Juan Williams says Iraqi people should be thankful

VegasGuy

Star
OG Investor
Juan Williams: Iraqi Protesters Are ‘Ingrate’ Who Should Appreciate U.S. Invasion»

Last night on “The O’Reilly Factor,” host Bill O’Reilly slammed Muntader al-Zaidi, the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at President Bush, and said that if he had been there, he “would have physically taken the guy down.” Guest Juan Williams agreed, but he widened his condemnation to Iraqis in general, who he said were behaving like “ingrate” for not appreciating what the United States has done for them:

WILLIAMS: But on a serious level, how many American lives have been sacrificed to the cause of liberating Iraq? How much money has been spent while they’re not spending their own profits from their oil? American money. So I just think it’s absolutely the act of an ingrate for them to behave in this way. Just unbelievable to me.

Watch it:
[FLASH]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/oRjPlN4rnGg&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/oRjPlN4rnGg&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" [/FLASH]

Last month, National Review’s Andy McCarthy was similarly frustrated by Iraqis’ failure to shower their occupiers with thanks and gratitude:

Thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions in taxpayer funds have been expended to provide Iraqis the opportunity to live freely. And this despite the facts that (a) the U.S. interest in Iraqi democracy remains tenuous…and (b) Americans were assured, when the nation-building enterprise commenced, that oil-rich Iraq would underwrite our sacrifices on its behalf. Yet, to be blunt, the Iraqis remain ingrates. That stubborn fact complicates everything.

Even President Bush is confused about Iraqis’ frustration, telling Bob Woodward, “I don’t understand that the Iraqis are not appreciative of what we’ve done for them.” Woodward explained, “He thinks we’ve done this magnificent thing for them. I think he still holds to that position.”

An Oxfam report from February 2008 put into startling focus what the U.S. invasion has really meant for Iraqis:

– More than four million Iraqis forced to flee either to another part of Iraq or abroad.
– Four million Iraqis regularly cannot buy enough food.
– 70 percent are without adequate water supplies, compared to 50 percent in 2003.
– 28 percent of children are malnourished, compared to 19 percent before the 2003 invasion.
– 92 percent of Iraqi children suffer learning problems, mostly due to the climate of fear.

The Brookings Institute’s Iraq index also notes that the national unemployment rate is somewhere between 25 and 40 percent. Fifty-six percent of Iraqis say things in Iraq are going “quite bad” or “very bad.” Sixty percent rate economic conditions as “poor” and 75 percent rate security conditions “poor.”


Link

-VG
 
man i dont even see a iraqi death toll listed :smh:
i hate that tom
hundreds of thousands of dead iraqis are thanking us- we just cant hear em cuz theyre dead :hmm:
 
That's fucked up that he fixed his mouth to say that.I don't blame Iraqi's for hating us after seeing what goes on and what went on over here.
 
Here we go again. Any black man that isn't fanatically and maniacally against the Iraq War at all times is a tom or worse to the black group-think populace.

Every week on Fox News Sunday, I see Juan Williams and Bill Kristol argue and everytime the Iraq War comes up he calls it a dumb war that he always opposed. However, even though I disagree with his stance, I respect him the most of all the liberal black analyst. Juan Williams refuses to pretend like the US didn't spend alot of time and effort making the Iraqis much, much, much better off than they were under Saddam or they ever would have been under Saddam using any timeframe. Only a minority of whites and a majority of blacks want to pretend that many Americans and Iraqis didn't die with the end result being Iraq much free than it would have been otherwise.

Juan Williams is hated by group-think blacks because he has an above average respect for the realities of life that stares him in the face everyday. He doesn't sacrifice reality to majority-rule like the rest of you.
 
Juan Williams has totally sold out. Which goes to prove just about anyone can be bought. After Fox News is done with his tommin' ass he'll come sniveling back, but it'll be too late. :mad:
 
I wouldn't call Iraqis ingrates but they don't have to worry about a madman enslaving them and their children for eternity anymore, for that they could be more understanding. But when you been a slave your whole life there's no way you know the sacrifices freedom demands. Maybe if Iraqis knew more about America's Civil War they would see what the future could be like for them. In any case, whether the U.S could have removed Saddam without war is uncertain but after 9-11 the despot had to go. Bush mistake was trying to fight the war on the cheap. He should have pledged every U.S. resource to the job, maybe then Iraq and America would have gotten the clean, surgical removal of Saddam we expected.
 
