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Although this last one wasn’t that bad. I mean some of those bitches shouldn’t have been on there. But it wasn’t as bad though…
Nah I could name probably 50 off the top of my head
And pusha doesn’t have an album where it’s considered a classic. No way you can be in top 35 without at least 1 classic album. That’s another problem with these list. Mofos should have great classic material just to be even considered…
They are all inherently bad because none of these publications have good intentions
Its deliberate
They never cover veteran rappers for positive reasons
It's either scandal crime or death or these lists.
They are incapable unwilling and uneducated when attempting to these rankings
I understand hip hop.loves to compare itself to a sport and competitive yadda yadda
But this ain't that.
Because we called biggie king of NY didn't mean everyone else sucked.
Tell me one positive about these lists besides an opportunity to sh*t on other artists.
This ain't friendly barbershop debate
People ain't rushing out to buy the old music.
It just breeds negatively in the end.
All that being said the right people COULD probably do this right.
But if you don't start with love and admiration and a smile?
It's just a mess.
And honestly an impossible task
Sidebar...
They need to do these with white rock and roll and country artists.
All true. I redact my statement…
Nah I could name probably 50 off the top of my head
I don't if I agree Push ain't got classics albums...
But again this is all subjective
Because if I say his album was Grammy nominated?
The response is f*ck a Grammy
I say sales?
Sales ain't a real factor.
The clips?
Well thats a group it don't count
See what I mean?
But I don’t think it is impossible task. Remember how I sent you the categories and how to score in each category? It could definitely be done. Obviously be biasness but one could create a scoring system to do it…
I remember
Again they ain't YOU
You actually give a sh*t and put thought and carefulness into it.
Grammy are piece of the pie, no doubt. Just like album sales are a piece. But the issue is people don’t realize that they are just that. Pieces!! And pusha has no albums considered classic
Grammy are piece of the pie, no doubt. Just like album sales are a piece. But the issue is people don’t realize that they are just that. Pieces!! And pusha has no albums considered classic
I belive the Clipse albums, re up gang mix tapes and probably Daytona all count as classics to me.
Off top.
Even based on your own criteria
I feel ya but that’s just not pusha. That’s neptunes as well. And those albums were good but would you really consider them classic?; I mean for me a classic is like priceless or greatness or mind blowing or you are sitting back saying dam how they do that. I don’t know about pusha having that. But he can rap for sure! But rapping ability is just a piece of the pie, to me. There are multiple pieces one should consider to nominate someone as great…
If we start doing that?
Woo boy a whole lot if classics ain't gonna be classics no more.
I challenge folk to go back and listen to a top 20 of certified classic albums and see how they REALLY hold up.
This is ALL subjective as f*ck.
Especially in hip hop
We get older. Get married get divorced have kids.
These artists age and change and then personal history gets involved.
We can try to front but yeah the n words bitches hoes antisemitism abuse drugs does age poorly.
Theat don't mean I don't love 2 live crew no more.
But I'm saying a classic is a classic for a LOT of reasons
And hip hop ages different.
Honestly I still don't like the chronic like that
And I'm a Dre loyalist.
But I think every single Outkast album is undisputed classic even Idlewild.
But they aren't the greatest rap group of all time.
I think every roots album is a classic but same for them. But I think they are so SPECIAL you can't rank them. They they own thing but still pure hip hop.
Rakim as an MC is a classic. Regardless of the album.
I don't think Drake has a "classic" album but he is one of the greatest musical artists of all time period.
I say all that to say hip hop is a tricky genre to rank and label to me.
Shakespeare undisputed classic.
You can't start there then I dismiss you outright.
Now if we doing it by that metric ok.
But then a true hip hop fan could consider the chronic a Shakespeare level of hip hop.
So immediately they would dismiss me.
See?
I don’t think Drake has a classic album either. Scorpio could have been but way too many filler or weak songs. Should have been 12 record album and that would have been classic. Nothing was the same come close though. I wouldn’t say every roots album; and yes all of outlast albums except idelwood
Rakim is a classic MC but that’s just a piece. Rapping ability is not the total pie. You have skills but if you can’t make a record or have no reach now what. Chronic was great; chronic 2000 was great!; for me classics still stand the test of time. Go listen to DOC 1st album. That shir still goes. Or all eyes on me or good kid madd city or only built for Cuban Linx or aquemini or the carter 3 or get rich or die trying or doggystyle or biggie 1st or red man or black album or Kanye 1st 3 or thug motivation or I ain’t no joke or bad or etc etc those albums still go. Classics never die…
I don’t think Drake has a classic album either. Scorpio could have been but way too many filler or weak songs. Should have been 12 record album and that would have been classic. Nothing was the same come close though. I wouldn’t say every roots album; and yes all of outlast albums except idelwood
Like I said - in YOUR OPINION Chronic was great. And all those other you named are classics.
