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How The DCEU Is Already Replacing Henry Cavill's Superman
As Henry Cavill's Superman future in the DCEU remains unclear, the Warner Bros. franchise is already replacing elements of the Kryptonian's character.

BY CRAIG ELVY2 DAYS AGO

Henry Cavill's status in the DCEU is one of Hollywood's big mysteries, but the franchise is already replacing Superman with other characters. The trajectory of the DCEU has been a fascinating roller coaster of highs and lows, but the entire venture traces back to the debut of Henry Cavill as a humble reporter known as Clark Kent. Released in 2013, Man of Steel was a new dawn for Superman, with Zack Snyder combining the realism of Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight trilogy with his own trademark stylized action sheen. As the MCU enjoyed sustained dominance in theaters, Man of Steel became the first entry in a DC cinematic universe, and Cavill would return as the last son of Krypton in Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice and Justice League.

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Unfortunately, poor reviews and lower-than-expected box office stunted the growth of the DCEU, while creative disagreements between Snyder and Warner Bros. led to the famous Snyder Cut war of 2017-2020. The landscape of the DCEU is now far removed from the typical shared universe model, with loosely connected movies, an incoming multiverse, and no overarching narrative playing out from one movie to the next. And yet, despite boasting a packed slate for the next 2 years, there's no concrete indication Cavill will be reprising his role.

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A DC universe without Superman, however loosely connected that world might be, is difficult to fathom, especially since it was Cavill's character who kick-started the franchise. And with only one DCEU solo film under his thin, gold belt, Supes' potential has hardly been exhausted. But as the absence of Superman on the big screen continues, the DCEU has been steadily replacing elements of the Superman character with other heroes.

Henry Cavill's Future As The DCEU Superman Explained


Through all the DCEU upheaval, the performance of Henry Cavill as both Superman and his civilian alter ego has attracted widespread praise. Despite enduring Man of Steel's controversial Zod ending, Batman V Superman's Martha moment and Justice League's CGI mustache, Cavill has emerged largely unscathed, and fans are strongly behind seeing more of the British actor's Superman in the DCEU, ideally starring in Man of Steel 2. Alas, Henry Cavill's Superman future has been told through a string of unconfirmed reports and subsequent denials since the release of Justice League.


Back in 2016, a sequel to Man of Steel looked to form a key part of Warner Bros,' DCEU future, with various names attached as potential directors. One of those linked was Christopher McQuarrie, who worked with Cavill on Mission: Impossible - Fallout. McQuarrie has since revealed that he and Cavill pitched a Superman idea to Warner Bros. but weren't given the go-ahead. Since then, Man of Steel 2 has lost all momentum, seemingly a casualty of the post-Batman V Superman reshuffle. Latest rumors claim that Warner Bros. have no interest in pursuing another Superman solo movie in the near future.

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Nevertheless, Cavill has remained attached to the DCEU... but just barely. In 2018, the actor was reported to have walked away from the Superman role, but Cavill himself eventually denied this, much to the relief of fans. In 2020, Cavill also denied shooting additional Snyder cut material, but wouldn't be drawn on whether or not he had signed a deal with Warner Bros. to feature in additional non-solo DCEU movies. As things stand, Cavill is still the DCEU's Superman and appears to be lined up for future appearances, albeit not in Man of Steel 2. However, Warner Bros. certainly aren't rushing to get Clark Kent back on the big screen, and this might be because other superheroes have picked up the slack in his absence.

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Wonder Woman Already Offers The DCEU A Hopeful Superhero


A hallmark of any Superman incarnation is the unwavering sense of hope he provides the citizens of Earth. One the biggest criticisms Man of Steel faced was Zack Snyder's darker approach to the character that saw Superman brutally kill General Zod in the climactic battle, since this openly contradicted the traditional optimism of DC's most famous hero. Man of Steel 2 would almost certainly portray Clark in a more familiar, hopeful light - a beacon of humanity among the injustice and jeopardy of the DCEU's fictional Earth. However, that vacancy has been ably filled by Wonder Woman. Since debuting in Batman V Superman, Diana Prince has proved herself the standout character of the DCEU, and while the Amazonian has always been a bastion of goodness and faith, those qualities are amplified in Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman.


More than Henry Cavill's Superman, Diana's DCEU journey has revolved entirely around the concept of hope in dark times. An optimistic and precarious youngster, Diana was shaken after witnessing the horrors of World War I and the death of Steve Trevor, but by championing hope and cooperation over the decades, Diana has defiantly refused to lose her faith in mankind. Usually, one would expect Superman to be touting these virtues, but Wonder Woman is a more-than capable stand-in. Judging from the footage released so far, Wonder Woman 1984 and the Justice League Snyder cut will continue to make Diana Prince the foremost source of hope in the DC movie universe, leading by example and refusing to be corrupted by darkness.


