Juan Manuel Lopez vs Rafael Marquez - A classic in the making???

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Fuck it, thought I'd post about some shit that doesn't concern Pacman or Floyd in some way.:dunno: There are other fights out there that actually are going to happen that are worth discussing.


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LAS VEGAS, NEV. (July 24, 2010) - Fireworks will fly during Mexican Independence Day weekend in Las Vegas, Nev., when two-division world champions JUAN MANUEL "JuanMa" LOPEZ and RAFAEL MARQUEZ collide for Lopez's World Boxing Organization (WBO) featherweight title, Saturday, September 18, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena. The 12-round world title tilt will be televised live on SHOWTIME Championship Boxing.

These two warriors boast a combined record of 68-5 with an astounding 61 knockouts - a winning percentage of 93% and a victory by knockout ratio of 90%.

The fight will be promoted by Top Rank, in association with PR Best Boxing, Zanfer Promotions and Gary Shaw Productions. Tickets, priced at $400, $300, $200, $100 and $50, go on sale Monday, August 2, at 10 a.m. PT, and can be purchased at all Las Vegas Ticketmaster locations (select Smith's Food and Drug Centers and Ritmo Latino.) Ticket sales are limited to eight (8) per person. To charge by phone with a major credit card, call Ticketmaster (800) 745-3000. Tickets are also available for purchase at www.mgmgrand.com or www.ticketmaster.com.

"I am looking forward to showing my skills against a great champion like Rafael Marquez, one of the all-time greats and a future hall of famer," said Lopez. "It will be the biggest fight of my career."

"To join the elite class of Mexican champions like Julio César Chávez, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Fernando Montiel and my brother Juan Manuel, who have won world titles in three different weight divisions, has always been a goal of mine and now that opportunity has arrived, fighting for a third division world title as my country celebrates its Independence Day. Making it even more special is that Juan Manuel and I would be the only brothers to accomplish such a feat," said Marquez. "This has become the most important fight of my career and I will train for it as if I were fighting for my life."

"This world title fight between Juan Manuel Lopez and Rafael Marquez is one of the premier battles in the sport of boxing. It will be fascinating and entertaining from start to finish," said Bob Arum, CEO of Top Rank.

"Rafael and JuanMa have never taken a step backward in their professional careers, which is what makes them so exciting and attractive to their legions of fans," said Gary Shaw, president of Gary Shaw Productions. "This has 'Fight of the Year' written all over it and I'm very proud to be associated with it."

"Marquez and Lopez are both big punchers," said Fernando Beltran, president of Zanfer Promotions in México. "They can trade, deliver big hits and take it. That is what makes this such a big-time fight."

"Lopez vs. Marquez has all the makings of a classic," said Ken Hershman, Executive Vice President and General Manager, SHOWTIME Sports. "The heart, determination and incredible power of Rafael Marquez make him the most formidable opponent in the young and impressive career of JuanMa Lopez. As a fan, I can't wait for Sept. 18. As a television programmer, I know that this matchup delivers on our promise to subscribers-to televise the most competitive, compelling and significant fights in boxing."

Lopez (29-0, 26 KOs), from Caguas, Puerto Rico, returns to Las Vegas for the first time in more than four years. The pride of Puerto Rico and a consensus Top 10 pound-for-pound fighter has won 16 of his previous 17 fights by knockout. He earned his first world title by knocking out defending WBO junior featherweight champion Daniel Ponce De Leon in the first round of their June 2008 fight. After five successful title defenses - four by knockout - he vacated the title and successfully challenged WBO featherweight champion Steven Luevano, stopping him in the seventh round, on January 28, at Madison Square Garden. In his last fight, Juanma successfully defended his featherweight crown with an exciting second-round TKO of the Manny Pacquiao-managed contender Bernabe Concepcion on July 10 in Puerto Rico.

Marquez (39-5, 35 KOs), of México City, also makes his first visit to the Entertainment Capital of the World since 2006. Already the author of a first-ballot Hall of Fame career, Marquez boasts victories over world champions Tim Austin, Israel Vazquez (2), Mauricio Pastrana (2) and Mark Johnson (2). Marquez captured the International Boxing Federation (IBF) bantamweight title in 2003, knocking out undefeated defending champion Tim Austin in the eighth round and ending his six-year title reign. Marquez successfully defended the title seven times before vacating it in March 2007 to challenge World Boxing Council (WBC) super bantamweight champion Israel Vazquez, winning the title via a brutal seventh-round stoppage, beginning one of this era's most exciting rivalries. The second and third installments, both won by Vazquez, were named Fight of the Year in 2007 and 2008, respectively, by The Ring. Marquez evened up their historic series on May 22 with a third-round knockout victory, the first to be fought at featherweight.
 
