Exactly. These characters on BGOL have NO self awareness at most times lol.Sounding just like the cave man you claim to hate.![]()
He didn't even realize that's the #1 excuse cacs use when we discuss reparations.
#pitiful
Exactly. These characters on BGOL have NO self awareness at most times lol.Sounding just like the cave man you claim to hate.![]()
I'm sure their are many
other things that "people
are being punished for" that
you won't say shit about.
Sounding just like the cave man you claim to hate.![]()
I got no dog in this fight. If I have to pay $40 extra on my mortgage to help poor people, I'm not gonna riot in the streets over it when we're all paying to subsidize the war in Ukraine and upcharges on everything we eat. I chalk it up as the cost of doing business in the USA. I'll focus on ways to get my $40 back under the table.
Good point. I may have more to say if I were beginning a 30 year mortgage. Ironically enough, a new government policy allowed me to pay my house off 15 years early!That's an extra $14,400 over the life of a 30 year mortgage.
So what's the verdict? Is all the right-wing outlets correct with this"New Biden Rule" that punishes buyers with good credit or is it just another lie being told by conservative outlets to scare people?
Feel free to ring in on the conversation...
Did you bother to actually read the article?
Did you bother to actually read the article?
"The fury is over the way the government tweaked its mortgage-fees structure, and, indeed, prospective buyers should note that some people with higher credit scores could ultimately pay more, while some with lower credit scores could pay less. "
Did you bother to actually read the article?
"The fury is over the way the government tweaked its mortgage-fees structure, and, indeed, prospective buyers should note that some people with higher credit scores could ultimately pay more, while some with lower credit scores could pay less. "
So glad you read it. Now why should anyone with a higher credit score pay a higher fee? Under any circumstances?Yeah I read it.
Did you?
I see you conveintly didn't quote the next sentence...
"But other borrowers with high credit scores could also end up paying less—and will never pay more than the borrowers with lower scores."
So glad you read it. Now why should anyone with a higher credit score pay a higher fee? Under any circumstances?
That’s cool but, if this true why do people with good credit and down payments have to suffer? I don’t get it. Somebody gotta explain that part to me cause if that part is factual, fuck this rule change.
OK, I see I thought this somehow applied to mortgages across the board, I didn't realize this was just within the FHA program. OK that makes sense now. Yeah it's all being subsidized. I thought somebody that didn't need FHA was paying some sort of penalty. That's what I was tripping on.No one is being punished, if you have a 780 or higher credit score in all but one scenario, your LLPA will either be the same or go DOWN.
Keep in mind that without the government involvement in making homes affordable, buying a home would be like it was a hundred years ago when 1 in 10 Americans owned a home and home loans required a 50% down payment, 5 year terms, and a balloon payment at the end.
People who have low credit scores but are somehow able to afford a house under those terms are paying a fee so that everyone bitching about this can afford their first home.
Bottom line, if you were not financially able to buy your first home with 50% down paid in five years, you have no right to complain since others were charged a fee to help YOU buy a home.
OK, I see I thought this somehow applied to mortgages across the board, I didn't realize this was just within the FHA program. OK that makes sense now. Yeah it's all being subsidized. I thought somebody that didn't need FHA was paying some sort of penalty. That's what I was tripping on.
False. There are several scenarios where you will pay more based on credit score.No one is being punished, if you have a 780 or higher credit score in all but one scenario, your LLPA will either be the same or go DOWN.
Keep in mind that without the government involvement in making homes affordable, buying a home would be like it was a hundred years ago when 1 in 10 Americans owned a home and home loans required a 50% down payment, 5 year terms, and a balloon payment at the end.
People who have low credit scores but are somehow able to afford a house under those terms are paying a fee so that everyone bitching about this can afford their first home.
Bottom line, if you were not financially able to buy your first home with 50% down paid in five years, you have no right to complain since others were charged a fee to help YOU buy a home.
False. There are several scenarios where you will pay more based on credit score.
No there aren't.
80.01-85.00% LTV Range is the only one that increases for 780 and up.
Old
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New
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Negative is a fee increase, positive is a fee decrease.
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Can’t do an exact apples to apples since the old chart doesn’t have 780 or greater. But a credit score of 780 or greater would’ve been treated the same as a credit score of 740 or greater in the old chart. They added more credit ranges in the new chart. Here is what we have:
OLD Table: 740 or greater:
LTV 85.01-90% LLPA is .25%
NEW Table: 740-759
LTV 85.01-90% LLPA is .75%
So according to the charts, if you had a 740 credit score you paid .25% the old way. With the new way, if you have a 740 credit score you pay.75%
OLD Table
760-779 (which would be included in 740 & above)
LTV RANGE 85.01-90% LLPA is .25%
NEW Table
760-779 LTV RANGE 85.01-90% LLPA is .500%
Under the old chart, credit score of 760-779 would still pay .25%, with the new chart, they pay .500%
OLD Table (740 or greater)
80.01-.85% LLPA is .250%
NEW Table (740-759)
80.01-.85% LLPA is 1.000%
Under the old chart you’d pay .250%, with the new chart you pay 1.000%
So that’s multiple scenarios right there where you’re paying a higher LLPA when your credit score increases compared to the old way and I didn’t even count them all. A 740 credit score now pays more with the new changes across almost every LTV range compared to the old chart. They effectively raised the LLPA fees for credit scores 740 and above and created extra credit score ranges to do so. I don’t mind fees being reduced for everybody, but it seems backwards to charge some people higher fees based on a higher credit score.
Thompson noted that fees would increase for buyers in some categories and decrease for those in others, but that "[t]he updated fees, as was true of the prior fees, generally increase as credit scores decrease for any given level of down payment." We looked into some test cases.
- Higher-credit-score borrowers are not being charged more so that lower-credit-score borrowers can pay less. The updated fees, as was true of the prior fees, generally increase as credit scores decrease for any given level of down payment.
- Some updated fees […] do not represent pure decreases for high-risk borrowers or pure increases for low-risk borrowers. Many borrowers with high credit scores or large down payments will see their fees decrease or remain flat.
- The new framework does not provide incentives for a borrower to make a lower down payment to benefit from lower fees. Borrowers making a down payment smaller than 20 percent of the home's value typically pay mortgage insurance premiums, so these must be added to the fees charged by the Enterprises when considering a borrower's total costs.
- The targeted eliminations of upfront fees for borrowers with lower incomes – not lower credit scores – primarily are supported by the higher fees on products such as second homes and cash-out refinances.
- The changes to the pricing framework were not designed to stimulate mortgage demand.
See Fannie Mae's Loan-Level Price Adjustment Matrix for a breakdown of real-world pricing scenarios across a range of credit scores and other factors.The fee will still cost the home buyer with the lower credit score more. A buyer with a 640 credit score and an 80% loan-to-value ratio will have a fee of 2.25%, while a buyer with a 740 score will have a fee of 0.875%. The difference in assessed fees is about $4,000 more for a buyer with a 640 credit score than for a buyer with a 740 credit score, based on a $300,000 mortgage.