Here we go again. Any black man that isn't fanatically and maniacally against the Iraq War at all times is a tom or worse to the black group-think populace.

Every week on Fox News Sunday, I see Juan Williams and Bill Kristol argue and everytime the Iraq War comes up he calls it a dumb war that he always opposed. However, even though I disagree with his stance, I respect him the most of all the liberal black analyst. Juan Williams refuses to pretend like the US didn't spend alot of time and effort making the Iraqis much, much, much better off than they were under Saddam or they ever would have been under Saddam using any timeframe. Only a minority of whites and a majority of blacks want to pretend that many Americans and Iraqis didn't die with the end result being Iraq much free than it would have been otherwise.

Juan Williams is hated by group-think blacks because he has an above average respect for the realities of life that stares him in the face everyday. He doesn't sacrifice reality to majority-rule like the rest of you.
You must be a group-think conservative black railing against all those who find issue with Juanito. No? A generalization you say? :hmm:

Explain to us how hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dying makes them much much much better off.

Dead> Alive? Why haven't you killed yourself yet? Or is it Iraqis who are just better off dead?
 
The Iraqis had one future awaiting them before 2003, the one dictated to them by Saddam and his sons for decades prior and for decades to come. Now they have many more options available to them and essentially the only requirement to realize whatever they choose is to fight for it. I have a belief that humans generally choose freedom when given the chance and if enough of them fight for it and fight effectively they will get it. It's not a guaranteed result though. The chance to even fight for freedom was essentially non-existent before 2003 and wasn't likely to manifest itself post-2003 without outside intervention. That was not the reason we went to war nor the reason I supported the war, but it is a reality that exist whether you opposed the war or not. Williams get that and he opposed the war.

I know the thought of being much much better off because a fighting chance exist is confusing to 95% of black people in America which is why I just bothered to explain it. Juan Williams can't help it that he still has some fight in him, which is why he gets it and the rest of you don't. And I know he gets it because of the books he's put out there telling black people that all isn't lost and to keep fighting for themselves.
 
You still didnt mention how hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are better off dead.

How do dead people have a fighting chance?

Break it down.
 
You're absolutely right.
So you can't explain how Iraqis are better off? Is it that the Iraqis that survive the armed invasion and occupation and subsequent civil strife are much much much better off and should be very thankful because they now have a better chance at possibly having freedom than they did before?


Pal%20wounded%20baby.jpg

Look at how good you got it kid.


War-IraqiDead.jpg

You lucky bastards hit the lotto.


horribly_wounded_iraqi_child.jpg

One leg is much much much better off.



y167848981728696.jpg

You smell that lady? No, not the human flesh burning. Its the chance of possibly having freedom.


Thanks for setting us straight Greed.

w-and-juan-williams.jpg

Thanks fellas. I see it all clearly now.
 
Last edited:
Here we go again. Any black man that isn't fanatically and maniacally against the Iraq War at all times is a tom or worse to the black group-think populace.

Every week on Fox News Sunday, I see Juan Williams and Bill Kristol argue and everytime the Iraq War comes up he calls it a dumb war that he always opposed. However, even though I disagree with his stance, I respect him the most of all the liberal black analyst. Juan Williams refuses to pretend like the US didn't spend alot of time and effort making the Iraqis much, much, much better off than they were under Saddam or they ever would have been under Saddam using any timeframe. Only a minority of whites and a majority of blacks want to pretend that many Americans and Iraqis didn't die with the end result being Iraq much free than it would have been otherwise.

Juan Williams is hated by group-think blacks because he has an above average respect for the realities of life that stares him in the face everyday. He doesn't sacrifice reality to majority-rule like the rest of you.

Man, save the lame ass, woe be me, right wing defensive bullshit huh buddy? I mean this is so pathetic I don't even recognize you. You sound like Jesse Lee Peterson.
Bottom line man, millions were affected by this wrong headed move most believe was to steal oil. Period. You can't sit there and defend the actions of those who decimated an entire nation when the people affected react in a negative way.

-VG
 
Why don't you read the part of your nonsense that I actually conceded the point on. You're absolutely right I never did say how people are better off dead.

So you can't explain how Iraqis are better off?
And I did explain how Iraqis are now much much better off now than before. And I also explained how you're oblivious to how important that is which is why you're so flippant regarding going from an effectively zero chance at freedom for your country to greater than zero.
 
Why don't you read the part of your nonsense that I actually conceded the point on. You're absolutely right I never did say how people are better off dead.

