Jon Wick vs. The Equalizer

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Is there any comparison?

Question 1.
Who would win in a fight Jon Wick or the Equalizer?

Question 2.
Which movie franchise was better?
 
Robert McCall is definitely more realistic as an "ex-problem solver" for the government.​
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But I'm sorry...
McCall ain't gonna beat "The Baba Yaga." (The one you call to kill The Boogey Man)

And while I throughly enjoyed the 1st Equalizer movie, the John Wick series is ultimately more satisfying for me because they're 4 films about 1 man's revenge and him seeking escape & closure.

Lastly, I've yet to see any part of the Equalizer series that matches the sheer emotional fury of this one scene from the 1st John Wick film...

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1) If you allowed a long lead time before they started fighting, I'd go with Equalizer. If it was out the blue, John Wick.

2) The first 2 movies were even to me. Wick II has an slight edge over Equalizer II. I haven't decided yet on the Wick III vs Equalizer III
I can dig it. One of the things that
Robert McCall is definitely more realistic as an "ex-problem solver" for the government.​
original.jpg

But I'm sorry...
McCall ain't gonna beat "The Baba Yaga." (The one you call to kill The Boogey Man)

And while I throughly enjoyed the 1st Equalizer movie, the John Wick series is ultimately more satisfying for me because they're 4 films about 1 man's revenge and him seeking escape & closure.

Lastly, I've yet to see any part of the Equalizer series that matches the sheer emotional fury of this one scene from the 1st John Wick film...

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

I dunno. Mcall is a lot more tactical--i.e., he's better at predicting his opponents' movements, and he's better at using his environment to his advantage than Wick. Lastly, is there any doubt that if McCall disarmed Wick it wouldn't be a close fight: McCall would wipe the floor with Wick.
 
I can dig it. One of the things that

I dunno. Mcall is a lot more tactical--i.e., he's better at predicting his opponents' movements, and he's better at using his environment to his advantage than Wick. Lastly, is there any doubt that if McCall disarmed Wick it wouldn't be a close fight: McCall would wipe the floor with Wick.

Interesting you keep saying Wick can't fight hand to hand as good as McCall.

Why are so certain about that?
 
Fellas debate and consider their ability, reputation, and tactical skills, not the quality of the films.
As a go-to watch, I'm team JW all day without question, but McCall is way more skilled killer than JW.
 
Im going off Mcall's skills: Because Mcall didn't use a gun to kill till the Equalizer 2. And even then he didn't kill his op with it, he used a knife.

Understood, but I don't feel like because Wick uses a gun (in an unrivaled way) that it somehow diminishes his hand to hand skills or exposes a weakness.

We seen ENOUGH of Wick killing dudes with a book, a horse and nun chucks to believe anything is weapon in his hands. Including his own hands.
 
Fellas debate and consider their ability, reputation, and tactical skills, not the quality of the films.
As a go-to watch, I'm team JW all day without question, but McCall is way more skilled killer than JW.

That's interesting.

Or saying that because of he TALKS more? Because we are allowed to actually experience his brilliance in real time? He plans and announced his actions?

I'm just curious how you are defining more skilled killer?
 
That's interesting.

Or saying that because of he TALKS more? Because we are allowed to actually experience his brilliance in real time? He plans and announced his actions?

I'm just curious how you are defining more skilled killer?

JW is a gunslinger and a brawler whose drive for the mission is relentless because emotions, rage, and anger lead him. As such, he is prone and open to making careless mistakes as he does not meticulously think through dangerous situations. His stubbornness is what fuels his victories. On the other hand, when you look at RM, he is a thinker who can take out an entire room based on critical situational analysis of what can be used to secure his victory. He is the ghost that kills you without you knowing he was there, and even if you do, you're too slow to react to it. JW has yet to demonstrate this ability. Also, let's consider the ages of both of these killers. JW is five years into retirement and, by all metrics, still is very much someone who can jump back into the game at will (as proven by the movie). Now, when you consider JW, he is basically into his senior retirement age with quickness and precision rivaling most opponents he faces. Imagine if he was 25 years younger. The speed at which he can kill is exceedingly more incredible and efficient. Hence the reason he times himself and is slightly disappointed that his killing time is increasing with each passing kill. To me, this communicates that this man was once untouchable. JW has never taken out a room without his gun. RM has done it multiple times.