Talk about an Arum conspiracy, Celestino Caballero has been frozen out of the action for purely promotional reasons. Maybe Arum really does try to keep the bruthas down. Outside of that, Juanma Lopez is overhyped and being matched deceptively carefully. I see Rafael Marquez and Israel Vasquez as ground meat and Juanma should be able to knock out Marquez. However, Lopez does tend to get dropped and rocked by guys that shouldn't be able to do these things to him. I don't think it'll be a classic for more than one fight. I don't think Marquez has too many classics left in him.
 
You don't think Gamboa is overhyped? Dude has like 17 fights and been dropped more than Juanma, AND he has yet to fight anything resembling a contender, but people are calling him the future p4p. I don't see one name on his record that I recognize.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat=boxer&human_id=391770

Caballero imho is overrated, I watched dude fight twice already and I see him as the Paul Williams of the lower weight classes. Lots of holes that a good young fighter will expose. Juanma>Caballero.

Juanma on the other hand has a few notable names on his record at least.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=291928&cat=boxer

Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion are all better known than anyone Caballero or Gamboa have fought. Caballero has fought DeLeon and Molitor. It took Caballero 12 rounds to beat Ponce DeLeon, it took Juanma 1. AND DAMN!! Homie is already 34?!?! You MUST be Panamanian huh Zef? :lol:
 
You don't think Gamboa is overhyped? Dude has like 17 fights and been dropped more than Juanma, AND he has yet to fight anything resembling a contender, but people are calling him the future p4p. I don't see one name on his record that I recognize.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat=boxer&human_id=391770

Caballero imho is overrated, I watched dude fight twice already and I see him as the Paul Williams of the lower weight classes. Lots of holes that a good young fighter will expose. Juanma>Caballero.

Juanma on the other hand has a few notable names on his record at least.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=291928&cat=boxer

Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion are all better known than anyone Caballero or Gamboa have fought. Caballero has fought DeLeon and Molitor. It took Caballero 12 rounds to beat Ponce DeLeon, it took Juanma 1. AND DAMN!! Homie is already 34?!?! You MUST be Panamanian huh Zef? :lol:

Yeah, Gamboa is overhyped too but we were talking about Juanma. Regarding Juanma, yeah he kayoed Ponce De Leon after Caballero beat him down to the body for 12 rounds, dropped him, and gave him his first defeat. By the time Gamboa got to him it was several fights later in a very rocky comeback and even the smaller Gerry Penalosa rocked him. But you're analogy's ridiculous anyway because it's like trying to say Oscar de la Hoya was a bigger puncher than Felix Trinidad because he knocked out Fernando Vargas and Ricardo Mayorga quicker than Trinidad did. Yeah DLH knocked them out quicker, but only after Trinidad got them first and beat the holy hell out of them. Same with Nate Campbell beating the hell out of Juan Diaz and Marquez putting on the finishing touches.

Also, regarding Caballero, he unified titles at 126lbs by going into enemy territory on both occasions and convincingly knocking out two champions to take their titles. I give tremendous credit to guys that win titles that way just like when Mayorga unified by KO against Lewis and Forrest. Caballero was ducked by Juanma and that would have been an awesome fight no matter how you try to downgrade it or make excuses for why Juanma didn't fight him. You're a boxing fan, you should want to see great fights regardless of your nationality. If Caballero is so easy, let them fight it out. It would be an easy win for Juanma, right? You're trying to make this into some kind of inter-latino race war or something and you really need to get off of that. I supposes you are Puerto Rican and if you feel I have somehow offended your people, I am sorry. All I am talking about is boxing.
 