Not necessarily me
(I love chronic 2000 though)
But I'm the type of person who loves to learn so much that I can ACCEPT Chronic is a classic.
That doesn't mean I agree.
But I UNDERSTAND.
And I can have a discussions on the merits etc and then categorize it accordingly.
And I listen to those albums all the time and I never said there are not timeless classics... but consensus is a muthafuka my friend.
ESPECIALLY now
Because now trolling being petty and fake contrarians are accepted.
So real discussion and debate is damn near impossible
Again this is mad subjective
and I can't blame a kid from Brooklyn not approaching ugk
It ain't hate its just regional
It’s definitely harder to have real discussions about anything right now. Everyone either is seeking attention or trying to be a shock jock
shit is mad annoying. And yes i agree it’s my opinion and I’m not one to feel or think my opinion has weight. Just sharing. See I move like just because one has opinion doesn’t make it valid. But majority of people think every single one of their opinions is valid. But I definitely think we could come to some type of consensus regarding classic albums and artist. Maybe not agree on the order though. But ain’t nobody smart putting pusha in top 25 rap artist of all time
A ton of great points made in this thread - props to everyone involved! With that said, this piece stuck out to me as I listen to a ton of stuff that is taboo these days- Niggaz4Life album being a prime example. Yes, the b-side went over the edge, but damn the beats were hot! A-side is probably Dre's best work. But could I play this CD out loud around others? no, which is a shame.
Punks jump up to get beat down? only with my headphones on. And a bunch more. we are in a PC society and those songs/albums won't cut it. Same with movies, tv shows like In Living Color, etc. But they are all 100x better than what is released now
By the way, I, too, feel that Pusha ain't a top 50 rapper, but he is nice.
Lies. Daytona is classic and it’s almost dry is dope as fuckNah I could name probably 50 off the top of my head
It’s definitely harder to have real discussions about anything right now. Everyone either is seeking attention or trying to be a shock jock
Pusha is not.
But he never claimed to be
So see what I mean.
Jim is am all day suckered.
He should grab his balls and blame all the people who actually MADE THE LIST
NOT PUSHA
But he scared to do that.
It's easier lazy and safer to do it THIS way.
Attack the list MAKERS and NOW you making sense.
Pusha is an innocent bystander.
It’s definitely harder to have real discussions about anything right now. Everyone either is seeking attention or trying to be a shock jock
I don't rank mcs like that but Pusha is WAY up there and longevity matters to me.
Also when it comes to coke rap?
Woo boy he might be the best living.
Jim been a sucka but he’s a petty as nigga. And a lot of NY niggas are petty
Longevity is a piece for, another piece of the pie. And my problem with pusha is that’s all he talks; didn’t evolve at all…
^^^^
This could be an hour podcast discussion.
Also the disposable Ness of a lot of modern music specifically hip hop.
Your audience outgrowing you
Artists not maturing.
And young music IS SUPPOSED to sound young and ignorant right?
But that doesn't make it EASIER to listen to
Same as old movies and old TV and old stand up.
But music especially hip hop is so specific to a certain black generational experience...
It's complicated as f*ck
I LOVE coke rap mafia rap etc pusha griselda but I also understand it has its limitations and negatives
And can I listen to THAT music at 65 like I can Fleetwood Mac Prince Stevie Wonder Beatles etc?
Can we even compare those styles of music?
Jim been a sucka but he’s a petty as nigga. And a lot of NY niggas are petty
Yes and us real nyc boys don't subscribe that sh*t
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The publication said the criteria for its rankings included: body of work/achievements (charted singles/albums, gold/platinum certifications, other awards), cultural impact/influence (how the group’s work fostered the genre’s evolution), longevity (years at the mic), lyrics (storytelling skills) and flow (vocal prowess).
“Our definition of groups includes duos, proper groups and more nebulous collectives. Most notably, inclusion on this list is based on the accomplishments of the group as a unit — not what the individuals may have separately accomplished. We tried to walk the line between what constitutes a group versus a collective or a crew, though at times that was not entirely clear,” the publication explained.
The publication said the criteria for its rankings included: body of work/achievements (charted singles/albums, gold/platinum certifications, other awards), cultural impact/influence (how the group’s work fostered the genre’s evolution), longevity (years at the mic), lyrics (storytelling skills) and flow (vocal prowess).
“Our definition of groups includes duos, proper groups and more nebulous collectives. Most notably, inclusion on this list is based on the accomplishments of the group as a unit — not what the individuals may have separately accomplished. We tried to walk the line between what constitutes a group versus a collective or a crew, though at times that was not entirely clear,” the publication explained.
You see the bullsh*t?
Yessss
the first few seconds I was like eh, then when that BASS DROPPED and he started
flowing with the PERSONALS and them shits was HITTIN!!!....
Legit!!!
Crazy how Pusha T is showing him respect by giving him a second chance to quit.
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