know I called you on your bullshit. You're just throwing smoke screens to the real issue: Kobe's performance.
You owned yourself with those ridiculous claims.
If the coaches, players, ex-staff and such who are "actually there" knew the same things you claim to know then why do they change up there game plans to try and contain him and all, if they knew like you i'd think they'd just let him do him so he'd fuck up the team like you say and they could win easily
SupremoDivino
Asked HNIC to ban me - See Ya
Actually, I change my mind.
I think Jordan is > Kobe. Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game, but I think the biggest deficiency in his game...
...is his inability to do be a set-up man, and scorer at the same time. Seriously, I've been a big Kobe fan since that dude was in high school; However, he is TOO single-minded, to be frank. Kobe can do ANYTHING you want on the floor, but the other parts of his game will suffer because of it. Last night, he got ten assists, and he is capable of doing that EVERY night ... but, his scoring will suffer. He locks in on a facet of a game, and is unable to perform at a high level, in other areas, until he shifts his focus...
That's why he can score 81 points, and have those big scoring streaks. He focuses in on scoring, and he get's it done. However, during these streaks, his assists are almost non-existant. Their are good sides to that ability to focus to that extent, but I do believe that Jordan, and even Lebron can score big, and set-up their teammates without either of the two suffering facets of the game falling off...
I think Jordan is > Kobe. Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play the game, but I think the biggest deficiency in his game...
...is his inability to do be a set-up man, and scorer at the same time. Seriously, I've been a big Kobe fan since that dude was in high school; However, he is TOO single-minded, to be frank. Kobe can do ANYTHING you want on the floor, but the other parts of his game will suffer because of it. Last night, he got ten assists, and he is capable of doing that EVERY night ... but, his scoring will suffer. He locks in on a facet of a game, and is unable to perform at a high level, in other areas, until he shifts his focus...
That's why he can score 81 points, and have those big scoring streaks. He focuses in on scoring, and he get's it done. However, during these streaks, his assists are almost non-existant.
Their are good sides to that ability to focus to that extent, but I do believe that Jordan, and even Lebron can score big, and set-up their teammates without either of the two suffering facets of the game falling off...
why not? all true.
i'll even give you the advantage. point me to ANY game where tobe HASN'T exhibited those detrimental qualities.
and while your at it, explain to your boy ak_rep how tobe doesn't even have the highest +/- on the fakers.
Jordan has never seen a double team? You're joking right? Please tell me you are. Do you remember The Jordan Rules? Jordan STAYED getting double teamed...sometimes triple teamed. I can't believe you said that.
Kobe is nice...no doubt but to think he's at Jordan's level is just stupid. Does anyone remember that flame out the Lakers had against the Pistons in 05? They lost in 5! With Shaq and Kobe? That's insane! You put Jordan on that team instead of Kobe...and the Pistons would have been swept! Oh, and don't forget his two most recent game 7's against Phoenix. He dissapeared!
they do.
watch coach dunleavy, coach iavaroni and coach mcmillan for specific examples.
as for why more don't use it (coach johnson, for example), it's because they are reactionary, and their defensive assistant coaches are old school (coach harris). they like to use unnecessary doubles, and also show 2 or 3 different looks. they don't have the patience to let the plan unfold and wait for the success.
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