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I'm not going to see it because I think QT was the White Tyler Perry but you made a great point.

Now that some of you have seen it, how close was that "script" that was floating around that got everyone all mad?

No one even read the script.. What "got everyone all mad" were ASSUMPTIONS.
 
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Saw the movie, loved it. A black man killing white people like it should be and saving his black woman from being raped beaten and tortured. That's the absolute BIDNESS. Loved it. And i loved her at the end with the rifle.

Great movie. Some things were a little weird to me, Django reading was weird to me. They never explained that. How he and Brunnhilde were married needed to be explained. And the way the german dude all of a sudden loses his cool out of nowhere was out of character to me as well.

He did it because he finally understood how Django felt. The reason he kept telling Django to keep his cool because he didn't really understand until that moment.

Also, he Django was a take on Frederick Douglas and i could see that because he had the haircut in the beginning, but then I could be reading into it, but he was the only character with that cut through the entire movie.
 
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I'm not going to see it because I think QT was the White Tyler Perry but you made a great point.

Now that some of you have seen it, how close was that "script" that was floating around that got everyone all mad?

Yup, QT nearly fucked up the film for me.
 
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He did it because he finally understood how Django felt. The reason he kept telling Django to keep his cool because he didn't really understand until that moment.

Also, he Django was a take on Frederick Douglas and i could see that because he had the haircut in the beginning, but then I could be reading into it, but he was the only character with that cut through the entire movie.

Yeah i know he was against slavery. And i understood that much just fine. But i just felt it was WAY out of character for him. He didn't want to shake his hand, i get it. But then Candie pushed too far. I even get THAT. But dude was thinking about stuff and chilling out the whole time. You can kill dudes in front of their children(no biggie) but you can't keep your cool because of that revolting human being Candy? Eh. It just doesn't sit well with me. It's not a BIG HUGE deal. As for Django? I only saw the Frederick douglass cut on 1 of the pall bearers. Where else did you see it at?
 
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Yeah i know he was against slavery. And i understood that much just fine. But i just felt it was WAY out of character for him. He didn't want to shake his hand, i get it. But then Candie pushed too far. I even get THAT. But dude was thinking about stuff and chilling out the whole time. You can kill dudes in front of their children(no biggie) but you can't keep your cool because of that revolting human being Candy? Eh. It just doesn't sit well with me. It's not a BIG HUGE deal. As for Django? I only saw the Frederick douglass cut on 1 of the pall bearers. Where else did you see it at?

You have to remember he was disturbed by what has transpired. He has seen slavery, but he never really witnessed the brutality outside of transporting people.

Django had the cut in the beginning, but him know how to read doesn't mean that much. His wife could have taught him.
 
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You have to remember he was disturbed by what has transpired. He has seen slavery, but he never really witnessed the brutality outside of transporting people.

Django had the cut in the beginning, but him know how to read doesn't mean that much. His wife could have taught him.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah that is true. Ok. Yeah she could've taught him. But they could've put that in there somewhere, a line.
 
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Cosign you two brothers.

I have a question for those who have not and will not see 'Django' and agree with Spike Lee's assertion that the film is "disrespectful" to our ancestors yet he did not see it:

Without having seen 'Django', how can you reconcile your "outrage" over the film, which factors in pre Civil War Whites calling slaves derogatory names, yet support a classic movie like 'Bamboozled' where the biggest wigger in the world Michael Rapport constantly called other Black people ******* and the placard was this:
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By the way, don't get too cocky with your answer as I carefully worded my question.

I've posted this before but I'll use it to address your question:

Qt said he wanted to make a WESTERN but using the antebellum south with a slave plantation as his setting THATS where the point of contention comes in.

again..something like that you did not see in his big WW2 The Jews Strike Back epic Inglorious Basterds.

THAT is the point I'm making. Jews wouldn't not only tolerate using the holocaust as a backdrop for an action film it wouldn't even occur to most people to do something like that. It either didn't occur to tarantino or he consciously avoided staging his war film in an Auschwitz setting.

In the beginning I was kinda hyped to see django unchained but my position now is evolving and I can see how people can take offense to it on principle. The native american community wouldn't appreciate an action/fantasy movie that used The Trail Of Tears as a backdrop.

Somethings should be seen for what they were and not used for escapist entertainment purposes...thats why Schindler's List was done almost documentary style and not as a thriller. And when people talk about the holocaust in entertainment media its in hushed respectful tones.

Now QT THINKS he's being respectful by portraying the brutality of slavery in america but his concept of doing a western but with slavery in the background as a motivating force for the characters is out of pocket at best regardless of good intentions.

I mean if we're going to use horrible episodes of human history as settings for fictional action stories then lets do them all..if django unchained can be made and win major awards then when is the big holocaust action film going to be made (complete with emaciated jews with hollowed eyed stares and hopeless look about them?)