Supergirl Could Be Superman's Direct DCEU Replacement


In the DC comics, Clark Kent is surrounded by an entire roster of super-friends and family members, and the most famous of these companions could become a like-for-like replacement for Henry Cavill's Superman in the DCEU. Leaving the awful 1984 Supergirl movie out of the equation, Superman's cousin has proven a popular character in her own right, with Melissa Benoist's Kara commanding a central role in the Arrowverse for six full seasons. Supergirl has yet to officially debut in the DCEU, but her long-awaited arrival on the big screen has been a hot topic of discussion nonetheless. A Supergirl movie was announced in 2018, with Oren Uziel of 22 Jump Street writing the script. The Man of Steel prequel comic penned by Zack Snyder even introduced DCEU Kara as early as 2013, with the director confirming a Man of Steel Supergirl setup clue was hidden "in plain sight." Sadly, further Supergirl announcements have not been forthcoming and, several months ago, reports suggested the project had been added to the long list of "on hold" DCEU movie ideas.

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But the fate of Supergirl on TV could dictate Kara's return to the movies. The CW's Supergirl series will end with season 6, cancelled in favor of a Lois & Clark spin-off. With the Man of Steel moving to the small screen, the Girl of Steel's cinematic future begins to look far brighter, with Kara essentially swapping platforms with her famous cousin. Although the two Kryptonians have very different personalities, Supergirl's introduction to the DCEU could check many of the boxes usually attributed to Superman, effectively replacing Cavill in the franchise. Kara offers the same extra-terrestrial history and awesome powers as Clark, but her more fallible personality gives more scope for storytelling. Through Wonder Woman and Birds of Prey, the DCEU has a strong track record with female characters, and a Supergirl movie (one that isn't abjectly bad) could banish the clouds created by Henry Cavill's absence.

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Black Adam & Shazam Can Also Replace Parts Of Superman's Role


While Wonder Woman adopts Superman's hopeful nature and the potential introduction of Supergirl offers an almost like-for-like replacement, Black Adam and Shazam also cover some of Clark's most recognizable characteristics. Zachary Levi arrived in the DCEU as Shazam in early 2019 and immediately settled on the lighter side of the superhero spectrum. Shazam's tone was more in line with the original Christopher Reeve Superman movies than the modern genre, giving the DCEU a heartier touch usually reserved for Superman... when he's not snapping Zod's neck. Shazam's superpowers are somewhat similar to Superman's, and a played-for-laughs cameo cements the connection, but more so than Billy Batson, Black Adam appears to be positioned as the DCEU's long-term Superman replacement.



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Set to be played by Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, it's already evident that DCEU Black Adam will be a more heroic interpretation of the comic book character. Adam has been both an outright villain and a misunderstood antihero in the DC comics, but Johnson's will lean heavily towards the latter - a liberator of people who fights for justice in his own uncompromising way. As reiterated by The Rock himself, Black Adam is as powerful as Superman, and the actor has talked-up the chances of the two DC titans coming to blows on the big screen. A character with Black Adam's abilities and the baby-face heroism of The Rock already feels like a potential Superman replacement, and if the DCEU can ever navigate around Johnson's schedule, Black Adam could one day become the face of the franchise.

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But even if other DC heroes can perform the various narrative functions of Superman, there's no substitute for the real thing, especially while Henry Cavill holds fans' hearts. Warner Bros. will take comfort in knowing their superhero franchise doesn't need Superman to survive, but there's no getting away from the iconic status of the world's most famous comic book character. Sooner or later, Superman will have to swoop back into the DCEU.

 
Hmm?? This author of this article is doing a lot of speculating and hypotheticals. Cavill has made it pretty clear that he is all in.

Good read tho.
 
But, isn't this a good thing?

I can be. I liked the darker, more serious nature of the DC movies. They just weren't executed properly. I enjoyed MoS, but the nostalgic fuckbois ruined it. And then they began rushing the narrative to get a Justice League movie with underdeveloped characters and villains and the "light-hearted" Marvel feel. Not all of us want wisecracks and jokes in these movies. Even the best Marvel ones, like Captain America: Winter Soldier, had a more serious tone.
 
Well, HBOMax has been leading in additional subscribers for the past few quarters. This is what prompted the simultaneous theater and HBO Max release decision.

Snyder's work has been solid. Man of Steel and The Watchmen both were dope and well done.
but.... Sucker Punch & BvS...

Is Snyder on the Wachowski sisters path or the Spielberg path?
 
Ok am I the only one who thinks this is a massive reshoot/refilling finesse?


It's kind of unfair in a way. How many directors get to go back and redo things AFTER the criticism. Every movie would be perfect then. I keep calling it a dead end. If successful then what? We redo the universe?
 
Jesse was cast by Snyder
I think studio interference and Jesse Eisenberg ruined BvS.
Yep, you both are correct. Snyder has to take full responsibility for the Jesse E misstep. If Warner could have been patient and allowed the characters to be properly introduced, they wouldn't be in this mess. They could have done movies for all of the characters, including a Man of Steel part 2. This would have built up the anticipation for the Justice League. WB trying to rush and compete sabotaged a good thing.

I think the other thing is that DC needs to stop listening to everyone. The "Dark" direction is a good lane for some of the brands. As someone else mentioned, it's refreshing to see other dimensions of the characters that were too taboo for the big screen.
 