My dos pesos.
 
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JW is a gunslinger and a brawler whose drive for the mission is relentless because emotions, rage, and anger lead him. As such, he is prone and open to making careless mistakes as he does not meticulously think through dangerous situations. His stubbornness is what fuels his victories. On the other hand, when you look at RM, he is a thinker who can take out an entire room based on critical situational analysis of what can be used to secure his victory. He is the ghost that kills you without you knowing he was there, and even if you do, you're too slow to react to it. JW has yet to demonstrate this ability. Also, let's consider the ages of both of these killers. JW is five years into retirement and, by all metrics, still is very much someone who can jump back into the game at will (as proven by the movie). Now, when you consider JW, he is basically into his senior retirement age with quickness and precision rivaling most opponents he faces. Imagine if he was 25 years younger. The speed at which he can kill is exceedingly more incredible and efficient. Hence the reason he times himself and is slightly disappointed that his killing time is increasing with each passing kill. To me, this communicates that this man was once untouchable. JW has never taken out a room without his gun. RM has done it multiple times.

My dos pesos.

I got confused with the JW retirement part.
 

I watched the first YouTube video you posted, and all I could think was look how inefficient most of those kills were. Sure, maybe one on one he's a decent fighter. And maybe he can fight more than one guy at a time as long as they don't attack him all at once. But he's not gonna walk into a room with 5 armed Russians, calculate how many seconds it will take to kill them, then kill them while he's unarmed like McCall.
 
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I watched the first YouTube video you posted, and all I could think was look how inefficient most of those kills were. Sure, maybe one on one he's a decent fighter. And maybe he can fight more than one guy at a time as long as they don't attack him all at once. But he's not gonna walk into a room with 5 armed Russians, calculate how many seconds it will take to kill them, then kill them while he's unarmed like McCall.



I agree.
John gets results, but IMO, it's sloppy. They both achieve the desired results but in very different ways.

@playahaitian Imagine a fully active, younger, faster, stronger McCall going up against JW.
Calculating the time it takes for him to kill enemy opponents greatly alludes to his efficiency.
 
I agree.
John gets results, but IMO, it's sloppy. They both achieve the desired results but in very different ways.

@playahaitian Imagine a fully active, younger, faster, stronger McCall going up against JW.
Calculating the time it takes for him to kill enemy opponents greatly alludes to his efficiency.

Okay.

But we can't do that with this exercise

It's as is.

Cause what if the next season of the Continental is a young John wick shown without guns killing rooms full of dudes for 3 episodes

Would that change your stance?

As the writer it can be what we want.
 
I agree.
John gets results, but IMO, it's sloppy. They both achieve the desired results but in very different ways.

@playahaitian Imagine a fully active, younger, faster, stronger McCall going up against JW.
Calculating the time it takes for him to kill enemy opponents greatly alludes to his efficiency.

To be clear I don't know the answer to this. It's very Hulk v. Thing.

McCall is damn near Batman with prep time in every situation damn it he is actually Midnighter.

I could argue Wick inhuman stamina and complete unpredictable ferocity might baffle McCall because in his entire career he ain't never seem that type of fighter. Especially when motivated.

Wick has fought fellow highly trained master assassins... an army of them

On horseback in cars with dogs etc

I ain't seen McCall do that.
 
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I mean you can't compare the characters really.

McCall is way more realistic, he uses his brain ans finds weak spots to exploit to win conflicts.