How about 911 with a recreation of the towers being hit and coming down..while we're at it I'm sure theres a great thriller story that can use the Newtown Massacre as its setting..26 kids still get killed but this time the principal of the school gets into an exciting john woo style shootout with adam lanza and they both kill each other.

Now if you think ANY of those ideas are offensive but stlll think django unchained is just a movie then sherlock holmes couldn't give you a clue

As far as Bamboozled is concerned that was Spike's heavy handed commentary on race and entertainment media. The point of his film was to illustrate how racist hollywood has been and is. Its pointed satire.

Tarantino wasn't making a satirical look at slavery and society and its larger role and meaning his is just an action/comedy revenge play using historical events as a backdrop.

As for the use of the n-word thats not my nitpick since I understand the context and period of the film.
 
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Yeah i know he was against slavery. And i understood that much just fine. But i just felt it was WAY out of character for him. He didn't want to shake his hand, i get it. But then Candie pushed too far. I even get THAT. But dude was thinking about stuff and chilling out the whole time. You can kill dudes in front of their children(no biggie) but you can't keep your cool because of that revolting human being Candy? Eh. It just doesn't sit well with me. It's not a BIG HUGE deal. As for Django? I only saw the Frederick douglass cut on 1 of the pall bearers. Where else did you see it at?

It wasn't that far fetched for me. He justified the people he and Django killed because they were killing bad people, but just prior to killing Candie, he was having flashbacks of the dogs and the Mandingo....and Candie ruthlessly killing a man who did no one any harm and was completely helpless. It was more than he could take.

Which brings me to another great line. Candie asked Django if Schultz wasn't used to seeing a man torn apart by dogs? Django said it didn't really bother him.

Candie said you must be used to seeing a man torn apart by dogs and Django replied, 'no, I'm just used to Americans."

That single line did as much to villify the savagery of white Americans as any line in the movie.
 
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I'm still trying to find out why was a woman an overseer and why was her face covered?
 
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WHAT? QT made Kill Bill, Pulp Fiction and reservoir dogs. In what cinematic terms are Tyler Perry and Quinton Tarantino in the same space?
They aren't. Stop taking the stupid shit people say on BGOL seriously.:smh:
 
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I'm still trying to find out why was a woman an overseer and why was her face covered?

There is no clear significance or explanation in the film, or the script.



But as I stated earlier, it was Zoe Bell who's a stunt double for Uma Thurman.. She had a part in another QT film, "Death Proof" as well..


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It wasn't that far fetched for me. He justified the people he and Django killed because they were killing bad people, but just prior to killing Candie, he was having flashbacks of the dogs and the Mandingo....and Candie ruthlessly killing a man who did no one any harm and was completely helpless. It was more than he could take.

Which brings me to another great line. Candie asked Django if Schultz wasn't used to seeing a man torn apart by dogs? Django said it didn't really bother him.

Candie said you must be used to seeing a man torn apart by dogs and Django replied, 'no, I'm just used to Americans."

That single line did as much to villify the savagery of white Americans as any line in the movie.

Indeed it did. Very good point. I loved that line as well.
 
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I've posted this before but I'll use it to address your question:

Qt said he wanted to make a WESTERN but using the antebellum south with a slave plantation as his setting THATS where the point of contention comes in.

again..something like that you did not see in his big WW2 The Jews Strike Back epic Inglorious Basterds.

THAT is the point I'm making. Jews wouldn't not only tolerate using the holocaust as a backdrop for an action film it wouldn't even occur to most people to do something like that. It either didn't occur to tarantino or he consciously avoided staging his war film in an Auschwitz setting.

In the beginning I was kinda hyped to see django unchained but my position now is evolving and I can see how people can take offense to it on principle. The native american community wouldn't appreciate an action/fantasy movie that used The Trail Of Tears as a backdrop.

Somethings should be seen for what they were and not used for escapist entertainment purposes...thats why Schindler's List was done almost documentary style and not as a thriller. And when people talk about the holocaust in entertainment media its in hushed respectful tones.

Now QT THINKS he's being respectful by portraying the brutality of slavery in america but his concept of doing a western but with slavery in the background as a motivating force for the characters is out of pocket at best regardless of good intentions.

I mean if we're going to use horrible episodes of human history as settings for fictional action stories then lets do them all..if django unchained can be made and win major awards then when is the big holocaust action film going to be made (complete with emaciated jews with hollowed eyed stares and hopeless look about them?)

How about 911 with a recreation of the towers being hit and coming down..while we're at it I'm sure theres a great thriller story that can use the Newtown Massacre as its setting..26 kids still get killed but this time the principal of the school gets into an exciting john woo style shootout with adam lanza and they both kill each other.