If you are conceding a point, be more specific because I didn't see you concede anything directly. Okay. You didn't say it. So what? Are you saying they are in fact better off alive? Sorry, if this is strained- I just don't really know if you actually agree that Iraqis are better off alive.


And I did explain how Iraqis are now much much better off now than before. And I also explained how you're oblivious to how important that is which is why you're so flippant regarding going from an effectively zero chance at freedom for your country to greater than zero.

How can you have explained how much much better off Iraqis are now than before if you cannot even state if they are better off alive?
Settle down. I understand your conclusion. I just can't understand how you got there without some elaboration in regard to Iraqis being better off, specifically the life and death thing.
As is, I could see you arguing that some Iraqis are much much better off. But since 700,000 Iraqis are visiting Allah, I don't really see how Iraqis in general are better off.
 
Staying BGOL stupid isn't going to change reality. If I say the most important thing is the chance to fight, then why would I have to clarify to you that being dead, and not able to fight, is not optimal. The real problem is most of those Iraqis died while US troops were doing the actually fighting.

I have no idea about the validity of any of the dead or wounded numbers, but I still can overestimate your estimation and know you'll never get.

If there are 25 million Iraqis, then why is it in your mind a million dead more accurately explains their current state or possible future state than the 24 million alive. I'll even give you another million wounded. How does BGOL math work where even 2 million dead or injured is the definition of "Iraqis in general" as opposed to 23 million not dead or wounded.
 
Before I even entertained listening to this horseshit, I would have to ask them if they even know what a uranium depleted round is. Karma is a bitch, and the United States is next in line for a healthy dose of it.
 
Staying BGOL stupid isn't going to change reality. If I say the most important thing is the chance to fight, then why would I have to clarify to you that being dead, and not able to fight, is not optimal. The real problem is most of those Iraqis died while US troops were doing the actually fighting.

I have no idea about the validity of any of the dead or wounded numbers, but I still can overestimate your estimation and know you'll never get.

If there are 25 million Iraqis, then why is it in your mind a million dead more accurately explains their current state or possible future state than the 24 million alive. I'll even give you another million wounded. How does BGOL math work where even 2 million dead or injured is the definition of "Iraqis in general" as opposed to 23 million not dead or wounded.
Wow. Was that so hard? I guess it was. Being dead is not optimal. :lol:
Nice.

When did I say casualties are the entirety of what it means to be Iraqi? I'm just trying to figure out how you can say any enterprise that results in the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, undertaken in a nation against the population's will, is much much much better for them on a longshot chance that they could become free. :lol: Like no one in Iraq ever heard of civil wars or coups. Oh but that's right, that could never have worked. They wouldn't have had a chance. They would have been slaughtered.
But now they've been slaughtered and it is so much better because they could be the first legitimate democracy in the middle east :hmm:
Are you that fucking naive, or that fucking desperate to defend a defenseless fucked up situation?
Youre arguing to thank the rapist who by raping you, prevented your being robbed.
:lol:
Totally fuckin ridiculous. I don't know shit about BGOL math but it seems you are abusing some George W logic.
I could see if the motive was pure(which it wasn't) saying "hey, you know we meant well but we fucked up". But demanding fuckin thanks?
Wild. I may love my freedom and be willing to fight for it but to put my beliefs onto another man? after cheerleading criminals who abused that man to say he should be thankful? You're a pretty warped muthafucka, you and Juanito. With reach like that you should be a boxer.
 
Staying BGOL stupid isn't going to change reality. If I say the most important thing is the chance to fight, then why would I have to clarify to you that being dead, and not able to fight, is not optimal. The real problem is most of those Iraqis died while US troops were doing the actually fighting.

I have no idea about the validity of any of the dead or wounded numbers, but I still can overestimate your estimation and know you'll never get.

If there are 25 million Iraqis, then why is it in your mind a million dead more accurately explains their current state or possible future state than the 24 million alive. I'll even give you another million wounded. How does BGOL math work where even 2 million dead or injured is the definition of "Iraqis in general" as opposed to 23 million not dead or wounded.

* Nearly a quarter of Iraq’s children suffer from chronic malnutrition.

* The probability of dying before 40 for Iraqi children born between 2000 and 2004 is approximately three times the level in neighboring countries.

* Three out of four Iraqi families report an unstable supply of electricity.

* 40 percent of families in urban areas live in neighborhoods where sewage can be seen in the streets.

* More than 722,000 Iraqi families have no access to either safe or stable drinking water.

* The jobless rate for young men with secondary or higher education stands at 37 percent.