Wick's suit is bulletproof, he falls off tall buildings and gets up, gets hit by cars in the streets and walks it off, he never gets tired or hurt...

Either way, I like The Equalizer's style better. The movies too.
 
Don't forget, Wick killed a man with a pencil!! The Baba Yaga! LOL What's his kill count? 439!

McCall wins this one. He's way more efficient! Dude went the fuck off in Equalizer 3. Wick is more cartoonish with literally 100's of hitmen coming after him and he damn near kills them all? LMAO!
 
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Okay.

But we can't do that with this exercise

It's as is.

Cause what if the next season of the Continental is a young John wick shown without guns killing rooms full of dudes for 3 episodes

Would that change your stance?

As the writer it can be what we want.

Hmmm.... You've piqued my interest.
Let's see if they make him a bit more refined (that's if he appears)
Time will tell.

To be clear I don't know the answer to this. It's very Hulk v. Thing.

McCall is damn near Batman with prep time in ever situation damn it he is actually Midnighter.

I could argue Wick inhuman stamina and complete unpredictable ferocity might baffle McCall because in his entire career he ain't never seem that type of fighter. Especially when motivated.

Wick has fought fellow highly trained master assassins... an army of them

On horseback in cars with dogs etc

I ain't seen McCall do that.

Touchè.
 
The fact that Keanu trains with the stunt team for months to actually be able to do the actions scenes gives Jon Wick the edge.

 
You're suggesting that Keanu is a better actor than Denzel? Good luck with that.
Not at all.
Keanu does a better job at the Job Wick character than Denzel with the Rob Equalizer character. But of course Denzel is the better overall actor.

And his character from Man Under Fire would smack the shit outta both of em.
 
Not at all.
Keanu does a better job at the Job Wick character than Denzel with the Rob Equalizer character. But of course Denzel is the better overall actor.

And his character from Man on Fire would smack the shit outta both of em.
While I don't think John Creasy would beat Wick or the Equalizer, that character has made more of an impact on me than both of them put together. I think Denzel as John Creasy was a much more compelling performance.

Sticking to the thread, I give Wick the edge. Both are excellent hand-to-hand combatants but Wick has demonstrated more versatility in situations against hardcore killers than Robert McCall has. John has the "best of the best" out trying to kill him. Robert has mostly taken out "tough dudes" that don't have anywhere near the training that he does. (I haven't seen the third movie yet, so I'm going off 1 and 2). Wick lives in a world of assassins. McCall fights organized and unorganized crime families.
Its easy to win when you are the baddest dude in the room like Robert is. Its much more to overcome when you are supposed to be the best but others round you have just as much training.

An MMA fighter may kick the shit out of a few football players and their buddies at a bar, but a fight with another skilled MMA fighter presents a whole different level of challenges.

Even though I liked Denzel better as John Creasy, his performance as Robert McCall has been excellent and Keanu isn't 1/10th of the actor Denzel is.
 
While I don't think John Creasy would beat Wick or the Equalizer, that character has made more of an impact on me than both of them put together. I think Denzel as John Creasy was a much more compelling performance.

Sticking to the thread, I give Wick the edge. Both are excellent hand-to-hand combatants but Wick has demonstrated more versatility in situations against hardcore killers than Robert McCall has. John has the "best of the best" out trying to kill him. Robert has mostly taken out "tough dudes" that don't have anywhere near the training that he does. (I haven't seen the third movie yet, so I'm going off 1 and 2). Wick lives in a world of assassins. McCall fights organized and unorganized crime families.
Its easy to win when you are the baddest dude in the room like Robert is. Its much more to overcome when you are supposed to be the best but others round you have just as much training.

An MMA fighter may kick the shit out of a few football players and their buddies at a bar, but a fight with another skilled MMA fighter presents a whole different level of challenges.

Even though I liked Denzel better as John Creasy, his performance as Robert McCall has been excellent and Keanu isn't 1/10th of the actor Denzel is.

Agreed
 
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