Now if you think ANY of those ideas are offensive but stlll think django unchained is just a movie then sherlock holmes couldn't give you a clue

As far as Bamboozled is concerned that was Spike's heavy handed commentary on race and entertainment media. The point of his film was to illustrate how racist hollywood has been and is. Its pointed satire.

Tarantino wasn't making a satirical look at slavery and society and its larger role and meaning his is just an action/comedy revenge play using historical events as a backdrop.

As for the use of the n-word thats not my nitpick since I understand the context and period of the film.

Can you explain why an action movie with slavery as a backdrop, or in fact with the Holocaust, 911, Newtown or the Trail of Tears as backdrops would automatically be disrespectful/insulting/insensitive?

Because just on the face of it, I dont see how it can be dismissed without even being seen.

Simply because its an action film?

Its all about the movie itself and how its made.
 
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The movie was ok. Some of the scenes just rubbed me the wrong way. I had no problem with the use of the N word although at times i thought it was a little forced.
 
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The movie was ok. Some of the scenes just rubbed me the wrong way. I had no problem with the use of the N word although at times i thought it was a little forced.

The whipping of the woman got me misty. All the women at the table got me angry.
 
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Can you explain why an action movie with slavery as a backdrop, or in fact with the Holocaust, 911, Newtown or the Trail of Tears as backdrops would automatically be disrespectful/insulting/insensitive?

Because just on the face of it, I dont see how it can be dismissed without even being seen.

Simply because its an action film?

Its all about the movie itself and how its made.

Denzel articulates it best in this vid



now I understand that his daughter is in Django Unchained and apparently he didn't take offense to it thats his choice. I'm just positing how people could take offense to the film and use of plantation life during slavery.
 
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peace


Fuck all the yip yap, militancy & bandwagon jumping ye or ne.

This STILL is BGOL right or did the false reading of the Mayan calender fuck that up too?

Where TF is the link?
wtf?

peace
 
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The German dude lost his cool from being beat out of 12 stacks. Add that to all the inhumane shit he had to witness and he reached his boiling point.

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Qt said he wanted to make a WESTERN but using the antebellum south with a slave plantation as his setting THATS where the point of contention comes in.

again..something like that you did not see in his big WW2 The Jews Strike Back epic Inglorious Basterds.

THAT is the point I'm making. Jews wouldn't not only tolerate using the holocaust as a backdrop for an action film it wouldn't even occur to most people to do something like that. It either didn't occur to tarantino or he consciously avoided staging his war film in an Auschwitz setting.

In the beginning I was kinda hyped to see django unchained but my position now is evolving and I can see how people can take offense to it on principle. The native american community wouldn't appreciate an action/fantasy movie that used The Trail Of Tears as a backdrop.

That's it in a nutshell, for those offended by the movie...I can understand. Especially when you look at it from this perspective. I saw it & enjoyed it. Its truly on us to tell our story
 
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I'm not going to see it because I think QT was the White Tyler Perry but you made a great point.

Now that some of you have seen it, how close was that "script" that was floating around that got everyone all mad?

Compared to the script that was first released Django Unchained is a lot tamer. Most of the strong humiliating degrading and disgusting scenes were taken out. In the script Broomhilda is raped throughout the story and exchanged hands from different owners before arriving on Candie's (Leonardo DiCaprio) plantation, those scenes were removed. The scenes of Django and Broomhilda being sold on the auction block were removed, scenes of Django and Broomhilda making love and being violated were removed. There was a particular poker game that took place in the Cleopatra Club that I was looking forward to seeing that was removed that explains how Calvin Candie acquired Broomhilda.

However, I think parts that were left out in this movie were still shot and will likely resurface in a collectors edition as I remember seeing some clips of the Django Broomhilda love making.
 
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WHAT? QT made Kill Bill, Pulp Fiction and reservoir dogs. In what cinematic terms are Tyler Perry and Quinton Tarantino in the same space?

they both have a fascination with the dark side of black culture...altho tarantino uses the word ****** more than perry ever has...

 
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To my surprise I was very let down with the film. Not because of any political reasons, or exploitation . I just didn't think it was a very interesting movie. I get the whole, Grindhouse eye candy thing. But i just expected more twist and turns then that. I expected the dialogue to be a little heavier. I mean Jaimie Foxx and Kerry Washington were very underutilized. It was baby food. Totally preaching to the choir.. If your gonna open up such an interesting period of time, add some depth to it. By depth I mean, Samuel L took his character to a deep place in spite of it being a surface type character. But the whole movie didn't get that intricate. I don't agree with the Black Righteous argument ive read in this post. But frankly i feel like a fool for having argued over such a basic movie to begin with. Def Tarantino's worst movie.
 