Yeah, I saw the fight in Thailand against a guy I never heard of, he ko'd him in 3, ok, impressive. But he was ko'd by Rojas and beaten decisively by Cordoba. And again, you miss the fact that Gamboa and Lopez is the fight everyone wants to see, they are both controlled by guess who? Bob Arum. You really think Arum is gonna jeopardize what is a long awaited matchup by putting Lopez in with a guy like Caballero, who the public has never heard of and who he doesn't control as well. Hell this might all be a moot point. Juanma makes defensive mistakes and Marquez is a pinpoint puncher, there is no guarantee Juanma will win.
And Mayorga was and is a bum, So was Six Heads Lewis, I was impressed by the way his style fucked with Vernon but Ricky got a gift in the rematch.
Regardless though, I don't see anything in Caballero, other than his arm length and jab(he tends to wing his punches and leave himself open) that can give Juanma trouble, not saying he's not a good fighter, just saying he's nothing special, the guy is five eleven fighting with midgets basically. Just my opinion though. Also, I think the most talented dues in the division is Guillermo Rigondeaux anyway.
 
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If this isn't a classic I'd be shocked. HBO missed the boat huge on this.
Arum's a fucking genius (he's still the Devil, though). This could be Lopez coming out fight, similar to Pacquiao's first beating of Barrera, or this will finally be the fight that makes Marquez an outside-boxing-hardcore celebrity (which is hard to do on Showtime).
 
Zef you for damn sure might be in the running for most hated poster on bgol! Even when u make a good point it gets shit on! :lol:

Anyway, this is definitely good match making from Juanma's side. While I believe Marguez has some life in him, I actually view this as similar to the last Morales / Manny fight. ( first and last reference to Dude I swear! :lol:) Marguez has had too many wars and this fight I believe it catches up to him. I also feel like Juanma's people see this too and view this as his coming out party. A big name albeit a damaged one can do a career profile a world of good. Plus I see this as a way for them to get some seperation between him and Gamboa in terms of career pedigree. Dude has no name even close to Marquez on his ledger...
 
Zef you for damn sure might be in the running for most hated poster on bgol! Even when u make a good point it gets shit on! :lol:

Anyway, this is definitely good match making from Juanma's side. While I believe Marguez has some life in him, I actually view this as similar to the last Morales / Manny fight. ( first and last reference to Dude I swear! :lol:) Marguez has had too many wars and this fight I believe it catches up to him. I also feel like Juanma's people see this too and view this as his coming out party. A big name albeit a damaged one can do a career profile a world of good. Plus I see this as a way for them to get some seperation between him and Gamboa in terms of career pedigree. Dude has no name even close to Marquez on his ledger...

Possibly Marquez has been through too many wars. He had a war with big tim Austin to win his belt, 3 and a half wars with Vazquez, though that last fight was pretty one sided and Marquez punching looked as sharp as ever I have to say. I think the size and punching power disparity is what is possibly going to kill Marquez in this fight. If not, Juanma makes many exploitable defensive mistakes and Rafael is just half a notch below his brother in terms of accurate counterpunching. I look for Marquez to drop Juanma early and for Juanma's power and size advantages to take over from the fourth round on. Since I tend to favor underdogs anyway though, I wouldn't be mad at all if Marquez won, dude has been a fine champ and deserves his time in the limelight.

On another note, as I was telling Zef before, I don't think either Caballero nor Juanma or Gamboa will be the dudes in this division, check out my Cuban dude Guillermo Rigondeaux right here, beastly power to the body and Kid Gavilan-like defense, also a 2 time gold medalist for Cuba, dude is serious business!!:yes:


 
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Rigonbeaux, hmmmm?

This is the problem with their only being one major outlet for boxing (HBO), they can't cover everyone. ESPN has more reach than Showtime but boxing is relegated to Friday nights and that's it. Boxing news only beats out MMA news when it comes to coverage. Shit, MMA has a number of channels from Spike to Versus that cover that sport.
 
Zef you for damn sure might be in the running for most hated poster on bgol! Even when u make a good point it gets shit on! :lol:

Anyway, this is definitely good match making from Juanma's side. While I believe Marguez has some life in him, I actually view this as similar to the last Morales / Manny fight. ( first and last reference to Dude I swear! :lol:) Marguez has had too many wars and this fight I believe it catches up to him. I also feel like Juanma's people see this too and view this as his coming out party. A big name albeit a damaged one can do a career profile a world of good. Plus I see this as a way for them to get some seperation between him and Gamboa in terms of career pedigree. Dude has no name even close to Marquez on his ledger...