Think about this next time before you start spouting irrational ignorance. Try actually reading the reports coming out of the country, and not drawing your own uninformed conclusions.
 
[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/xF31yIwiLQw&feature=PlayList&p=1FEBAC8A190AD9A7&playnext=1&index=38&fmt=18[/flash]

Though you may not drive around Iraq
Gangsta greenzone
Runnin water in the back
You may not have a life at all
But remember brothers and sisters
You can still stand tall :hmm:

Just be thankful for what you've got
Though you may not drive around Iraq
IED in the back, sniper on top
Bush is diggin' the scene
With a gangsta lean
Gangsta greenzone
Runnin water in the back

You may not have a life at all
But remember brothers and sisters
You can still stand tall :hmm:

IED in the back, sniper on top
Bush is diggin' the scene
With a gangsta lean, wooh-ooh-ooh
IED in the back, sniper on top
Bush is diggin' the scene
With a gangsta lean, wooh-ooh-ooh
IED in the back, sniper on top
Bush is diggin' the scene
With a gangsta lean, wooh-ooh-ooh

:dance:
 
You can't sit there and defend the actions of those who decimated an entire nation when the people affected react in a negative way.

-VG

Right! Sometimes we Americans are sooo arrogant we can't imagine that others would have the same normal human responses to pain & suffering, grief & loss. :smh::smh:
 
Right! Sometimes we Americans are sooo arrogant we can't imagine that others would have the same normal human responses to pain & suffering, grief & loss. :smh::smh:

That's what I'm saying.
When did they become non-human? They got lives, responsibilities, expectations, families too. I keep wondering how the fuck their lives became so less important to talking heads to say it's no big deal we wiped out tens of thousands. So what thousands more can't even flush a toilet or cook, because we forced 5 thousand Americans to die in the process, THEY should be grateful and keep their shoes on their feet? That's some delusional type shit right there. Fuck Juan.

-VG
 
Staying BGOL stupid isn't going to change reality. If I say the most important thing is the chance to fight, then why would I have to clarify to you that being dead, and not able to fight, is not optimal. The real problem is most of those Iraqis died while US troops were doing the actually fighting.

I have no idea about the validity of any of the dead or wounded numbers, but I still can overestimate your estimation and know you'll never get.

If there are 25 million Iraqis, then why is it in your mind a million dead more accurately explains their current state or possible future state than the 24 million alive. I'll even give you another million wounded. How does BGOL math work where even 2 million dead or injured is the definition of "Iraqis in general" as opposed to 23 million not dead or wounded.

C'mon man, if (using the number you used) 2 million Americans were dead and/or injured due to a foreign occupation, do you REALLY think ANY American would be greatful (no matter what the circumstance was here)? I mean hell, we declared war on two countries (one that didn't even have anything to do with 9-11) over an attack that killed about 3 thousand people. If any of the outlandish numbers we see in Iraq ever came to our shores (be it 200K or 2 million or any number in between) we would have unleashed our nuke arsenal on the world, the world would essentially not exist in any useful form today. You are talking about 8-10% of the population of a country either dead or injured, even if I take the more "Bush-friendly" number of 200K you are still talking almost 1% of the population. Can you fucking imagine between 3.5 and 35 MILLION Americans being killed by a foreign occupation? This country would turn into Nazi Germany overnight because the extremists would be given a free pass to do as they saw fit. You saw how much Americans were willing to conceded to extremists after 9-11, now extrapolate that shit out to the kind of carnage Iraq is seeing. The Iraqi's are behaving MUCH better than most Americans would given the circumstances.

Also, isn't it kind of ironic that Juan would claim we are "Nation building" and spreading Democracy over there and then begrudge the people the purist expression of Democracy there is in organized protest? That's what kills me about cats like that, they love repackaging totalitarian, empirialist and authoritarian ideas into "Democracy". To them "Democracy" equals voting and not much else, hell, MOST dictatorships have elections.
 
The war in Iraq was suppose to be part of a larger War on Terror. Iran and North Korea where also part of it. Iraq was mishandled and became the mess it is today. Meanwhile Iran is on the verge of getting nukes, North Korea is unstable to say the least and Israel is carrying out strikes against Hamas as we speak. If Islamic governments have their way democracy will be killed. Whether we like it or not the options are freedom vs opression, they can't peacefully co-exist. The Bush doctrine was right in the sense that in this day and age no one should be ruled by dictators, when one person does it's a threat to freedom everywhere.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top