It's kind of unfair in a way. How many directors get to go back and redo things AFTER the criticism. Every movie would be perfect then. I keep calling it a dead end. If successful then what? We redo the universe?
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I think studio interference and Jesse Eisenberg ruined BvS.
The idea of super alien vs smart human was a dumb idea.. yeah yeah I know the cartoon was big but diff is cartoons make you completely throw out any type of reality..like Batman landing on his head with a metal outfit and rolling around 100 times.. even though movies are fake you less likely to give a pass if you see it in a movie instead of a cartoon.. plus none of these guys are gonna murder each other so its no real build up.. zod was ww3 status trying to kill everything moving than you go soft spot with save Martha..smh that shit was garbage that whole idea was garbage and I said that from the start
 
The idea of super alien vs smart human was a dumb idea.. yeah yeah I know the cartoon was big but diff is cartoons make you completely throw out any type of reality..like Batman landing on his head with a metal outfit and rolling around 100 times.. even though movies are fake you less likely to give a pass if you see it in a movie instead of a cartoon.. plus none of these guys are gonna murder each other so its no real build up.. zod was ww3 status trying to kill everything moving than you go soft spot with save Martha..smh that shit was garbage that whole idea was garbage and I said that from the start
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll........ in Lex's defense, he is arguably one of the smartest characters in the universe. Unfortunately, in BvS, he was just a spoiled little kid who was pouting like a baby. His character development was zero. A waste of a good charector.

Speaking of which, go watch Superman, Red Son. The way they portrayed Lex was unbelievable. Spoiler, he's married to Lois.
 
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll........ in Lex's defense, he is arguably one of the smartest characters in the universe. Unfortunately, in BvS, he was just a spoiled little kid who was pouting like a baby. His character development was zero. A waste of a good charector.

Speaking of which, go watch Superman, Red Son. The way they portrayed Lex was unbelievable. Spoiler, he's married to Lois.
I was talking about Batman vs Superman.. Batman is the smart human supes is the powerful alien.. the reality is supes can pick up a train and throw that shit from anywhere on earth or even from outer space and crush Batman.. but they will never let that obvious thing happen cause they got to sell comic books and other merchandise.. so supes becomes this forgiving moronic being when fighting an individual that he can easily kill in a sec.. that right there is why the bvs idea is dumb and why I knew it will fail.. bring me on a villain that wants to kill innocent people and has the capability of fucking up supes.. tell the the smart human to go chase after a clown face bad guy he refuses to kill
 
The idea of super alien vs smart human was a dumb idea.. yeah yeah I know the cartoon was big but diff is cartoons make you completely throw out any type of reality..like Batman landing on his head with a metal outfit and rolling around 100 times.. even though movies are fake you less likely to give a pass if you see it in a movie instead of a cartoon.. plus none of these guys are gonna murder each other so its no real build up.. zod was ww3 status trying to kill everything moving than you go soft spot with save Martha..smh that shit was garbage that whole idea was garbage and I said that from the start

The super alien vs smart human thing wasn't necessarily a dumb idea from a psychological perspective. It just wasn't executed well. Lex Luthor has always been vain and seen himself as having achieved the peak of human excellence in terms of intellect. And Batman similarly has achieved apex intellectual and physical abilities as a human but is psychologically scarred. But Superman's existence renders them irrelevant. And it's also said that the Clark Kent persona - slouching and slow and disheveled, is how Kal-El really sees humanity.

A lot could have been done with those themes if executed properly. It's like taking an Ivy League-educated genius who came from wealth vs a self-made man who came from the streets or came from nothing and pitting them against each other.
 
I was talking about Batman vs Superman.. Batman is the smart human supes is the powerful alien.. the reality is supes can pick up a train and throw that shit from anywhere on earth or even from outer space and crush Batman.. but they will never let that obvious thing happen cause they got to sell comic books and other merchandise.. so supes becomes this forgiving moronic being when fighting an individual that he can easily kill in a sec.. that right there is why the bvs idea is dumb and why I knew it will fail.. bring me on a villain that wants to kill innocent people and has the capability of fucking up supes.. tell the the smart human to go chase after a clown face bad guy he refuses to kill

But also, with Superman, there is his moral character, which I think the movies did a fairly good job of establishing. There was a whole animated episode where Clark Kent helped get an innocent man off death row. No Superman at all.

There's also his love of Lois. His emotions are all-too human.
 
But also, with Superman, there is his moral character, which I think the movies did a fairly good job of establishing. There was a whole animated episode where Clark Kent helped get an innocent man off death row. No Superman at all.

There's also his love of Lois. His emotions are all-too human.
Cartoons.. the moral character is to not kill people in order to keep bringing them back to sell more comic books.. same reason why Batman dosent kill joker.. if he kills joker there isn’t a 1000 comic books featuring him.. not about morals but money.. they just use the moral line so you don’t go why dosent he kill this piece of shit already
 
Yall really want this version of the DCU to work? Let this dumb shit die. Fonzerelli was wrong when he gave this an 8. There is no salvaging it. Let it burn and build something new.
 
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