:lol: I really don't care though because I'm just posting what comes to mind freely without thinking of any repercussions. I see message boards as a way to just "let it out". However, I have noticed that no matter what I write, some guys just get pissed off or find a way to disagree or as you say to shit on it. Some of these same guys then turn around and say pretty much the exact same thing that I said in a different way. I was tempted to point that out with an example but I said "fuck it", it's just a message board. For me, the moment I take it too seriously it ceases to be fun.
 
I don't think Caballero will be the future of the division simply because he is too old and he is being frozen out of the picture. Some consistency is needed here. I notice in the Pac-Mayweather thread it's argued vehemently with fury that Arum is the devil and he's stopping fights from getting made, et. The same thing has happened to Caballero. Juanma and Gamboa have been protected from this guy and one can just google their names to see an abundance of press regarding this. Am I saying Caballero is the next Ray Robinson? No. But the guy is very physically and stylistically awkward for anyone in the division. Although he appears to box down to the level of his comp (see the Lacierva fight), he steps up tremendously when it matters (see shellacking of undefeated Ponce de Leon, 3 round destruction and the first to KO champ Somsak Sithchatchawal, 4 round destruction and the first to KO champ Steve Molitor).

Regardless, I think Rigondeaux is flashy and powerful but left hand crazy, very one armed. Also, there have also been rumors of training deficiencies with him as far as attitude etc. Most Cuban prospects seem like gold when they get to the U.S but very few meet those expectations for whatever reasons. I don't think Rigondeaux will be the future of the division.

I think Juanma is too chinny to be the future of the division and few great fighters struggle with bums early in their career like Juanma did with Mtagawa. However, Juanma has shown a lot of heart and even Miguel Cotto got badly hurt by the extremely bummish Demarcus Corley. So I could be wrong but that's just my opinion dammit! lol

Gamboa, if anyone is the future of the division, it's probably him. To me, he's like what people falsely accuse Roy Jones of, just being some fast and athletic guy with no technique. I think Gamboa is obviously very fast and is an athletic dynamo but he relies on this much more than technique and is not using these dotes in a scientific way like Jones did. That's why Gamboa has been clipped and dropped a few times by bums already and if he doesn't knock a guy out after a certain point in the fight, he seems to lose creativity and tends to do the same thing over and over.

I would just like to say that this post is not meant to indicate that I hate Puerto Ricans, Jews, Panamanians, Cubans, etc
 
I don't think Caballero will be the future of the division simply because he is too old and he is being frozen out of the picture. Some consistency is needed here. I notice in the Pac-Mayweather thread it's argued vehemently with fury that Arum is the devil and he's stopping fights from getting made, et. The same thing has happened to Caballero. Juanma and Gamboa have been protected from this guy and one can just google their names to see an abundance of press regarding this. Am I saying Caballero is the next Ray Robinson? No. But the guy is very physically and stylistically awkward for anyone in the division. Although he appears to box down to the level of his comp (see the Lacierva fight), he steps up tremendously when it matters (see shellacking of undefeated Ponce de Leon, 3 round destruction and the first to KO champ Somsak Sithchatchawal, 4 round destruction and the first to KO champ Steve Molitor).

Regardless, I think Rigondeaux is flashy and powerful but left hand crazy, very one armed. Also, there have also been rumors of training deficiencies with him as far as attitude etc. Most Cuban prospects seem like gold when they get to the U.S but very few meet those expectations for whatever reasons. I don't think Rigondeaux will be the future of the division.

I think Juanma is too chinny to be the future of the division and few great fighters struggle with bums early in their career like Juanma did with Mtagawa. However, Juanma has shown a lot of heart and even Miguel Cotto got badly hurt by the extremely bummish Demarcus Corley. So I could be wrong but that's just my opinion dammit! lol

Gamboa, if anyone is the future of the division, it's probably him. To me, he's like what people falsely accuse Roy Jones of, just being some fast and athletic guy with no technique. I think Gamboa is obviously very fast and is an athletic dynamo but he relies on this much more than technique and is not using these dotes in a scientific way like Jones did. That's why Gamboa has been clipped and dropped a few times by bums already and if he doesn't knock a guy out after a certain point in the fight, he seems to lose creativity and tends to do the same thing over and over.

I would just like to say that this post is not meant to indicate that I hate Puerto Ricans, Jews, Panamanians, Cubans, et
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Agree with all this.

And for the record didn't I offer an apology to you in the other thread.:confused:
 
Agree with all this.

And for the record didn't I offer an apology to you in the other thread.:confused:



You did but that's how it is.