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It was funny and ultra Violent. Tarantino at his best. I didnt even notice all the so called offensive "niggas" being said. I even thought some of them were funny. "A god damn nigga on a horse!" And my Favorite at the end "I guess Im that nigga then." And to dead the argument about the Holocaust, Jews fund the movies so they can tell you how to make them. End of discussion.
 
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The theater was like 95% CAC.. Them motherfuckers LOVED the first hour. They roared with laughter when lines like "Wait?.. Is that a ****** on a Horse?.." were uttered.. But that last hour or so when CAC heads started to roll, namely DiCaprio's character, you could hear a pin drop in that motherfucker!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

It was funny and ultra Violent. Tarantino at his best. I didnt even notice all the so called offensive "******s" being said. I even thought some of them were funny. "A god damn nigga on a horse!"

Wow.
 
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I've posted this before but I'll use it to address your question:

Qt said he wanted to make a WESTERN but using the antebellum south with a slave plantation as his setting THATS where the point of contention comes in.

again..something like that you did not see in his big WW2 The Jews Strike Back epic Inglorious Basterds.

THAT is the point I'm making. Jews wouldn't not only tolerate using the holocaust as a backdrop for an action film it wouldn't even occur to most people to do something like that. It either didn't occur to tarantino or he consciously avoided staging his war film in an Auschwitz setting.

In the beginning I was kinda hyped to see django unchained but my position now is evolving and I can see how people can take offense to it on principle. The native american community wouldn't appreciate an action/fantasy movie that used The Trail Of Tears as a backdrop.

Somethings should be seen for what they were and not used for escapist entertainment purposes...thats why Schindler's List was done almost documentary style and not as a thriller. And when people talk about the holocaust in entertainment media its in hushed respectful tones.

Now QT THINKS he's being respectful by portraying the brutality of slavery in america but his concept of doing a western but with slavery in the background as a motivating force for the characters is out of pocket at best regardless of good intentions.

I mean if we're going to use horrible episodes of human history as settings for fictional action stories then lets do them all..if django unchained can be made and win major awards then when is the big holocaust action film going to be made (complete with emaciated jews with hollowed eyed stares and hopeless look about them?)

How about 911 with a recreation of the towers being hit and coming down..while we're at it I'm sure theres a great thriller story that can use the Newtown Massacre as its setting..26 kids still get killed but this time the principal of the school gets into an exciting john woo style shootout with adam lanza and they both kill each other.

Now if you think ANY of those ideas are offensive but stlll think django unchained is just a movie then sherlock holmes couldn't give you a clue

As far as Bamboozled is concerned that was Spike's heavy handed commentary on race and entertainment media. The point of his film was to illustrate how racist hollywood has been and is. Its pointed satire.

Tarantino wasn't making a satirical look at slavery and society and its larger role and meaning his is just an action/comedy revenge play using historical events as a backdrop.

As for the use of the n-word thats not my nitpick since I understand the context and period of the film.



u present some good points, and to not make this reply even longer than the post, there were actually black cowboys who were free men during slavery so qt making a western with a setting in slavery isn't out of bounds imo. django was an avenger basically. he went nat turner on mutha fukas. but at the same time i wasn't comfortable sitting in that theater surrounded by white folks. it was like 98% white. and some of the sheit they were laughin at was NOT funny. i'm guessing their reason for seeing the movie was different from mine. some prolly were qt fans regardless, some like leonardo dicaprio, or jamie foxx. maybe the subject matter was of interest to some. and undoubtedly a small minority just wanted to see black folks in chains or in slave flicks, reminding them of the 'good ole days' :rolleyes:

for whatever reason, it was still a good movie. i disagree with spike lee on it being disrespectful. in fact if u look at the film closely, the smartest, bravest and most confident people depicted in the film were all black
 
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And to dead the argument about the Holocaust, Jews fund the movies so they can tell you how to make them. End of discussion.

tell us something that we don't know..:rolleyes:

I got one..do you think jews would greenlite a holocaust action film?
 
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I just saw it earlier, as far as n-bombs I have heard more in rosewood, some one said it was forced didn't seem that way to me, it was not dropped loosely but that was what they referred to us as. The back drop was great it was slavery times, but was really a western at heart, it was love, it was revenge, action, and it was a slice of what we went through as a people. it was well plotted (if that's a word forgive oh English phd's it has been a long day) I don't understand how you can worry about it being racist or dragging us down and Jamie fox whipped and killed a white guy, and shot several others, and blew that white lady out her mother fucking shoes, shot the nuts off a guy who tried to take his, and killed a blatant uncle Tom shit I figure that's something we can all get up for, QT did his thing. I think your doing yourself an injustice by not seeing it, at the end of the day far be it from me to say how you interpret a movie but honestly I saw nothing of Ill repute in this movie
 
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