I'm still disappointed (for myself mostly but also for these fighters who should be able to display their talents on the biggest possible stage) that HBO, who will have first dibs on a possible Lopez-Gamboa fight won't be telecasting this one. A classic with Lopez winning on their network gives him much more momentum than the same result on Showtime. Some of their decisions are highly questionable.
 
Agree with all this.

And for the record didn't I offer an apology to you in the other thread.:confused:

Fuck that.... He has a problem with black people and I know how he'll try to flip this into some Floyd shit, but he has said some slick shit about blacks.

He deserves no apologies.
 
Fuck that.... He has a problem with black people and I know how he'll try to flip this into some Floyd shit, but he has said some slick shit about blacks.

He deserves no apologies.

:lol: I have said some shit about blacks? Be more specific. Do something different for a change, provide evidence to back up your allegations.
 
Fuck that.... He has a problem with black people and I know how he'll try to flip this into some Floyd shit, but he has said some slick shit about blacks.

He deserves no apologies.

Hold on, I swear I've seen a pic of this ninja somewhere and he looked black to me. Post proof Alaskan, I wanna see. Damm Zef, you are fast becoming the Blunt of the boxing threads homie.:smh::lol:
 
Hold on, I swear I've seen a pic of this ninja somewhere and he looked black to me. Post proof Alaskan, I wanna see. Damm Zef, you are fast becoming the Blunt of the boxing threads homie.:smh::lol:

:lol: I am black. Wait a minute, I forgot that even if you look like Edison Miranda as long as you speak Spanish you're not black. I guess I'm not black anymore. But then if I say I'm not black, then it'll be "he knows he's got black in him, he's ashamed of his blackness like the Dominicans." You just can't win.:lol:
 
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Hold on, I swear I've seen a pic of this ninja somewhere and he looked black to me. Post proof Alaskan, I wanna see. Damm Zef, you are fast becoming the Blunt of the boxing threads homie.:smh::lol:

I posted his pic. He look like an old ass Mayorga except his face looks like a wrinkled shirt.

You don't remember when him and that faggot Lupe were on that N igger logic shit. I called that faggot Lupe out cause he was talking about putting n iggers in the field and this motherfucker, Zef was defending that shit. I knew Lupe wasn't black and figured the same of Zef cause black people don't co sign shit like that, of course I was right. When Lupe disappear Zef would only make mocking comments about "holding bruthas down" and shit like that but I would have go back almost a year to find the quotes of his faggot ass shit.

Fuck em both is my policy.

*Correction the other faggots name was lower nupe.
 
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I posted his pic. He look like an old ass Mayorga except his face looks like a wrinkled shirt.

You don't remember when him and that faggot Lupe were on that N igger logic shit. I called that faggot Lupe out cause he was talking about putting n iggers in the field and this motherfucker, Zef was defending that shit. I knew Lupe wasn't black and figured the same of Zef cause black people don't co sign shit like that, of course I was right. When Lupe disappear Zef would only make mocking comments about "holding bruthas down" and shit like that but I would have go back almost a year to find the quotes of his faggot ass shit.

Fuck em both is my policy.

Yeah, no quotes just like I expected. You're full of shit once again. Keep it moving. You're also naive to even think that's my real picture. You have absolutely no idea of what a Zeferino is or what the concept is. You probably watch Naked Gun movies and think they're documentaries.
 
I posted his pic. He look like an old ass Mayorga except his face looks like a wrinkled shirt.

You don't remember when him and that faggot Lupe were on that N igger logic shit. I called that faggot Lupe out cause he was talking about putting n iggers in the field and this motherfucker, Zef was defending that shit. I knew Lupe wasn't black and figured the same of Zef cause black people don't co sign shit like that, of course I was right. When Lupe disappear Zef would only make mocking comments about "holding bruthas down" and shit like that but I would have go back almost a year to find the quotes of his faggot ass shit.

Fuck em both is my policy.

*Correction the other faggots name was lower nupe.

Okay, now I remember that shit, don't remember what specific thread it was but I remember ya'll goin back and forth about that shit.

Yeah, no quotes just like I expected. You're full of shit once again. Keep it moving. You're also naive to even think that's my real picture. You have absolutely no idea of what a Zeferino is or what the concept is. You probably watch Naked Gun movies and think they're documentaries.

MMA DP's, that's all I have to say.:hmm:
 
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